[00:10] <Cursarion> err, so, I upgraded firefox, and apparently the new version marks all off my addons as legacy
[00:10] <Cursarion> is there a way to undo that?
[00:11] <Cursarion> also, I read something about an alternative line of firefox that will support addons for longer, is it available in ubuntu?
[00:11] <kenrin> You mean ESR ?  That is only for NPAPI
[00:12] <kenrin> Firefox just re-did their entire addon framework though
[00:14] <capella> Killing XUL
[00:14] <Cursarion> yeah
[00:14] <Cursarion> I should've learned by now to not update firefox by default
[00:15] <kenrin> We'll be seeing a lot more questions when 57 hits and webextension add-ons only
[00:15] <Cursarion> anyway, is there an easy way to reinstall the previous version?
[00:15] <capella> meh, download any of the daily pre-builts back to the dinoasaurs
[00:15] <capella> so, yes
[00:16] <kenrin> You could just install ESR via ppa and have both versions.  Pretty insecure though
[00:16] <capella> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
[00:17] <Cursarion> capella: so no way to do that via apt?
[00:17] <capella> :P Not that I know ...
[00:18] <Cursarion> kenrin: well, upgrading to 55 already broke everything for me. :|
[01:12] <bodangly> I installed cinnamon and most everything seems to work except my laptop's media keys, brightness keys, etc... any ideas?
[01:12] <bodangly> they work fine in GNOME, KDE, etc
[01:13] <bodangly> I did recently uninstall unity, but hadn't tested them in cinnamon before doing so (maybe cinnamon in unity relies on a unity package for those or something?)
[01:13] <xteejx> Q: Not directly Ubuntu related, but the #heroku channel is dead. Been at this for hrs. Does anyone know how to get the Google service account key into heroku, the GOOGLE_APPLICATION_CREDENTIALS env var please?
[01:14] <xteejx> hoping someone here has some experience or suggestions, I guess
[01:14] <craysiii> xteejx you would download the heroku cli and use something like heroku app:config KEY=VALUE...
[01:16] <xteejx> craysiii, tried that, I get this https://pastebin.com/1B8zE3Uh - think the python oauth scripts are looking directly for a json file :(
[01:17] <xteejx> Doesn't help that neither Google nor Heroku have this documented at all. Makes me wonder if it's even possible, although the github author says it is, but I did what he said and no cigar
[01:19] <xteejx> I wonder if it's possible to echo to a file in the bash script, and set the env var to point to the created .json file.... no wait, that requires public visibilty on github. Grr!
[01:20] <xteejx> 2:19am, I'll try again tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion craysiii
[01:24] <xuanrui> Had anyone successfully setup a GTX 960M graphics card to work with Ubuntu 16.04?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Many many have , what is the issue ? What driver and how did you install the driver ?
[01:28] <xuanrui> I installed my drivers from the graphics-drivers/ppa repository
[01:28] <xuanrui> I've tried nvidia-384, nvidia-381 and nvidia-375, and none of them work
[01:28] <xuanrui> (I get a black screen)
[01:29] <xuanrui> And yes, I did disable secure boot and install nvidia-prime
[01:29] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' . See what is installed ( conflicts ?) .
[01:31] <xuanrui> Looks like I forgot to purge primus and bbswitch-dkms from an earlier install
[01:31] <xuanrui> Otherwise I've removed all nvidia packages
[01:31] <xuanrui> I'll purge them and try again with 375
[01:32] <bodangly> anyone have a clue why my media keys + brightness won't work in cinnamon but do in every other DE?
[01:41] <willdeberry> wondering if anyone has seen issues with linksys wusb600n wifi adapters? I can see networks and attempt to connect, provide password but it fails to auth. also doesn't work on open networks
[01:41] <willdeberry> seems to be the rt2870 chipset and goodle seems to be failing me
[02:05] <nine_milli> can anyone help me install ubuntu?
[02:05] <nine_milli> ive been looking for hours but i cant find it on the app store
[02:06] <xuanrui> Bashing-om tried that, didn't work out.
[02:07] <xuanrui> Did you just install drivers from the ppa, or did you have to do something else?
[02:08] <Jordan_U> nine_milli: Trolling is not welcome here. Please join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to discuss your ban.
[02:14] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: I installed from out repo - ' sudo apt update l sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . Witht he PPA enabled I can accept that the 384 version driver ( recommneded )will install . See: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/123103/en-us .
[02:14] <willdeberry> i've tried 2 v1 of the wifi card and a v2 with no luck. i type in the pw and it just spins and eventually fails
[02:17] <willdeberry> dmesg: https://pastebin.com/K0Z0pdtq
[02:27] <xuanrui> Bashing-om hm, not so successful
[02:28] <xuanrui> 384 driver gives me a black screen, for some reason
[02:29] <xuanrui> (or for no reason)
[02:30] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: See what X thinks : cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log . Is the GPU consistent ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[02:30] <xuanrui> Bashing-om we could move to DM, if you would like
[02:31] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Stay in channel .peer review is good .
[02:31] <xuanrui> Sure
[02:33] <xuanrui> I'll have to reinstall my drivers and check the logs. Meanwhile I'll probably have no access to GUI
[02:41] <xuanrui> Bashing-om Xorg.0.log here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380274/
[02:41] <xuanrui> gpu-manager.log here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380276/
[02:43] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: reading.
[02:43] <xuanrui> Thanks.
[02:50] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: " can't access /etc/X11/xorg.conf " In your use case this file is needed . Still to work through all this . -> Regenerating xorg.conf. Path: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; // " Is prime enabled? no : . I see next what X thinks .
[02:52] <xuanrui> Bashing-om I see, so what should I do in this case?
[02:59] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Do not have a suggestion 'til I see what X thinks . I be reading X's log . Be back in a bit .
[03:00] <xuanrui> Sure. Thanks!
[03:05] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Any isea of why X does not see the Intel graphic's chip ?? Strange indeed !
[03:05] <xuanrui> I have no idea
[03:05] <Bashing-om> idea*
[03:06] <xuanrui> But obviously I could use the intel graphics if I don't have any nvidia drivers installed
[03:06] <xuanrui> it says: Intel® HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) in about this computer
[03:14] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: skylake sjould be well supported in 17.04. Bit what does the system see ? Pastebin - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - . See what we can learn here .
[03:15] <xuanrui> Bashing-om It's 16.04, but should still be pretty well supported.
[03:15] <xuanrui> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380423/ - here
[03:18] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: " BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.10.0-32-generic ". 16.04 with HWE to pull in zesty kernel ?
[03:19] <xuanrui> Yes, I installed HWE because someone said it solved their problems
[03:19] <xuanrui> not for me though
[03:22] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Well, we have no driver ( and X does not see Intel ) for the skylake chip set . The signal from nvidia goes through the onboard Intel graphics . We got to get Intel up . Now I have no experience with Intel . We just do the best we can .
[03:23] <xuanrui> Maybe I need to upgrade my intel-microcode
[03:24] <Fretegi> xuanrui, so this is a laptop with nvidia/intel hybrid i take it? sorry coming in at the tail end
[03:24] <xuanrui> Fretegi Yes. Better late than never!
[03:24] <xuanrui> It's a skylake
[03:25] <rolandbeowulf> I use a usb-forwarded phone hotspot to get internet to my ubuntu laptop on the train everyday, but as of recent, using usb-forwarded hotspots has resulted in the laptop totally freezing up, and not responding to any keypresses, requiring a hard restart. Would anyone know what's going on with this?
[03:25] <Fretegi> xuanrui, what kinda laptop if you dont mind?
[03:25] <Fretegi> i have a skylake i7 built by system76 im on right now with that setup working perfectly, happy to share what i did
[03:25] <xuanrui> Fretegi sure. It's a Dell Inspiron i7559
[03:27] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Let's read the bug report ! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1565516 .
[03:27] <kallesbar> xuanrui: Have you nomodset kernel parameter or not?
[03:27] <Fretegi> xuanrui, lspci | grep VGA
[03:28] <xuanrui> Fretegi 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Skylake Integrated Graphics (rev 06)
[03:28] <xuanrui> kallesbar good point. Should try doing that once.
[03:28] <kallesbar> xuanrui: Well I have same cards as you have and I needed to remove it, when installed 381 from ppa
[03:29] <xuanrui> Oh I misunderstood what you mean. No, I don't think I have it set
[03:29] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Fretegi :: " Same bug with NvidiaGTX 960M and Intel® HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) :- " .
[03:30] <Fretegi> xuanrui, ok i suspect you have very similiar hardware as I.  What i did was install nvidia-375, intel-microcode and added GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="1920*1080" to /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[03:31] <xuanrui> And I would get 1920*1080 display right
[03:31] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Abd no given solution , We fly by the seat of our pants .
[03:31] <Fretegi> should
[03:31] <kallesbar> xuanrui: when I installed ubuntu 16.04 first time I needed to add it otherwise black screen, but if you do not have
[03:31] <Fretegi> xuanrui, also in the bios do you have the settings DISCREET and MSHYBRID?
[03:31] <Fretegi> if so set to MSHYBRID
[03:32] <xuanrui> Fretegi I've never checked
[03:32] <xuanrui> will do that now and will be back in a while
[03:32] <Fretegi> xuanrui, so your trying to get the gpu switching to work right?
[03:32] <xuanrui> Fretegi wait, did you have to install nvidia-prime?
[03:32] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: When you get back to me . show us ' dpkg -l i965-va-driver ' <- that is the driver we want installed .
[03:32] <Fretegi> xuanrui, yup, but the nvidia package will bring that in
[03:33] <xuanrui> OK, sounds good
[03:33] <Fretegi> xuanrui, just to make sure were on the same page hold a second
[03:33] <xuanrui> Sure
[03:34] <Fretegi> xuanrui, the steps i mentioned, in addition to setting the bios to MSHYBRID worked for me to allow switching from intel to nvidia gpu using nvidia-prime.  i was assuming that is what you wanted but never clarified
[03:35] <xuanrui> I've never seen anyone mention MSHYBRID. I guess that's what I need
[03:35] <Fretegi> and the manner in which u switch is via the nvidia settings tool, gives a very handy graphic tool to just pick the desired gpu but you must log out and back in to make the switch
[03:35] <Fretegi> if its set to DISCREET it will just be running the nvidia card with whatever driver you have installed for it
[03:36] <Fretegi> well not JUST using nvidia, but you cannot shut off the nvidia, hows that :)
[03:39] <xuanrui> Good, gonna do this. Will come back soon.
[03:39] <rpw> does firmware.agent called by udev look in /usr/local/lib/firmware ?
[03:44] <Fretegi> that whole nvidia-prime bit seems to be a bit fickle isnt it?
[03:45] <xuanrui> Fretegi unfortunately, I don't see a DISCREET/MSHYBRID setting in my BIOS
[03:45] <xuanrui> or maybe I wasn't doing it right
[03:45] <Fretegi> xuanrui, hmmm usually in the chipset settings somewhere, sometimes under advanced
[03:46] <xuanrui> do you also have the aptio setup utility?
[03:46] <xuanrui> Fretegi
[03:47] <Fretegi> xuanrui, i dont believe so
[03:47] <xuanrui> then we probably have different bioses
[03:48] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: " show us ' dpkg -l i965-va-driver ' <- that is the driver we want installed " for the skylake chip set .
[03:48] <Fretegi> not sure what bios utility i have actually, never paid attention ha
[03:49] <xuanrui> Bashing-om http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380552/
[03:51] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Surprised ,, It is there . So why is it not loading .
[03:51] <xuanrui> I'm confused too
[03:52] <Fretegi> xuanrui, lspci -k what does it show for 'kernel in use' for the intel vga
[03:53] <Fretegi> kernel driver in use*
[03:53] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: What is X working with ? Pastebin ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ' See what the config file is .
[04:06] <xuanrui> Fretegi Hm, I really don't have the DISCREET/MSHYBRID settings
[04:06] <xuanrui> Bashing-om any new insights?
[04:06] <Fretegi> xuanrui, hmmm, must just be set to hybrid all the time i suppose
[04:06] <xuanrui> Yea, should be
[04:07] <xuanrui> I have a dual boot windows system, in which my nvidia card works
[04:07] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: My "22:53 < Bashing-om> xuanrui: What is X working with ? Pastebin ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ' " Awaiting .
[04:07] <xuanrui> Bashing-om I don't have a xorg.conf
[04:08] <xuanrui> Latest backup is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380721/
[04:09] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: You nust have it in order to configure X . and to be able to switch graphics sets ., and yes that bug is still evidient .
[04:10] <xuanrui> Bashing-om So I'll need to create one right? Mind reminding me how to do that?
[04:10] <Fretegi> xuanrui, that backup is exactly mine
[04:10] <Fretegi> my xorg.conf that is
[04:11] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Will be interesting to "see" what the sytem builds ' sudo nvidia-xconfig ' .
[04:18] <xuanrui> Package xorg-server was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:18] <xuanrui> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `xorg-server.pc'
[04:18] <xuanrui> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[04:18] <xuanrui> No package 'xorg-server' found
[04:18] <xuanrui> Bashing-om should I be worried about this?
[04:19] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Yeah , We already know there is a problem . Just to identify what .
[04:20] <xuanrui> I got this when I was trying to `sudo nvidia-xconfig`
[04:21] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Let's try and identify what is missing for x-server : ' dpkg -l | grep -i xserver-xorg-video-* ' .
[04:22] <xuanrui> I have xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-video-intel-hwe-16.04 and xserver-xorg-video-vmware
[04:22] <xuanrui> I smell something wrong, I must be missing something like `xserver-xorg-video-nvidia`
[04:22] <oerheks> vmware ?
[04:23] <xuanrui> Yea, it's there for some reason
[04:23] <xuanrui> I don't know why, but it doesn't seem to be breaking things
[04:25] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: With the propeitary driver intalled there will be no ubuntu package for the driver .
[04:25] <xuanrui> Hm
[04:25] <arahael> So Ubuntu defaults to the proprietary driver, not nouveou?
[04:25] <arahael> (Whatever way that's spelt...)
[04:26] <xuanrui> It's nouveau, but I think you're right
[04:26] <arahael> Interesting.
[04:26] <Bashing-om> arahael: NO, the propeuetary driver must be installed . Default for nvidia is nouveau .
[04:27] <xuanrui> arahael I mean, when you have proprietary drivers installed, ubuntu defaults to them.
[04:27] <arahael> Back in the day, I found that nouveau was the simplest.
[04:27] <xuanrui> But of course ubuntu wouldn't automatically install them for you
[04:27] <oerheks> all i can think of is blacklisting nouveau, and sna tearfree dri3 conf https://askubuntu.com/a/796808
[04:28] <oerheks> intel 530 is not the oldest hardware
[04:28] <xuanrui> nouveau is blacklisted
[04:29] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Mine: http://termbin.com/3fiw . Where I run the 375 nvidia driver .
[04:30] <xuanrui> Hmm...
[04:30] <xuanrui> Maybe I need that metapackage
[04:31] <Bashing-om> oerheks: xorg log file does not see Intel, and  lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d'  does not have a driver loaded for Intel .
[04:31] <xuanrui> But seems that that just installs all other packages Bashing-om
[04:32] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: All I am saying is that if you compare my output to yours .. are ALL these installed ?
[04:32] <xuanrui> I just installed all of them
[04:32] <xuanrui> I don't know which of them would work, but it can do no harm I guess
[04:32] <oerheks> never seen such xorg http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380721/
[04:34] <xuanrui> Now I'll try rebooting, likely will still get a black screen
[04:35] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: All the  xserver-xorg- packages I have are all installed by default on my system . One size to fit any situation .
[04:38] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Yeah . strange config file !
[04:42] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I'm trying to install opencl drivers for nvidia on my machine, however clinfo doesn't detect the gpu, and I get the error
[04:42] <cluelessperson> clinfo: /usr/local/cuda-8.0/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/libOpenCL.so.1: no version information available (required by clinfo)
[04:42] <cluelessperson> any idea on how to solve?
[04:43] <Bashing-om> oerheks: IRT: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380721/ .... Section "Device" -> Driver "intel" ; Option "AccelMethod" "SNA" . Is what I have in my notes .
[04:43] <oerheks> and updating microcode
[04:45] <oerheks> i think 17.04 does get the right intel driver, 16.04 with hwe does not suport kaby?
[04:45] <xuanrui> Bashing-om Yep, didn't work
[04:47] <oerheks> cluelessperson, clinfo without root?
[04:48] <Bashing-om> oerheks: kabylake firmware issues : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364663 . I have not investigated .
[04:49] <oerheks> oh, vendor update.. also a good start
[04:49] <cluelessperson> oerheks: i'm definitely root
[04:51] <xuanrui> Fretegi do you happen to have any more insights?
[04:52] <Fretegi> xuanrui, not really.  what is the main issue though?  just stuck on either intel or nvidia?
[04:52] <xuanrui> Fretegi I can't get nvidia drivers to work at all. They give me a black screen
[04:53] <xuanrui> common issue, but none of the solutions I found online helped me
[04:53] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Still no Intel driver loaded : pastebin - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' ; lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' .
[04:54] <xuanrui> Bashing-om http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25380923/
[04:54] <Fretegi> xuanrui, hmmm... do you have another computer that can be used at the same time?
[04:54] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Fretegi Barking up the wrong tree , nvidia drivers are loaded . Intel is not .
[04:55] <xuanrui> Bashing-om not really, I had to purge nvidia drivers every time before I get my display back
[04:55] <horny-sama> error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.58.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:55] <horny-sama> I don't know why I am getting this error
[04:56] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Making progress ! " Kernel driver in use: i915" but the wrong driver .
[04:56] <horny-sama> this show I have installed https://paste.ubuntu.com/25380929/
[04:58] <xuanrui> Bashing-om Hm...At this point I have already purged nvidia-375
[04:58] <Fretegi> xuanrui, fresh install of ubuntu?
[04:58] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328993 .
[04:59] <xuanrui> I know reinstalling ubuntu might solve most problems, but I don't want to do that...
[05:00] <xuanrui> I think I have all my skylake drivers
[05:02] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: If you had the correct driver then for skylake i915 driver would not be the one in use .
[05:02] <xuanrui> hm
[05:03] <Fretegi> well i have i915 running right now...
[05:03] <Fretegi> xuanrui, uname -a
[05:03] <Fretegi> what kernel version are you running?
[05:03] <xuanrui> 4.10.0-32-generic #36~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 9 09:19:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:04] <Fretegi> xuanrui, ok thats recent enough for kaby stuff...
[05:04] <Bashing-om> Fretegi: xuanrui " Driver version: Intel i965 driver for Intel(R) Skylake " .
[05:06] <Fretegi> Bashing-om, yea thats what i have read too.. however..  https://pastebin.com/GQfVi23b
[05:06] <Fretegi> theres mine, running i915....
[05:07] <xuanrui> My nvidia card is a "3d controller", though
[05:07] <xuanrui> not a "VGA compatible controller"
[05:07] <xuanrui> strange
[05:07] <Fretegi> and fwiw, i am running only on the intel card at the moment
[05:07] <Fretegi> still sounds like a modesetting issue to me
[05:08] <Bashing-om> Fretegi: looks good .. but not sky/kaby-lake for intel ??
[05:08] <xuanrui> Fretegi I want to run on my nvidia card, though
[05:08] <xuanrui> Intel card OK, nvidia card it doesn't work
[05:10] <Fretegi> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/bS6fEsC4  weird  i know that i have the i915 but check it out, line 3, SKy lake...
[05:10] <Fretegi> https://pastebin.com/bS6fEsC4
[05:11] <Fretegi> well with modesetting not working properly that could very easily cause your black screen
[05:11] <Fretegi> xuanrui, do you have another functioning computer you can use at the same time?
[05:12] <xuanrui> Fretegi I do not, but I can connect to irc on my phone
[05:13] <Fretegi> xuanrui, well what i was going to suggest is booting that laptop into its black screen and SSH'ing into it so we can see exactly whats broke while its running.  its likely running just has a messed up display
[05:13] <Bashing-om> Fretegi: U read it that the pci is skylake  but the actual graphics chip is not . Look at xuanrui's out puts . the video chips are expressly skylake, yours are not .
[05:14] <xuanrui> Fretegi I can always log in to a TTY
[05:18] <xuanrui> Bashing-om what drivers should I have, then?
[05:19] <Fretegi> Bashing-om, oops, im a clown on that one, sorru... im on a kabylake... got the names mixed up...
[05:19] <Fretegi> but 965 still the supposed driver i should have, but 915 running just fine
[05:22] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: In your case I would accept  i965 or perhaps maybe i915_bpo .
[05:23] <xuanrui> Bashing-om Obviously I do have that installed...how do I configure ubuntu to use that?
[05:24] <kneeki> If I add my user to the www-data group, I am still unable to write to /var/www using that user account. If I instead chmod to the user I am able to write without any problem. What's the command to allow my user, who is in the www-data group to write to /var/www?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Ehat do we get ' sudo apt install --reinstall i965-va-driver ' ?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> What*
[05:24] <xuanrui> Just did that
[05:25] <xuanrui> waiting for next steps Bashing-om
[05:26] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Should be nothing else required but to reboot the system. and look and see then what the in-use driver is .
[05:26] <xuanrui> Rebooting now
[05:26] <kneeki> Looks like: sudo chmod -R g+w /var/www
[05:37] <xuanrui> Bashing-om still i915 in use
[05:37] <xuanrui> this is no good
[05:38] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Sorry, I do not know what else to try or advise . I just do not know Intel well enough .
[05:38] <xuanrui> That's fine!
[05:42] <Fretegi> xuanrui, can you pastebin /etc/default/grub pls
[05:42] <vlt> kneeki: logout/login?
[05:46] <Fretegi> oops guess he left ha
[05:46] <linocisco> hi all
[05:47] <Fretegi> hello
[05:48] <linocisco> on ubuntu desktop, what I have noticed is that difference between software update and commandline update of (apt-get update && upgrade). Although I have done several times of apt-get update and upgrade, in software updater, there are still alot to update. What is wrong?
[05:50] <hateball> linocisco: software updater will show you for instance newer kernel versions, if you want to upgrade using cli use "apt full-upgrade"
[05:50] <hateball> !upgrade
[05:50] <hateball> no
[05:51] <hateball> !dist-upgrade
[05:51] <hateball> :/
[05:51] <linocisco> hateball, what is No?
[05:51] <linocisco> hateball, I am in the process of apt full-upgrade
[06:08] <hateball> linocisco: I was just saying "no ubnottu, that factoid could be more helpful" :p
[06:09] <hateball> linocisco: anyhow, hope I explained it clearly
[06:12] <inerkick> Hi Guys. I got LUbuntu 17.04. But I'm not able to setup wifi hotspot so that I can access the internet using my smartphone. Nor I can use my phone's wifi. Kindly help
[06:18] <sim642> Under xubuntu 16.04 when unlocking I constantly have to do it twice. I write my password to unlock and it does something for a while and falls back to the unlock screen so I have to enter my password again, the second time it works. Sometimes I can see the desktop for a second before it gets locked again, sometimes I see some screen saying "You'll be redirected to the login session" or whatnot
[06:19] <EriC^> sim642: when just unlocking or after suspending?
[06:19] <sim642> no suspension
[06:28] <ppang> Best way to spawn a process and keep it running even if its parent die
[06:29] <CryptoSiD> I'm having the weirdest issue i ever saw in my life
[06:29] <CryptoSiD> If i connect a server on my workstation... the server boot #1
[06:29] <CryptoSiD> if i connect it back in the rackmount... it don't boot anymore...
[06:29] <CryptoSiD> only powercord and VGA connected on both place.
[07:03] <linocisco> hi
[07:04] <linocisco> is there any ubuntu certified expert exam?
[07:04] <SchrodingersScat> not afaik
[07:05] <ducasse> linocisco: afaik, only this: https://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/training
[07:15] <j3089te> I have a depency problem. Can some one helps me? https://pastebin.com/Fy6zU4Mu
[07:16] <ducasse> j3089te: is this kde neon?
[07:16] <j3089te> ducasse: yes
[07:17] <ducasse> j3089te: not supported here, try #kdeneon
[07:17] <j3089te> it is practically ubuntu
[07:17] <ducasse> !based on ubuntu | j3089te
[07:28] <proximab> hey guys i am using TP-Link TL-WN722N USB Wi-Fi Adapter it shows the Wi-Fi networks but doesn't connect, it's not the issue with password, i think it's driver issue, can anybody help?
[07:29] <hateball> proximab: what chipset does it use? "lsusb"
[07:30] <proximab> Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n
[07:34] <proximab> hateball?
[07:35] <hateball> proximab: try connecting to a network, then run "dmesg" and see if it spits out anything useful
[07:39] <proximab> hateball, when i select ssid it asks password but doesn't connect.
[07:39] <proximab> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
[07:39] <xuanrui> This is giving me a huge headache Bashing-om Fretegi
[07:39] <xuanrui> Fretegi
[07:40] <xuanrui> I guess my fallback is just to update to 17.04?
[07:44] <zaoqi>  apt update:https://paste.gnome.org/pp7cdxf20 (gnupg is installed) ... Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) ...
[07:45] <ducasse> zaoqi: is the root fs readonly?
[07:45] <zaoqi> no
[07:47] <zaoqi> ducasse: no
[07:49] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Still mulling and talking your issue over . I a, still stuck on why the i965 driver does not load .
[07:50] <xuanrui> Yep, seems that the problem isn't really with nvidia drivers
[07:50] <ducasse> zaoqi: try again with 'sudo apt -o APT::Sandbox::User=root update'
[07:52] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: I have seen countless xorg files . The striking thing with yours, as I have remarked. is that Intel is not identified .
[07:53] <xuanrui> I haven't seen that many xorg files Bashing-om
[07:53] <xuanrui> maybe mines is wrong?
[07:54] <zaoqi> ducasse: Can I 'echo APT::Sandbox::User=root>>/etc/apt/apt.conf'?
[07:55] <Bashing-om> xuanrui: Let me clarify . It is the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in reference , It is a log of what X is doing . We know tou have both Intel and Nvidia on your system, yet the file does not reflect Intel !
[07:56] <xuanrui> Yep, that's strange
[07:57] <ducasse> zaoqi: you can try, i would just run it once as a test
[08:02] <ducasse> zaoqi: but if you do, i think you need to replace the = with a space
[08:17] <trijntje_> I have a problem using a wifi dongle on ubuntu 16.04.3. I can connect with the wifi network, but when I try to browse I get 'unable to connect' for every website
[08:19] <yeeve> ducasse, I've just stumbled across this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xbindkeys#Configuration (ctrl+f "Simulating multimedia keys") - is it worth trying to remap using xdotool and xmacro instead of the xkb stuff? (I signed up and mailed the mailing list for xbindkeys, I've never used one so I'm not sure if I've done it right but fingers-crossed)
[08:21] <ducasse> yeeve: seems that also relies on xmodmap, if i read it correctly, and xmodmap is no longer guaranteed to give expected results
[08:22] <yeeve> Ok ducasse, I just thought I'd get your opinion :P I'll wait for help on #xorg and the mailing list, thanks for everything man!
[08:23] <mungustas> hi guys, how do I find per process io to particular device? like iotop
[08:23] <ducasse> yeeve: i'm not saying it's not worth a try, though, it's not going to break anything a restart shouldn't cure :)
[08:24] <yeeve> ah well in that case I've got nothing to lose! :P
[08:24] <ducasse> yeeve: be aware that because xmodmap is deprecated, it sometimes needs to be run twice to 'take', for some reason
[08:25] <yeeve> that's good to know thanks, I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else whilst searching around
[08:25] <ducasse> yeeve: it behaves _very_ strangely since xkb was introduced :)
[08:26] <yeeve> ducasse, do you know if Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 uses Wayland and if Wayland could be getting in the way at all? https://superuser.com/a/1032426
[08:27] <ducasse> yeeve: no, it doesn't, and if this was wayland you couldn't use setxkbmap etc
[08:27] <yeeve> Ah ok :P wasn't sure xD
[08:28] <ducasse> yeeve: wayland is expected in 17.10
[08:30] <ducasse> yeeve: ..which is great news for you, as it will horribly break everything you're doing now (unless you stick to using x11) :D
[08:30] <yeeve> ducasse xD thanks dude ...
[08:30] <yokowka> everything good! what is next version of ubuntu affter zesty zappus? and when it will appears?
[08:31] <yeeve> ducasse, does wayland have it's own method for this or is it too new for other tools to work with it?
[08:31] <ducasse> yokowka: 17.10, in october. support in #ubuntu+1
[08:31] <yokowka> thank you ducasse
[08:32] <yokowka> in which date of october? ducasse
[08:32] <ducasse> yeeve: it has it's own methods for some of it, tools will be developed eventually for the rest. it's a bit early, imho
[08:32] <ducasse> yokowka: 19th, i think
[08:33] <yokowka> thank you, and all good
[08:34] <yokowka> Fellas, did enyone knows site with free getting sms online numbers?
[08:34] <yokowka> phone numbers
[08:35] <ducasse> !ot | yokowka
[08:39] <freelancerbob> i can't ping my host from my VM in virtualbox, anu idea ?
[08:39] <freelancerbob> I have virtualbox Host-Only Ethernet Adapter
[08:41] <trijntje_> I have the same dongle for 2 ubuntu 16.04.3 systems. On one system, it is using the iwlwifi driver and wifi works. On the other its using the rtl8192cu driver and I keep losing wifi. How can I get the iwlwifi driver on the other pc?
[08:42] <freelancerbob> problem solved FW issue :)
[08:44] <ducasse> trijntje_: you mean you have two identical dongles, or just the one that they share?
[08:45] <trijntje_> ducasse: two identical dongles
[08:45] <ducasse> trijntje_: do they give the same lsusb output?
[08:46] <trijntje_> ducasse: yes, 7392:7811
[08:47] <yokowka> ducasse what do you mean this "!ot"?
[08:47] <ducasse> yokowka: it's a trigger to get ubottu to write that message for you
[08:48] <ducasse> yokowka: ('ot' means 'off-topic')
[08:48] <trijntje_> ducasse: I did make one mistake, the working one is using rtl8xxxu driver
[08:49] <ducasse> trijntje_: you could try blacklisting rtl8192cu, i guess
[08:50] <trijntje_> ducasse: I tried that, but then there is nothing to replace it, so I just end up without wifi
[08:51] <yokowka> i understand
[08:52] <yokowka> ducasse what is ubuntu kylin?
[08:53] <ducasse> !kylin
[08:54] <yokowka> thank
[08:55] <ducasse> trijntje_: i'm really not sure, realtek chipsets are always problematic
[08:58] <ducasse> trijntje_: rtl8192cu should not be loaded for 7392:7811, according to the modinfo output i get
[08:58] <trijntje_> ducasse: it looks like I have it working with the correct driver now. by running `sudo modprobe -r rtl8192cu; sudo modprobe -r rtl8xxxu; sudo modprobe rtl8xxxu'
[09:00] <trijntje_> ducasse: what command is that? The computer that has the issues is a fresh install from last week, so I'm not sure why it has these issues
[09:01] <ducasse> trijntje_: 'modinfo rtl8192cu'
[09:10] <trijntje_> ducasse: according to that command, my dongle should indeed be using the rtl8xxxu driver. So I guess I should blaclist the rtl8192cu. But how do I make sure that the rtl8xxxu driver gets used when I do that?
[09:12] <yeeve> ducasse, ... you won't believe it!!!
[09:13] <yeeve> this post https://askubuntu.com/a/938976 shows this syntax keysym | keycode so I tried that ... and "XF86WebCam | m:0x0 + c:90" works perfectly!
[09:13] <yeeve> It's like a conditional to check both, the | is more like &
[09:13] <yeeve> dudeeeeee!
[09:13] <FManTropyx> my system issues are escalating
[09:19] <FManTropyx> wtf, why does Ubuntu tell me that the program 'irssi' is currently not installed??
[09:21] <FManTropyx> now I am confused... I was sure I had used it on this computer, but I find no trace of it
[09:25] <yeeve> Nooooo! It is an OR operator! I just got (un)lucky with the key I choose to test :(
[09:31] <FManTropyx> "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[09:31] <FManTropyx> alas, this cmd just produces even more errors...
[09:47] <geirha> are you running out of space?
[10:01] <Aliekezhi> hi, is there still issues when using iptables + Networkmanager at the same time ?
[10:04] <akik> Aliekezhi: what's your issue?
[10:08] <Aliekezhi> akik, don't have any issues yet, but on the iptables guide : "WARNING: If you use NetworkManager (installed by default on Feisty and later) these steps will leave you unable to use NetworkManager for the interfaces you modify."
[10:08] <Aliekezhi> akik, I mean this guide : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[10:11] <Aliekezhi> akik, do I really need to make a script for Network manager to load iptables rules ?
[10:15] <akik> Aliekezhi: use ufw to manage it. it's installed by default in ubuntu
[10:16] <akik> i feel like some of the community wiki pages are not updated
[10:18] <akik> for example ufw handles now all that which is mentioned in solution #1
[10:20] <mcphail> Aliekezhi: you can add iptables rules to /etc/rc.local and still happily use networkmanager
[11:02] <adac> If I simply would like to run a script of mine on boot, what is my best and fastest option to do that with ubunt 16.04?
[11:03] <yeeve> adac, there are a few options. I like /etc/rc.local because it's one of the first I check for stuff running on startup
[11:05] <adac> yeeve, so basically I can just add my command I like to execute there or?
[11:07] <yeeve> adac, yeah, whatever commands you put there get called. Just make sure you use full paths and test it to make sure it actually runs as you'd expect
[11:08] <adac> yeeve, OK I see, thank you.
[11:08] <adac> yeeve, one last question: when is this excuted actually? Before or after all services are up?
[11:12] <Aliekezhi> mcphail, thx, I like this solution :)
[11:12] <antranigv> hey all, is there ubuntu's base tarball? I want to use ubuntu in chroot :)
[11:15] <mcphail> Aliekezhi: :)
[11:15] <adac> yeeve, found the answer I think: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/49635
[11:19] <mcphail> antranigv: the typical way to do that is by using debootstrap
[11:19] <adac> yeeve, If I mess this file up, does the machine not boot anymore?
[11:19] <adac> Or are simply the commands not executed
[11:20] <mcphail> antranigv: debian instructions are at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en . Ubuntu installation is similar
[11:26] <unlovedru> hey guys, i have an ubuntu server with videocard, i have a selenium that uses headless chrome for parsing, can i use videocard to render chrome webpages in window mode?
[11:27] <unlovedru> i've installed xorg but xrandr --query says "Can't open display"
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:43] <jdavila> hi
[11:58] <kamild1996> Hello, from what I read on the interwebz, disabling PulseAudio and using ALSA alone instead seems like a bad idea because it breaks some apps, right?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi again
[12:03] <kamild1996> I'm having issues with severe audio delay (almost a whole second of delay) on some applications, and I managed to find out PulseAudio may be a cause for this. When I force the problematic app to use ALSA (AE_SINK=ALSA prefix), the delay is gone. Any ideas?
[13:04] <zaoqi> sudo apt update : ... Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) ... (https://paste.gnome.org/pp7cdxf20)|||sudo apt -o APT::Sandbox::User=root update : success|||How to fix it?
[13:11] <harrydg> question: when i click on a link in akregator, it opens 2 tabs with the same content in my default (chrome) browser. Anyone clues on how to fix that?
[13:15] <harrydg> bwahahaaaa... solved it myself. I looked for it for weeks, didn't find it... now i did
[13:15] <harrydg> forget the question! (answer is: Settings -> applications -> default applications -> Browser, remove the %U from the command line
[13:17] <e3d3> Hi, I tried the Ubuntu-Game-pack 16.04 Live on a HP pavilion dv6 laptop, that refused to reboot. Now I can't boot at all and have a black screen after powerup. Any ideas how to solve this ?
[13:18] <fishcooker> should the sdcard to be formatted eg: fat32 first before flashing with raspi os?
[13:33] <EriC^^> hey Tri3125
[13:33] <Tri3125> Whoa
[13:34] <Tri3125> Hey Eric!
[13:35] <Tri3125> So what was your plan to fix windows? I have the drive ready.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> fishcooker, yes
[13:36] <BluesKaj> fishcooker, altho that's offtopic here
[13:37] <EriC^^> Tri3125: extract the iso contents to the usb and boot it in uefi mode
[13:39] <EriC^^> Tri3125: then go to troubleshooting > advanced > command prompt
[13:44] <harrydg> fishcooker: doesn't matter, the install script does that for you (ext2 iirc). But OT indeed
[13:44] <Tri3125> By the way, I think I should mention that in my attempts to fix this earlier I used "bootrec /rebuildBcd" but it told me that it needed an active MBR partition. None of the partitions worked with that command
[13:45] <EriC^^> Tri3125: yeah that's for legacy booting, you need to mount the efi partition using diskpart, then type cd /d e:\EFI/Microsoft/Boot and type bootrec /fixboot
[13:46] <Tri3125> Oh I remember us making that folder
[13:46] <EriC^^> then bcdedit c:\Windows /s e: /f All  (where e: is the letter you assign the efi partition)
[13:47] <EriC^^> lol, it's e:\EFI\Microsoft\Boot typo :D
[13:48] <EriC^^> in diskpart you type "list vol" when you see the efi partition type "sel vol <number>" then assign letter=e: and then exit
[13:48] <EriC^^> you might need to run "list disk" first and then "sel disk <number>"
[13:48] <Tri3125> I thought "list partition" listed the partitions
[13:48] <Tri3125> I have used list vol before, but I forget what that would give me
[13:49] <EriC^^> i think it shows everything without selecting the disk first
[13:50] <EriC^^> oh, also you need to assign a letter to the windows partition
[13:50] <Tri3125> Never mind, I just looked "list vol" up and everything makes sense now
[13:50] <EriC^^> assign letter=c:
[13:50] <Tri3125> And my windows partition already has D assigned to it when I use list vol, is that ok?
[13:50] <Tri3125> Or do I need to make it c?
[13:50] <EriC^^> yeah that's ok, just use D:\Windows in the bcdedit command
[13:51] <garuda15> Try diskpart
[13:51] <garuda15> Sel and active windows partition
[13:56] <Anticom> Hi all. Is there a way to get Eclipse Oxygen (CDT) via ppa on my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS ?
[13:57] <Anticom> I was looking arround for a bit and couldn't find anything
[14:01] <zaoqi> sudo apt update : ... Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) ... (https://paste.gnome.org/pp7cdxf20)|||sudo apt -o APT::Sandbox::User=root update : success|||How to fix it?
[14:02] <Anticom> zaoqi: which apt-key
[14:03] <zaoqi> https://paste.gnome.org/pp7cdxf20
[14:03] <zaoqi> Anticom: https://paste.gnome.org/pp7cdxf20
[14:04] <Anticom> i hate it, when tools have names like "which" and people missunderstand you :D
[14:04] <Anticom> ^ zaoqi
[14:04] <Anticom> nothing against you :)
[14:06] <zaoqi> Anticom: /usr/bin/apt-key
[14:19] <Anticom> zaoqi: could be related to permissions on /tmp https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1577926
[14:48] <doux> Hi, I'm restoring my system from a tar.gz file for the first time. I'm using a live USB. Now that i've extracted my root file system, do I need to do anything with my EFI partition? Like update the kernel so it matches the restored version?
[14:50] <leftyfb> doux: a tarball of your OS is not the best way to go about backing up/restoring
[14:50] <doux> leftyfb, well i'm not that sophisticated.
[14:50] <doux> leftyfb, and that's the current situation.
[14:51] <leftyfb> doux: I would do a fresh install, reinstall the applications you need and copy back your /home directory from the tarball. Maybe cherry-pick config files from /etc in the tarball as needed
[14:52] <doux> leftyfb, The reason I learned how to do a tar system backup was precisely so I wouldn't have to do a fresh install...
[14:52] <doux> leftyfb, everything is the same: same distro, same version, etc...
[14:53] <Anticom> doux: same hardware?
[14:53] <doux> Anticom, yes
[14:53] <Anticom> woot
[14:53] <doux> Anticom, ?
[14:53] <leftyfb> doux: A fresh install would be just about done by now if you started when you joined here.
[14:54] <doux> leftyfb, No it would not. I would have to configure all my software. That's what I'm trying to avoid.
[14:54] <Anticom> why go through all that if you don't even get a hardware upgrade?
[14:54] <doux> Anticom, If I screw something up I can restore from backup
[14:54] <leftyfb> doux: That is WAY easier than trying to recreate your OS by hand. A tarball isn't going to work the way you think.
[14:54] <Anticom> doux: usually software is configured using dotfiles so leftyfb is right by mentioning to just just copy those over
[14:55] <leftyfb> doux: I've done this a few thousand times
[14:55] <Anticom> doux: so your machine isn't actually broken right now but you're rather trying to find out how to restore your machine from an archive in case it happens (?)
[14:55] <Anticom> doux: https://github.com/anishathalye/dotbot *hint*
[14:55] <Anticom> never let me down so far
[14:55] <leftyfb> or just copy your /home
[14:56] <doux> Anticom, leftyfb, I screwed up using sudo with pip. I want to restore my system from two weeks ago.
[14:56] <Anticom> doux: windows people fix their machines by doing fresh installs. Did you look for help in fixing your pip setup here already?
[14:57] <leftyfb> doux: maybe that should be what you're asking for help with then ... how did you "screw up" with sudo and pip exactly and what is currently broken?
[14:57] <Anticom> I'm by no means a linux expert but there are a lot of other smart guys arround here that might help you fix your machine without having to re-install the whole OS right away
[14:57] <doux> Anticom, leftyfb: Ok, so I'm obviously not understanding something. I only need to restore my /home/user directory?
[14:57] <ioria> doux, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR#Restoring
[14:57] <leftyfb> doux: depends on what your issue is
[14:57] <Anticom> doux: the first step in fixing your problem is to describe your problem ;)
[14:58] <Anticom> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[14:58] <doux> Anticom, leftyfb, this is also an excuse to try to restore my system. I don't really care about fixing the sudo pip problem.
[14:59] <leftyfb> doux: fresh install + restore /home + maybe cherry pick /etc/ configs
[14:59] <Anticom> doux: well then backup your config files and do a clean install if you're really that desperate ._.
[14:59] <leftyfb> that's the better way for you to restore
[14:59] <leftyfb> doux: or fix the issue
[14:59] <Anticom> sudo rm -rf / always fixes the issue :D
[15:00] <doux> leftyfb, Anticom thanks for all the advice. Much appreciated. I'm still a bit confused about user vs. system applications. Won't I have config files for software that hasn't been installed yet?
[15:00] <doux> Anticom, I actually did use rm -rf with xargs...
[15:01] <Anticom> doux: to achive what?
[15:01] <Anticom> you now you can remove packages with pip aswell right?
[15:01] <leftyfb> doux: Save a list of the packages you installed. Reinstall those on the fresh install, then copy your /home and possibly /etc/ configs back
[15:02] <doux> leftyfb, why is doing it my way so bad? Just curious?
[15:02] <Anticom> doux: if you got a small old spare HDD laying arround somewhere you could even go through that process on that one and test if everything works as you expect
[15:02] <Anticom> #leraning-by-doing
[15:02] <doux> Anticom, I used virtualbox to test it.
[15:02] <Anticom> doux: and?
[15:03] <doux> Anticom, and it seemed to work.
[15:04] <geirha> that can quickly work "too well"
[15:04] <leftyfb> It's not a properly installed OS. You'll still have cruft. Possibly not even fix the issue. Possibly cause other issues. You probably just tarballed all of / which won't be valid since there's things like /proc /sys /dev that aren't regular files. There's kernel mismatches. The amount of work needed to get all this working is much more than just a clean, fresh install which is always the best answer.
[15:05] <leftyfb> doux: Spend the time scripting your backup/restore. Grab your list of installed packages, backup /home and /etc and script restoring it by reinstalling apps and then copying configs and /home
[15:05] <doux> leftyfb, I followed Ubuntu instructions
[15:06] <leftyfb> doux: show me the document on ubuntu.com's wiki that told you to backup and restore your system with a tarball
[15:06] <doux> leftyfb, give me a sec.
[15:06] <doux> leftyfb, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
[15:07] <doux> Anticom, leftyfb I followed the above link to the letter.
[15:07] <doux> FYI
[15:08] <leftyfb> ugh
[15:09] <leftyfb> ok, good luck
[15:09] <doux> leftyfb,  So the new way is simply extracting my home directory in /home. and then merging my backedup /etc with the fresh /etc. Correct?
[15:09] <dark2087> Hey silly question.  Any recommendation on which Ubuntu is best for using as a Thin Client? Doing virtualization.
[15:09] <Anticom> dark2087: headless?
[15:10] <dark2087> Sorry I don't understand what you mean by headless.
[15:10] <Anticom> dark2087: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
[15:11] <Anticom> dark2087: headless means without any screen support (besides plain terminal)
[15:11] <Anticom> dark2087: usually servers run headless OS'es
[15:11] <dark2087> Oh no I meant the Thin Client that the user will use to connect to the Virtual Machine
[15:12] <Anticom> dark2087: also this might be helpful: https://renewablepcs.wordpress.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce/
[15:12] <Anticom> because the different ubuntu flavours use different desktop environments where one is slimer than the other
[15:13] <dark2087> Okay thanks
[15:14] <doux> Ok, thanks leftyfb, I will try doing it your way.
[15:22] <yossarianuk> hi - what version of gnome is ubuntu 17.10 aiming to ship with ?
[15:23] <yossarianuk> i.e 3.24 or 3.26 ?
[15:27] <nacc> yossarianuk: #ubuntu+1 for such questions
[15:29] <minimec> yossarianuk: The current version of the nautilus package for 17.10 is '3.25.90'. So I guess we get 3.26... https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/nautilus
[15:30] <yossarianuk> ok thanks
[15:35] <ash_workz> I ran ls -al /../logs and it was taking forever so I closed the terminal; when I run ps aux I see it there; I tried to kill to no avail
[15:36] <nacc> ash_workz: you zombied the task probably
[15:36] <nacc> ash_workz: typically means it's unkillable now
[15:36] <ash_workz> nacc: how do I reap it?
[15:36] <EriC^^> howare you trying to kill it?
[15:36] <ash_workz> EriC^^: I tried kill pid and kill -9 pid
[15:37] <nacc> ash_workz: is it a zombie? Z for state
[15:37] <pavlos> ash_workz: ps aux | grep ls
[15:38] <ash_workz> nacc: unconfirmed
[15:38] <ash_workz> pavlos: thanks, I have discovered 3 other ls's
[15:38] <ash_workz> o.o;
[15:39] <pavlos> ash_workz: "sudo kill -9 pid" should kill
[15:39] <ash_workz> nacc: unconfirmed == zombie?
[15:39] <ash_workz> pavlos: I'm root; it's not
[15:41] <ash_workz> .. :(
[15:41] <pavlos> ash_workz: as others wrote, is state Z (zombie) ?
[15:42] <ash_workz> oh, I thought Z meant "add Z to see state"
[15:42] <nacc> ash_workz: ps -axo pid,state | grep pid
[15:42] <nacc> ash_workz: and see if it says 'pid,Z'
[15:42] <ash_workz> STAT is state? they're all D
[15:43] <nacc> well, you can't general kill something that's in uninterrupible sleep
[15:43] <nacc> it's blocked, masking interrupts in the kernel, on IO usually
[15:43] <ash_workz> nacc: what should I do?
[15:44] <nacc> ash_workz: well, presumably there is some IO going on. YOu can wait for it to finish, presuming it's not a zombie
[15:44] <nacc> ash_workz: and then it will go away, aiui
[15:44] <ash_workz> nacc: well, here's what happened
[15:45] <ash_workz> nacc: I wanted to truncate the access log; so I did `: > access.log`
[15:45] <ash_workz> nacc: then I thought, I shouldn't have used the colon, so I tried ^C
[15:46] <ash_workz> that hanged, so I reopened the terminal and tried `> access.log`
[15:46] <ash_workz> (I actually cancelled it immediately thinking it would be best to throw it in a screen)
[15:47] <nacc> ash_workz: not sure i understand what you mean by `: >`? and ` >` ?
[15:47] <ash_workz> nacc: to truncate the file
[15:47] <nacc> ash_workz: why wouldn't you just use `truncate` ?
[15:47] <ash_workz> I didn't realize I could; I thought `> file` was the best way to truncate
[15:48] <tgm4883> truncate is the best way to truncate
[15:48] <ash_workz> nacc: would it be unwise to do that now?
[15:48] <ash_workz> tgm4883: ~.~
[15:48] <ash_workz> D:
[15:48] <nacc> ash_workz: i've never seen that syntax, tbh
[15:48] <ash_workz> nacc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe its a bash thing
[15:49] <ash_workz> idk
[15:49] <ash_workz> but should I try to `truncate` now?
[15:49] <mitmf> sed -i 's/gitrev.*/gitbranch: master/' ~/.pybombs/recipes/gr-recipes/gr-iio.lwr   <— what it means?
[15:49] <tgm4883> I don't see how that would help
[15:50] <nacc> ash_workz: it wont' unstick your stuck processes
[15:50] <nacc> ash_workz: i don't think
[15:50] <nacc> mitmf: you wan to know what sed does?
[15:50] <mitmf> correct
[15:50] <mitmf> nacc: :)
[15:50] <ash_workz> nacc: what should I do about the stuck processes?
[15:50] <ash_workz> -es
[15:50] <tgm4883> ash_workz: reboot
[15:50] <nacc> mitmf: a) `man sed`; b) it substitutes in place (-i) for the regular expression 'gitrev.*' the fixed string 'gitbranch: master'
[15:50] <nacc> mitmf: that substitution happens specifically in that recipe file
[15:51] <ash_workz> nacc: do you agree with that idea?
[15:51] <mitmf> thanks nacc :)
[15:51] <ioria> ash_workz, sorry, where you see 'unconfirmed '  ? in ps status ?
[15:51] <tgm4883> cause you need two random people on the internet to agree before you trust them?
[15:51] <nacc> ash_workz: i think rebooting is generally the only recovery from zombie processes -- for D processes, there's not much you can do other than as well, if you've already killed the parent
[15:51] <nacc> ash_workz: killed the parent = killed the shell
[15:51] <ash_workz> tgm4883: I'm just hesitant to reboot
[15:52] <tgm4883> ash_workz: because this is a production web server?
[15:52] <ash_workz> tgm4883: D:
[15:52] <tgm4883> ash_workz: it's not clustered either is it
[15:52] <ash_workz> tgm4883: no
[15:52] <pavlos> ash_workz: do all those processes have the same ppid ? can you kill the ppid?
[15:53] <nacc> pavlos: good idea
[15:54] <ash_workz> if ls is hanging because it's still trying to open and close that really big file; then I think the more important issue is the state of that process (the whole `> file`) thing
[15:56] <ash_workz> like is there a way to determine whats going on with a specific file?
[15:56] <ioria> ash_workz,  how do you know is a zombie process ?
[15:56] <ash_workz> ioria: I don't; it's in state D
[15:57] <ioria> uninterruptible sleep
[15:57] <ioria> man ps
[15:58] <pavlos> ash_workz: ps -axo pid,stat,ppid,cmd | grep ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:58] <ash_workz> ioria: I mean, that depends on what we are talking about.... I am trying to truncate a file; it was massive; I attempted : > file; but that was taking a long time, so I attempted > file and *that* was taking a long time; and I then I realized I should have used `truncate` all along
[16:00] <mitmf> sudo ldconfig  <— what it means?
[16:00] <ioria> ash_workz, quoting: the uninterruptable sleep means the process will not be woken up by signals. It can be only woken up by what it's waiting for
[16:00] <ash_workz> pavlos: https://gist.github.com/ash-m/04569e6e04efd258a092ec08135d90fd
[16:02] <ash_workz> the parents are all -su
[16:02] <pavlos> ash_workz: which process run as 4640?
[16:02] <ash_workz> pavlos: ^
[16:03] <nacc> mitmf: `man ldconfig`. You can educate yourself a bit.
[16:03] <mitmf> thanks :)
[16:04] <ash_workz> Is there a way to find out what state this file is in? I think I totally nerfed the hell out if it.
[16:05] <freelancerbob> how can i list all running services ? systemctl list-units  ?
[16:08] <freelancerbob>  systemctl list-units  | grep running does not work
[16:11] <tgm4883> ash_workz: fubared, not nerfed. In any case, I still think it would be easier to adjust your app to log to a different file (assuming it's apache or nginx) and then worry about that fubared file later when you can reboot the box
[16:17] <ash_workz> tgm4883: thanks
[16:17] <ioria> ash_workz, i don't think files have a 'state', processes have
[16:21] <johnfg_> hi folks!
[16:21] <johnfg_> What's the best vim-improved/gvim for ubuntu-16.04?  Have quite a few choices, and I'm thinking whichever one would integrate best with the default DE.
[16:22] <johnfg_> Also, when I'm in irssi, as I am now, on my other machines, Alt-# changes to whatever window.  But apparently that is bound by ubuntu's DE.
[16:22] <johnfg_> Is there a workaround/fix for this?
[16:39] <krytarik> johnfg_: The latter is related to the used terminal app - workaround is to just disable the menu bar.
[16:47] <ash_workz> box is hanging on a reboot command
[16:53] <ash_workz> sometimes, my shell just randomly jumps into a mode where the mouse wheel will act like it does in screen (scroll through commands) rather than actually scroll up on the window; but C-a d doesn't disconnect from a screen.
[16:54] <ash_workz> any ideas why that could be?
[16:56] <ash_workz> I mean, I was in a screen on an ssh session
[16:56] <ash_workz> maybe that's a bug?
[16:56] <johnfg_> krytarik: where do I do that?  I don't see the kind of menu for it that I'm used to.
[16:58] <krytarik> johnfg_: I'd just right-click in the terminal window and go from there.
[16:58] <ash_workz> I'd like to try to reproduce this... is there a way to kick myself off an ssh session as though the box is rebooting?
[16:59] <johnfg_> krytarik: That disabled the menu bar (when I deselected it), but Alt-# is still effecting the desktop itself, not irssi.
[17:00] <krytarik> johnfg_: And does what exactly?
[17:02] <johnfg_> alt-1 goes to search; alt-2 shows the terminal menu at the top of the screen.
[17:02] <johnfg_> The others don't do anything, I guess.
[17:03] <johnfg_> so my nickserv window is 3 in irssi, but Alt-3 doesn't take me there.
[17:04] <mcphail> johnfg_: you can use "Esc" then "Number" in irrsi if you can't find a way to unmap the Alt keybindings
[17:04] <mcphail> *irssi
[17:05] <johnfg_> mcphail: beautiful!  Just what  I wanted to know.  I was using /window #, but your way's quicker.  Thanks guys!
[17:05] <mcphail> :)
[17:05] <johnfg_> This is a brand new ubuntu-16.04.3 LTS, with root on zfs, vm.
[17:06] <johnfg_> Any idea if I did an upgrade to a more recent version, would everything with zfs still work?
[17:08] <johnfg_> Also, why don't the .10 versions show up?
[17:09] <krytarik> !upgradeofflts | johnfg_
[17:09] <johnfg_> I had seen that there were instructions for installing root on zfs for 16.10, but it was hard to find that iso.
[17:41] <chosi> hi. is there a way to fix poettering's miraculous systemd-resolvd behavior with search domains without installing dnsmasq? search domains just don't work for me in 17.04
[17:42] <JonelethIrenicus> why does installing php-cli continuously run /usr/lib/php/sessionclean ?
[17:43] <chosi> probably the same reason debian does this JonelethIrenicus
[17:43] <krytarik> johnfg_: See if this helps: https://askubuntu.com/questions/122209/how-do-i-modify-or-disable-the-huds-use-of-the-alt-key
[17:43] <chosi> https://serverfault.com/questions/511609/why-does-debian-clean-php-sessions-with-a-cron-job-instead-of-using-phps-built
[17:45] <JonelethIrenicus> chosi: makes sense thanks
[17:45] <madLyfe> is the default network icon in ubuntu desktop the universal wireless icon?
[17:45] <madLyfe> i dont remember seeing that when using the live usb on a wired connection
[17:48] <loppy2> does ubuntu or linux in general have any open source drivers that may work in a hp all in one printer mainly for the ability to scan as it seems to have drivers already for print and fax..I already know i could probably get driver from hp website but i was wanting to see if there was any open source drivers that may work with a scanning device
[17:50] <TrentP> loppy2, can you scan from the printer's web gui?
[17:50] <loppy2> dunno
[17:51] <loppy2> i havent before with this device
[17:51] <loppy2> before when i used it on windows i used the hp drivers
[17:53] <oerheks> hp-lip package
[17:53] <oerheks> !info hplip
[17:53] <loppy2> thanks i just saw that on the hp site lol
[17:53] <oerheks> and "their notes" http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install.html
[17:53] <loppy2> im suprised they are pointing to a open source driver
[17:53] <nacc> loppy2: i have an hp photosmart c4480 sitting next to me and scanning 'just works'
[17:53] <nacc> loppy2: with no extra drivers of any kind
[17:54] <oerheks> says use ubuntu's repos
[17:54] <loppy2> i can try it might just work :)
[17:54] <loppy2> i had assumed it would not out of the box thanks
[17:54] <nacc> loppy2: i'd try it first :) i was surprised too, but it's worked for me since 16.04
[17:54] <oerheks> all you need is to 'ok' the UELA
[17:54] <loppy2> nice
[17:54] <nacc> loppy2: on each release since
[17:54] <loppy2> cool
[17:54] <nacc> loppy2: i'm assuming it's relatively model specific (some models may not be to spec, etc.)
[17:54] <loppy2> well apparently hplip is the one hp recommends anyway so
[17:54] <DJones> loppy2: I've had 2 HP printer/scanners etc, they've all worked out of the box for printing & scanning
[17:55] <oerheks> HP, Epson and Samsung work OOTB
[17:55] <loppy2> i plan on trying real soon thanks
[18:01] <loppy2> simple scan works
[18:01] <nacc> loppy2: nice :)
[18:01] <ycyclist> Okay, now that I have railed on #web, I want to know:  How do I put comments in resolv.conf.
[18:02] <badet0s> #
[18:02] <ycyclist> Why do I see ;?
[18:03] <badet0s> then you use ;
[18:03] <cortexman> i am not getting proper 3d acceleration in an app i am using. i am running xenial and have integrated Intel HD Graphics 5500. here is glxinfo: https://gist.github.com/brianmingus/1a50cd69bd36600b0051093e26150c5b
[18:03] <badet0s> Lines that contain a semicolon (;) or hash character (#) in the first
[18:03] <badet0s>        column are treated as comments.
[18:03] <ycyclist> There should be a protocol doc that says what can be in there.  Like an RFC.  Anybody know what it's called in Googleable strings?
[18:03] <nacc> ycyclist: you could bother to read `man resolv.conf` ?
[18:04] <badet0s> 'man resolf.conf
[18:04] <ycyclist> Ok.
[18:04] <badet0s> '
[18:04] <nacc> ycyclist: specifically, the last line of DESCRIPTION
[18:05] <ycyclist> Thank you.  Found it.  I'll repost to #web.
[18:07] <johnfg_> do nfs exports need to be in /srv?
[18:10] <cortexman_> i don't have proper 3d rendering support. i'm running Intel HD 5500 integrated graphics on Ubuntu Xenial. some glxinfo output: https://gist.github.com/brianmingus/2adccded6bb42540bb22dccf14242bd8
[18:10] <cortexman_> anyone have any ideas?
[18:11] <Ben64> cortexman_: did you install the vmware whatever for 3d accel
[18:11] <cortexman_> not on purpose..
[18:11] <Ben64> well you probably have to
[18:12] <cortexman_> i'm not using vmware
[18:13] <Ben64>  Vendor: VMware, Inc. (0xffffffff)
[18:13] <cortexman_> yeah...
[18:13] <Ben64> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
[18:13] <Ben64> yes you are
[18:13] <cortexman_> that's not really a helpful response
[18:13] <cortexman_> i know it says vmware
[18:13] <cortexman_> i am not running on vmware.
[18:15] <cortexman_> similar issue https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/207855/cant-get-intel-hd-5500-graphics-to-work-with-debian
[18:15] <cortexman_> brb
[18:15] <nacc> cortexman_: usign hwe stack?
[18:17] <cortexman> i installed xserver-xorg-video-intel but that didn't fix it
[18:18] <nacc> cortexman_: that's not the hwe stack
[18:18] <cortexman> nacc - what's that mean?
[18:18] <nacc> cortexman_: what does `uname -r` report?
[18:18] <nacc> !hwe | cortexman_
[18:21] <madmanonmeds> every so often the volume control just pops up then goes away all of it's own accord, is there a way to make it stop that, ubuntu 16.04.03
[18:22] <cortexman> try cleaning your keyboard first..
[18:23] <madmanonmeds> brand new keyboard
[18:24] <cortexman> did it happen with the old one
[18:25] <cortexman> brb
[18:25] <madmanonmeds> I never tried the old one with the new system
[18:25] <cortexman> try it :)
[18:38] <Tri3125> Someone here was helping me fix my dual boot setup for ubuntu/windows, and I was trying to get a windows install USB to work. He told me to boot it in UEFI mode, but if I do non-secure it shows up as a diskette drive instead of a USB stick and selecting it tells me that BOOTMGR is missing, and if I use non-secure it doesn't show up at all
[18:40] <Tri3125> I'm creating the USB stick by taking a windows 8 install ISO, right clicking it, selecting Disk Image Writer, and then selecting the USB stick and pressing "start restoring".
[18:41] <EriC^^> Tri3125: hey
[18:41] <EriC^^> Tri3125: are you extracting it to a fat32 partition?
[18:42] <Tri3125> No, I had it at NTFS. That must have been the problem
[18:43] <EriC^^> Tri3125: yeah it needs to be fat32
[18:45] <Apachez> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI  spacex launch in about T minus 5 min
[18:50] <japro> Hi, so I upgraded a rarely used machine from 14.04 to 16.04 and now i can't bring up the ethernet connection. apparently this has something to do with /run/resolvconf/interface not existing, which it indeed does't but i also have no clue about what is supposed to be in there? do i create and edit that by hand? should some script/tool generate that?
[18:52] <scottmmjackson> On an Ubuntu 14 box, with upstart as init, child threads of a service that call `pam_open_session` are being killed with SIGHUP by systemd-logind. Anyone know what might cause this behavior?
[18:55] <ioria> japro, i'd first check  sudo lshw -c Network (or lspci -k | grep -i Ethe -A 2)  if the correct module is loaded
[18:57] <Tri3125> Now it just says that it failed to boot. No idea why
[18:57] <danomite> Can I download a package from 17.04 and install it on 16.04 ?
[18:59] <pavlos> danomite: best not to mix packages from diff releases ... you might hit dep issues
[18:59] <japro> ioria, seems like it. it's an intel adapter. It also shows eth0 when i run ifconfig -a (not without the -a though)
[19:00] <ioria> japro, run 'ip a' and confirm that the interface name is eth0
[19:01] <danomite> pavlos, I'm willing to take the risk, how can I go about downloading the package
[19:02] <japro> that shows 1: lo... 2: eth0 ...
[19:02] <ioria> japro, dmesg | grep -i eth0
[19:02] <blackbird1> !paste
[19:03] <japro> the last message is "eth0: link becomes ready" no errors
[19:03] <ioria> japro, so ?
[19:04] <ioria> japro, running 'ip a' , STATE of eth0 is UP or DOWN
[19:04] <scottmmjackson> FWIW #systemd told me to come here. I posted in #upstart too, but no luck there either.
[19:05] <nacc> japro: how did you upgrade?
[19:05] <blackbird1> Hi, my usb flash drive is not recognized. Here the results of some command http://paste.ubuntu.com/25384670/
[19:05] <blackbird1> commands*
[19:05] <japro> hmm, ok it indeed does work now *scratches head*
[19:06] <ioria> japro, me too
[19:06] <pavlos> danomite: https://askubuntu.com/questions/103320/install-packages-from-newer-release-without-building-apt-pinning
[19:06] <nacc> but I would highly suggest not going down that route, tbh
[19:06] <nacc> danomite: --^
[19:07] <ioria> scottmmjackson, we don't know  where/how/when you got that error and about what
[19:07] <japro> nacc, i did a do-release-upgrade from console
[19:08] <nacc> japro: ok, so the /run/resolvconf was a redherring? it works now?
[19:08] <danomite> nacc, i have looked at the package's dependencies between zesty and xenial and it looks like it could be possible
[19:08] <nacc> scottmmjackson: an ubuntu service or one you wrote?
[19:08] <nacc> danomite: it's still not recommended and you put youself into an unsupported state
[19:10] <scottmmjackson> nacc: custom. debugging a product that spawns child processes in new pam sessions, we found that those child processes were getting sent SIGHUP (and dying, because they don't trap for it). We set up a test with just the process that spawns the child thread, passed it `sleep 1`, and put all of that behind strace
[19:10] <japro> nacc, maybe. although that was just one of the issues. i suspect there is something larger broken. it also hangs during boot with something about a truncated module and i can't run apt due to libstdc++6 missing
[19:10] <pavlos> danomite: try it on a VM -- if it doesnt work, destroy VM
[19:10] <japro> also after a reboot network doesn't work again and i have no clue what of the previous steps made it work
[19:10] <scottmmjackson> nacc: strace is telling me that our children are getting sent SIGHUP from `systemd-logind` and dying.
[19:11] <scottmmjackson> As far as we know this only happens on Ubuntu 14.04, confirmed on vagrant and an AWS instance.
[19:12] <nacc> !info libstdc++6 xenial | japro
[19:12] <nacc> japro: not sure what you mean by 'missing'
[19:12] <danomite> I'd really not want to go through pinning, just the apt file is what i'd like to try
[19:12] <japro> apparently "dhclient eth0" fixes it despite resolvconf giving an error about the missing directory when doing to
[19:13] <nacc> scottmmjackson: perhaps does your logind.conf have KillUserProcesses=yes ?
[19:13] <nacc> scottmmjackson: (from cursory googling)
[19:14] <scottmmjackson> Nah, the KillUserProcesses line is commented out
[19:14] <scottmmjackson> Yeah, I saw that thread too.
[19:14] <nacc> scottmmjackson: um, default is yes
[19:14] <ioria> japro, did you fully upgrade the trusty box before do-relase-upgrade ?
[19:14] <nacc> scottmmjackson: per the manpage
[19:14]  * blackbird1 is hitting his head against the wall
[19:15] <nacc> blackbird1: it looks like a hw disconnect
[19:15] <nacc> blackbird1: can you try with a different port?
[19:16] <blackbird1> nacc: In the same port other usb works.
[19:16] <scottmmjackson> nacc: man logind.conf says the default is no.
[19:16] <nacc> blackbird1: that seems irrelevant
[19:16] <nacc> blackbird1: i mean, to this particular usb drive not working
[19:16] <nacc> scottmmjackson: i was looking at my current system, let me spin up a trusty system
[19:16] <scottmmjackson> nacc: systemd 204 for reference
[19:16] <blackbird1> Yes
[19:17] <japro> ioria, to the best of my knowledge
[19:17] <ioria> japro, can you paste cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log  ?
[19:17] <nacc> scottmmjackson: ah i see they changed it, sorry
[19:18] <nacc> scottmmjackson: pam_systemd also mentions kill-session-process=
[19:18] <scottmmjackson> nacc: no worries. If it helps, I've noticed that wrapping the upstart config's exec stanza in `su` prevents the children from being HUP'd
[19:19] <scottmmjackson> yeah, I just saw that in the manpage. let me see if there's any clue there.
[19:19] <japro> trying to wget and dpkg the libstc++6 manually showed me that apparently it was not intalled because it would have broken "powertop". after dpkg -r'ing that it installed fine and apt works again
[19:21] <scottmmjackson> Hmm, `kill-session-processes` would be in the PAM service, no? It's the default `su` service, which doesn't seem to contain that line.
[19:21] <blackbird1> nacc: Even gparted deosn't recognize it !
[19:23] <japro> ah screw this. i should just do a clean install really. now apt doesn't error out due to libstdc++ but it can't seem to upgrade since stuff would somehow conflict with the manually dpkg'ed libstdc++ or so
[19:23] <japro> and apt-get -f install exists "because there were too many errors"
[19:26] <eb0t> test
[19:26] <blackbird1> I think that I need Windows to format it !!!!
[19:28]  * blackbird1 is disappointed
[19:29] <scottmmjackson> blackbird1: have you opened /dev/sdc in `parted`?
[19:29] <blackbird1> gparted deosn't recognize it !
[19:30] <scottmmjackson> console parted doesn't either, I assume?
[19:30] <blackbird1> scottmmjackson: Yes
[19:32] <renn0xtk9> I got a problem with unmet dependencies :  gammaray : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-5-1    however as of https://packages.ubuntu.com/de/xenial/qtbase-abi-5-5-1 it should be in libqt5core5a which is already installed
[19:32] <pavlos> blackbird1: sudo fdisk -l does not list it?
[19:32] <renn0xtk9> any idea what the probelm is?
[19:33] <blackbird1> pavlos: Yes, fdisk -l doesn't list it
[19:34] <scottmmjackson> blackbird1: what exactly is returned when you try `parted /dev/sdc print`?
[19:34] <eb0t> have you tried gdisk
[19:36] <eb0t> or try changing your sata cable or checking connection
[19:36] <blackbird1> scottmmjackson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25384806/
[19:37] <blackbird1> eb0t: No matter with cable, other flashs are recognized
[19:37] <scottmmjackson> blackbird1: has this drive been formatted before, or is it straight from the factory?
[19:41] <scottmmjackson> blackbird1: if it's a brand new drive with no data on it, then I think I know what your problem is.
[19:41] <scottmmjackson> Easy solution too.
[19:42] <scottmmjackson> The solution will wipe the drive, though. So I don't want to drop it unless I'm sure that this is a brand new drive.
[19:44] <scottmmjackson> nacc: If you think it'd help I can paste you some of the strace logs I've gathered. I don't know that they say much about what systemd is doing other than it hates my service's child processes and wants them to HUP.
[19:45] <pavlos> blackbird1: not sure if this was asked before ... do you have a usb_storage in lsmod ?
[19:47] <scottmmjackson> blackbird1: what does `sudo lsusb -D /dev/bus/usb/001/008` return?
[19:51] <Tri3125> Has anyone here made a windows 8 install USB stick before?
[19:52] <pavlos> Tri3125: I think there is a "rufus" win program
[19:53] <genii> Tri3125: More a question for ##windows channel than here.
[19:55] <OnkelTem_> Hi all. I've installed Kubuntu 16.04 and have problems with wallet. I don't know why but after 2-3 restarts it's now asking me for a password. And when I type my user password it doesn't match!
[19:55] <OnkelTem_> I've reinstalled whole system (not due to this issue only) but got absolutely the same behaviour
[19:55] <OnkelTem_> Any ideas?
[19:57] <OnkelTem> Basically, the wallet asks for password which I have never set
[19:59] <Azrael_-> can you provide me a guide to install and configure icinga2 with classicui to monitor the local machine? i can't find one in the net
[20:01] <ikhthus> OnkelTem: There's a way to disable it if you'd like.
[20:02] <OnkelTem> ikhthus: I can't open my wallet now
[20:03] <ikhthus> OnkelTem: Are you looking to continue using the wallet and just change the password?
[20:03] <white_knight> I'm trying dual boot ubuntu and windows 7
[20:03] <ikhthus> white_knight: Why not Windows 10?
[20:03] <white_knight> I'm not sure how to partition my disk ()
[20:03] <OnkelTem> ikhthus: yes, I think I need just that. But since I'm on a new system there are not much of the password stored there
[20:04] <white_knight> ikhthus: I encountered many problems with windows 10
[20:04] <ikhthus> OnkelTem: I was able to find https://askubuntu.com/questions/22154/how-to-reset-a-password-from-kwallet
[20:04] <OnkelTem> ikhthus: but I've already deleted this wallet before, and it was recreated, but the hting is that it goes the same way - asking me for what I've never set
[20:04] <ikhthus> white_knight: Windows 10 is screwy with older hardware I've experience myself.
[20:05] <white_knight> I'm currently using ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and I don't want to parition my disk with not knowing how
[20:05] <kenrin> How do you want to partition it ?
[20:06] <pavlos> Azrael_-: https://www.vultr.com/docs/how-to-install-icinga-2-and-icinga-web-2-on-ubuntu-16-04
[20:06] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QakJoRAR/irccloudcapture683196535.jpg
[20:06] <madLyfe> wtf does that mean? I installed desktop to the microSD card just fine then that on reboot
[20:08] <kenrin> madLyfe: I think that error is when the boot is not at the beginning of the disk
[20:08] <kenrin> Did you partition it correctly ?
[20:09] <madLyfe> i just let desktop do its thing from the iso
[20:09] <madLyfe> it did it once for me, then i did it a second time by selecting erase everything and install ubuntu
[20:10] <kenrin> So you installed to the sdcard.  Did you manually edit grub afterwards ?
[20:10] <ash_workz>  /join #security
[20:10] <madLyfe> nah, this is just after the reboot that happens after the install is done
[20:10] <kenrin> I've never had an install to a usb or sdcard work unless I manually edit or fix the grub after the install
[20:11] <kenrin> Might just be trying to boot from the wrong place
[20:11] <madLyfe> what does one do to fix it?
[20:13] <kenrin> I forget the exact option but It should be in the advanced options if you boot using the install disc.  Something like reinstall grub|boot loader to removable media
[20:19] <blackbird1> scottmmjackson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25384979/
[20:19] <blackbird1> [20:45:33] <pavlos> blackbird1: not sure if this was asked before ... do you have a usb_storage in lsmod ? How to know it ?
[20:20] <blackbird1> scottmmjackson: it's not new one
[20:22] <pavlos> blackbird1: lsmod | grep usb (probably you have it since you mention other usb sticks mount ok
[20:23] <blackbird1> pavlos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25384986/
[20:24] <white_knight> I got disconnected from the channel due to low bandwidth, but anyway
[20:25] <white_knight> I'm trying to partition disk for dual boot ubuntu 16.04 LTS and windows 7
[20:26] <pavlos> white_knight: best to partition the disk from win7 ... there is somewhere Disk Management
[20:27] <kenrin> Didn't he say he already had ubuntu installed first?  that is going to be fun fixing grub|efi afterwards if he installs windows last
[20:27] <white_knight> pavlos: I'm currently using ubuntu
[20:28] <kenrin> Might want to just wipe and do a win7 install,  then ubuntu after
[20:28] <white_knight> kenrin: what about my date then?
[20:28] <kenrin> date?
[20:29] <kenrin> data?
[20:29] <kenrin> I assume you have backups or a separate partition just for data you don't need to delete
[20:29] <pavlos> white_knight: you run ubuntu, you want to make room to your disk and install win7?
[20:29] <scottmmjackson> blackbird1: https://www.google.com/search?q=058f%3A1234+ubuntu seems to indicate that your problem is very frequent. Does it work on any other operating system?
[20:30] <white_knight> pavlos: yeah That's what I'm going to do, but I don't know how to partition
[20:30] <antonm> Hi
[20:31] <pavlos> white_knight: since you run on the disk now, it is wise to reboot and using a live CD make room in your disk using gparted.
[20:34] <white_knight> pavlos: here is my disk: https://gist.github.com/1976fb854b11100feaa42a6fe4510a57
[20:34] <white_knight> pavlos: I don't know how to make room for windows 7
[20:34] <japro> of course it's that kind of day where i manage to somehow even screw up a fresh install. what is going wrong when grub gives me "file not found" and and command on the grub rescue console other than ls also gives that error?
[20:35] <kenrin> grub rescue console isn't a shell bro
[20:35] <kenrin> It is to fix grub issues so you can get TO a shell
[20:35] <OnkelTem> Guys
[20:36] <japro> well ok, now that the semantics are out of the way :)
[20:36] <OnkelTem> How to make KDE wallet to stop asking me my password?
[20:36] <ppkuma> Hi, I'm having problems with ubuntu-xboxdrv. My controller is acting up on rocket league so I tried to modify the configuration and now, on top that it still isn't working I'm getting an error in apt-update. Can you guys help me? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25385055/
[20:36] <pavlos> white_knight: your disk is nvme and since you run on it (it is mounted), you cannot resize it
[20:36] <OnkelTem> It is THE SAME as my user passowrd, but it continues asking me
[20:37] <kenrin> How is that semantics?  You asked what is going wrong when you can't run commands on grub rescue.  The answer is it isn't a shell, it doesn't have those commands.  Only a very limited set
[20:38] <white_knight> pavlos: I knew I should have asked. What would you do to dual boot?
[20:39] <japro> kenrin, oh, what i meant is that the "commands" that supposedly should work in grub rescue give me that. apprently i'm supposed to set prefix etc and then do "insmod normal" which in turn just tells me "file not found"
[20:39] <pavlos> white_knight: if I had a disk 500GB, I would install win7 firat, then shrink the disk to 250 GB. Then using a live CD I'd install ubuntu on that unused disk dual boot
[20:40] <pavlos> white_knight: first*
[20:40] <white_knight> pavlos: I see...so I should wipe off disk including ubuntu?
[20:40] <kenrin> japro: May be trying to set the prefix on the wrong partition.  You can use ls (hd0,blahblah) to see what filesystem it is and set correctly accordingly
[20:41] <japro> yep, i picked the one that shows the fitting directory structure
[20:41] <pavlos> white_knight: here's a guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[20:41] <japro> i probably once more screwed something up with relation to uefi or so
[20:41] <japro> does a uefi boot usb stick imply that i'm attempting a uefi install?
[20:42] <kenrin> yes
[20:42] <kenrin> You might have to use a livecd and check the efibootmgr to make sure everything is correct
[20:42] <japro> in that case i'd like to blame the confusing popup during install :p
[20:42] <adam_mc3> Did anyone get Ubuntu to work on the MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2017, Four Thunderbolt 3 Ports)
[20:43] <japro> it gave me a warning about the uefi install and allowed me to either "go back" or "continue", so i did "go back" and it never mentioned uefi again
[20:43] <white_knight> pavlos: only reason why I want windows is because of league of legends XD
[20:43] <japro> which made me assume i'm not doing an uefi install
[20:43] <Azrael_-> pavlos: thx
[20:43] <akik> anybody know why grub says "error: invalid video mode specification 'text'" when i set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text in /etc/default/grub ?
[20:44] <white_knight> pavlos: I tried lutris and playonlinux, but encountered problems since it's pc game
[20:44] <white_knight> Is there anyone playing league of legends on ubuntu 16.04?
[20:45] <pavlos> white_knight: there is "wine" that allows pc games to play on linux but I dont have experience in that
[20:46] <kenrin> japro: If you want to install non-uefi you have to enable legacy support in the bios and also NOT select the uefi usb drive.  It should have a separate one for just legacy boot usb
[20:47] <firefishe> So I've been away from deb-based distros for a while, and I'm rusty.  Just installed 16.04 LTS.  What's the command for installing the development stack?
[20:47] <kenrin> It does get confusing
[20:47] <akik> firefishe: sudo apt-get install build-essential gets you started
[20:47] <pavlos> blackbird1: did you have any success on the usb issue?
[20:48] <firefishe> build-essential!  That's it!  Thanks :-)
[20:48] <Bashing-om> !edge
[20:48] <blackbird1> No pavlos
[20:48] <blackbird1> I have an upgrade problem now !
[20:49] <blackbird1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25385124/
[20:50] <pavlos> blackbird1: if the usb does not appear in dmesg , idk ... scottmmjackson had an idea iirc
[20:51] <madLyfe> quickest way to test internet on desktop?
[20:51] <Bashing-om> !info libgl1-mesa-dri zesty
[20:51] <madLyfe> opening a browser is too slow
[20:51] <madLyfe> key combo for terminal?
[20:51] <kenrin> ping google.com ?
[20:52] <blackbird1> pavlos: it appears, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25385138/
[20:52] <madLyfe> how to get to terminal?
[20:52] <kenrin> ctrl-alt-t or search for terminal in menu
[20:53] <madLyfe> kenrin: i dont think i need to worry about that microSD/grub issue anymore. found a way around. i think.
[20:54] <OnkelTem> Guys, how to remove KDE wallet and use something else?
[20:54] <OnkelTem> Is there an alternative to it?
[20:56] <pavlos> blackbird1: it appears as sdc w/o partition ?
[20:57] <blackbird1> pavlos: I don't know sdb or sdc !
[20:57] <pavlos> blackbird1: and lsblk does not list it
[20:58] <blackbird1> pavlos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25385175/
[20:59] <pavlos> blackbird1: but the SCSI entry in the previous paste shows [sdc]
[20:59] <blackbird1> I'm confused too
[21:01] <dersand> Is there a package in the package management somewhere that I would be able to install some BSD date implementation?
[21:01] <dersand> (for portability testing)
[21:10] <pavlos> blackbird1: can you try this, sudo lshw | grep 'logical name'
[21:12] <blackbird1> pavlos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25385262/
[21:13] <chrisseaton> How can I understand how a package name like `zlib1g (1:1.2.8.dfsg-1ubuntu1)` is derived and what all the components mean? How does `zlib 1.2.8` become `zlib1g (1:1.2.8.dfsg-1ubuntu1)`?
[21:14] <pavlos> blackbird1: let's zero it out, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=4M
[21:16] <pavlos> blackbird1: Then create a partition with "sudo fdisk /dev/sdc" and format with "sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1"
[21:16] <blackbird1> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=4M
[21:16] <blackbird1> dd: failed to open '/dev/sdc': No medium found
[21:17] <kenrin> chrisseaton: It is mostly debian derivied from their naming policy.  Here is a good askubuntu with links on it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620533/how-does-ubuntu-name-packages
[21:17] <pavlos> blackbird1: I'm out of ideas ...
[21:17] <Bashing-om> pavlos: blackbird1:: NVME device ?
[21:19] <chrisseaton> kenrin: thanks, but I still can't figure out the `1g` part - you don't know that do you?
[21:20] <kenrin> That is a debian thing.  I'm not sure
[21:20] <pavlos> Bashing-om: I suggested he backs up his data from ubuntu, then install win7, shrink disk with win7, then install ubuntu dual boot
[21:20] <blackbird1> Bashing-om: I don't understand your question
[21:21] <pavlos> Bashing-om: I think I replied wrong ... blackbird1 has a usb that is not recognized but white_knight have a disk NVME
[21:23] <ppkuma> Hi, I'm having problems with ubuntu-xboxdrv. My controller is acting up on rocket league so I tried to modify the configuration and now, on top that it still isn't working I'm getting an error in apt-update. Can you guys help me? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25385055/
[21:23] <Bashing-om> pavlos: blackbird1 -  I have not followed closely . Is this a new SSD that you want to set up as dual boot ? NEW New maybe it is NVME and the driver needs to be pulled in ?
[21:24] <blackbird1> Bashing-om: I have an usb that is not recognized
[21:24] <kenrin> chrisseaton: According to link it means they had to change the package name and modify it because the original package did not meet the free software guidelines: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_does_.2BIBw-dfsg.2BIB0_or_.2BIBw-ds.2BIB0_in_the_version_string_mean.3F
[21:24] <kenrin> Sort of offtopic for here but interesting stuff
[21:24] <pavlos> Bashing-om: blackbird1 has a usb stick that dmesg reports as [sdc] but lsblk does not list it
[21:25] <chrisseaton> kenrin: thanks
[21:25] <Bashing-om> blackbird1: pavlos - Can not hurt to try one time boot : Add the following kernel argument at boot time: nvme_load=YES .
[21:29] <fishcooker> noted, but thanks harrydg
[21:29] <nacc> kenrin: chrisseaton: the naming of binary packages has nothing to do with the dfsg (afaik). The 1 has to do with the SOVERSION and the g, I'm not 100% on. I think it's partially a rename from libz1 -> zlib1g.
[21:29] <ramsub07> Hi, I have samba running and if i connect to smb://server, i don't see the home directory. is there something else i need to do?
[21:30] <compdoc_> ramsub07, you dont want to share your home directory, do you?
[21:30] <ramsub07> compdoc_: just a specific directory
[21:30] <ramsub07> is it vulnerable ?
[21:32] <compdoc_> you define a share in /etc/samba/smb.conf, then restart the smbd service
[21:32] <pavlos> ramsub07: there is a browseable = yes option for your [share]
[21:32] <compdoc_> so only that share is seen by the name you give it
[21:32] <ramsub07> pavlos: where do i set that?
[21:32] <ramsub07> compdoc_: where ?
[21:33] <pavlos> ramsub07: in your [share] after path = ... , writable = no,  guest ok = yes
[21:33] <genii> man smb.conf ...if you like reams of documentation
[21:34] <kenrin> Yeah the g is confusing.  The answer is probably buried somewhere in a mailing list
[21:34] <ramsub07> pavlos: umm.. i actually type the address on top of Nautilus. so i'm not pretty sure where to do that step?
[21:35] <pavlos> ramsub07: add to your smb.conf example: [public]    path = /mnt/public    browsable = yes
[21:35] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[21:35] <blackbird1> pavlos,nacc, Bashing-om, scottmmjackson, thanks anyway. I'll try to format it on a Windows OS and see what will happen
[21:35] <fishcooker> i've used to used gmrun to execute some commandS on the path... now i've just switch to lxqt-runner but i can't execute the files/commands on the $PATH this is my conf and the PATH http://vpaste.net/9CdLd
[21:36] <pavlos> blackbird1: let us know what happens ...
[21:36] <Umeaboy> I just installed Zesty using the desktop iso for amd64 on my ASUS laptop and as I change the screen resolution from 3840 x 2160 (16:9) to 1920 x 1080 (16:9) the screen gets abnormally big.
[21:36] <japro> wtf is going on today. so i managed to get my boot situation sorted with boot-repair, now if i boot into the freshly installed ubuntu 16.04 and log in i don't get any actual ui? i just see the purple background and my mouse
[21:36] <Umeaboy> To big for any window to fit entirely on it.
[21:36] <japro> and i can right click with the mouse and open a terminal
[21:37] <Umeaboy> I use the Xorg driver and I intend to continue using it.
[21:39] <thecha> has Ubuntu become less popular as of late?
[21:39] <nacc> !ot | thecha
[21:40] <Umeaboy> My graphics card is GM107M [GeForce GTX 850M]
[21:40] <ramsub07> pavlos: perfect and it works
[21:40] <ramsub07> thanks
[21:40] <ramsub07> pavlos: do i need to unmount?
[21:41] <Umeaboy> I use the nouveau driver for it.
[21:41] <pavlos> ramsub07: umount why?
[21:41] <ramsub07> pavlos: security reasons ? though, i had to enter my password while accessing
[21:41] <Umeaboy> I haven't changed any settings after the installation of Zesty other than changing the resolution.
[21:41] <Umeaboy> I'm fully updated.
[21:41] <Umeaboy> Not using Backports.
[21:42] <pavlos> ramsub07: I think it ask if you want your pw to be remembered forever, for the session, or never
[21:42] <Umeaboy> Where do I go if I want to switch to the Xorg vesa driver to test?
[21:42] <Umeaboy> Yes, I know it's slow.
[21:43] <Umeaboy> I just want to see if that makes any difference to my problem.
[21:43] <nacc> Umeaboy: maybe wait for someone (anyone) to respond
[21:45] <Umeaboy> I think I'll delete the Xorg.conf and reboot.
[21:45] <Umeaboy> That might resolve it.
[21:45] <Umeaboy> nacc: You guess otherwise?
[21:46] <kenrin> Does xorg control fonts and window scaling?
[21:46] <Umeaboy> kenrin: Seem like they do.
[21:46] <nacc> Umeaboy: you don't generally need an xorg.conf anymore
[21:46] <Umeaboy> Seems
[21:46] <Umeaboy> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-fonts.html
[21:46] <kenrin> I think you can do xrandr --scale 1.0x1.0 or something
[21:47] <nacc> kenrin: X is the graphical server
[21:47] <nacc> kenrin: and yes, you can change the scaling, i would guess hidpi as well
[21:48] <kenrin> Oh that is the same setting inside settings > display too.  Neat
[21:49] <nacc> kenrin: yeah, sounds right
[21:49] <Squarism> "sudo crontab -l" says "no crontab for root". Still i see cron executing in the log
[21:50] <nacc> Squarism: you see it executing for the root user?
[21:50] <nacc> Squarism: more often than not that's from /etc/cron.d/
[21:50] <Squarism> or "Aug 24 21:31:01 machinename CRON[18641]: (root) CMD (   test -x /etc/cron.daily/popularity-contest && /etc/cron.daily/popularity-contest --crond)
[21:51] <Squarism> (from /var/log/syslog)
[21:52] <nacc> Squarism: read /etc/crontab
[21:52] <nacc> Squarism: which is not hte same as the root user's crontab
[21:53] <Squarism> to make things easier i guess =D
[21:53] <nacc> Squarism: /etc/crontab is the system crontab
[21:53] <nacc> Squarism: root's crontab is the root user's crontab
[21:53] <Squarism> ah ok
[21:53] <OnkelTem> Folks, how to configure to get SSH keys to be stored in ssh agent?
[21:53] <OnkelTem> When I use a key I want it to be kept
[21:54] <OnkelTem> but currently it asks for password every time I use it!
[21:54] <nacc> OnkelTem: run an agent and then `ssh-add`
[21:54] <nacc> that's one way, at least
[21:54] <OnkelTem> nacc: but shouldn't it be laucnhed by default? I'm on 16.04, fresh
[21:55] <OnkelTem> I don't do it on my other system (14.04)
[21:55] <OnkelTem> When I log in to a ssh server for the first time it asks me a password (in command line) and that's all. Never again
[21:55] <nacc> OnkelTem: i don't remember if it does or not by default on 16.04 (set up an key agent on desktop)
[21:57] <kenrin> You sure you didn't add ssh-agent script to your startup? I don't remember it working like that on 14
[21:57] <OnkelTem> kenrin: let me check it :)
[21:57] <OnkelTem> I don't really know where to look in
[21:58] <kenrin> .bashrc most likely
[21:58] <nacc> or if desktop 'startup applications' or whatever?
[21:58]  * eelstrebor believes that he'll have to seel off his hp pavilion since no one has provided a bug free amdpro driver
[21:58] <eelstrebor> seel == sell
[22:06] <OnkelTem> kenrin: when I do ps I see some ssh-agent which is launched as: ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/im-launch /usr/bin/startkde
[22:06] <kenrin> So your window manager|DE does it automatic then
[22:07] <OnkelTem> kenrin: yep, and I have SSH_AUTH_SOCK configured
[22:08] <OnkelTem> but yet - when I try to use a key from my $HOME/.ssh/ - I asked for a password
[22:08] <OnkelTem> again and again
[22:09] <kenrin> *shrugs*  I use ssh-copy-id.  But you could always set it to launch your keys in bash profile or bashrc
[22:12] <OnkelTem> I don't have anything in my basrc or profile on a PC where everything just works
[22:13] <kenrin> I bet it is somewhere.  Likely tied into the keyring or as a service
[22:18] <ramsub07> compdoc_: hi, i don't think i have write permission, how do i elevate preveileges ?
[22:20] <Bashing-om> !details | ramsub07 - Sometimes elevating "your" priviledges is not a good thing to do .
[22:20] <seffyroff> hello!  I'm wondering how I change the options passed to a service starting up with systemd?  I edited a file that chagned the options, but I guess that file is generated somewhere else, as the option I change gets changed back
[22:21] <ramsub08> compdoc_: sorry got disconnected for a bit
[22:23] <kenrin> seffyroff: Did you edit the file under /lib/systemd/system ?
[22:24] <seffyroff> i did, which I guess is the "Bad Thing" :D
[22:25] <kenrin> I think you have to do it under /etc/systemd/system
[22:28] <seffyroff> aha, I found what I was looking for - thanks kenrin, you got me over the line.  you do 'sudo systemctl edit <service>' and it creates the files to edit for you
[22:28] <kenrin> Ah yeah you can do that too or manually
[22:51] <puff> I have a thinkpad t520 running ubuntu 16.04.  Xubuntu mainly.  The fan died last week while it was in suspend mode, on trying to reboot I got "Fan error" at POST.  I ordered a new fan, just installed it, booted it up, seemed to come up okay, no "fan Error", but upon login I immediately got an "Ubuntu has experienced an internal error" with /sbin/plymouthd, "/sbin/plymouthd crashed wtih SIGSEGV in script_obj_dref_direct()"
[22:58] <Bashing-om> puff: See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/+bug/1536771
[22:59] <puff> Bashing-om: Thanks.
[22:59] <Bashing-om> puff: :)
[23:00] <puff> Bashing-om: Mainly I'm trying to make sure that this error doesn't indicate an "omigodshutdownthemachinenow" situation.
[23:01] <Bashing-om> puff: The bug report does not indicate a serious thing . Has a cpuple of work-a-rounds to try .
[23:01] <Bashing-om> couple*
[23:02] <puff> Bashing-om: Thamks.
[23:02] <puff> Bashing-om: I'm probably about due to reinstall from scratch, but damn, doing that feels so microsoft.
[23:03] <Umeaboy> No window appears when I do gksudo nvidia-settings even thou my graphics card is made by Nvidia.
[23:03] <Umeaboy> I get a password prompt and when I type the password and press Enter no new window appears.
[23:04] <Umeaboy> I found some instructions here: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/display
[23:05] <Umeaboy> What could be wrong?
[23:05] <Umeaboy> I think I should see some error info in the terminal window when I run it.
[23:06] <puff> Umeaboy: no real idea myself, but maybe try running it from the shell with --verbose or something?  Or try running it with --help to figure out the equivalent parameter.
[23:08] <Umeaboy> Seems like the nvidia-settings doesn't exist in the terminal.
[23:08] <Umeaboy> What package uses it?
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Umeaboy: What does the package manager say '  dpkg -l nvidia-settings ' ?
[23:10] <Umeaboy> No packages matching nvidia-settings.
[23:11] <Umeaboy> Weird. sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings installs that package.
[23:11] <Umeaboy> dpkg is a liar.
[23:11] <Umeaboy> :)
[23:12] <Bashing-om> Umeaboy: Well, you know the why now :) . What shows ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia* ' in a pastebin .
[23:16] <Umeaboy> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25386009/
[23:17] <Umeaboy> However I couldn't find anything useful in those settings to help me debug the problem with my graphics.
[23:17] <xz> hi there, I'm trying to ssh with X forwarding from win 10 (cygwin) to Ubuntu 16.04
[23:18] <Umeaboy> This is a Ubuntu issue as the same card and the same driver (could be a difference between versions though) works just fine when I have Mageia installed.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Umeaboy: That ^ is not the requested output . try again ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia* .
[23:18] <xz> seems I have everything in place, X server running on win 10, I ssh with -X option, I export DISPLAY variable but I still cannot get any GUI application
[23:18] <xz> for example, chromium-browser returns (chromium-browser:10276): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Unable to get session bus: Unknown or unsupported transport 'disabled' for address 'disabled:'
[23:19] <pavlos> xz: do you run a local X server on win10 (like xming
[23:19] <Umeaboy> Bashing-om: I get the same reply once again.
[23:19] <Umeaboy> ii  nvidia-settings                                 367.35-0ubuntu1                               amd64        Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[23:19] <xz> pavlos: yes, I do
[23:20] <xz> pavlos: it's called Cygwin/X Server:0.0
[23:20] <xz> pavlos: I followed the tutorial here: https://x.cygwin.com/
[23:21] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: this is a default ubuntu install or some flavor? Any errors when launching nvidia-settings from the command line?
[23:22] <Bashing-om> Umeaboy: Nope: this is what - similar - you "should" Have : http://termbin.com/v1ip .
[23:22] <Umeaboy> Default.
[23:22] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: oh yea, maybe nvidia-settings doesn't work if you don't have the driver installed...
[23:22] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: +1
[23:23] <Umeaboy> Bashing-om: A bunch of gtk-critical errors.
[23:23] <xz> pavlos: gparted complains like that: (gpartedbin:10786): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[23:23] <Umeaboy> tgm4883: It doesn't work with nouveau from Xorg installed?
[23:23] <pavlos> xz: do you ssh via putty?
[23:23] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: why would it, nouveau isn't the proprietary driver
[23:24] <xz> pavlos: nope, I ssh through cygwin
[23:24] <xz> pavlos: I could try through putty, but my goal is to have it all running through cygwin
[23:24] <Umeaboy> I know. I'm trying to find the cause of my resolution issue with the nouveau driver.
[23:24] <Umeaboy> The error is in Ubuntu, but not in Mageia.
[23:24] <Umeaboy> The versions may differ yes.
[23:24] <Umeaboy> Let me check.
[23:26] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: Now I'm confused  "Umeaboy> No window appears when I do gksudo nvidia-settings even thou my graphics card is made by Nvidia.", you are running nouveau, so nvidia-settings shouldn't work
[23:26] <Umeaboy> Mageia uses 1.0.15 as a nouveau version.
[23:26] <bazhang> Umeaboy, are you on mageia
[23:26] <Umeaboy> tgm4883: The nvidia-settings program wasn't installed at that time.
[23:26] <Umeaboy> Not at the moment
[23:27] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: sorry, you've lost me. What is the actual issue you are having?
[23:27] <bazhang> Umeaboy, what version of ubuntu
[23:27] <pavlos> xz: I dont have experience with cygwin but putty needs MIT-Magic-Cookie-1 for remote X11 authentication. Is there something similar for cygwin?
[23:27] <budest> Hey guys, is it possible to write to a hfs+ drive from Ubuntu?
[23:27] <Umeaboy> Seems like Ubuntu should update the driver.
[23:27] <bazhang> !info hfs-utils
[23:28] <Umeaboy> 1.0.14 according to pkgs.org
[23:28] <budest> I have hfsprogs installed
[23:28] <nacc> !info hfsprogs
[23:28] <nacc> bazhang: --^ that?
[23:28] <xz> pavlos: maybe, isn't my ssh password enough for authentication?
[23:28] <Umeaboy> tgm4883: Well. I installed Zesty and the screen resolution was fine.
[23:28] <bazhang> could be
[23:28] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: well that sounds good, not like a problem
[23:29] <pavlos> xz: I'm looking at the faq ... DISPLAY=:0.0 ssh -Y remotehost
[23:29] <Umeaboy> As I entered Unity I wanted to change to a bigger resolution 1920 x 1080 (16:9) which works just fine in Mageia.
[23:29] <budest> It's a permissions thing
[23:29] <Umeaboy> The resolution got humongous.
[23:29] <tgm4883> Umeaboy: you just said the resolution in zesty was fine...
[23:29] <xz> pavlos: I just tried with -Y, I can run xterm that way, but other apps fail complaining about authentication
[23:30] <Umeaboy> I ran rm ~/.config/monitors.xml and rebooted.
[23:30] <Umeaboy> Still the same problem.
[23:30] <Umeaboy> tgm4883: In the installation.
[23:30] <xz> pavlos: it's weird though -X doesn't work at all
[23:30] <pavlos> xz: if xterm (I use xclock to test) comes up, then X traffic works.
[23:30] <Umeaboy> This has never been a problem in previous Ubuntu versions.
[23:30] <xz> pavlos: xclock works too
[23:31] <Umeaboy> It started from 16.10 I think.
[23:31] <pavlos> xz: see section 6 https://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-ssh-no-x11forwarding
[23:31] <xz> pavlos: and gnome-calendar and firefox
[23:32] <xz> pavlos: hell, looks like it sort of works
[23:32] <pavlos> xz: gparted needs sudo
[23:32] <eb0t>  hey this channel seems to be quite a bit quieter than 2 years ago...anyone know why
[23:32] <bazhang> eb0t, not a chatter channel
[23:32] <xz> pavlos: yeah, I logged in as root
[23:32] <bazhang> eb0t, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:32] <xz> pavlos: just to check gparted
[23:33] <tgm4883> eb0t: mods cleaned house of people not asking technical questions ;)
[23:33] <xz> pavlos: looks like my user environment is more X friendly than root env
[23:33] <Umeaboy> If I change the resolution from 3840 x 2160 (16:9) to 1920 x 1080 (16:9) the desktop looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/HCSZhWp.png
[23:33] <eb0t> ah ok thanks tgm4883 i was wondering
[23:33] <Umeaboy> It's waaaaaaaay out of proportion.
[23:33] <pavlos> xz: so it works ...
[23:33] <nacc> Umeaboy: as i told you a while ago, you've got your scaling to hidpi settings till
[23:33] <tgm4883> eb0t: I was joking, but in any case you want that other channel for off topic stuff
[23:33] <Umeaboy> That was never the issue with 16.04.
[23:33] <nacc> Umeaboy: change it from 2 to 1
[23:33] <xz> pavlos: yaeh, now it does; only after I logged in with -Y instead of -X
[23:33] <xz> pavlos: I was trying initially with -X
[23:34] <xz> pavlos: I don't know why -X wouldn't work, it's weird
[23:34] <eb0t> no i want this channel....this is the channel i was referring to...but its been 2 years and there were lots of questions about all things linux 2 years ago ..that is all
[23:34] <Umeaboy> OK, but it still needs to be fixed so that future installations won't get that problem.
[23:34] <nacc> Umeaboy: what problem?
[23:34] <nacc> Umeaboy: scaling and resolution are independent things, afaict
[23:34] <Umeaboy> nacc: The hidpi value.
[23:34] <nacc> Umeaboy: did you try changing it and did it fix it?
[23:35] <Umeaboy> Let me look. Hold on.
[23:35] <Umeaboy> Tested it and it looks better.
[23:36] <nacc> Umeaboy: did the other version of ubuntu you tested have hidpi support?
[23:36] <Umeaboy> My new resolution after changing scaling to 1: blob:http://imgur.com/4b85c473-37f8-4416-820d-4acd30f2762b
[23:37] <Umeaboy> I believe it did because I didn't have this problem in 16.04.
[23:37] <nacc> Umeaboy: or it didn't at all, if you didn't have this problem (the scaling was always 1)
[23:37] <Umeaboy> Perhaps.
[23:37] <nacc> Umeaboy: in any case, I think it's working quite as intended (in my experience)
[23:38] <pavlos> xz: read the faq section ... Make sure you're not starting ssh with the option -X. Since OpenSSH 7.2p1, ssh does not fallback to trusted forwarding, option -Y, so no X11 forwarding is setup. Use ssh -Y.
[23:39] <pavlos> xz: section 6, A3
[23:39] <xz> pavlos: hey, thanks for help on that!
[23:39] <pavlos> xz: np
[23:50] <thatlizdude> hello, I'm trying to copy a folder and its contents with the terminal, but it always copies the files only. do I always have to specify the folder name in the destination path?
[23:51] <thatlizdude> like I'm doing "cp -r /folder1 /mainFolder/folder1" - is there a way to just leave out the folder1 in destination path?