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| jlacroix | I am testing Artful in a VM and I have a few questions. First, I read several places that there will be a vanilla GNOME session offered that doesn't have the new ubuntu tweaks and addons. I cannot find this. Is this implemented yet? | 02:54 |
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| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: what do you mean with tweaks & addons? | 02:55 |
| jlacroix | Basically, what I read is that 17.04 will have a vanilla GNOME session offered at the GDM screen, that for example, won't have the dock | 02:56 |
| jlacroix | I only see two options at the GDM screen, Ubuntu on Xorg and Ubuntu on Wayland | 02:56 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: where did you read that? | 02:56 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: its 17.10 by the way :p | 02:57 |
| jlacroix | Sorry I'm so accustomed to typing 17.04 | 02:57 |
| jlacroix | Linux Unplugged mentioned this, as did Phoronix and a few others. It was also mentioned on an Ubuntu technical doc | 02:58 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: last time i updated, didnt see such vanilla session myself | 02:58 |
| jlacroix | I installed it in a VM today and installed all updates and I didn't see the option either | 02:58 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: cant find that news article you say | 03:01 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: if you have an url perhaps? | 03:01 |
| jlacroix | One sec, looking | 03:03 |
| jlacroix | I can't find the link right now. But I think you just have to install the gnome-session package. I'm trying this now | 03:12 |
| jlacroix | Yup, that was it. Install gnome-session and the vanilla gnome session is an option | 03:13 |
| lotuspsychje | !info gnome-session | 03:13 |
| ubottu | gnome-session (source: gnome-session): GNOME Session Manager - GNOME 3 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.24.1-0ubuntu22 (artful), package size 42 kB, installed size 140 kB | 03:13 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: handy | 03:14 |
| lotuspsychje | !yay | jlacroix | 03:15 |
| ubottu | jlacroix: Glad you made it! :-) | 03:15 |
| jlacroix | I am curious how Ubuntu will keep the dotfiles between the two sessions separated | 03:15 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: you dont like the new dock? | 03:15 |
| jlacroix | I prefer to have no dock. But the thing is, you can turn the dock off without having to use the gnome-session package. However, I make tutorial videos, write blog articles, etc. So when this comes out I want to make sure I completely understand how it's designed so I give people the right information | 03:17 |
| lotuspsychje | ah ih see | 03:17 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: there will be settings for the dock to disable or autohide at final | 03:18 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: for now i tweaked it with dconf-editor | 03:18 |
| jlacroix | That's good to know, I was just about to ask that | 03:18 |
| jlacroix | Honestly, I just keep one application per workspace and I switch between them with CTRL+ALT+Up (or down) | 03:18 |
| jlacroix | I find that to be a lot easier to manage than a dock | 03:18 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: can you check in screen settings right now, if nothings new? | 03:19 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: i will love the fact that every user can choose how he/she likes | 03:19 |
| jlacroix | Yes, it's there (the autohide option) | 03:20 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 03:20 |
| jlacroix | I am curious about the technical details about how the two sessions were designed. I also utilize Ansible to configure my desktop for me so I will probably need to dive into this so I understand it better before release | 03:20 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah interesting | 03:21 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: im also curious how wayland will perform | 03:21 |
| jlacroix | I read that Canonical has fixed the bluetooth issues, which always bugged me in the past | 03:21 |
| jlacroix | On Fedora, Wayland was far superior in speed than Xorg | 03:22 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah alot of BT issues in the past for sure | 03:22 |
| jlacroix | I tested it out there for a short while | 03:22 |
| jlacroix | I wonder if the bluetooth fixes are patched into GNOME, or if they added an additional package that contains the fixes? | 03:22 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: i think that might be in kernel fixes? | 03:23 |
| jlacroix | I doubt it | 03:23 |
| jlacroix | The issues seemed to be independent of the kernel, It seemed to be annoying issues like the GUI not selecting the bluetooth speaker by default, etc | 03:24 |
| jlacroix | !info gnome-bluetooth | 03:24 |
| ubottu | gnome-bluetooth (source: gnome-bluetooth): GNOME Bluetooth tools. In component main, is optional. Version 3.20.1-1ubuntu1 (artful), package size 50 kB, installed size 296 kB (Only available for linux-any) | 03:24 |
| jlacroix | I have a feeling that might be it | 03:25 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 03:25 |
| lotuspsychje | that sounds logical | 03:25 |
| jlacroix | I'm very excited about this release. I am using it in a VM right now. I can't wait to upgrade | 03:26 |
| lotuspsychje | i have a testbox :p | 03:26 |
| lotuspsychje | http://imgur.com/a/q7Yem | 03:26 |
| jlacroix | Nice, what theme are you using? | 03:27 |
| lotuspsychje | dark | 03:28 |
| lotuspsychje | default installed | 03:28 |
| lotuspsychje | dragged dock to bottom with size with dconf | 03:28 |
| jlacroix | I'm using VimixDark theme, but sometimes Firefox progress bars don't show up right | 03:29 |
| jlacroix | Have you played steam games on 17.10 yet? | 03:35 |
| lotuspsychje | jlacroix: no didnt test, just tested an online shooter from repos | 03:37 |
| StrangeNoises | hm. some update in 17.10 today has partially broken hidpi support that was working yesterday. god knows which package... | 11:30 |
| StrangeNoises | mouse pointers, fonts in gnome top bar & indicators, and in non-gnome gtk and qt apps (eg: hexchat, nextcloud client) all back to scaling factor 1. | 11:32 |
| ducasse | check the end of /var/log/apt/history.log to see which packages was updated last, might help you narrow it down | 11:37 |
| ducasse | StrangeNoises: ^^ | 11:40 |
| StrangeNoises | bunch of xserver packages. also gnome-session and ubuntu-session packages. i mention the latter because it seems that org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor now seems to be inoperable (changes nothing) | 11:40 |
| StrangeNoises | i wasn't ignoring you, but i had the window covered up for a bit while i was looking at gsettings | 11:40 |
| StrangeNoises | :-) | 11:40 |
| StrangeNoises | there's a com.ubuntu.user-interface scale-factor but its current value is... weird. "@a{si} {}" so i don't know what to try with that. don't know if corruption or meaningful | 11:42 |
| ducasse | thought you might have switched channels :) i don't use gnome at all nor do i use hidpi, so i can't help much... | 11:44 |
| StrangeNoises | i'd report a bug if could identify the package at fault | 11:44 |
| StrangeNoises | this machine's nvidia, can only use xorg. I also have a machine running it with wayland, so i guess it'll be informative to see if the same problem occurs there | 11:45 |
| ducasse | the package is not really that important if you can clearly describe the problem, the devs will just reassign it to the correct package. | 11:46 |
| ducasse | ...as they generally have a good idea what's changed :) | 11:47 |
| StrangeNoises | right, let's break the other machine and see if it affects wayland :-) | 11:48 |
| ducasse | :) | 11:49 |
| StrangeNoises | oh that's interesting, it's not getting the xserver updates. xorg is installed even if i'm not using it | 11:50 |
| ducasse | is it using the same mirror? | 11:51 |
| StrangeNoises | i believe so. it's got the same versions already of those packages. let's - before the upgrade - try logging in under xorg... | 11:52 |
| StrangeNoises | no error | 11:52 |
| StrangeNoises | ok, let's do the upgrade | 11:52 |
| StrangeNoises | which if it happens then, points the finger at one of the gnome-session / gnome-settings / ubuntu-session packages | 11:54 |
| StrangeNoises | yep, there we go | 11:55 |
| StrangeNoises | and in wayland too. right. | 11:56 |
| ducasse | hmmm... ok. are the old versions still in the package cache? | 11:57 |
| ducasse | if they're there or on the mirror, try downgrading one by one? | 11:58 |
| StrangeNoises | i suspect /usr/share/session-migration/scripts/unity-gnome-shell-migration.18.08.py in ubuntu-session. although the date in the name implies it's older. anyway it resets a bunch of scaling factor stuff. nothing that looks desperately wrong but worth a look | 11:59 |
| StrangeNoises | let's report it to there anyway. its maintainers ought to know where better to send it as you say | 12:03 |
| ducasse | try that, yes. | 12:04 |
| ducasse | you might want to keep an eye on this channel to see if others report the same problem if this update was just released. | 12:05 |
| StrangeNoises | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1713323 fwiw | 12:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1713323 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "HiDPI support partially broken after upgrade" [Undecided,New] | 12:46 |
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