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| Squarism | So is wayland the default in 17.10? Unity totally gone? | 06:51 |
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| ducasse | as i told you, yes, it's the default for gnome. unity is still in the repos, but only in maintenance mode afaik. | 06:53 |
| Squarism | ducasse, and gnome is the default window manager? | 06:56 |
| Squarism | double default so to speak | 06:56 |
| Squarism | =D | 06:56 |
| ducasse | default desktop environment, yes. (a window manager does nothing except manage windows) | 06:57 |
| Squarism | ducasse, ah thanks. My linux knowledge is not what it should be. I thought Gnome was a window manager only. | 08:39 |
| ducasse | Squarism: nope. it uses one, though, as part of the package. | 08:40 |
| Squarism | Gnome = "Desktop Environment" | 08:41 |
| Squarism | then? | 08:41 |
| ducasse | yes. like unity, kde, xfce etc. openbox, for example, is a wm. | 08:42 |
| Squarism | Ive gotten the impression Wayland is near revolutionary. Am I wrong about that? | 09:00 |
| Squarism | Like - everything that feels in-concise/dated about ubuntu desktop will suddenly feel Next Gen/Fresh/State of the art | 09:01 |
| Squarism | ...when Wayland runs under the hood instead, that is. | 09:02 |
| ducasse | imo; yes, you're wrong about that. :) | 09:03 |
| ducasse | but yes, there are positive (and negative) changes | 09:04 |
| StrangeNoises | ooh, ontopic...Is wayland supposed to work with Nouveau yet? (When I try it, I don't get the session login options for wayland, only xorg) | 10:55 |
| StrangeNoises | otoh wayland/nouveau seems to work on archlinux ;-) | 10:56 |
| StrangeNoises | i ask because, particularly in the world of HiDPI, there seems to be fewer problems on my intel/wayland machine than nvidia/xorg machine | 10:57 |
| ducasse | afaik, it depends on the driver version and wayland version. i might be wrong, though, i avoid nvidia like the plague. | 10:57 |
| ducasse | (and that other question i originally replied to wasn't really a support question at all, imo, so probably not ontopic ;) | 11:00 |
| StrangeNoises | grr. everything seems to say wayland works on nouveau. nothing in logs to explain why it's not even trying, not even showing the desktop session (which is installed) | 11:46 |
| StrangeNoises | googling just brings up ancient articles over the last few years. | 11:47 |
| Squarism | So great canonical dropped their MIR project. If theres one thing linux doesnt need its further fragmentation | 12:02 |
| tsimonq2 | Squarism: That's not dropped | 12:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Squarism: Just on the desktop | 12:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Squarism: Their focus for that is now IoT | 12:04 |
| StrangeNoises | hah. got it. nouveau with wayland achieved by following a tip in the archlinux forums :-) | 12:06 |
| StrangeNoises | specifically, to add "MUTTER_ALLOW_HYBRID_GPUS=1" to /etc/environment. also some hints on how to make it work with prop.drivers which i may come to. | 12:07 |
| Squarism | tsimonq2, IoT? | 12:10 |
| tsimonq2 | Squarism: Internet of Things | 12:10 |
| Squarism | ah ok | 12:10 |
| foo74 | hi everyone, I thought I heard Martin mention on Linux Unplugged that Ubuntu (non flavored) doesn't participate in Beta 1. I am confused on Beta release versus daily builds here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 23:55 |
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