 Ah. Probably was. Probably the well-known troll that likes to frequent #ubports, #lineageos, and a few other Android and mobile Linux-related channels.
 @rubencarneiro, Yeap! Agree with this. Many choices are always better. And we just let the Darwinian theory come into play :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, That's why I was joking to wayne that even the "big guy threaten me outside my room" sported a librem tshirt. It's trending! (or is it a plague?)
 @advocatux, what is this thing? send me a link so I can give an expert review
 Spin the wheel of webs
 @wayneoutthere, the librem 5
 y'know, the thing that we've been discussing all day
 is there a lnk somewhere in there Durst???
 I'm going to release my inner durst!
 @wayneoutthere, I don't know if you're really serious or just... but here's http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/purism-librem-5-linux-phone-crowdfunding
 thanks buddy!
 you're officially invited to an Audiocast
 (i'll PM you)
 you're welcome 👍
 (get Audacity)
 I have it
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/BNXcytmJ/file_274.mp4
 @advocatux, My expert review is as follows..... … .... Tune into the next Audiocast for the long version... … ...short version... they will not succeed.  If shuttleworth couldn't do it with a phat bankroll and all of you... these people without us might as well pack an lunch and head back to Kernel-Land
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dU0l4ERs/file_275.mp4
 (enough gifs for the day)
 @wayneoutthere, I want a phone like that but I don't think they going to succeed wiht this crowfounding approach
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 I wish them all the good luck in the world
 are*
 If you look at the development gantt chart, you'll see that they're trying to smoosh a lot of development into a few months
 Right
 @advocatux, yeah same. but they should join on the software side first. I'm fully with Durst of Dalton. Pretty sure he said that somewhere way up there.
 But, I mean... look at where we are. And Canonical had years. And full time engineers.
 @UniversalSuperBox, bingo, DD. Bingo.
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 but we are still lacking some roadmaps here
 aren't we?
 Indeed
 @wayneoutthere, that hurts
 @neothethird, The wayne speaks the truth
 Yep we're following the GPS (Great Phone Suddenly)
 (Photo, 960x566) https://irc.ubports.com/f0dp0dA0/file_276.jpg
 Replace roadmap with documentation and some random overly complex idea with "my life" and you have me
 sad but true
 🤣
 Honestly... there's nothing I'd love more than to be paid to work with you guys. But for now I'll take not being paid and working with you guys.
 Money? What is that?
 remembers that his classes start on Monday
 patreon.com/ubports
 @neothethird, I'm already a patron, Jan! Don't guilt-trip me!
 haha
 yeah, pay the project to pay you
 Shake your money maker!
 Foolproof plan
 @UniversalSuperBox, same. haha
 it occurs to me that we could solve all our problems by acquiring more money
 we should be rich
 @neothethird, this is solid business logic.  It's like a marketing budget.  Pay people to pay you.
 then it would be simpler
 @wayneoutthere I know you like this kind of articles. ""Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? … https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/
 Hmmmm..... am I the only one who prefers to have fun with open source software than being paid and struggle to meet the expectations of the people who are paying? :\
 @jsalatas, As it is, we're unpaid and struggling to meet the expectations of people who are using the software. :P
 @jsalatas, if you have a job that pays your bills while allowing for enough free time to contribute to foss, that's a comfortable position
 @neothethird, mm, yep. 100%.
 @advocatux, :) … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-GE8oYU2g
 @jsalatas, another interesting topic...
 @advocatux, thanks man. i do like these kind :)
 What is the problem with snapdragon CPU and GPU? With respect to open source?
 @Vijay, Qualcomm doesn't release drivers for new Linux kernels.
 Even the newest chipsets are only supported under kernel 3.18, which is newly EOL
 What is the aim of project trouble from Google? To bring all the drivers into kernel?
 Project trouble would have been a better name for it, heh.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Drivers can't you compile for new kernel? Is it provided in binary form?
 @Vijay, No, Qualcomm still gets to ship the same drivers and old kernel. Treble exposes APIs to the hardware that shouldn't change between versions of Android.
 @Vijay, Yes, all binary.
 @jsalatas, That's my problem with it
 i had never heard of PureOS before...
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[07:01] <narueon> I have compiled ubuntu touch for my phone
[07:02] <narueon> but the system image is very small - 84Mb
[07:02] <narueon> is it normal
[07:02] <narueon> what should i fo
[07:20] <tgBot> Vivek Singh Thakur was added by: Vivek Singh Thakur
[07:20] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> I have compiled Ubuntu Touch for my Phone but I dont know how to install it
[07:21] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> should i just flash using fastboot or there is a specific procedure
[07:21] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> and also my system.img file is pretty small.. about 84MB online
[07:21] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> someone please help me out..
 @neothethird, But too much money is also not good. It will attract people that want only the money, not the vision ;)
 @Vivek Singh Thakur, Which phone?
[07:46] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> Asus Zenfone 5
[07:47] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> @Flohack, Asus Zenfone 5. I tried flashing recovery but even recovery doesnt start...
 Hmmm which guide did you follow? So far no one has made a working build for an Asus IMHO
 someones working on a halium port though
 but as an intel phone, it's really unsupported by ubports at this point in time
 Yeah
 Yeah
 developer for that phone isn't in this group though
 Can you link to Halium group? Im on the road ;)
[07:51] <bshah> @halium
 @halium
[07:53] <artnay> hi all. where should one file a bug against translate.ubports.com? when I try to save a translated string at https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/ubports-app/fi/ I get [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'/opt/weblate/data/vcs/ubports/ubports-app/po/fi.po'
 Sendo me the normal ubports group not the supergroup the other one
[07:55] <artnay> also, filemanager-app po file has been locked for days and there's a message "This translation is currently locked for updates!"
 artnay: Github.com/ubports/translate.ubports.com
 @artnay, Not that one again... Sigh will take a look on the evening
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[08:48] <tgBot> Martin Denni was added by: Martin Denni
 Hi Martin
[08:49] <tgBot> <Martin Denni> Hi everyone!
 Im still on #gamescom in case someone wants to meet me ;)
[09:00] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> hi, noob question: i've followed the instructions to flash the (experimental) ubports image for the nexus 4 and it rebooted into recovery, do i now just execute "install ubuntu zip" from "ubuntu actions" or do i have to "Replace ubuntu android system" first or do i "install ubuntu preinstalled"?
 Wasnt this explained in the instructions? :) Im also confused by the recovery options tbh
 @Sconio, Trust me, you do not want Tox on a smartphone or tablet. Just try it on Android and you'll see how horrible the battery drain is. Also, the main (only) Tox developer disappeared and left no comments in the code so people are struggling to understand/maintain the core
[09:02] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> nope, at least i didn't find it
[09:03] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> https://devices.ubports.com/#/mako
[09:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> last command is "3. Flash device [...] using ubuntu-device-flash" which brings the phone to recovery
[09:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/oTwLTUht/file_277.jpg
[09:05] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> And going into the ubuntu actions.:
[09:05] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/OHkIFAu2/file_278.jpg
 Did you download the vivid preinstalled tar.gz
 Then you might try this option
[09:17] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> mh, no not that i am aware of 😃 just used "sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap" while phone was inside fastboot
 Hmm that should actually tell recovery to install everything after reboot. But maybe the N4 channel does not do this? We need an N4 guy here xd
[09:37] <tgBot> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> Guys, did https://ubports.com/blog/ have RSS feed? Want to add to Feedly, but can't :(
 This month's Linux Format - out any day now in the UK for non-subscribers - has ana rticle about how it all went wrong for Canonical with Ubuntu Touch (or how it never really went right), and a piece about UBports, Plasma Mobile, Halium etc. Worth a read if you can lay your hands on a copy.
 @Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜, https://ubports.com/blog/1/feed
[09:44] <bshah> @BrisPete, are online copies available?
 @BrisPete, Nice :)
[09:44] <bshah> (not based on UK.. so.. :P)
 @bshah, I don't think so yet. I'll have a look.
[09:45] <bshah> okay
 @bshah, OK. It's not online but as I'm a subscriber I have access to pdfs of the articles. You can see them here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h4dx4pd2mak7ku4/AAB8qoll4dpqZLtr0jwCx5efa?dl=0
[10:01] <bshah> @BrisPete, thanks
 👍
 flashing right now a BQ Aquaris E5, crossing fingers haha
 all good, time to configure
 @Krakakanok, 😀😎
[12:06] <tgBot> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> @neothethird, thanks!
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[14:00] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> FYI: i did the flashing on Nexus 4 a second time (exact same procedure) and now it entered recovery, pushed a few things to the device, rebooted and now shows a black screen with an orange circle changing between three spots in the bottom (for ~3 Minutes) than it changed to the UBports robot startup and now i'm at choosing the language.. 👻🌈🍺
[14:02] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (so "pro" advise: always try anything at least twice 😜)
 @advocatux hey, Tuxonomy.  You're right.  This was a seriously great article (still not done and I can say it) and definitely this will be a major discussion topic and if UBports can bring solutions to the social 'bugs' in this article it will be an unstoppable success.  Every parent with a heart would make the move.  More on this in some future #audiocast
 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/
 @wayneoutthere, In my case, the things that ruined my mental health most happened offline. Although I have dealt with enough shit of people online too that didn't help. I do notice that I do feel better when I go out but don't do that often enough, so the article probably does have some point on the depression thing
 Pretty sure this emotional manipulation has the worst effects though: … A recently leaked Facebook document indicated that the company had been touting to advertisers its ability to determine teens’ emotional state based on their on-site behavior, and even to pinpoint “moments when young people need a confidence boost.”
 yeah.  it's not the 'ultimate conclusion' and there is a great benefit to groups like this supergroup.  We can actually build real relationships that start online.  But there is a great danger with 'unsocial networks' and all the other information that streams in.
 Right.  So on UBports when you click the FB icon, it should prompt a warning like "FB is a known perpetrator an manipulator of human emotions for the purposes of sales.  Proceed to install and setup?"
 (bug fix)
 lol, honestly, I think we're far beyond having any hope of fixing that
 It's pretty much the norm on any platform by now
 agree, but still.  it sets the 'brand' up as 'different' and 'truly social'
 Profiling is the reason Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are rich
 I know. Just saying someone has to start the process of exposing and protecting.  If someone wants to proceed and install something that messes with their head - go ahead' ha
 The shit Facebook does has been in the news so often it's probably common knowledge, people still choose to go ahead anyway
 true.. haha.
 Honestly, we already lost long ago
 Hell, IBM still existing as a huge company after knowingly helping the nazis round up jews says enough
 We are no longer in control, companies are, and our justice system no longer properly punishes companies
 So, really, we lost
 the big 'we'.  but how about 'you'.  HOw about 'me'?
 there's still 'us'
 I don't know about you, I just know I gave up myself, having developed mental disorders serious enough that I need constant distraction to not go insane (everything points at borderline, I'd like to get officially diagnosed to be sure, but last time I got falsely diagnosed with autism I had to deal with crap like having to renew my drivers license every year for a bit instead of every 10 years so... I don't know if I even want to bother with the possibl
[14:48] <tgBot> bullshit of knowing what's wrong with me). I'm not on Facebook, but I have given in to Google, Twitter, Reddit and Tumblr
 And well, we're all here on Telegram, the platform owned by the ex-CEO of VKontakte, literally the Russian Facebook. I wouldn't think that's trustworthy either lol
 Face it, "we" gave up for convenience as well, forsaking trustworthy IRC for a platform owned by someone who probably isn't all that much better than Mark Zuckerberg
 @Lorxu, didn't know this part :)
 I think everyone here is open to the 'best option as soon as possible'.  In terms of your mental state, there is no person who is 'perfectly stable' so good luck finding someone against whom you can compare.
 i view many 'stable people' as completely insane
 facebook users, are nuts.  Completely nuts.  Of their rockers.  Foolish.  Living in folly (for example)
 (but they hold down day jobs and are considered normal)
 Heh, yeah
 you are much more stable than you probably think
 I get called manipulative all the time, but the "normal" people out there cheat on partners, lie constantly, etc.
 (I'll PM you, haha)
 lol okay
 Nice PM! :)
 https://medium.com/@damln/instagram-is-listening-to-you-97e8f2c53023
 Sorry posted it by mistake
 hey... i wanted that link
 haha
 just about to cilck it
[15:36] <bshah> @harishsays, even if you pasted it by mistake, it's right group
[15:36] <bshah> interesting link
[15:36] <tgBot> Jeff G was added by: Jeff G
 https://medium.com/@damln/instagram-is-listening-to-you-97e8f2c53023
 Which link?
 that one
 tanks
 @harishsays, reason nr #645442 to use UBports :)
 This happend to me and @neothethird he send me some plane tickets with pdf and google read it and added the times and the plane to my google calander
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3GXVN4vD/image_2017-08-25_03-30-17.png
 (Photo, 1280x736) https://irc.ubports.com/oZXYyoR0/5834730458099854077.jpg
[15:42] <bshah> @mariogrip that's common, remember at that same day I mentioned that google showed me that I am in totally different country because my friend sent me her tickets
 I now do not use gmail anymore :P
 @bshah, still creepy
[15:43] <bshah> I unfortunately can't switch away from gmail.. or well have no migration plan in mind
 We call it creepy, most people call it convenient
 @mariogrip, woahhh...  and that link above bout instagram is messed up
 @Lorxu, most people don't realy know what's going in, they think it's all convenient and fine. but they dont really know/think what just happend
 @bshah, I now use https://protonmail.com/ and I have to say, it's as good as gmail, I love it. No issues at all with it. there spam filter is amazing
 Same here..using protonmail
[15:45] <bshah> @mariogrip: and how exactly you migrated gmail content?
[15:46] <bshah> do they offer options for it?
 I remember they did a writeup on their spamfilter somewhere, it was neat stuff
 In my case, I just self-host
 I also dont get the point with convenience. Its good that I got a navigation app but I can take care of myself with flights. It feels like mum & dad doing your life for you
 so am i the only one to use an ISP email?
 must be getting old
 Maybe. I got a virtual box running horde for 4 email accounts xD
 @bshah, I use my own domain, and added forwaring for my gmail address (since i cannot move that) I still have my old mails on gmail
[15:48] <bshah> I need to take time to figure out this things someday
 I was doing email hosting for friends (also www etc). Project was called Happy Server Friends
 @mariogrip, But we're not using ut completely because you wanted Instagram??🤔🤔🤔
 But... VirtualBox...
 Ping me I can give guidance for smtp and imap
 That's a weird setup
 @bshah, it was surprisingly simple. self hosting is one thing, but https://protonmail.com/ is super easy
[15:50] <bshah> @Vijay, lol yes.. I remember that from Lunduke show :P
 @Vijay, what?
 @bshah, This was the reference!!
 lol
 @Vijay, &
 @garrogarri, ->
 @mariogrip whats your opinion on new open-source mobile ? From librem?
 @Vijay, I'm really exited on how it will turn out, but I think there goal is a bit too ambitious. splitted cpu and baseband, using gtk/gone for ui, mainline kernel, opensource drivers. for 1.5M I think this will be hard to reach in such a short time
[15:57] <bshah> it's not mainline kernel btw
[15:57] <bshah> but mainline-ish
[15:57] <bshah> at least well that's what imx6 supports
 @bshah, Difference??
[15:58] <bshah> Vijay: you have recent enough kernel version, but not everything is available in torvalds tree
 @mariogrip, How much was canonical aiming during there ubuntu edge time?
 @Vijay, 32M
 @bshah, Like what it might be missing?
[15:59] <bshah> sorry I don't know exact information
 @mariogrip, Compare that it seems more practical.. they have chosen the correct hardware According there requirements
[16:01] <tgBot> JeffiG was added by: JeffiG
 Another interesting article: https://www.usenix.org/conference/hotcloud17/program/presentation/shahrad
 @mariogrip, There is also openmailbox.org that offers 5GB for emails and storage ;)
 @Flohack, This. It feels like being controlled.
 @mariogrip, I mainly use posteo.de. pretty similar to protonmail, but based in Germany
 @harishsays, cool. i was already thinking this way in terms of the Serval project and mesh networks
 (http://www.servalproject.org/)
 FYI anyone interested in Mesh networks... ping me on the side.  I feel this one isimportant and should somehow work with UBports
[17:22] <tgBot> Håkan was added by: Håkan
 @wayneoutthere @exar_kun Listening to Audiocast 005, have  you considered using OBS to record it?
 I'm not a podcaster, but I think that it is a popular podcasting software...
 @LarreaMikel, I've looked into it and it's amazing for sure.  there was soem reason why I didn't.  I think you have to use your own bandwidth or something... there was some thing that was either complicated ... thanks for reminder. we'llkeep looking
 ok!
 @LarreaMikel, Thanks for the suggestion. We did come across that earlier on. I think I decided that I liked the multitrack editing instead, but maybe it has that function or could in the future.
 maybe it's worth to ask in another podcasts to see their workflow.
 http://ubuntupodcast.org/about/  … See -> Recording and Audio Mastering  … you guys seem to have a similar (or the same) workflow...
 @LarreaMikel, thanks wil review!
 Feel free to ping with questions about how we make the Ubuntu Podcast
[18:30] <tgBot> Ssshojaei2 was added by: Ssshojaei2
 welcome :)
[18:37] <tgBot> Ssshojaei2 was added by: Ssshojaei2
 @neothethird, tanks ❤
 I want to start programming for ubuntu touch. Have a good link for learning this?
 Fwd from neothethird: Awesome! We're still in the process of importing all the documentation from canonical (and also moving to a new wiki software) so it's a little spread out over docs.ubuntu.com (canonical) wiki.ubports.com (our old system) and docs.ubports.com (new shiny)
 Fwd from neothethird: there's also a great ubuntu touch programming book by @mimecar that you can find here https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
 Fwd from neothethird: And if you've never used qml before, this is a nice video tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB22HyVdO1GkLFrvRi5vIo5XcWS0EflxD
 Fwd from neothethird: it's a little out of date, but the basic concepts are very good explained
 Fwd from neothethird: Last but not least, here's how to set up a development environment
 Fwd from neothethird: https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Set-up-a-Clickable-working-environment-inside-an-LXC-container
 @Lorxu, I was born in 1978. No mobile phones, no internet. One landline, one television, that was it. I'm immune!!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/NsmqdVRZ/467420530614468696.webp
 @Lorxu, Capitalism is a totalitarian system by design. Nothing exists outside of it. And if it does, it gets captured to extract plus-value.
[19:17] <tgBot> Rohith was added by: Rohith
 @per_sonne, 1978, eh?  high five to 1978.  :)
 @popeydc, Thanks Alan.  Good to know!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/y0QLnaa4/467420530614468682.webp
[19:44] <tgBot> <johan finn> https://github.com/johanfinn?tab=repositories if someone wants to try some apps, download to phone, unzip, in terminal cd to Downloads and folder and run pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted selectedapp.click or if someone wants to put to the store, you are welcome, they are opensource of course 😀
[20:10] <tgBot> GoSayem was added by: GoSayem
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 @johan finn, Interesting! Any reason you don't upload them yourself? It's a pretty straightforward process: https://openstore.ubports.com/login
[21:35] <tgBot> <Henry Sazo> Good afternoon colleagues will there be or will they make ubuntu compatible phone for LeeCo S2 x520?
 @Henry Sazo, It's on our forum, but relevant here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/206/will-you-port-to-device-x
 @mariogrip, Apple Mail - "how about lunch tomorrow". Apple Calendar - auto 'appointment' for 12:30 …
 I searched for backup solutions on ddg and hit a few Newegg pages. Now I get ads for NAS.
 There is no privacy
 Seems like I missed a few good conversations
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