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tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> 🎢 It's time, time, time again for the UBports Community Update! … You can catch us live this Saturday, September 2, 2017, at 1800UTC. … We're gearing up for a great roundup of news and questions on Saturday, so make sure you're there live! Or, throw your question in here for more assurance that you'll get it answered: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/516/september-2-2017-ubports-community-update02:27
tgBot<thepeter> @UniversalSuperBox, πŸ‘05:40
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AndreasLahttp://www.free21.org/deutschlands-schattenregierung-oder-wie-die-atlantik-bruecke-die-brd-lenkt/05:58
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tgBot<elchicodelascirugias> @AresMinos, Haha the times i used to make mockups06:09
tgBot<elchicodelascirugias> Actually i made some more later, with convergence between desktop and phone, but never published them in behance because they announced they left the project just around those days06:11
tgBot<elchicodelascirugias> (Photo, 1169x1164) https://irc.ubports.com/RX0zbPQB/file_314.jpg06:14
tgBot<elchicodelascirugias> (Photo, 1169x1165) https://irc.ubports.com/8nPekAWy/file_316.jpg06:14
tgBot<elchicodelascirugias> (Photo, 1280x724) https://irc.ubports.com/P9898DcF/file_318.jpg06:15
tgBot<gurucubano> Good Morning!06:26
tgBot<Ben> @elchicodelascirugias, That looks nice ;)06:36
tgBot<DanChapman> Sam Hewitt has been working on an updated set of suru icons. https://www.patreon.com/posts/suru-icon-14113581  β€¦ Might be worth talking to him about using them for Ubports once more complete, as the current ones especially file and folder icons are a bit dated.07:33
tgBot<mymike00> @Lorxu, now it's ok, no more locked. thanks07:38
tgBot<mymike00> @DanChapman, wow great❕07:38
tgBot<elchicodelascirugias> @DanChapman, Those look great 😎07:48
tgBot<mymike00> @DanChapman, after they are finished we should definitely add them to file manager as is doens't use suru icons yet07:53
tgBotartur_scholz was added by: artur_scholz08:11
tgBot<mymike00> @artur_scholz, welcome @artur_scholz08:12
tgBot<artur_scholz> Hi. I have a a bg Aquaris E5 phone with ubuntu touch. (Plus I am the only person I know who has an ubuntu phone). There are a number of bugs/problems that make it not very usable (e.g. music player crashes often). Yet, I like to go this road, to get away from google. Just found out about ubports. My immediate question: why in your supported core devices the bq Aquaris is not included?08:16
tgBot<rogieroudshoorn> it is, just as a legacy device08:17
tgBot<rogieroudshoorn> there's not enough sources for them and we don't have enough device coders to run them as a main device08:18
tgBot<Sconio> hi08:18
tgBot<Sconio> I would like to see the license "NetworkManager" on the nexus 5, how is it that I can not see it?08:18
tgBot<artur_scholz> @rogieroudshoorn got it, thanks08:21
tgBot<rogieroudshoorn> np ;)08:22
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tgBot<Sconio> https://youtu.be/Ag1AKIl_2GM08:35
tgBot<Sconio> ubports its open source or free ?08:35
tgBot<Sconio> or 208:37
tgBot<Sconio> aaaaaalllllllllllooooo08:41
tgBot<Sconio> https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/08:46
tgBot<Sconio> Project fully respect the privacy of users, free and open source hardware and software 100%08:48
tgBot<DanChapman> @Sconio, Scroll down the license list to `network-manager` having NetworkManager also there looks like a bug08:48
tgBot<DanChapman> @Sconio, both08:49
tgBot<Sconio> ok08:50
tgBot<Sconio> reprt bug License is not visible08:51
tgBot<Sconio> We do not know if it is free and open source08:51
tgBot<DanChapman> No the license is visible. There shouldn't be an entry for "NetworkManager" as that's not even the name of the package. network-manager is the correct one which is further down the list08:52
AndreasLa@Sconio: see please https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch  (".. picked up by the Ubports.."08:53
AndreasLa..." Mainly the GPL and various other open source licenses"08:53
tgBot<Sconio> i see08:54
tgBot<Sconio> .08:54
tgBot<Sconio> It reassures me, but I will test Librem 5 to compare08:59
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @artur_scholz, Hi, you can and you should anyway upgrade to UBports to get security updates and bug fixes09:01
tgBot<Sconio> Why ?09:02
tgBot<Sconio> Give us explanation09:03
tgBot<rogieroudshoorn> Canonical isn't updating the phones anymore09:03
tgBot<rogieroudshoorn> ubports is09:03
tgBot<rogieroudshoorn> therefor, if you want updates, ubports is the place ;)09:03
tgBot<DanChapman> @Flohack, morning! did you say moving back to kernel 4.4 fixed your chroots?09:04
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tgBot<Flohack> @DanChapman, well I have 16.04 running and installed the hardware update package which brought 4.10, but then click chroot did not work anymore, and yes so everytime I start my PC I have now to select old 4.4. kernel ^^09:36
tgBot<Flohack> @Sconio, Wait for purism to decide on hardware, and then again see if it is free and open source. Currently there is little chance you get a company to reveal all their secrets09:37
tgBot<Flohack> Its not about software, its about all the nice FPGA hardware that is ncessary to run a phone09:38
tgBot<DanChapman> @Flohack, Cheers. Gives me something to start from 😊09:38
tgBot<Flohack> ^^09:39
tgBot<wagafo> @Flohack, Strange, I'm using Ubntu 17.10 which has the 4.10 kernel and my click chroots are working. Maybe because I sent them up directly when I already was using that kernel? (I didn't upgrade them from 16.04)10:05
tgBot<Flohack> @wagafo, I set everything up with stock 16.04, but with new kernel it complains about missing a kernel module10:30
tgBot<wagafo> @Flohack, Maybe you could try to set a new chroot just to see if setting them anew fires up the same problem.10:33
tgBot<Flohack> Dont know how this works TBH πŸ˜†10:33
tgBot<Flohack> I am happy that the one created by the SDK works for my Telegram compile10:33
tgBot<wagafo> @Flohack, Have you tried setting one with clickable? I may try and see if I can build your telegram app with that.10:34
tgBots33soon was added by: s33soon10:34
tgBot<DanChapman> @wagafo, Doesn't work with kernel 4.10 because of overlayfs issues. Maybe misconfiguration or it isn't enabled in the kernel10:35
tgBot<Flohack> exactly that10:37
tgBot<wagafo> @DanChapman, Are my clickable chroots different? They are working for me with 4.10.10:39
tgBot<delijati> is use the same approach as clickable lxc ... but more hand made ;) https://github.com/delijati/uMatriks#build-for-arm10:40
tgBot<DanChapman> @wagafo, I presume your using lxc containers and not chroots?? how did you create them?10:41
tgBot<wagafo> @DanChapman, Yes, that my be it!10:41
tgBot<wagafo> Sorry for the confusion!10:42
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AndreasLadie liegt schon zusammen mit dem Hering auf Deinem Schreibtisch :-)13:10
AndreasLasorry false Thread..13:11
bshah:)13:11
tgBot<DanChapman> πŸ˜†13:11
AndreasLaalways problems withn Pidgin..13:11
tgBot<vanyasem> What does /ping do?13:13
tgBot<vanyasem> @Gartral, That doesn't make any sense 😜13:15
tgBot<Gartral> It got your attention, didn't it?13:15
tgBot<vanyasem> Sure, because I just explicitly asked for details on it13:16
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> BLUE TEXT … MUST CLICK … I AM A STUPID ANIMAL THAT IS ATTRACTED TO COLORS13:17
tgBot<vanyasem> even my ex-girlfriend was less complicated than the entire ping thing13:21
tgBot<vanyasem> If we're being serious here I know a nice free uptime monitor service that pings servers once in 5 minutes13:31
tgBot<vanyasem> Helps me a lot when my dog accidentally crashes my home server13:31
tgBot<Vijay Kumar> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QR0pzduB/file_320.jpg13:47
tgBot<Vijay Kumar> 10% discount on op5 for students13:48
tgBot<Gartral> @vanyasem, Ok, I'm sorry, why is your server set up so your dog has access to cables to crash it?13:52
tgBot<vanyasem> It's just a 8 years old PC laying around13:53
tgBot<vanyasem> I host my websites in Germany on a VPS13:53
tgBot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, With nextcloud on it, so it's for personal use only13:53
tgBot<vanyasem> Me and my father13:53
tgBot<Gartral> Hey, I'm not judging, my VPN is hosted by a pcduino13:55
tgBot<Gartral> I'm almost 100% positive my hue light bulb has more processing power13:56
tgBot<vanyasem> I want a buy a server rack but I just don't have enough time as of rn13:56
tgBot<vanyasem> My jeans are torn and I can't buy new ones in a week already13:57
tgBot<vanyasem> I'm not lazy you gotta believe me13:57
tgBot<Gartral> Suuuuure13:58
tgBot<Gartral> :)13:58
tgBot<Gartral> *steals Ivan's cat ears*14:00
tgBot<Sconio> The device for convergence will be available when?15:13
tgBot<Sconio> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/station-dock-ubuntu-phone-ubports15:14
tgBot<Flohack> @Sconio, No ETA15:24
tgBot<Flohack> We are not enough ppl to drive all things at the same time15:24
tgBot<Flohack> Again I remind you, we shrunk from 100 Canonical developers to 10 ppl roughly15:24
tgBot<Sconio> ok15:25
tgBot<Flohack> But if you like you can pick it up ^^15:25
tgBot<Sconio> ^^ i find ....15:25
tgBot<Sconio> link ?15:25
tgBot<Gartral> That looks awesome, and the write-up basically tells you how to get a raspi working to do the same thing... Though I don't know why you'd use a raspi for that instead just using the raspi15:28
tgBot<Sconio> I know already, but I just want to contribute to this product by buying it15:31
tgBot<Sconio> All free is good but for those who work on projects this is rewarding, you do not find it?15:32
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tgBot<mariogrip> I fixed browser not starting in convergence mode \/ now it works15:55
tgBot<mariogrip> (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/jhJVXzTL/file_322.jpg15:55
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Yay! Does this also effect some other previously non starting apps (e.g. using webapp-container)?15:56
tgBot<bastos777> @mariogrip, WOW. Than only one enhancement away from OTA2?15:56
tgBot<mariogrip> @nfsprodriver, Jep, all web apps starts now. All apps starts now afik15:56
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Fabulous! Slimport, ahoi!15:57
tgBot<kristijantkalec> @mariogrip, Bravo πŸ‘15:57
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Is it already in the image or is there an update outstanding?15:59
tgBot<Sconio> marius15:59
tgBot<mariogrip> Also planning to update from chromium 55 to 58, that seems to improve the speed + adding new chromium bug fixes and features to it16:01
tgBot<Sconio> Or I find the dock station16:01
tgBot<mymike00> @mariogrip, wow16:01
tgBot<kristijantkalec> will it arrive in OTA2?16:01
tgBot<mariogrip> @nfsprodriver, not yet, will land the changes pretty today16:01
tgBot<mariogrip> @kristijantkalec, yes16:01
tgBot<nfsprodriver> πŸ‘^100016:02
tgBot<kristijantkalec> great :)16:02
tgBot<kristijantkalec> thanks :D16:02
tgBot<mariogrip> :)16:02
tgBot<mariogrip> @Sconio, Hi :)16:02
tgBot<Sconio> ^^16:02
tgBot<Sconio> not https://www.kickstarter.com/16:02
tgBot<Sconio> i find the ock station16:02
tgBot<Sconio> "Son dock sera lancΓ© sur Kickstarter dans les prochaines semaines. The goal is $200,000 (kr4,000,000) and it has a tentative β€” some might say ambitious β€” ship date of February, 2017."16:03
tgBot<Sconio> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/station-dock-ubuntu-phone-ubports16:03
tgBot<mariogrip> Yes the goal was to release the Kickstarter back then, but a lot of things have been standing in the way of that, we are hoping to release the Kickstarter as fast as we can. But no eta yet. I really hope it will be soon16:05
tgBot<Sconio> :/16:06
tgBot<Sconio> ok16:07
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, lots of issues plaguing that piece of hardware.16:07
tgBot<Sconio> why16:08
tgBot<mymike00> @mariogrip, what does eta means?16:08
tgBot<mariogrip> @mymike00, Estimated Time of Arrival"16:09
tgBot<mymike00> πŸ‘πŸ»16:09
tgBot<Sconio> np16:10
tgBot<Sconio> if you can provide, then e command.16:11
tgBot<JavierPuche> Hi all, I am new here. Newbie question: if I upgrade my Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch to UB Ports with magic-device-tools, do I loose installed applications and data?  It is not a problem but just to know before I do it to calculate time to have muy daily phone ready again πŸ˜„  Thanks in advance.16:18
tgBot<mariogrip> @JavierPuche, @Flohack ^16:21
tgBot<wagafo> @JavierPuche, Yes, but you can backup some data and restore it in the upgraded device, like contacts, app configurations and such. But you have to reinstall apps and wifi passwords and other configurations (scopes, launcher conf, and so on) are lost. There is a backup option in magic-device-tool.16:23
tgBot<JavierPuche> Great, thanks a lot, I guess I will still have access to the Ubuntu store for those apps not already in Open Store like Dekko and others, right?16:24
tgBot<mariogrip> @JavierPuche, Yes, Ubuntu store is still available16:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, Jes*16:30
tgBot<JavierPuche> πŸ‘16:30
tgBot<wagafo> @JavierPuche, And also some scopes if you want them are only in the Canonical store for the time being.16:37
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @elchicodelascirugias, so... have we broken out everyone in this group into their skillsets?  Pablo here seems GUI/visual/skilled... and there are others around here as well.. Me?  I'm just a loud mouth but I'm loud for the cause...16:39
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @artur_scholz, the biggest bug here is this one: … (Plus I am the only person I know who has an ubuntu phone)16:39
tgBot<Stereofont> Google-funded thinktank fired scholar over criticism of tech firm … https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/30/new-america-foundation-google-funding-firings?17:42
tgBot<Stereofont> Naturally, the EU should spend the €2.4bn investing in a privacy phone17:50
tgBot<bastos777> would be great, but nobody currently is aware of the importtance of having an open, free and privacy concerning phone...17:56
tgBot<bastos777> I think this will change in near future, therefore I think we as we are used to develop, use and configure free and open software will be the high demanded experts in near future πŸš€17:57
tgBot<Stereofont> There are social funders and governmental groups who have funds. With money comes strings but being 'pure' is not always good strategy17:59
tgBot<Stereofont> Coops. Triodos Bank. Trade unions etc18:00
tgBot<bastos777> @Stereofont, We can go for impact investment, yes.18:14
tgBot<bastos777> once the UBport foundation is established, WW could try to file something.18:15
tgBot<bastos777> so we have ti make clear what our deliverable will be.18:16
tgBot<bastos777> and our road map to reach it.18:17
tgBot<Stereofont> Halium seems to me a kind of 'universal mount'. Necessary but in a sense neutral. Probably the least controversial for nervous institutions18:17
tgBot<Stereofont> Equipment for community radio is 'neutral'. Licence for a community station = (maybe) difficult18:20
tgBot<bastos777> let us start with developing the deliverable. What will be the added value for the society and the investor. Once we are clear with our vision, We can define the road map and the needed ressources to deliver and to sustain the delivered.18:20
tgBot<Stereofont> 1. Enabling access. 2. Securing compliance with data protection laws18:23
tgBot<Stereofont> Unfortunate that *Helium* Project is a games platform. Spellchecker and sponsors would back away fast πŸ™„18:29
tgBot<Andre BΓΌsgen> Probably stupid question: will convergence work on all supported devices or just on a few?18:42
tgBot<Mattias> I am considering to buy a tablet. What would be a good choice if i eventually (later this year) want to put ubuntu touch on it?18:57
tgBot<Stereofont> BQ has UT FHD in clearance section18:58
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @bastos777, agree.  the 'canonical/ubuntu' relationship seems best.  you could take a 'flavour' of UBports and have it heavily funded by some corporation... but then the code base remains 100% free.  The only way this particular project will have any success, in my opinion, is by having it 'as free as possible'.  That's the attraction.  Otherwise, I can turn my brain off and go get myself googled or appled.  So, the corporation who funds (or19:02
tgBotcorporations  plural) would have an aligned interest in seeing the project succeed on its own.  The most obvious partner would be the Fair Phone 2 kind of company.  They want to sell hardware that's safe but they need an OS that's safe to go with it.  It's very hard to find the money to do all of that.  So, it makes business sense to put some money into keeping the free project rolling.. etc, etc etc19:02
tgBot<Stereofont> Check out phonecoop.coop19:03
tgBot<Sconio> link document official ?19:03
tgBot<Stereofont> Promotes Fairphone19:04
tgBot<Stereofont> https://www.thephone.coop/personal/fairphone/19:06
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @wayneoutthere, A lot of projects/businesses, including Canonical, have CLA's for this reason. So they can re-license their code under something non-Free for their customers.19:12
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> What they release is Free, what some customers get isn't. But you'd never know because you'll never see it. … A lot of people don't like CLA's. I'm not going to give an opinion.19:12
tgBot<vanyasem> (Sticker, 512x489) https://irc.ubports.com/sGpZ39nL/file_323.webp19:18
tgBot<Lorxu> (Sticker, 512x481) https://irc.ubports.com/gzGeXPMT/file_325.webp19:26
tgBot<Lorxu> I am queen of accidentally sending stickers when looking through a pack19:27
tgBot<Lorxu> On the note of ETAs, I find it funny the Fedora project still gives them19:30
tgBot<Lorxu> Because I don't think they manage to release at the ETA even 5% of the time19:31
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @vanyasem, Well, especially with hardware. Especially for a project that has no experience shipping hardware.19:33
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Shipping hardware just takes a lot of time and energy that we'd rather spend on software. ;)19:33
tgBot<Lorxu> Just use "soon"19:33
tgBot<Lorxu> Every programmer knows "soon" comes with a margin between 0 and never19:34
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> soonβ„’19:35
tgBot<Lorxu> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DyB6gN5i/file_326.webp19:37
tgBot<h4888> soon or "now now"20:14
tgBot<bastos777> @Stereofont, I would pledge for a more broader and more beautiful vision. We all have those in your hearts. We now have to articulate it.20:42
tgBot<bastos777> The reason why you are working on halium is not halium but the idea of supporting more phones20:42
tgBot<bastos777> The reason why you want to support more phones is not support more phones but giving more people access to ... What? This leads us to the right strong and sexy reason.20:44
tgBot<bastos777> When we agrees on this -maybe only one word, sentence paragraph - we have people like @wayneoutthere who are good with words who will be able to write the broad deliverable20:47
tgBot<bastos777> And than we can define the roadmap. There are several experienced devs here, so this will be professional.20:48
tgBot<bastos777> And after that we will find people who can calculate robust resources needs. I have done several times, so I will be able to deliver a robust resources plan.20:50
tgBot<bastos777> This will be the basis for pitching at least at impact investors with inherent precondition that this have to be FOSS to sustain the investment.20:52
tgBot<bastos777> Pub. Sorry for the monologue. But I have to close this thought...20:54
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tgBot<mariogrip> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/arD4G2mB/file_328.jpg21:06
tgBot<mariogrip> I'm running Chromium 58 now :)21:07
tgBot<mariogrip> It feels like it's faster21:08
tgBot<kristijantkalec> I would love a bit faster browser πŸ˜€21:13
tgBot<kristijantkalec> Can hardly wait for the next upgrade...21:13
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @bastos777, i'm with you21:13
tgBotM was added by: M21:14
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, Firefox 55 is where it's at21:17
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @UniversalSuperBox, This21:17
tgBot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, I was taking about the ubuntu browser, and no firefox does not beat the raw arm speed of chromium21:18
tgBot<JBBgameich> Although I would be interested how Gecko Nightly (57) with quantum CSS compares. On the desktop, it feels faster than Chromium, but that may be mostly Chromiums GUI21:24
tgBot<mariogrip> @JBBgameich, on desktop it might be true, but google has done alot of arm optimization for android21:25
tgBot<JBBgameich> I couldn't yet test Firefox nightly on any ARM platform, so I can't say anything about that (yet). Chromium is a good choice in any case, and I don't think UBports could change the engine easily anyway21:26
tgBot<mariogrip> @JBBgameich, chaning would require alot of work so21:27
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tgBot<Jakob> Welcome Ruben!22:07
tgBot<Ruben> hi, thnx!22:08

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