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| sil2100 | o/ | 15:00 |
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| cpaelzer | o/ | 15:00 |
| BenC | o/ | 15:00 |
| micahg | o/ | 15:00 |
| cpaelzer | I don't know all you geographies, but given that there seems to be a UK public holiday at least rbasak might be missing | 15:00 |
| bdmurray | o/ | 15:00 |
| BenC | Not sure if anyone’s in USA-TX, but that may also affect availability. | 15:01 |
| cyphermox | I don't think anyone is | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | We have at least 4 members, so that's good enough to start I suppose? | 15:03 |
| tsimonq2 | But wait... that's quorum, no? | 15:03 |
| tsimonq2 | sil2100: jinx :) | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | quorum is 4, indeed. | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | but you can't count me, I expired. | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | + cyphermox, but he's ekhm, expired :< | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | we can address that and voting for DMB membership at the end no? | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | Yeah | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | Ok, I guess I'll chair today | 15:05 |
| sil2100 | #startmeeting DMB | 15:05 |
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| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:05 |
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| sil2100 | #topic Review of previous action items | 15:05 |
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| sil2100 | I only see one previous action item on the agenda: "rbasak to handle flexiondotorg's request for adding mate-hud to the MATE package set" | 15:06 |
| sil2100 | Not sure if rbasak is around today | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | I thought he had a follow up question that went unanswered. | 15:06 |
| cpaelzer | he is one of the UK people with public holiday today | 15:07 |
| sil2100 | Ah, ok | 15:07 |
| cpaelzer | But flexiondotorg is added according to ubuntu-upload-permission | 15:07 |
| cpaelzer | $ ubuntu-upload-permission mate-hud --list-uploaders | 15:07 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: thanks | 15:07 |
| sil2100 | I think we also had one meeting where meetingology wasn't working, not sure if we captured those action items in the agenda | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | Ah, yes, we did | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | "sil2100 to send out a DMB nomination reminder, including information about what happens if there are few nominations." | 15:09 |
| sil2100 | This is done and we got one more nomination for LocutusOfBorg | 15:09 |
| sil2100 | We'll talk about that at the end of the meeting | 15:09 |
| sil2100 | "bdmurray follow up with BenC regarding meeting times" | 15:09 |
| rbasak | o/ | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray, BenC: ^ did that happen? | 15:10 |
| rbasak | Sorry I'm late. | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: o/ hey! No worries, there is quorum | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | Actually, all active members are present now, nice | 15:10 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: Yes it did | 15:10 |
| rbasak | It's a public holiday here today. I lost track of the time :-/ | 15:10 |
| BenC | It did. I conveyed that I am open to whatever times, but during work hours (current meetings are 11am and 3pm) things can come up that make it difficult to attend. | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | Excellent | 15:11 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: you were excused, I made sure everyone knew that you have a public holiday | 15:11 |
| sil2100 | Ok, so let's move on | 15:11 |
| sil2100 | We have a few applicants, some mentioned doing their applications through e-mail | 15:12 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2 I guess you're available now, right? | 15:12 |
| rbasak | FWIW, I'd much prefer to handle applications in our regular meetings if possible. | 15:12 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeahp. | 15:12 |
| tsimonq2 | (I didn't think I would be, fwiw) | 15:12 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: +1 | 15:13 |
| cpaelzer | I didn't want to break the process either, if there ever is the "need" to do per mail pelase say so | 15:13 |
| sil2100 | Ok, since tsimonq2's application was supposed to be earlier, I'd say let's start here | 15:13 |
| micahg | we've sometimes offered applicants who were bumped to apply by mail, but it usually ends up dragging out past the next meeting, so it doesn't make sense to continue doing so | 15:14 |
| micahg | bumped due to no quorum | 15:14 |
| sil2100 | #topic MOTU Applications | 15:14 |
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| sil2100 | #subtopic Simon Quigley | 15:14 |
| sil2100 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2/Applications/MOTU | 15:14 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2: could you introduce yourself? :) | 15:15 |
| tsimonq2 | Hi, my name is Simon Quigley, I'm a 15 year old living in Wisconsin, USA, and I've been an Ubuntu Member for 2.5 years now (I help with stuff like UWN and Lubuntu Release Management, and a couple more things). I have wanted to apply for MOTU for a while, but the documentation was (and quite frankly still is, Kubuntu was a big help) too poor to get me started. | 15:15 |
| tsimonq2 | For reference: Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2 | 15:15 |
| tsimonq2 | Let me know if you have any questions. :) | 15:15 |
| sil2100 | (I'll need a minute to read your application as I only prepared for cpaelzer's case today) | 15:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Ok :) | 15:16 |
| rbasak | tsimonq2: you mean the documentation to apply for MOTU, or to become active with MOTU, or something else? | 15:16 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: Well, the Packaging Guide and some wiki pages associated with it use a lot of outdated syntax (like, bzr stuff) | 15:16 |
| rbasak | Ah, I see. So documentation on generally doing packaging work? | 15:17 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: Very confusing if you're a contributor knowing nothing about the Ubuntu development side of things | 15:17 |
| rbasak | I appreciate that's a mess atm. | 15:17 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah. | 15:17 |
| tsimonq2 | I didn't say anything when mitya57 said something on the mailing list (but should have, I have an active interest in updating it) | 15:17 |
| rbasak | FTR, I'm focusing on "git ubuntu" as the future recommended and documented way of doing things. | 15:17 |
| rbasak | Hopefully that'll avoid much of the cruft. | 15:17 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: I hope so too :) | 15:18 |
| tsimonq2 | Git is really really nice. | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | Anyway, in the meantime, feel free to ask tsimonq2 questions | 15:19 |
| tsimonq2 | But we can follow up later or another day about that... my point is, the documentation for new contributors is not as up-to-date as it should be. | 15:19 |
| * rbasak is catching up with the application | 15:19 | |
| * BenC is as well | 15:19 | |
| bdmurray | tsimonq2: You say that you could be a bit more patient. How does your impatience appear in your work? | 15:21 |
| sil2100 | http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=simon+Quigley&sponsoree_search=name <- sponsorship miner lookup | 15:22 |
| tsimonq2 | bdmurray: So, every day I learn new tricks for my workflow, but there have been times (non security updates or SRUs, I test those heavily) where I've done iterations on a fix and then "just submitted" to my sponsor because I know they'll run it through sbuild/pbuild, and then they'll find mistakes because I wasn't patient enough to let sbuild finish... :P | 15:23 |
| micahg | I notice that a lot of the recent merges don't seem to close tracking bugs in launchpad | 15:24 |
| BenC | tsimonq2: To quote Adam Conrad “pbuild is not a test bed” :) | 15:24 |
| tsimonq2 | (it's also a point to make that nowadays I'll often upload it to ppa:tsimonq2/universe-upload-testing and let it build there, then have $sponsor trigger autopkgtests so I can test those, that seems like a decent workflow) | 15:25 |
| bdmurray | tsimonq2: But if you have upload rights won't the $sponsor part be gone? | 15:25 |
| tsimonq2 | bdmurray: But then I can trigger those tests myself, no? | 15:26 |
| BenC | Yeah, you’ll need to move that part of your workflow locally given the removal of the stop-gap that being in MOTU provides. | 15:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Sure, I should put the same amount of effort in testing (i.e. build it locally, etc.) as with SRUs and security updates. | 15:27 |
| tsimonq2 | I have the workflow (all of the tools set up (<3 sbuild)) but it's just a matter of making 100% sure that it works. | 15:28 |
| tsimonq2 | But yeah, that won't be a hard thing to do. | 15:28 |
| rbasak | tsimonq2: can you upload anything already without sponsorship? Or would MOTU be the first? | 15:28 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: MOTU would be the first | 15:28 |
| rbasak | OK | 15:28 |
| tsimonq2 | (well, with the exception of Kubuntu Backports PPAs, but that's a different thing) | 15:29 |
| tsimonq2 | (and that's not technically the archive) | 15:29 |
| rbasak | Can you give us some examples of when it would not be suitable to upload something please? For example if someone is asking you for sponsorship, what might you consider? | 15:29 |
| tsimonq2 | 1. What does the Ubuntu delta look like? (my sponsors have been really big in helping me reduce those) | 15:30 |
| tsimonq2 | 2. Does it build? | 15:30 |
| tsimonq2 | 3. Is the diff/needed changes correct? | 15:30 |
| tsimonq2 | I won't want to upload something that should go to Debian (trivial things like Standards-version bumps, etc.) unless there's circumstances that justify it | 15:30 |
| rbasak | Good answers, thanks. What about Ubuntu's release cycle? What are the events in the release cycle that might need consideration before upload? | 15:31 |
| tsimonq2 | Feature Freeze | 15:31 |
| tsimonq2 | That goshdarn Feature Freeze :P | 15:31 |
| rbasak | Any others? | 15:32 |
| tsimonq2 | But yeah, just in general anything on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule | 15:32 |
| rbasak | How might you determine if a particular package's bugfix you're about to upload is affected by a beta milestone freeze? | 15:33 |
| BenC | And have you ever stopped yourself from uploading based on these conditions, or has it always been a sponsor guiding you? What instances have you self regulated your upload in light of the conditions/schedule? | 15:34 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: By looking at #ubuntu-release (which should, in theory, have it in the topic) - but to be honest, I usually assume that if images are spun up for the milestone (Monday, Tuesday *maybe*) that devel is frozen until the release of that milestone. | 15:35 |
| tsimonq2 | (which should happen, no?) | 15:35 |
| rbasak | Unseeded packages are unaffected by image testing. But if you want to be more cautious than that, then that's fine :) | 15:36 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2: as for me, a quick question - could you tell me briefly what's the difference between universe and multiverse in Ubuntu? | 15:36 |
| tsimonq2 | sil2100: MOTUs both have upload permissions for Universe and Multiverse, and Multiverse are packages with some sort of licensing issue (msttcorefonts (I think I spelled that wrong) for example), while Universe is Free-As-In-Open-Source packages. | 15:38 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: To be fair, a lot of things I have to upload at that time are in one of those packagesets :P | 15:38 |
| sil2100 | Ok | 15:38 |
| sil2100 | No more questions from me | 15:38 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2: I guess BenC had one question there for you as well ^ | 15:39 |
| tsimonq2 | BenC: No, to be honest, because there hasn't been a need to (I've done the majority of my uploads in non-FeatureFreeze devels and Stable Releases) | 15:39 |
| micahg | tsimonq2: are you done with the upload once you (or your sponsor) dput to the archive? | 15:39 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: Nope | 15:39 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: Britney <3 | 15:39 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: This is a cool little page, I don't use it for the content (as much, nice autopkgtest syntax) but it has excuses and output links: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration | 15:40 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: (when I say "Britney" I mean, make sure it migrates from -proposed) | 15:40 |
| rbasak | I have no further questions, thanks. | 15:41 |
| micahg | So, I noticed that nodejs was uploaded on 8/17 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs/6.11.2~dfsg-2ubuntu1) and is still stuck, have you done any work on this? still stuck | 15:41 |
| micahg | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#nodejs | 15:41 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: Yep, fails autopkgtest, it's on my todolist to look into | 15:42 |
| tsimonq2 | (i.e. it's rdeps do, I remember that without looking at the page) | 15:42 |
| BenC | tsimonq2: At this point, do you feel you would be able to mentor someone into starting with MOTU? | 15:43 |
| tsimonq2 | BenC: Yes, and I have already. | 15:43 |
| BenC | Excellent, that’s all I have. | 15:43 |
| sil2100 | Any other questions? | 15:44 |
| sil2100 | We have one more applicant so I'd like us to get on to voting | 15:44 |
| sil2100 | #vote Grant tsimonq2 MOTU | 15:45 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Grant tsimonq2 MOTU | 15:45 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:45 |
| rbasak | +1 | 15:45 |
| meetingology | +1 received from rbasak | 15:45 |
| bdmurray | +1 | 15:45 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdmurray | 15:45 |
| micahg | +0 a lot of great work, but I'd like to see a little more focus on shepherding things through proposed, especially things with a lot of rdeps like nodejs | 15:45 |
| meetingology | +0 a lot of great work, but I'd like to see a little more focus on shepherding things through proposed, especially things with a lot of rdeps like nodejs received from micahg | 15:46 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: Fair, thanks :) | 15:46 |
| sil2100 | +1 (I am fairly satisfied with Simon's work so far, he's still learning the ropes but to me it's sufficient for MOTU) | 15:46 |
| meetingology | +1 (I am fairly satisfied with Simon's work so far, he's still learning the ropes but to me it's sufficient for MOTU) received from sil2100 | 15:46 |
| BenC | +1 | 15:47 |
| meetingology | +1 received from BenC | 15:47 |
| sil2100 | #endvote | 15:47 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Grant tsimonq2 MOTU | 15:47 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 15:47 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:47 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2: congratulations! | 15:47 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 15:47 |
| tsimonq2 | Thanks! | 15:47 |
| tsimonq2 | \o/ | 15:47 |
| micahg | tsimonq2: congrats | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | gz tsimonq2 | 15:48 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 15:48 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2: just remember, keep working on attention to detail and be sure not to leave packages rotting in -proposed! | 15:48 |
| tsimonq2 | micahg: Like I said before, thanks for the review, I understand where you're coming from :) | 15:48 |
| tsimonq2 | sil2100: Ok, thanks :) | 15:48 |
| sil2100 | #action sil2100 to add tsimonq2 to MOTU and send announcements | 15:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 to add tsimonq2 to MOTU and send announcements | 15:48 |
| sil2100 | #topic Core Developer Applications | 15:49 |
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| sil2100 | #subtopic Christian Ehrhardt | 15:49 |
| cpaelzer | Hello everybody | 15:49 |
| sil2100 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianEhrhardt/CoreDevApplication | 15:49 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: please, introduce yourself o/ | 15:49 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2 Congratulations! Well deserved :-) | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | Hi, my name is Christian Ehrhardt | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | I'm 36 and working on Ubuntu as a main job for about 2 years now | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | formerly an active user working on Linux on Mainframes | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | which I still work on sometimes now for the server team that Im in | 15:51 |
| sil2100 | http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=christian+Ehrhardt&sponsoree_search=name <- sponsorship miner lookup | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | Being on the Server Team my daily tasks mostly focus around the virtualization stack qemu/libvirt and all its deps | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | more on dpdk/openvswitch | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | but many more | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | as there just are a lot of things distributed on (now) 4 people | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | among others I also took over postrges from pitti when he left for example (together with nacc) | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | there is so much more, not sure what to add | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | default family setup - wife, 2 kids | 15:52 |
| rbasak | FTR, cpaelzer's application seems a bit thin on endorsements; I'd be happy to add mine. | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | thanks rbasak, since I move through the applications rather quickly over the time I wanted to make sure I ahve different people every time | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | so on motu / on ppu / on core dev | 15:53 |
| bdmurray | cpaelzer: Did you ask nacc for an endorsement? | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | I didn't want the same names every time or you'd tihnk I just have a few people pushing me | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | no because he would be "too close" for the same reason I didn't ask rbasak | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | I believe in cross team endoresments carrying more weight | 15:54 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer is a colleague of mine. It's a pain that he isn't a core dev. Every so often we get blocked by something because he can't upload (or change a seed or whatever). Every time I've unblocked by sponsoring, cpaelzer's proposal has been correct and diligently formed. | 15:54 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: I'll maybe ask the usual question - how would becoming a core dev make things easier for you and others? | 15:55 |
| sil2100 | Oh, I see rbasak partially answered that ;) | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | sil2100: well he has to some extend | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | the point is - I'm not in foundations and upload core-dev things every day - surely not | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | but | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | growing into more and more ubuntu experience it happens more often to be blocked on a core-dev thing here and there | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | enought to qualify for the application we concluded a while ago | 15:56 |
| nacc | I can also add mine (sorry, was afk for a moment) (my endorsement for cpaelzer) | 15:57 |
| rbasak | I've been asking cpaelzer to keep a list of blocked-because-not-core-dev things. IIRC, seed changes, bind9 and samba at least? | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | I tracked 10 direct uploads from 24th March to 7th july that would have been core-dev tasks | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25418221/ | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | I might have forgotten one | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | but that is on the line to be often enough to kind of bottle-neck us more than it feels good | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | which is the pain rbasak mentions | 15:58 |
| cpaelzer | and in any way this isn't about blindly pushing uploads all the time - I think we are all over that - it is about being able to do so when needed | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | and in terms of extra core dev tasks like piloting I'm already active (yet on the smaller subset so far) | 15:59 |
| rbasak | So I'd probably best abstain from this vote especially as everyone else is here. As I work with cpaelzer closely I know him well and so have no questions. | 15:59 |
| rbasak | I'm happy to answer questions in respect of my endorsement of him of course. | 16:00 |
| BenC | rbalint: If you were to vote, I assume it woukd be +1? | 16:00 |
| BenC | *rbasak | 16:00 |
| rbasak | BenC: indeed | 16:01 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: I don't think you should abstain, there's no rule saying this is a bad thing - you have good understanding of his work so I don't see any reason not to | 16:01 |
| sil2100 | I wouldn't like people to think about votes being 'biased' or something | 16:01 |
| rbasak | sil2100: I'll vote if needed to break a tie or achieve quroum. | 16:01 |
| sil2100 | Makes sense | 16:02 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: besides the work you mentioned, did you have any opportunity to do out-of-team work on +1 maintenance tasks? | 16:02 |
| rbasak | Technically I suppose that's not abstaining at all because by definition if I only vote to break a tie that's the only case my vote would matter anyway. Never mind! | 16:03 |
| sil2100 | Like, helping with trensitions, resolving NBSes? | 16:03 |
| sil2100 | *transitions | 16:03 |
| cpaelzer | ah thanks, I was about to ask :-) | 16:03 |
| cpaelzer | in smaller parts I meet transitions in the virt stack every cycle, but havn't pushed a full scale transition like a toolchain | 16:04 |
| cpaelzer | I worked with nacc postgresql | 16:04 |
| cpaelzer | which will likely next cycle meet such a transition | 16:04 |
| sil2100 | Ok | 16:04 |
| cpaelzer | NBS I met in some sense | 16:05 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: while we're at it, do you know what an NBS is and how one can potentially resolve it? | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | the one that lib versions disappear - that was a big issue in DPDK (crazy soname handling - bleieve me) | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | the outcome of that was that I eventually drove a change upstream that allows downstreams to define a major ABI (a bit like libboost) | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | that is not adapted by Debian and Ubuntu and it seems other Distros soon | 16:06 |
| cpaelzer | sil2100: on your follow on questison now ... | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | while resolving often has a lot more details, the "main" part is to get all rdeps updated and no more depending on the old one | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | NBS can be more than soname drops thou | 16:07 |
| cpaelzer | I didn't face the upstream-rename case yet | 16:08 |
| cpaelzer | in most cases eventually the NBS has to be removed | 16:08 |
| cpaelzer | to avoid carrying an unmaintained old version along | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | and avoid people still e.g. building against it | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | but as I said many things depend on the case | 16:09 |
| cpaelzer | in general I do not pretend to know *all* things a core-dev does, but "asking when you are not sure" is a wise habit no matter of the approved devloper level | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | there always will be one extra thing you haven't seen/done before | 16:10 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: good enough for me, thanks ;) | 16:10 |
| * sil2100 is in another meeting now so context-switching | 16:10 | |
| cpaelzer | sorry, didn't want to drag this over the allocated time | 16:10 |
| cpaelzer | other questions? | 16:11 |
| cpaelzer | I hope we didn't loose all others due to passing the hour ... oO | 16:12 |
| bdmurray | not from me | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | Ok, any other questions? Or should we move to voting? | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | I guess not! | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | Let's vote | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | #vote Grant cpaelzer core-dev | 16:15 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Grant cpaelzer core-dev | 16:15 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | +1 | 16:15 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdmurray | 16:15 |
| micahg | +1 | 16:16 |
| meetingology | +1 received from micahg | 16:16 |
| rbasak | BenC: ? | 16:19 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: did you want to vote? | 16:19 |
| sil2100 | +1 (I'm a bit worried about the not much all-around-Ubuntu work, but his experience and work so far is sufficient for core-dev rights anyway) | 16:20 |
| meetingology | +1 (I'm a bit worried about the not much all-around-Ubuntu work, but his experience and work so far is sufficient for core-dev rights anyway) received from sil2100 | 16:20 |
| * micahg just wanted to add a reminder to use -v when uploading merges to get the full changelog diff | 16:20 | |
| sil2100 | (sorry, hard being at two meetings at once) | 16:20 |
| cpaelzer | micahg: fair, that was a "personal lessons" learned on double uploads to SRUs about 2 months ago | 16:21 |
| cpaelzer | in general on any fault - no one is perfect let me know and I'll adapt as good as possible | 16:22 |
| * rbasak files bug 1713530 | 16:23 | |
| ubottu | bug 1713530 in usd-importer ""git ubuntu build" doesn't use -v for merges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713530 | 16:23 |
| cpaelzer | micahg: I think I see your point on merges in that regard - to list the Debian-changes in between - is that correct? | 16:23 |
| micahg | cpaelzer: yep | 16:23 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: you are good I can close my current window reporting just that :-) | 16:24 |
| rbasak | :-) | 16:24 |
| rbasak | IMHO the fact that uploaders have to remember all these arbitrary rules is a problem :) | 16:24 |
| cpaelzer | I add an example to the bugs that matches the case micahg mentioned | 16:25 |
| rbasak | Our git workflow "knows" what's going on so should be able to do it automatically now I think. | 16:25 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: true, again, documentation :P | 16:25 |
| micahg | yeah, it would be nice if the tools did it | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | documention is what is ignored or forgottern | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | tools win clearly | 16:25 |
| nacc | cpaelzer: rbasak: thank you | 16:25 |
| rbasak | BenC: vote? | 16:25 |
| micahg | well, I'm in favor of the people knowing and the tools doing, it's good to know what's going on behind the scenes, at least what's directly related to what one is doing | 16:26 |
| micahg | otherwise, one can't know if the tool is doing the right thing :) | 16:27 |
| rbasak | In general I agree. In this case, it's an implementation detail though. I don't know exactly how Launchpad or britney is implemented either. | 16:27 |
| rbasak | In time, I'd like to see dput replaced with git. Completely. At that point, debian/changelog would be moot, and so -v would be also. | 16:28 |
| rbasak | Until then, I agree that uploaders need to know these things. But I'm not proud of that fact :-/ | 16:28 |
| cpaelzer | I hope we didn't loose BenC :-/ | 16:29 |
| rbasak | I said I'd vote to achieve quorum if needed. | 16:29 |
| rbasak | If we assume that quorum is still four (I'm not sure it is but that's another discussion), and we appear to have lost BenC, then I can vote to settle this. | 16:29 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: please do | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | I guess he's out ;) | 16:31 |
| rbasak | +1 | 16:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from rbasak | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | (I'd assume so since 30 minutes over the meeting time might mean that) | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | #endvote | 16:32 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Grant cpaelzer core-dev | 16:32 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 16:32 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 16:32 |
| sil2100 | cpaelzer: congratulations! (took longer than we expected ;p) | 16:33 |
| cpaelzer | Thank you! | 16:33 |
| sil2100 | Since I'm handling tsimonq2, I'll pick up this cpaelzer as well as it's a quick thing to do | 16:33 |
| sil2100 | #action sil2100 to add cpaelzer to core-dev and send announcements | 16:33 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 to add cpaelzer to core-dev and send announcements | 16:33 |
| sil2100 | #topic AOB | 16:33 |
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| tsimonq2 | Thanks again :D | 16:33 |
| sil2100 | So I guess let's just quickly touch base on our DMB expired members | 16:33 |
| sil2100 | We have 2 seats free and 3 candidates, we need to set up the vote mechanism | 16:34 |
| sil2100 | Could someone take care of that | 16:34 |
| sil2100 | ? | 16:34 |
| sil2100 | rbasak, bdmurray, micahg: ^ ? | 16:35 |
| sil2100 | I originally wanted to volunteer, but I see now that I have a bit much for this week, would be worried that it'd get delayed because of that | 16:36 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: I can fit it in | 16:37 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: that would be excellent, thanks! | 16:37 |
| sil2100 | From other things: please take a look at Balint's e-mail application | 16:38 |
| sil2100 | (hasting here since we're past our meeting time) | 16:38 |
| sil2100 | Ok, anything else or can we wrap? | 16:39 |
| sil2100 | WRAP! BLAM | 16:39 |
| sil2100 | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Aug 28 16:39:51 2017 UTC. | 16:39 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-08-28-15.05.moin.txt | 16:39 |
| sil2100 | Thanks everyone! | 16:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Congrats cpaelzer :) | 16:40 |
| tsimonq2 | Thanks! | 16:40 |
| sil2100 | It's so nice having such lively meetings | 16:40 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 16:40 |
| sil2100 | tsimonq2, cpaelzer: I'll try to handle your permission-addition today still, but in case I get context switched this might slide till tomorrow | 16:40 |
| sil2100 | Hope that's ok | 16:41 |
| tsimonq2 | sil2100: Ok, thanks! | 16:41 |
| micahg | thanks sil2100 for running that marathon meeting | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | fyi, the security team meeting was moved to #ubuntu-meeting-2 if anyone is here for that | 16:45 |
| rbasak | tyhicks: thank you for sorting that out | 16:49 |
| tyhicks | no problem | 16:49 |
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