[07:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:17] <popey> morning all
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> :-) https://i.imgur.com/iph0NkH.jpg
[09:56] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: nice
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[12:18] <diddledan> I question unicode, too :-p
[12:19] <diddledan> how do right-to-left languages affect source code?
[12:19] <diddledan> e.g. I've got a query where someone tried customising something I wrote by replacing some text with right-to-left text but the sourcecode looks all mangled
[12:21] <penguin42> is that the editor you're using?  I think r2l have a unicode character that switches the direction
[12:22] <diddledan> I'm not using an editor, I'm viewing their support request on the web (WordPress.org) and the quotes around their translation appear to both be at the start of the string when viewing the source of the page, but the display shows correctly
[12:23] <penguin42> ؜hello‏
[12:23] <penguin42> (that was inserting a r-2-l mark)
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> just code makes you yoda, no?
[12:24] <diddledan> this post the comment by "mahdiar" near the bottom: https://wordpress.org/support/topic/filter-posts-via-category-using-shortcode/
[12:25] <diddledan> see that the quotes surround the translated text, but view-source: shows both quotes at the beginning of the text and not surrounding it. I'm assuming the user screwed up when writing their PHP
[12:27] <penguin42> view selection-source on that looks the same to me
[12:28] <diddledan> this is what chrome says:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/frXJA9LH/
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> maybe isolate the particular language and find a few wordpress pages in that language?
[12:29] <diddledan> copying the text and pasting it in here: (an electron app): return &#039;اآ,ب,پ,ت,ث,ج,چ,ح,خ,د,ذ,ر,ز,ژ,س,ش,ص,ض,ط,ظ,ع,غ,ف,ق,ک,گ,ل,م,ن,و,ه,ی ي&#039;;
[12:30] <penguin42> diddledan: ff http://i.imgur.com/G8n2Qvj.png
[12:31] <diddledan> yeah, you've hacked the code into your own view-source which isn't the source on the actual page
[12:32] <penguin42> diddledan: That was just highlighting the area and right click view-selection
[12:32] <diddledan> this is what firefox shows here:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Q7dDISXG/
[12:34] <diddledan> as I said, the source is screwed
[12:35] <diddledan> if two browsers can't agree on the order of text than how is PHP supposed to execute it as code?
[12:35]  * penguin42 is assuming it's the way the browsers are rendering it rather than the way it's stored in the file
=== alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g
[13:06] <diddledan> boy is it hot today
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> you need *dun* *dun* *dun* japanese non melting ice cream...
[13:07] <diddledan> wait, is that a real thing?
[13:08] <zmoylan-pi> science gone mad i tells you... https://www.cnet.com/news/we-try-out-japans-non-melting-ice-cream-to-see-if-its-for-real/
[13:08] <penguin42> a lot of icecream has so much gum in that it only vaguely melts
[13:09] <diddledan> looks somewhat like mousse
[13:18] <penguin42> thought it looked more like a bear
[15:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:38] <Seeker`> o/
[20:27] <zleap> hi
[20:32] <daftykins> lo
[20:39] <zleap> ok server working now :),  mysql/mariadb server also working,  as is a assault cube server
[20:42] <daftykins> \o/ no idea what that last one is, but i bet some cubes are gonna get assaulted
[20:43] <ali1234> i need to get a non-technical windows user to send me the SMART data from their drive. what software should i tell them to download?
[20:45] <daftykins> ali1234: crystaldiskinfo
[21:15] <ali1234> daftykins: is there one that doesnt have anime girls on it?
[21:22] <daftykins> that one doesn't if you get the standard edition o0
[21:22] <ali1234> yeah but the homepage...
[21:22] <daftykins> hmm my adblocker must hide that, how about just linking the file direct...
[21:22] <ali1234> user is going to be like "why did you tell me to go to a porn site"
[21:23] <ali1234> yeah i think that's what i'll do. download the file and rehost it myself
[21:23] <daftykins> oh there's one character in a banner
[21:23] <ali1234> https://crystalmark.info/
[21:24] <daftykins> also to make the values readable in a screenshot you'd need to either edit and zip up, or tell them to do: Function menu -> Advanced Feature -> Raw Values -> 10 [DEC]
[21:24] <ali1234> nah they can just press control-c and then paste it into an email
[21:25] <ali1234> that has all the info needed (i just checked this on an actual windows machine)
[21:25] <daftykins> ok
[21:25] <ali1234> besides, i can read hex :)
[21:25] <ali1234> i just really want to know if reallocated sector count is zero, or not
[21:26] <daftykins> lots more besides that one
[21:26] <ali1234> yeah but all the interesting ones are either zero or the dri ve is broken :)
[21:27] <daftykins> not quite sure how that sentence added much
[21:28] <ali1234> the machine is freezing for extended periods, its not slow at all, and everything stops completely during the freeze
[21:28] <ali1234> so my guess is the ssd is failing and the sata driver is blocking the whole system while it tries to recover
[21:29] <ali1234> possibly because its hanging a page file operation
[21:30] <daftykins> nice theory
[21:31] <ali1234> i dont know what else it could be. its not overheating and there's plenty of free space on the drive
[21:32] <daftykins> often you don't even see a remap on an SSD until a secure erase is performed
[21:32] <ali1234> thats naughty
[21:33] <ali1234> anyway can't hurt to look at the values
[21:33] <daftykins> newp certainly is step #1
[21:40] <ali1234> would be nice if windows had a built in tool for this stuff
[21:40] <ali1234> even if it was just something in powershell
[21:41] <daftykins> for which feature specifically?
[21:41] <ali1234> getting the smart counters
[21:43] <daftykins> sure would be handy
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> could it be some cheap piece of crap plugged into a usb port stalling the system... had that happen on more than one occasion...
[21:57] <ali1234> its' possible. i'm going to visit the user and check for this stuff, but if it needs a new drive then i'd like to get it ordered before i get on a train to the other end of the country
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> and make sure you bring cables as well in case it might be the current cables been dodgy... #beenThereDoneThat
[21:59] <daftykins> it's not a Crucial MX100 under Windows 10 is it?
[21:59] <daftykins> specific as that is ;D
[21:59] <ali1234> i think its a sandisk
[21:59] <daftykins> ah cheapty cheap
[21:59] <daftykins> +e
[21:59] <ali1234> it would have been crucial if i'd picked it
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> do the stalls last the same amount of time or happen at regular intervals?
[22:00] <daftykins> i used to like them but they drop drives rather than fix the buggy firmware now, saw it with the MX100 :(
[22:00] <ali1234> i had a MX100 die and they sent me a MX300
[22:01] <daftykins> yeah, they won't admit the issue with the 100
[22:01] <daftykins> they behave if you can turn hotplug on on the controller port they're in though, but not all systems will have that
[22:01] <daftykins> HIPM/DIPM bug where the drives disappear from Windows
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> now THATS secure :-P
[22:06] <ali1234> hotplug is part of AHCI isn't it?
[22:06] <ali1234> as i understand it, they only disappear when your SATA ports are in legacy mode
[22:07] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: the freezes last approximately 2 minutes. they are not at fixed intervals, but happen every 15 minutes to 4 hours
[22:08] <daftykins> feature of but not mandatory, mmm
[22:08] <ali1234> there's no warning before hand and no visible effects afterwards, it just completely stops and then starts again like nothing happened
[22:08] <daftykins> eventviewer'd have some evidence probably, but yeah don't fancy that challenge via a user
[22:09] <ali1234> yeah
[22:09] <ali1234> also got to take all this with a grain of salt as its just what the user told me
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... the pc not turning on turns out that the pc is missing... fun times...
[22:11] <ali1234> oh yeah and its windows 7
[22:13]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward evil
[22:15] <daftykins> thankfully expunged 7 from my main clients systems now