[00:25] Project daily-hammerhead build #305: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/305/ [00:27] Project ota-push build #931: SUCCESS in 1 min 46 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/931/ === JanC is now known as Guest61806 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [02:27] 🎶 It's time, time, time again for the UBports Community Update! … You can catch us live this Saturday, September 2, 2017, at 1800UTC. … We're gearing up for a great roundup of news and questions on Saturday, so make sure you're there live! Or, throw your question in here for more assurance that you'll get it answered: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/516/september-2-2017-ubports-community-update [05:40] @UniversalSuperBox, 👍 [05:57] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #110: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/110/ [05:58] http://www.free21.org/deutschlands-schattenregierung-oder-wie-die-atlantik-bruecke-die-brd-lenkt/ [06:05] Project ota-push build #932: SUCCESS in 7 min 30 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/932/ [06:09] @AresMinos, Haha the times i used to make mockups [06:11] Actually i made some more later, with convergence between desktop and phone, but never published them in behance because they announced they left the project just around those days [06:14] (Photo, 1169x1164) https://irc.ubports.com/RX0zbPQB/file_314.jpg [06:14] (Photo, 1169x1165) https://irc.ubports.com/8nPekAWy/file_316.jpg [06:15] (Photo, 1280x724) https://irc.ubports.com/P9898DcF/file_318.jpg [06:26] Good Morning! [06:36] @elchicodelascirugias, That looks nice ;) [07:33] Sam Hewitt has been working on an updated set of suru icons. https://www.patreon.com/posts/suru-icon-14113581 … Might be worth talking to him about using them for Ubports once more complete, as the current ones especially file and folder icons are a bit dated. [07:38] @Lorxu, now it's ok, no more locked. thanks [07:38] @DanChapman, wow great❕ [07:48] @DanChapman, Those look great 😎 [07:53] @DanChapman, after they are finished we should definitely add them to file manager as is doens't use suru icons yet [08:11] artur_scholz was added by: artur_scholz [08:12] @artur_scholz, welcome @artur_scholz [08:16] Hi. I have a a bg Aquaris E5 phone with ubuntu touch. (Plus I am the only person I know who has an ubuntu phone). There are a number of bugs/problems that make it not very usable (e.g. music player crashes often). Yet, I like to go this road, to get away from google. Just found out about ubports. My immediate question: why in your supported core devices the bq Aquaris is not included? [08:17] it is, just as a legacy device [08:18] there's not enough sources for them and we don't have enough device coders to run them as a main device [08:18] hi [08:18] I would like to see the license "NetworkManager" on the nexus 5, how is it that I can not see it? [08:21] @rogieroudshoorn got it, thanks [08:22] np ;) [08:23] Project daily-fp2 build #323: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/323/ [08:24] Project ota-push build #933: SUCCESS in 1 min 5 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/933/ [08:35] https://youtu.be/Ag1AKIl_2GM [08:35] ubports its open source or free ? [08:37] or 2 [08:41] aaaaaalllllllllllooooo [08:46] https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ [08:48] Project fully respect the privacy of users, free and open source hardware and software 100% [08:48] @Sconio, Scroll down the license list to `network-manager` having NetworkManager also there looks like a bug [08:49] @Sconio, both [08:50] ok [08:51] reprt bug License is not visible [08:51] We do not know if it is free and open source [08:52] No the license is visible. There shouldn't be an entry for "NetworkManager" as that's not even the name of the package. network-manager is the correct one which is further down the list [08:53] @Sconio: see please https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch (".. picked up by the Ubports.." [08:53] ..." Mainly the GPL and various other open source licenses" [08:54] i see [08:54] . [08:59] It reassures me, but I will test Librem 5 to compare [09:01] @artur_scholz, Hi, you can and you should anyway upgrade to UBports to get security updates and bug fixes [09:02] Why ? [09:03] Give us explanation [09:03] Canonical isn't updating the phones anymore [09:03] ubports is [09:03] therefor, if you want updates, ubports is the place ;) [09:04] @Flohack, morning! did you say moving back to kernel 4.4 fixed your chroots? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:36] @DanChapman, well I have 16.04 running and installed the hardware update package which brought 4.10, but then click chroot did not work anymore, and yes so everytime I start my PC I have now to select old 4.4. kernel ^^ [09:37] @Sconio, Wait for purism to decide on hardware, and then again see if it is free and open source. Currently there is little chance you get a company to reveal all their secrets [09:38] Its not about software, its about all the nice FPGA hardware that is ncessary to run a phone [09:38] @Flohack, Cheers. Gives me something to start from 😊 [09:39] ^^ [10:05] @Flohack, Strange, I'm using Ubntu 17.10 which has the 4.10 kernel and my click chroots are working. Maybe because I sent them up directly when I already was using that kernel? (I didn't upgrade them from 16.04) [10:30] @wagafo, I set everything up with stock 16.04, but with new kernel it complains about missing a kernel module [10:33] @Flohack, Maybe you could try to set a new chroot just to see if setting them anew fires up the same problem. [10:33] Dont know how this works TBH 😆 [10:33] I am happy that the one created by the SDK works for my Telegram compile [10:34] @Flohack, Have you tried setting one with clickable? I may try and see if I can build your telegram app with that. [10:34] s33soon was added by: s33soon [10:35] @wagafo, Doesn't work with kernel 4.10 because of overlayfs issues. Maybe misconfiguration or it isn't enabled in the kernel [10:37] exactly that [10:39] @DanChapman, Are my clickable chroots different? They are working for me with 4.10. [10:40] is use the same approach as clickable lxc ... but more hand made ;) https://github.com/delijati/uMatriks#build-for-arm [10:41] @wagafo, I presume your using lxc containers and not chroots?? how did you create them? [10:41] @DanChapman, Yes, that my be it! [10:42] Sorry for the confusion! === petevg_ is now known as petevg [12:55] Project daily-mako build #98: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/98/ [12:56] Project ota-push build #934: SUCCESS in 48 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/934/ [13:10] die liegt schon zusammen mit dem Hering auf Deinem Schreibtisch :-) [13:11] sorry false Thread.. [13:11] :) [13:11] 😆 [13:11] always problems withn Pidgin.. [13:13] What does /ping do? [13:15] @Gartral, That doesn't make any sense 😜 [13:15] It got your attention, didn't it? [13:16] Sure, because I just explicitly asked for details on it [13:17] BLUE TEXT … MUST CLICK … I AM A STUPID ANIMAL THAT IS ATTRACTED TO COLORS [13:21] even my ex-girlfriend was less complicated than the entire ping thing [13:31] If we're being serious here I know a nice free uptime monitor service that pings servers once in 5 minutes [13:31] Helps me a lot when my dog accidentally crashes my home server [13:47] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QR0pzduB/file_320.jpg [13:48] 10% discount on op5 for students [13:52] @vanyasem, Ok, I'm sorry, why is your server set up so your dog has access to cables to crash it? [13:53] It's just a 8 years old PC laying around [13:53] I host my websites in Germany on a VPS [13:53] @vanyasem, With nextcloud on it, so it's for personal use only [13:53] Me and my father [13:55] Hey, I'm not judging, my VPN is hosted by a pcduino [13:56] I'm almost 100% positive my hue light bulb has more processing power [13:56] I want a buy a server rack but I just don't have enough time as of rn [13:57] My jeans are torn and I can't buy new ones in a week already [13:57] I'm not lazy you gotta believe me [13:58] Suuuuure [13:58] :) [14:00] *steals Ivan's cat ears* [15:13] The device for convergence will be available when? [15:14] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/station-dock-ubuntu-phone-ubports [15:24] @Sconio, No ETA [15:24] We are not enough ppl to drive all things at the same time [15:24] Again I remind you, we shrunk from 100 Canonical developers to 10 ppl roughly [15:25] ok [15:25] But if you like you can pick it up ^^ [15:25] ^^ i find .... [15:25] link ? [15:28] That looks awesome, and the write-up basically tells you how to get a raspi working to do the same thing... Though I don't know why you'd use a raspi for that instead just using the raspi [15:31] I know already, but I just want to contribute to this product by buying it [15:32] All free is good but for those who work on projects this is rewarding, you do not find it? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:55] I fixed browser not starting in convergence mode \/ now it works [15:55] (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/jhJVXzTL/file_322.jpg [15:56] Yay! Does this also effect some other previously non starting apps (e.g. using webapp-container)? [15:56] @mariogrip, WOW. Than only one enhancement away from OTA2? [15:56] @nfsprodriver, Jep, all web apps starts now. All apps starts now afik [15:57] Fabulous! Slimport, ahoi! [15:57] @mariogrip, Bravo 👏 [15:59] Is it already in the image or is there an update outstanding? [15:59] marius [16:01] Also planning to update from chromium 55 to 58, that seems to improve the speed + adding new chromium bug fixes and features to it [16:01] Or I find the dock station [16:01] @mariogrip, wow [16:01] will it arrive in OTA2? [16:01] @nfsprodriver, not yet, will land the changes pretty today [16:01] @kristijantkalec, yes [16:02] 👍^1000 [16:02] great :) [16:02] thanks :D [16:02] :) [16:02] @Sconio, Hi :) [16:02] ^^ [16:02] not https://www.kickstarter.com/ [16:02] i find the ock station [16:03] "Son dock sera lancé sur Kickstarter dans les prochaines semaines. The goal is $200,000 (kr4,000,000) and it has a tentative — some might say ambitious — ship date of February, 2017." [16:03] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/station-dock-ubuntu-phone-ubports [16:05] Yes the goal was to release the Kickstarter back then, but a lot of things have been standing in the way of that, we are hoping to release the Kickstarter as fast as we can. But no eta yet. I really hope it will be soon [16:06] :/ [16:07] ok [16:07] Yeah, lots of issues plaguing that piece of hardware. [16:08] why [16:08] @mariogrip, what does eta means? [16:09] @mymike00, Estimated Time of Arrival" [16:09] 👍🏻 [16:10] np [16:11] if you can provide, then e command. [16:18] Hi all, I am new here. Newbie question: if I upgrade my Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch to UB Ports with magic-device-tools, do I loose installed applications and data? It is not a problem but just to know before I do it to calculate time to have muy daily phone ready again 😄 Thanks in advance. [16:21] @JavierPuche, @Flohack ^ [16:23] @JavierPuche, Yes, but you can backup some data and restore it in the upgraded device, like contacts, app configurations and such. But you have to reinstall apps and wifi passwords and other configurations (scopes, launcher conf, and so on) are lost. There is a backup option in magic-device-tool. [16:24] Great, thanks a lot, I guess I will still have access to the Ubuntu store for those apps not already in Open Store like Dekko and others, right? [16:27] @JavierPuche, Yes, Ubuntu store is still available [16:30] @mariogrip, Jes* [16:30] 👍 [16:37] @JavierPuche, And also some scopes if you want them are only in the Canonical store for the time being. [16:39] @elchicodelascirugias, so... have we broken out everyone in this group into their skillsets? Pablo here seems GUI/visual/skilled... and there are others around here as well.. Me? I'm just a loud mouth but I'm loud for the cause... [16:39] @artur_scholz, the biggest bug here is this one: … (Plus I am the only person I know who has an ubuntu phone) [17:42] Google-funded thinktank fired scholar over criticism of tech firm … https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/30/new-america-foundation-google-funding-firings? [17:50] Naturally, the EU should spend the €2.4bn investing in a privacy phone [17:56] would be great, but nobody currently is aware of the importtance of having an open, free and privacy concerning phone... [17:57] I think this will change in near future, therefore I think we as we are used to develop, use and configure free and open software will be the high demanded experts in near future 🚀 [17:59] There are social funders and governmental groups who have funds. With money comes strings but being 'pure' is not always good strategy [18:00] Coops. Triodos Bank. Trade unions etc [18:14] @Stereofont, We can go for impact investment, yes. [18:15] once the UBport foundation is established, WW could try to file something. [18:16] so we have ti make clear what our deliverable will be. [18:17] and our road map to reach it. [18:17] Halium seems to me a kind of 'universal mount'. Necessary but in a sense neutral. Probably the least controversial for nervous institutions [18:20] Equipment for community radio is 'neutral'. Licence for a community station = (maybe) difficult [18:20] let us start with developing the deliverable. What will be the added value for the society and the investor. Once we are clear with our vision, We can define the road map and the needed ressources to deliver and to sustain the delivered. [18:23] 1. Enabling access. 2. Securing compliance with data protection laws [18:29] Unfortunate that *Helium* Project is a games platform. Spellchecker and sponsors would back away fast 🙄 [18:42] Probably stupid question: will convergence work on all supported devices or just on a few? [18:57] I am considering to buy a tablet. What would be a good choice if i eventually (later this year) want to put ubuntu touch on it? [18:58] BQ has UT FHD in clearance section [19:02] @bastos777, agree. the 'canonical/ubuntu' relationship seems best. you could take a 'flavour' of UBports and have it heavily funded by some corporation... but then the code base remains 100% free. The only way this particular project will have any success, in my opinion, is by having it 'as free as possible'. That's the attraction. Otherwise, I can turn my brain off and go get myself googled or appled. So, the corporation who funds (or [19:02] corporations plural) would have an aligned interest in seeing the project succeed on its own. The most obvious partner would be the Fair Phone 2 kind of company. They want to sell hardware that's safe but they need an OS that's safe to go with it. It's very hard to find the money to do all of that. So, it makes business sense to put some money into keeping the free project rolling.. etc, etc etc [19:03] Check out phonecoop.coop [19:03] link document official ? [19:04] Promotes Fairphone [19:06] https://www.thephone.coop/personal/fairphone/ [19:12] @wayneoutthere, A lot of projects/businesses, including Canonical, have CLA's for this reason. So they can re-license their code under something non-Free for their customers. [19:12] What they release is Free, what some customers get isn't. But you'd never know because you'll never see it. … A lot of people don't like CLA's. I'm not going to give an opinion. [19:18] (Sticker, 512x489) https://irc.ubports.com/sGpZ39nL/file_323.webp [19:26] (Sticker, 512x481) https://irc.ubports.com/gzGeXPMT/file_325.webp [19:27] I am queen of accidentally sending stickers when looking through a pack [19:30] On the note of ETAs, I find it funny the Fedora project still gives them [19:31] Because I don't think they manage to release at the ETA even 5% of the time [19:33] @vanyasem, Well, especially with hardware. Especially for a project that has no experience shipping hardware. [19:33] Shipping hardware just takes a lot of time and energy that we'd rather spend on software. ;) [19:33] Just use "soon" [19:34] Every programmer knows "soon" comes with a margin between 0 and never [19:35] soon™ [19:37] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DyB6gN5i/file_326.webp [20:14] soon or "now now" [20:42] @Stereofont, I would pledge for a more broader and more beautiful vision. We all have those in your hearts. We now have to articulate it. [20:42] The reason why you are working on halium is not halium but the idea of supporting more phones [20:44] The reason why you want to support more phones is not support more phones but giving more people access to ... What? This leads us to the right strong and sexy reason. [20:47] When we agrees on this -maybe only one word, sentence paragraph - we have people like @wayneoutthere who are good with words who will be able to write the broad deliverable [20:48] And than we can define the roadmap. There are several experienced devs here, so this will be professional. [20:50] And after that we will find people who can calculate robust resources needs. I have done several times, so I will be able to deliver a robust resources plan. [20:52] This will be the basis for pitching at least at impact investors with inherent precondition that this have to be FOSS to sustain the investment. [20:54] Pub. Sorry for the monologue. But I have to close this thought... [21:02] Project daily-bacon build #254: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/254/ [21:03] Project ota-push build #935: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/935/ [21:06] bfeatherstone was added by: bfeatherstone [21:06] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/arD4G2mB/file_328.jpg [21:07]