[06:51] <Squarism> So is wayland the default in 17.10? Unity totally gone?
[06:53] <ducasse> as i told you, yes, it's the default for gnome. unity is still in the repos, but only in maintenance mode afaik.
[06:56] <Squarism> ducasse, and gnome is the default window manager?
[06:56] <Squarism> double default so to speak
[06:56] <Squarism> =D
[06:57] <ducasse> default desktop environment, yes. (a window manager does nothing except manage windows)
[08:39] <Squarism> ducasse, ah thanks. My linux knowledge is not what it should be. I thought Gnome was a window manager only. 
[08:40] <ducasse> Squarism: nope. it uses one, though, as part of the package.
[08:41] <Squarism> Gnome = "Desktop Environment"
[08:41] <Squarism> then?
[08:42] <ducasse> yes. like unity, kde, xfce etc. openbox, for example, is a wm.
[09:00] <Squarism> Ive gotten the impression Wayland is near revolutionary. Am I wrong about that? 
[09:01] <Squarism> Like - everything that feels in-concise/dated about ubuntu desktop will suddenly feel Next Gen/Fresh/State of the art
[09:02] <Squarism> ...when Wayland runs under the hood instead, that is.
[09:03] <ducasse> imo; yes, you're wrong about that. :)
[09:04] <ducasse> but yes, there are positive (and negative) changes
[10:55] <StrangeNoises> ooh, ontopic...Is wayland supposed to work with Nouveau yet? (When I try it, I don't get the session login options for wayland, only xorg)
[10:56] <StrangeNoises> otoh wayland/nouveau seems to work on archlinux ;-)
[10:57] <StrangeNoises> i ask because, particularly in the world of HiDPI, there seems to be fewer problems on my intel/wayland machine than nvidia/xorg machine
[10:57] <ducasse> afaik, it depends on the driver version and wayland version. i might be wrong, though, i avoid nvidia like the plague.
[11:00] <ducasse> (and that other question i originally replied to wasn't really a support question at all, imo, so probably not ontopic ;)
[11:46] <StrangeNoises> grr. everything seems to say wayland works on nouveau. nothing in logs to explain why it's not even trying, not even showing the desktop session (which is installed)
[11:47] <StrangeNoises> googling just brings up ancient articles over the last few years.
[12:02] <Squarism> So great canonical dropped their MIR project. If theres one thing linux doesnt need its further fragmentation
[12:03] <tsimonq2> Squarism: That's not dropped
[12:03] <tsimonq2> Squarism: Just on the desktop
[12:04] <tsimonq2> Squarism: Their focus for that is now IoT
[12:06] <StrangeNoises> hah. got it. nouveau with wayland achieved by following a tip in the archlinux forums :-)
[12:07] <StrangeNoises> specifically, to add "MUTTER_ALLOW_HYBRID_GPUS=1" to /etc/environment. also some hints on how to make it work with prop.drivers which i may come to.
[12:10] <Squarism> tsimonq2, IoT?
[12:10] <tsimonq2> Squarism: Internet of Things
[12:10] <Squarism> ah ok
[23:55] <foo74> hi everyone, I thought I heard Martin mention on Linux Unplugged that Ubuntu (non flavored) doesn't participate in Beta 1. I am confused on Beta release versus daily builds here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/