[00:05] <jbicha> jamesh: if I set [connectivity] enabled=false in /etc/ or /usr/lib/ , I can't use gnome-control-center to override that :(
[01:05] <jamesh> jbicha: yeah.  The enabled key is only meant to be set from the -intern.conf file
[01:06] <jamesh> jbicha: I was originally setting interval=0 to disable checking, and upstream asked me to change it to a separate key (so that a distro patch that changed the connectivity check settings wouldn't interfere)
[04:28] <jamesh> robert_ancell: fyi, I made this PR: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/14
[04:29] <jamesh> robert_ancell: not sure if it is worth merging until there is agreement that the matching snapd change is okay though
[04:29] <robert_ancell> jamesh, ah yes. I saw it last week and forgot about it.
[04:29] <robert_ancell> Yeah, I think land it once it's in use upstream.
[04:29] <jamesh> robert_ancell: you were on holiday.  Not a problem :)
[04:29] <robert_ancell> I was wondering if there's any naming convention with other libs?
[04:30] <jamesh> I'm not sure if anyone else is doing polkit authoirsation for HTTP over local sockets
[04:30] <robert_ancell> probably not :)
[04:31] <robert_ancell> I guess they just have a D-Bus arg for interaction if needed
[04:31] <jamesh> CUPS is probably the only one where it makes sense, and I don't think they do polkit at all
[04:32] <jamesh> For D-Bus, they defined a message flag for it: https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#message-protocol-messages
[04:33] <jamesh> no need for a message argument
[04:36] <robert_ancell> huh
[04:36] <robert_ancell> jamesh, could you rebase the branch?
[04:55] <jamesh> robert_ancell: sure.
[05:17] <robert_ancell> jamesh, if you wanted to split out the 'last_request_headers' change in mock-snapd.c we could land that now
[05:20] <jamesh> robert_ancell: I guess it depends on how quick the snapd folks look at my other PRs
[05:21] <jamesh> mvo was interested in fast tracking them for 2.28, and if that happens it shouldn't matter much
[05:21] <jamesh> also, it's just a test cleanup
[05:52] <jibel> morning
[05:59] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:05] <duflu> Morning jibel, oSoMoN
[06:05] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, jibel
[06:05] <oSoMoN> you guys had a good week-end?
[06:14] <duflu> oSoMoN, moving furniture :P You?
[06:33] <jibel> oSoMoN, yes, preparing for the new school year that starts tomorrow ...
[06:38] <oSoMoN> duflu, yeah, had some friends over and enjoyed the nice weather outside
[06:38] <oSoMoN> jibel, good luck with that!
[06:39] <oSoMoN> IIRC the school year starts around the 12th of September here
[07:59] <c-lobrano> Hi all
[07:59] <c-lobrano>  Trevinho, Laney I pushed in review the fix for bug 1712996
[07:59] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: thanks
[07:59] <Mirv> as an user I find it still confusing why Ubuntu offers my to disable secure boot so often
[08:00] <Mirv> but I guess it's on all machines that have any dkms, so that includes Dell OEM machines
[08:00] <Mirv> but then again it doesn't seem to detect if there's any problem keeping secure boot enabled or not
[08:00] <Mirv> and for me eg Virtualbox works fine too with secure boot enabled, which I thought might be a problem given it's external module
[08:01] <Mirv> (this is on 16.04)
[08:02] <Mirv> does anyone have any thoughts on what could be improved? I've thought about it, but then again I feel I don't understand the whole and don't know how eg the texts could be clearer for average user.
[08:06] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1700100 what do you think to do? We apply that only for boxes, or have you been able to reproduce it also in FFox /TB?
[08:08] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: sorry, I haven't had more time to look into their code, but actually, on 17.04, Firefox and Thunderbird's dimmed text is visible on my machine
[08:09] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: ok, fair enough....
[08:09] <Trevinho> no worries
[08:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:10] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:10] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[08:10] <Trevinho> good morning!
[08:11] <seb128> Mirv, secure boot is not really a -desktop topic, you might have more luck on -devel
[08:11] <Trevinho> seb128: how are you?
[08:11] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm good thanks! how are you?
[08:11] <Trevinho> seb128: good, back to italy! :)
[08:12] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128 !
[08:12] <seb128> Trevinho, enough of the crazy life for now? decided to have a quiet hacking week? ;-)
[08:12] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[08:12] <Trevinho> seb128: not really, as I'm not staying at my place anyway... It's time for sicily :)
[08:13] <Mirv> seb128: true, although the desktop UX of it is
[08:13] <Trevinho> but, I actually work better when under stress :-D
[08:13] <seb128> lol
[08:14] <seb128> Trevinho, and nothing is as stressful as working from a swimming pool where your laptop, call fall into water, right? ;-)
[08:14] <Trevinho> ahah, yeah...
[08:14] <Trevinho> it's pushing you to stay focused
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:13] <oSoMoN> hey flexiondotorg
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> Bank holiday in the UK today :-D
[09:17] <oSoMoN> ah, I was starting to wonder why it was so quiet here today… :)
[09:17] <oSoMoN> enjoy
[09:36] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, I guess this would do it https://paste.debian.net/plain/983346
[09:49] <oSoMoN> ricotz, that’s exactly what I was looking into
[10:04] <ricotz> oSoMoN, better let this go in with 5.4.1
[10:05] <oSoMoN> same branch anyway
[10:05] <ricotz> oSoMoN, this fix should appear in debian repo shortly too
[10:36] <ricotz> oSoMoN, :(
[10:39] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I assumed you understood to wait for a complete fix
[10:51] <oSoMoN> ricotz, how is that not a complete fix?
[10:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, like the missing Conflicts/Replaces
[10:58] <oSoMoN> true, I'll wait for the complete fix in the debian repo and will merge it back (if you don't beat me to it, which you most probably will)
[11:07] <ricotz> oSoMoN, btw, did you already wrote that patch before I pasted it?
[11:10] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I was double-checking it when I saw your paste, but I saw highlight on IRC late, so can't say who wrote it first, probably you ;)
[11:14] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I see, makes it a bit more questionable that you already pushed it, so try to get an opinion on changes before pushing them
[11:21] <oSoMoN> ricotz, well I would have asked had you not suggested an identical patch
[11:29] <ricotz> oSoMoN, okay
[12:50] <christoph> hi, does anyone know a tool to emulate android apps and check outgoing traffic ?
[12:50] <christoph> like google chrome inspector
[13:41] <jbicha> kenvandine: here's a basic patch to disable alarms in gnome-clocks https://paste.debian.net/983376/
[13:42] <jbicha> the first line of the help still says "Use Clocks as a stopwatch, a timer, to set alarms and to check the time in different cities."
[13:43] <jbicha> changing that string breaks translations. I guess we could just remove that intro line though…
[13:44] <kenvandine> jbicha, i was thinking more of using a define somewhere
[13:45] <kenvandine> WITH_ALARMS kind of thing
[13:45] <kenvandine> something that could go upstream
[13:46] <jbicha> ok, maybe
[13:47] <kenvandine> should be useful for others too, the lack of reliable alarms isn't ubuntu specific
[13:47] <kenvandine> i wonder if there are plans for a background service for that
[13:47] <jbicha> I think systemd timers is the way to go for that
[13:48] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:48] <kenvandine> but i think systemd would need a user daemon to interact with it
[13:48] <kenvandine> i guess it would just trigger opening the UI
[13:48] <kenvandine> to dismiss the alarm, etc
[13:49] <gQuigs> my initial expectation would be the alarms should work even if I'm not logged in, not sure how easy that would be.... - and especially still work if screen is locked
[13:50] <kenvandine> that would require gdm support
[13:51] <kenvandine> oh, and wake the computer when asleep
[13:51] <kenvandine> there's a bug for that
[13:51] <kenvandine> not sure how i feel about that
[13:51] <kenvandine> i'd hate my laptop to wake up while in my backpack
[13:52] <gQuigs> yea, I can see why that's complicated now..
[13:57] <seb128> I don't think laptop users expect their laptop to wake up for reminders
[13:57] <seb128> it's not a phone
[13:58] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:58] <kenvandine> but i can imagine a college student trying to use this as their alarm
[13:58] <kenvandine> anyway, the UI should make it obvious that it won't wake
[13:59] <kenvandine> it's a complicated problem :)
[13:59] <seb128> is any other computer OS doing the "wake up computer on reminders"?
[14:01] <seb128> but yeah it's complicated
[14:02] <seb128> I think displaying a dialog in an unlocked session would be good enough to ship it
[14:02] <jbicha> maybe: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-desktop/with-windows-10-when-in-sleep-mode-will-the-alarm/c1f38df1-d9e2-43f0-8149-89c18191de96
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, right, some modern configs have that, but I don't think it would work on any system
[14:03] <jbicha> that's almost worse than not supporting it at all: it might work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:03] <kenvandine> indeed
[14:03] <seb128> right
[14:44] <seb128> does anyone has a standard/right way to get the multiarch dir from a standard install set (e.g no dpkg-architecture from dpkg-dev)?
[15:13] <andyrock> is there a way to debug failures in g_task_run_in_thread?
[15:13] <andyrock> like an enviroment variable
[15:13] <oSoMoN> ricotz, you didn't cherry-pick https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/commit/?h=debian-experimental-5.4&id=e484318397ae407b418a55955c64104324a85e10 in your wip branch, is that intentional?
[15:18] <seb128> andyrock, try asking on #gnome-hackers, we are low on GTK hackers around, especially with u.k off today
[15:29] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: I was looking again at bug 1700100 to make the fix available everywhere, however the color change is applicable only to labels inside a box with "boxes-menu-row" class, which exists only in GNOME Boxes (I guess) and I don't think it'd be ok to add it in gtk-widgets.css. Any idea?
[15:29] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: ah, fair enough..
[15:29] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: let's go with that then
[15:30] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: ok, I'll copy the change on Radiance then and push it again
[15:34] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: thanks
[15:41] <c-lobrano> yw
[15:42] <ricotz> oSoMoN, of course!
[15:43] <ricotz> oSoMoN, you want to drop kde support ;)
[15:44] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yeah stupid question, I was going over the list of commits and didn't really look into the implications of that one :)
[15:45] <ricotz> oSoMoN, let me know if *I* can push those things, don't merge/push that branch yourself
[15:45] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yeah it's fine
[15:47] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I suppose we want that one: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/commit/?h=debian-experimental-5.4&id=bcd1bc95a08c80cc20e3795bf789fadadb6eb370
[15:47] <ricotz> oSoMoN, no
[15:48] <ricotz> coinmp is not enabled anyway
[15:49] <ricotz> oSoMoN, since this is only about cherry-picking, there is no need to pick things without effect
[15:50] <ricotz> this will be picked up with a merge in preparation for 6.0
[15:55] <oSoMoN> ok
[16:13] <ricotz> oSoMoN, what is up with 5.3.6 for zesty?
[16:16] <andyrock> seb128: #gnome-hackers looks a bit empty :D
[16:17] <andyrock> never mind
[16:17] <ricotz> andyrock, wrong server ;)
[16:17] <andyrock> i realized that  :D
[16:24] <jbicha> kenvandine: I don't know how to edit the help page or remove the extra shortcuts from the Keyboard Shortcuts overlay https://paste.debian.net/983401/
[16:25] <ricotz> oSoMoN, rebased and pushed my wip branch
[16:25] <kenvandine> jbicha, the help page is an issue
[16:26] <kenvandine> they help text could just be changed to add "if supported" somewhere
[16:26] <kenvandine> but that isn't great either
[16:27] <kenvandine> ugh... my gedit snap that hasn't been touched in ages no longer starts... "Bad system call"
[16:27] <kenvandine> sigh
[16:29] <kenvandine> maybe i had a local snap installed, just installed it from the store and it works :)
[16:30] <kenvandine> false alarm
[16:39] <jbicha> I'm sure there's a way to hack the help page build but it may take a while to figure out how to do it
[17:00] <oSoMoN> ricotz, on my list but didn't get to it yet
[17:11] <ricotz> ok
[18:20] <amano> Re alarms: I miss the times when mobiles would power on reliably only to set off an alarm (eg after powering off due to low akku). Most modern smartphones cannot do that (the Huawei being an example).
[22:32] <mcphail> robert_ancell: Hi. popey and sil suggested I ping you about an issue with Ubuntu Software. Are you awake?
[22:33] <robert_ancell> mcphail, sure am
[22:33] <popey> :)
[22:33] <mcphail> robert_ancell: cool :) - Let me link a screenshot...
[22:34] <mcphail> https://ovh.themcphails.uk/index.php/s/0pcBDXU0zztzS6a
[22:34] <mcphail> This is a deb created with game-data-packager. It is about 2.9 GB, rather than 18 exabytes...
[22:34] <mcphail> http://termbin.com/32q7
[22:34] <robert_ancell> huh
[22:35] <mcphail> It is proprietary stuff, and too large to upload and attach to a bug report. Any idea what the issue may be?
[22:35] <robert_ancell> mcphail, is this done by double clicking on the .deb?
[22:35] <mcphail> robert_ancell: yes
[22:35] <robert_ancell> mcphail, which Ubuntu release / gnome-software version?
[22:36] <mcphail> Ubuntu 16.04. Let me check gnome-sofyware version...
[22:36] <robert_ancell> I'm guessing there might be an overflow. I can probably reproduce by hacking a .deb with metadata that matches that one
[22:36] <popey> You don't have a Quake4 DVD lying around? shame.. :)
[22:36] <mcphail> gnome-software 3.20.5
[22:37] <mcphail> I can pop a DVD in the post :)
[22:38] <robert_ancell> mcphail, can you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+filebug with that info and I'll see if I can reproduce.
[22:38] <mcphail> The deb behaves fine, btw, when installed by dpkg -i
[22:38] <robert_ancell> Probably don't want to send me a DVD or I'll end up playing Quake 4 :)
[22:38] <popey> mcphail: does gdebi show the right size? (does gdebi show any size at all?)
[22:42] <mcphail> popey: yes, gdebi shows the correct size
[22:45] <robert_ancell> bonus points if you can try it in artful - it uses a different method for accessing .debs
[22:49] <mcphail> robert_ancell: I can give it a shot, but I won't get a chance to install artful for a few days I'm afraid
[22:50] <robert_ancell> mcphail, ok, don't worry about it, I'll reproduce here if I can
[22:51] <mcphail> robert_ancell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1713586
[22:51] <robert_ancell> mcphail, thanks!
[22:52] <mcphail> robert_ancell: np. Cheers!