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[05:46] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Does anyone know whether mir supports something like x-forwarding? And if yes from whih version on? (Or in other words, is this supported with the mir version shipped in ubports images?)
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 @PhoenixLandPirate, Very interesting. They support ubports 😎
 @demokrit atomos, IIRC yes, maybe with some tweak
[07:24] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @TronFourtyTwo, Nice, do you perhaps know how?
 @demokrit atomos, There was a guide... If I found it I'll send you the link
[07:26] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @TronFourtyTwo, Thanks!
[07:33] <Raph> k
 @UniversalSuperBox, Have you tried alternative search engines like qwant.com?
 I can recommend DuckDuckGo.com.
 @vanyasem, me too
 @vanyasem, For me the qwant.com search results are much better fitting than ddg results
 You need to get used to the way ddg works.
 It's a bit different from anything else.
 Hi :) One question please: How can I know if Ubuntu in my Fairphone is the last version? If there are not updates? I only see Ubuntu 15.04 (r1) Last updated 3/24/70
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 Hi everybody, yesterday i flash Ubuntu touch on my nexus 5, but when i lock the screen, i thing there is a problem, I must to press power button more time os push and hold a fiew seconds to unlock again.
 I have the same issue
 also the internet browser doesn't work propertely
 @costales, it is laatest vers.
 @JeffiG, thanks!
 gaius
 @JeffiG, It is a known issue. Disabling automatic brightness in settings is a workaround,
 @wagafo, thanks  :)
 is there any way to flash the this file on nexus 5 : zesty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz  ?
 @JeffiG, What is this file?
 original ubuntu touch file
 @wagafo, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
 That's just a rootfs is it not?
 As far as I know there was no Zesty (17.04) image from Canonical, only 15.04 images
 ok, but what ist this one, i mean this is a ubuntu touch ?
 Maybe just something for development, but who knows in which state
 ok , thnx a lot for answer, i am not advanced on ubuntu touch, I experiment with android ROM's
 @wagafo, Jeff, [26.08.17 11:58] … ok , thnx a lot for answer, i am not advanced on ubuntu touch, I experiment with android ROM's
 @costales, Hi, OTA2 is in preparation, we still fix a few bugs ;)
 great!
 @Flohack Hi flo, is there any usergroup in german, it woud be nice
 @Flohack, There is no change in the issues resolved from last 2 weeks?
[10:38] <Phreya> Where are these messages coming from?
[10:39] <Phreya> Oh, Telegram probably
[10:39] <Phreya> teah, tgBot... figures :X
 @JeffiG, You can join the Ubuntufun.de group ;)
 @Flohack, Thnx u :)
 @Vijay, I dont track it in my head, see Github for current status
 @Flohack, I am tracking it daily.. but from last 2 weeks no update in the issues!!
[11:32] <Mostafa> Where can I buy UBUNTU phones?
 Second Hand Shops
 Ebay
[11:33] <Mostafa> Is it available on Ebay?
 Shpock
 I bought all of my phones from private persons
[11:47] <Mostafa> haha
[11:47] <Mostafa> Funny
 where can I found the source code of the bot?
 @Mostafa, The most stable phone with Ubuntu OS atm is the fairphone 2. Look at fairphone.com
 But it will be shipped with android, so you have to bring Ubuntu OS on it. See https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-fairphone-2
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 hi
 (Video, 7s)https://irc.ubports.com/0FrBnbJk/file_279.mp4
 Problem in m10 fhd ,
 parametre not acces
 And it's not possible add supergroup telegram in meizu pro 5, in nexus 5 , and m10 FHD.
 To Navigateur
 @Sconio, supergroups in Telegram for UT aren't still avaiable
 From a smartphone ubports
 pc ok
 ( juste reporting bug for supergroupe DEV )
 for 3 model smartphone
 @Sconio, I think there was yet on GitHub iirc...
 @Sconio, and this bug affects all the phones with UT
 not in pro 5
 and not in nexus 5
 ( and not in one plus one )
 :)
 @Sconio, what do you mean?
 The bug to access the setting concerns the M10 FHD
 not Meizu pro 5, not nexus 5 and not one plus one
 ah, I mean the bug of the supergroups, sorry
 But for the bugs telegram, yes it concerns all models
 ok  :)
 @Sconio, Not a bug, its a missing feature ;)
 yes for telegram
 for setting ??
 @Sconio, ??
 After the last update, there was this
[14:33] <Phreya> UBPorts doesn't seem to find any WIFI networks on OPO
[14:47] <tgBot> Chris was added by: Chris
 @Sconio, You still have the Settings scope by swiping?
 no
 Oh 🙄
 Yes this is very embarrassing
[14:51] <kgbme> o.0
 But all other scopes?
 ??
 juste in BQ M10 FHD
 not all devices
 You have Nearby scope in that?
 yes
 @Sconio, !
 Is it somehow unticked in the list of visible scopes?
 not to my knowledge
 (Video, 7s)https://irc.ubports.com/kqNIO0kz/file_280.mp4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/5okorMTv/file_281.mp4
 Maybe UT Tweak tool can impose an adjustment?
 i looking
 no
 If I could get the build to install on my BQ M10 FHD I would be able to confirm or not …
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/WJ25D6gY/file_283.jpg
 This have to be fixed, the Browser is to old, not compatible with many webs.
 v17 or v18
 idk
 Tried browserhtml from app store?
 Hey I'm tinkering with the web app creator. I'm trying to make a web app for whatsapp web (there are some in the Ubuntu store but as that is going away, I thought why not), but I can't seem to get the user agent string right because whatsapp.com still figures out I'm on mobile and wants me to install whatsapp from the play store
 what is a good user agend string to use?
 @Stereofont, it's still poor os, it need lot of time to make it better. its not my fav os :(
 @JeffiG, We know, we know... Sadly no one has capacity to work on this right now
 @Flohack, I know it, but without browser working, ist like fish without watter :)
 It is a prototype. Interesting, worthy but not at a level where it can be used comfortably as a main device
 Call me "not up-to-date" but I've just found out that there are dual-OS tablets around. Wow! … With Android and Windows 10. - Would it be possible to make those boot Ubuntu, too?
 You can run Android apps in a container in Linux without dual booting. Whether that is a wise or desirable thing to do is a different matter. Possible though
 @peterbittner, Yep, you are definetly not up-to-date
 I don't care for Android, really. I care for converting this to Ubuntu. I recall that dual-booting phones was never easy for UT.
 For a random tablet you will probably only have the better than nothing option of Cyanogen
 @YougoChats, You can see what the other apps use by checking them out on uApp Explorer: https://uappexplorer.com/app/whatsappweb.markcortbass  Click on the "More Info" button.
 What hardware does it have to be so that I can install "just any Linux" on the tablet?
 @peterbittner, If you can read (or translate) Russian, be sure to check out 4pda.ru/forum. They have lots of firmwares for unpopular routers, tablets, phones, etc.
 They usually cut all the languages, but Russian and English, I need to warn you.
 'Tablet' is an Android animal. Touch was engineered to sit on top. A notebook is the same form factor practically so best to get a cheap one of those and run any Linux you like
 @vanyasem, It's similar to XDA, but thanks to craziness of Russians it's full of useful (and weird) stuff.
 I'm always offended a little when someone says "Linux" instead of GNU/Linux. I can't even describe the feeling xd
 @bhdouglass, Thanks for the tip, I have that one installed and it works, but somehow using that exact user agent string, my webapp fails :(
 I could try and poke Mark Cortbass and get him to move it to the Open Store, but it looked simple enough to do it myself.
 I just hate it when websites do this! Especially services like WhatsApp, that specifically create a web interface so you can use it on other devices, and then purposefully block the service for other devices
 @vanyasem, Better to call it The Community OS. But abbreviations offer convenience over content
 @vanyasem, +1
 @JeffiG, +1
[18:26] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @vanyasem, I think we need to shorten it so that people don't feel lazy to type two words and a slash also without space... Let's declare GNU/Linux as glux 😁😁
 The problem is that I will forget it by tomorrow. It's fine as long as we understand each other. If someone is lazy to respect GNU (and the freedom behind it), per probably shouldn't be in our community though.
 I... Fully disagree
 It's pretty much universally understood what you mean when you say Linux
 And I'm not going to refuse someone who wants to contribute just because they don't type GNU/Linux
 I confess I am not a hardcore geek. Should thus group attract a wide audience or a narrow one?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Exactly what I meant.
 I was trying to say that glux is a bad idea.
 Ah, ok
 Bit of a language barrier, then. No big deal
 Sry, I'm still Russian (and weird)
 I'm not Russian but I am weird
 We all are here. In a manner.
 (glux is Russian for "glitches")
 Oh, right. Глюк )
[18:48] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @NotKit, Haha... TIL
 but also glück is happines in German, if I remember right
 (Photo, 1055x627) https://irc.ubports.com/o6r1GIKG/file_285.jpg
[18:51] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @vanyasem, I already knew that but difference between Linux and GNU/Linux is still unclear to me.
[18:52] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> I have seen the jokes about devs getting in argument/conversation about the distinction between them . So I kind of understand your pain
[18:53] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> It's same problem as yours I read it today then I forget it tomorrow
[18:53] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> I have read it two three times but it doesn't stick in my brain
 GNU is an OS founded by Richard Stallman almost a decade before the Linux kernel was released.
 The os was almost complete and the only major missing part was the kernel.
 In a nutshell.
 Rosalind Franklin got no credit for discovering DNA double helix. Crick and Watson did. Rosalind did not have a penis. They did
 @vanyasem, There is a valid argument against calling it GNU/Linux.
 As the system consists of a lot of components nowadays.
 So if we follow the logic, it will become GNU/Linux/Systemd/Xorg/Firefox/etc
 I just don't agree with Linus on a lot of things, so I tend to call it GNU + Linux.
 Let's stop the discussion, ok?
[19:01] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> No
[19:01] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Keep going
[19:04] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @vanyasem, But as per your argument only it will be too difficult to call any distro by it's real name... Considering the all the packages you will have to name ... But if you just choose to refer it as Linux as without it cannot run. It will make life easier ... Also we don't call it Android/Linux  ( I hope I am not wrong with this name) or perhaps aosp/linux
 I call it just Android or Java/Linux if I feel like it.
[19:05] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> If it is running on top of Linux kernel I think it will be good to call it a Linux "system" (emphasis on system)
 We dont say Ubuntu/Linux. We call it just Ubuntu. Or GNU/Linux.
[19:06] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @Vijay Kumar, Which will eventually get shortened to Linux 😂
 You are confused between the names of particular distributions and the overall name of the whole thing.
[19:08] <tgBot> * DanChapman <sighs> and turns off notifications for a while....
[19:08] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @vanyasem, I cannot deny that. But I cannot affirm that either CZ I am confused. 😔😔😉😉
 Vijay, either drop the subject or PM me.
[19:09] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Let's stop this conversation @vanyasem  as I am sure better people than me have tried to talk (cannot say for sure about you) and they did not reach to a conclusion.
 @DanChapman, I apologise.
[19:09] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Me too @DanChapman
[19:11] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @vanyasem can I pm ? I do really want to understand this thing.
 I say GNU/Linux because whenever I say that Android is Linux people get offended and confused. Why? Because it isn't "regular"  Linux. In fact I had a cybersecurity student tell me that Android used AT&T Unix. People are mire likely to call Debian FreeBSD, "Linux" than they are to call Android, "Linux". Too many, Linux is an operating system composed of the GNU operating system, likely the Linux kernel and maybe some other "standard" components.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CYdcnB0j/file_287.mp4
 @Vijay Kumar, Can I suggest you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw8K460vx1c
 There is also a Revolution OS 2, but I can find only italian version...
 I think we're beating a dead horse.
 @UniversalSuperBox, So anger management?
 sigh
 Changing the subject - the original aim of UBports was to ship UT to as many devices as possible. That was when Canonical was driving development. Now that UBports has become the developer, efficient project management suggest the fewer devices the better. One device the optimum option. Counter arguments - support base and their legacy devices. Learning points from trial on multiple hardware platforms?
 In terms of dependencies, contributing to and furthering Halium means a lot for both us and the "GCC/Linux on Android phones" community. More devices running Halium means more people can test.
 More testers means more gets done.
 In an ideal world, one handset so cheap that anyone can acquire one would provide that extended base of testers
 In the real world, devices that are that cheap either don't have unlockable bootloaders or don't have open source trees available.
 Old devices?
 Old kernels. Even the Nexus 5 and FP2 that we're working on are less than ideal since they ship with 3.4, lacking features without backports
 And... unlockable bootloaders haven't become "cool" until recently, so it's actually kinda hard to find easily unlockable phones
 Agreed. No point have a system which works beautifully but only on antique equipment
 And Samsung is out of the question since they do weird things with silicon, drivers, bootloaders, and recovery.
 Pardon my ignorance but could Raspberry pi be built into a handset emulator, at least in part?
 Hmm... Well, actually wouldn't be as much work as everything else since we wouldn't need to use Halium
 Don't know if Mir supports the Pi GPU, though.
 I mean to create a very large base of testers. School projects etc
 BTW I have no idea what Halium, Mir are. Will do some reading
 Mir is Canonical's display server, announced to replace X
 It was dropped along with Ubuntu Touch and Unity 8.
 Well, "dropped"
 They're planning on using Mir for IoT projects now.
 @Stereofont, that's pretty far from the actual feeling of a phone though, and with all components the price will be way over 100$. Compare that to a nexus 5, that can be found for about 80$ if you're patient
 I felt that the momentum of the Touch phone project was too slow. I used my phone as main phone for a year and it didn't 'transform'. Momentum is crucial I think
 Halium is a common set of libraries and programs to run a GCC-based Linux distro on an Android device. This is because Android Inc (or was is LLC?) created Bionic, a C common library that sported less battery and CPU use than gcc at the time. Basically it's an entirely different language to gcc in some ways. Halium includes libhybris, which translates between Bionic and gcc; ofono/ril, which controls Android modems; and a few other things.
 So repurposing other people's cast offs? Good
 Kiinda. Bionic isn't abandoned, it's still very alive.
 Oh, you're replying to Jan
 No. To you
 i am confused
 but that's part of my personality
 @neothethird, Welcome to my life
 @neothethird, True for the individual but for schools and colleges projects around Raspberry pi more likely to get support because they are curriculum?
 Maybe. But it isn't a way to show off a mobile OS (or convergence), just a DE running on Linux.
 i guess we wouldn't be opposed to someone creating an image for the raspberry pi, but we would probably not allocate resources to it ourselves. Also, i think dalton has a point with mir becoming a problem for the pi
 @UniversalSuperBox, True. But perhaps a contributor to that end.
 Might be something @jsalatas wants to do, but I wouldn't guarantee it.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/OrhypvlA/file_289.jpg
 uh
 Was that shot on an Ubuntu phone, @S_Greg ?
 Sorry, wrong place ;)
 @UniversalSuperBox, oh. We'll just assume this is the case since it's a nice picture.
 lol
 @UniversalSuperBox, What's that? Sorry I didn't follow the conversation
 If not a whole phone can the pi clamp onto part of a phone and make use of it? (apologies if this sounds ridiculous). I don't know enough
 @jsalatas, Debian/Ubuntu image with Yunit for the Pi
 Not this time. Unfortunately my bq4.5 is dead. For some reason memory is full and have no way to reset/reinstall
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh!..... :\ … Now? :)
 @Stereofont, There are USB modems and touchscreens. Someone posted a Pi phone with a 2G modem here a couple days ago... not very practical
 ... as is locked and locked and crashes when try to go to settings...
 @jsalatas, No, not at all. Unless you want to. Your perogative.
 I dropped my 4.5 down the toilet. Still works kinda
 I hate to be the negative nelly about this, but even with yunit working on the raspberry pi, you would still be pretty far away from a ubuntu touch 15.04 as it's running on the phones...
 Indeed.
 Yeah, will try to reflush, but is tricky. As I said - can't access settings to unlock developer mode
 @UniversalSuperBox, I guess I'll take a rain check for now :)
 @S_Greg, Hmm... can you not use adb from recovery when developer mode is off?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Not to carry around. To test with though
 Still feels kinda impractical...
 @S_Greg, You mean reflash but I see where you got that from 😀
 @Stereofont, i see where you're getting at, it's just very difficult to get there...
 @Stereofont, lol
 Hmm... https://forums.ubports.com/topic/509/looking-for-new-maintainer-developer-for-textsecure-signal-app
 I didn't know the Signal app was still working.
 @UniversalSuperBox, No, no successfully,. After attempting still the same clogged/full no idea what memory.. (sorry for spelling, not native English speaker)
 For some reason I'm stuck with this,
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 @UniversalSuperBox, written in go :/
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 Used awesome tool to reinstall ubports from Ubuntu touch
 eh... which tool?
 i suspect he's talking about arcane phone utility
 Hmm, I think it's wizardry equipment apparatus
 @S_Greg, SD card still in the slot?
 @UniversalSuperBox, holy gadget instrument?
 Right, when go back home will let u know exactly what I'm using and what's going wrong where. @Lionelb yes, I think SD was in the slot.. next time will remove
 hi
 Do you have news about the bug on the BQ m10 FHD?
 @Stereofont, that shouldn't matter, but it doesn't hurt trying again
 @Sconio, *the* bug?
 Yes, the bug!
 Don't you know?
 maybe i missed a memo
 The bug!
 right, that one
 @Sconio, !
 @Sconio, !
[21:19] <Mister_Q> @UniversalSuperBox you mean the bug where magic example script is not preinstalled ?
 not acces setting
 Oh, shoot! We need to get right on that!
[21:20] <Mister_Q> yeah please fix it upstream in debian and then make it preinstalled on ubuntu. thanks
 @Sconio, what channel is that on?
 As for @Sconio, what have tyou tried to do to troubleshoot?
 For the moment I reinstall but still problem
 Hmm. You have Ubuntu Tweak Tool installed. Could you try clearing the data for System Settings?>
 It'll take you through the first-time setup again.
 @Sconio, can you send the logfile at ~/cache/upstart/unity-settings-daemon.log please?
 @neothethird, but do this first
 ok
 @neothethird, also ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log, please
 that is... quite a namespace.
 yeah
 welcome to namespace hell
 @demokrit atomos, http://kriscode.blogspot.it/2016/12/easy-containers-on-ubuntu-touch.html?m=1 … go to the end, he explains X forwarding. Anyway, I haven't tested it
 not such file or directory
 @Sconio, For both?
 yes
 Huh
 That's odd
 yes ..
 @UniversalSuperBox, @Sconio
 I left the default settings and uninstalled the application () then I rebooted, but it still did not allow me to access the parameters.
 I'm afraid I don't understand
 sorry
 Wait, you uninstalled ut tweak tool?
 Install it again please
 yes
 ok
 And then open it
 There's an option to clear applications cache and config
 Do that for the settings app
 ok
 I purged the application UT tweak and parameters but still the same problem
 System Settings
 I had to set all as a new installation
 ok i see
 it's ok
 But still not resolved
 in log viewer
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: Hmm. You have Ubuntu Tweak Tool installed. Could you try clearing the data for System Settings?>
 From Log Viewer, can this help me?
 "ok"
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/25401276/
 its ok ?
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 unity8
 qtmir.applications: ApplicationManager::remove(appId="ubuntu-system-settings") - before "unity8-dash,logviewer.neothethird_logviewer,ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi_ut-tweak-tool,openstore.openstore-team_openstore,ubuntu-system-settings"
 unity.topsurfacelist: removeApplication(ubuntu-system-settings)
 @Flohack, I'm trying now, but here there's no linux version... https://desktop.github.com
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/25401695/