[00:45] dobey: I guess seb has reasons for that, better to ask him... === JanC is now known as Guest61806 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:16] morning [06:02] good morning desktoppers [06:04] salut oSoMoN [06:24] salut jibel [07:07] good morning desktopers [07:13] salut seb128 [07:13] lut oSoMoN, en forme ? [07:13] en forme, et toi? [07:13] morning all :) [07:13] je suis pas encore bien réveillé mais sinon ça va :-) [07:14] hey c-lobrano [07:14] hey seb128 [07:19] hey Trevinho, I've a new patch for bug 1704745 which seems nicer to non-libreoffice applications (e.g. gitg), do you have a moment to review it? [07:19] bug 1704745 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance light-themes - LibreOffice has a white square top right" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1704745 [07:33] c-lobrano, he's having a vac day today [07:34] seb128: oh lucky him :D, no prob, thanks [07:57] Morning desktopers [08:00] good morning flexiondotorg [08:01] hey flexiondotorg, how are you? [08:02] hiiiiiiiiiii [08:02] All good here. [08:02] oh, and good morning Laney! [08:02] Laney o/ [08:02] it's that time of the day already it seems :-) [08:02] how is u.k today? [08:02] Grey [08:03] it's raining quite a lot here today [08:03] summer seems over, shame :-/ [08:03] yeah raining [08:03] hey seb128 et flexiondotorg [08:04] Laney: hey, so, yes, a review is still needed. Upstream is not being very responsive now [08:08] tseliot: ok, will do === maclin1 is now known as maclin [08:28] Laney, is https://trello.com/c/4xS7Ezlu/87-bug1643134-switch-to-packagekit-aptcc-backend done? [08:28] seems to be to me but maybe you want to keep it to track extra changes or something? [08:30] yes [08:30] no [08:30] you can move it [08:31] Laney: thanks [08:31] thanks [09:01] jibel, do you join the bluetooth hangout today? [09:03] seb128, yes I can [09:03] let me grab my headset [09:04] jibel, k, as you want, unsure there is much to discuss but we were unsure if you were coming so waiting for you a bit but we started now [09:17] seb128: Hey there, the MP for this ended up in the Sponsorship Queue, any chance you could take a look when you can? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1514544 [09:17] Ubuntu bug 1514544 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "always set "xkb,us" despite set of other layout when input-sources is empty" [Low,Confirmed] [09:17] (they responded to the bug but I guess you're not subscribed) [09:18] (I'm thinking since it might be a Unity thing that it's obsolete, in which case could you please mark it as such?) [09:18] hey tsimonq2, unity is still in universe and the same problem might happen in GNOME [09:18] unsure why Japan is special [09:18] but yeah, I can try to have a look but not today, my todo is already full enough [09:18] seb128: ack :) [10:25] seb128: could you promote n-m-config-connectivity-ubuntu to main? [10:25] hey jbicha [10:27] jbicha, better to give exact package names when so I can copy to the command next time [10:28] jbicha, but done [10:29] it's such a long name though! ;) [10:29] hehe [10:30] jbicha, sorry I had to go after the meeting yesterday, so for gjs what you wanted exactly? [10:30] gjs, gnome-sushi, gnome-weather removed from artful-proposed [10:30] sources+binaries? or just some arch? [10:31] Laney: did we still want to do the temporary gjs removal now or should we wait to see how your mozjs52 work is going? [10:31] jbicha, what is gjs blocking? [10:32] thought you already did it [10:32] I can try my package quickly [10:32] ok, let's wait a bit longer now [10:32] Laney, I planned to do but got called away from the computer by a needy kid and couldn't come back :-/ [10:33] kids these days have no respect for the ubuntu archive [10:34] yeah, what's up with that! [10:35] hey :P [10:38] shrug [10:38] org.gnome.Shell.desktop[20375]: (EE) Backt [10:38] race: [10:38] org.gnome.Shell.desktop[20375]: (EE) 0: /usr/bin/Xwayland (xorg_backtrace+0x4d) [0x9cc664763d] [10:38] starting kvm segfaulted xwayland and closed my session [10:38] I was in middle of some g-c-c patch updating and debugging [10:39] * seb128 is grumpy [10:41] ok, no vm for me today I guess [10:41] :-/ [10:43] jbicha, Laney, any idea how to get the multiarch lib dir at runtime with the default iso depends (which means not dpkgè-architecture from dpkg-dev)? [10:44] seb128: nope, I usually do something at built time that substitutes it into the package [10:45] I guess I could do that, but it's slightly inconvenient [10:45] it's for the nautilus apport hook which lists installed extensions [10:45] thanks Laney [10:46] that's not to say there isn't a way, just that I don't know it :-( [10:46] I would probably generate it in that case yeah [10:46] could you just use a wildcard? [10:46] ls /usr/lib/*/nautilus/extensions-3.0 [10:46] or use /usr/lib/* [10:46] oh that [10:47] that's kind of annoying to code in python [10:47] unless you use glob.glob I guess [10:48] laney@nightingale> python3 -c 'import glob; print(glob.glob("/usr/lib/*/nautilus/extensions-*/"))' ~ [10:48] ['/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nautilus/extensions-3.0/'] [10:49] that's an idea [10:50] unsure how optimized that is, I mean it makes it checks all the /usr/lib subdirs right? [10:50] but probably light enough compared to the work apport is doing anyway [10:52] yeah probably not that important to optimise too much in a crash handler context [10:52] you could also do extensions-*/* to get them all right away, then no need to do any loop yourself [10:57] yeah [10:57] thanks [11:11] tjaalton, hey, are you the right person to talk to about xwayland? ;-) [11:12] seb128: probably [11:13] tjaalton, k, some questions then [11:13] tjaalton, is that known/reported/investigated than apport doesn't catch Xwayland segfaults? [11:13] not seen that before [11:14] k, well there is no report on e.u.c nor on launchpad so I guess it's true [11:14] like that problem I'm having apport catches a gnome-shell issue [11:14] anyway I can have a look [11:15] tjaalton, next, is there a known segfault in artful? and is that upstream material or ubuntu/debian patched? [11:15] seb128: again haven't seen any [11:15] "Thread 1 "Xwayland" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [11:15] 0x00000092f4790b6e in zwp_pointer_constraints_v1_lock_pointer (lifetime=2, region=0x0, pointer=, surface=, zwp_pointer_constraints_v1=0x92f72d8060)" [11:15] it does it reliably when using kvm [11:15] well I did backport patches from upstream [11:15] could drop some [11:15] I'm happy to report where appropriate with debug info [11:15] or try upstream git if that helps [11:16] just let me know what's best [11:16] tjaalton, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25431556/ [11:17] tjaalton, I'm pretty sure I used kvm a week ago so I wonder if that's a regression in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.19.3-1ubuntu4 [11:17] Error: ubuntu bug 2 not found [11:17] I guess I can try downgrading if that helps [11:18] yeah, the functions in the bt are new from that update [11:18] so I guess it's a new issue [11:18] could be caused by grab protocol patch [11:18] try disabling wayland-add-grab-protocol-support.diff [11:19] tjaalton, reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1713981 [11:19] Ubuntu bug 1713981 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xwayland segfaults when using kvm (since 2:1.19.3-1ubuntu4)" [Undecided,New] [11:19] thx [11:19] yw [11:20] tjaalton, would that help to know that disabling this patch fixes it? [11:20] yes, I'll just drop it then [11:20] is that patch coming from upstream, in which case I should maybe report the issue there? [11:20] it is [11:22] so should I report it to bugs.freedesktop as well? [11:23] you can [11:23] s/may [11:31] tjaalton, reported on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102474 and I'm building without xwayland-add-grab-protocol-support.diff [11:31] Freedesktop bug 102474 in XWayland "segfault in zwp_pointer_constraints_v1_lock_pointer" [Normal,New] [11:32] cool [11:37] tjaalton, oh, I couldn't use the keyboard arrows to navigate the iso menus in kvm and I can again without that patch :-) [11:37] and no segfault [11:38] ok, I'll drop it [11:38] should I repot the keyboard issue upstream as well? [11:39] sure [11:43] tjaalton, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102475 [11:43] Freedesktop bug 102475 in XWayland "Can't use keyboard arrows in kvm with the keyboard grabbing change" [Normal,New] [11:45] Laney, nice work on that gnome-software/enable universe issue, sorry that the bug was not more detailed but I couldn't figure out in which situation it would trigger [13:10] seb128: oops forgot to reply, thanks! [13:11] probably not going to work on any others right now, need to look at this snap thing [13:11] so help welcome [13:16] root@laney-test:~/mozjs52-52.3.1# echo "console.log('hello world')" | js52 - [13:16] hello world [13:16] root@laney-test:~/mozjs52-52.3.1# [13:16] this is a good sign [13:16] ;) [13:20] Laney: thanks! [13:20] let me run the gjs tests first [13:21] mozjs52 is in sid now but with a mismatched tarball so not directly syncable [13:22] SUMMARY: total=32; passed=32; skipped=0; failed=0; user=9.8s; system=2.7s; maxrss=54456 [13:23] woot [13:23] excellent [13:23] hey kenvandine [13:23] * kenvandine thinks we need autopkg tests for snaps [13:23] hey kenvandine, how are you? [13:24] good [13:24] and you? [13:24] hey Laney [13:24] I'm good thanks [13:24] kenvandine, we need autopkg tests, and dbgsnaps and devsnaps and langpacks and ... :-) [13:24] lol [13:24] not much to solve there [13:30] tjaalton, is each patch one commit or did you agregate several upstream commits? [13:31] ah, that's in the description of the patches [13:32] seb128: yes, uploaded a new one that dropped this [13:33] tjaalton, you didn't upload any client/compositor to use those right? [13:33] no [13:33] tjaalton, right, I saw, I just got questions/comment from upstream [13:33] Ubuntu is fine but I would like to see things fixed upstream [13:34] so we can get those changes back without bug later on [13:34] for 18.04 sure, with xserver 1.20 hopefully [13:40] tjaalton, k, well we need to issues fixed eventually at some point so let's see how the upstream discussion goes [13:40] jbicha, do you know when upstream removed the g-s-d lid action gsettings option? I just look at gnome-tweaks and the hack to not suspend on lid close, that seems quite hackish :-/ [13:41] also there is no way with that to make it lock the screen on lid close? [13:42] I don't know [13:43] k [13:43] btw, ubuntu-lid-close-suspend stopped working but that isn't new to 3.25, I haven't gone back to figure out when it stopped working [13:43] what is that? a gsettings key? [13:43] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/ubuntu-lid-close-suspend.patch [13:44] ah [13:44] it's a good idea, it would be nice to see if that could be upstreamed [13:44] people have been asking for that to be in at least tweak tool [13:46] the Power page looks kind of empty in tweak tool now [13:47] seb128, jbicha: Hi! Any thoughts on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_cjkv-fixes/+merge/329857 ? [13:48] GunnarHj, I don't [13:48] and hey [13:50] GunnarHj: I was confused by it [13:51] GunnarHj: were you supposed to update 'live' too? [13:51] oh I didn't see your comment [13:52] bye [14:03] hello desktopers =) [14:03] dist-ugpraded artful, and now it fails to start login manager for me =( [14:03] i can get to tty2, but I don't see gdm anywhere [14:03] and screen flickers [14:04] is there some way for me to troubleshoot this? [14:04] check older kernel [14:04] surprisingly gdm.service claims that it is running, when clearly it is not. [14:05] ok. i have 4.12.0-12, -11, and 3.13.0-25 available i will try -11 now [14:06] 3.13? [14:06] yes [14:06] xnox, what videocard/driver? [14:06] seb128, it should be plain intel [14:07] but will double check [14:07] i had to reboot mid-upgrade, so i do wonder if i have anything broken on disk =/ [14:08] i wonder if there is anything i can check in X, wayland, gdm logs that maybe of help to figure out what is wrong. [14:08] sudo apt-get -f install [14:08] xnox: are you using a VM? [14:08] it's a laptop [14:08] 3.13 doesn't boot at all, so 4.12 is the only kernel i have [14:09] but you were on artful? [14:09] should have 4.11 available [14:10] autoremove for the win! =) [14:10] i915 drm_mks_helper loaded [14:10] and ideapad_laptop too [14:11] GdmLocalDispalyFactory: maximum number of X display failures reached [14:11] * xnox thought it should be launching wayland..... [14:11] just fix the upgrade [14:12] upgrade is fine [14:12] lightdm starts fine [14:12] gdm does not [14:13] sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm [14:13] ;) [14:16] GunnarHj: could you update 'live' too? [14:16] jbicha: Sure, if that's the route we should take. [14:17] jbicha: I.e. I'm inclined to move fcitx to supported, and thus keep those packages in main. [14:18] purging and reinstalling gdm3 [14:18] that sounds fine for 17.10 to me [14:19] yeah, starting gdm flickers 5 times and then gives up [14:19] sigh [14:19] sigh... none of my snaps run today... even snaps that i know worked yesterday :/ [14:19] seb128, jbicha: Ok great, then I'll make that switch. (Probably only tonight.) [14:19] GunnarHj, great [14:19] xnox: gdm uses the journal so check there for logs? [14:20] can someone please install gnome-calculator snap and let me know if it launches? [14:20] xnox, enable debug in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf by uncommenting the "#Enable=true" [14:20] * kenvandine is even using the xorg session... [14:20] i have a tonne of stuff from /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session [14:21] "GdmDisplay: display lasted 2.191899 seconds" string != NULL failed assertion from GLib [14:21] GdmLocalDispalyFactory says "check X server log for errors" [14:21] do that? [14:21] hm X server ":0" unavailable [14:23] EE open /dev/fb0: Permission denied [14:24] and then eventually it just shuts down [14:24] sigh [14:27] gdm-wayland-session segfaults [14:29] oooh [14:29] gnome-session-binary: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry.... [14:29] hm could not get session id for session [14:29] * xnox ponders if my systemd is broken [14:30] or your whale is sick [14:35] xnox, oh, I thought that message sounded familiar - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.0.2-0ubuntu5 [14:35] probably the only thing I've ever worked on that hasn't been deleted yet ;) [15:06] REVERTED [15:40] oSoMoN: any ETA on when we'll get fixed chromium in stable? [15:54] popey, I haven't received any useful feedback on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gl-applications-using-desktop-helpers-dont-work-on-nvidia/1825 and since I don't have nvidia hw I'm not sure how to proceed from there [15:57] oSoMoN: is there anyone on the desktop team who does, who can help? [15:59] kenvandine, I seem to remember you mentioned some nvidia hw that you wanted to unbox to test snaps on it [15:59] If you do I could use your help to investigate https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gl-applications-using-desktop-helpers-dont-work-on-nvidia/1825 [16:00] oSoMoN, sure did... i can give it a whirl [16:00] awesome [16:01] oSoMoN, should i test with chromium from the store? [16:01] oSoMoN, i have unboxed my nvidia desktop, but haven't actually wired it up yet [16:01] i can do that now though [16:02] kenvandine, yes, the stable channel has the snap that fails to run [16:04] kenvandine, you can easily experiment with changing launchers and scripts by unpacking the snap with `unsquashfs chromium*.snap` and after modifying repack it with snapcraft snap squashfs-root` [16:55] oSoMoN, best way to determine if it's using hardware acceleration? Just check the toggle in chrome://settings? [17:12] kenvandine, go to chrome://gpu [17:12] that should tell you if you have hw acceleration [17:19] oSoMoN, i tried it with nouveau first, it was accelerated [17:19] testing with binary driver now [17:23] oSoMoN, software rendering with nvidia binary driver [17:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/25433187/ [17:23] sounds related [17:24] * kenvandine tries altering the launcher [17:31] oSoMoN, i hacked chromium-browser.launcher and same issue [17:31] oSoMoN, i also hacked desktop-launcher [17:31] same thign [18:12] hmmm, the quadrapassel snap doesn't launch at all on nvidia [18:48] cyphermox, hey could you have a look at bug 1713722 ? [18:48] bug 1713722 in cryptsetup (Ubuntu) "System fails to start encrypted swap on boot on an encrypted home installation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713722 [18:48] cyphermox, artful / fresh install === jlnr_ is now known as jlnr [19:50] sure [19:51] did you do manual partitioning for that or guided? [19:51] because it's complaining about a missing /swapfile [21:20] kenvandine[m][m], thanks for looking into that, sorry I disappeared (had some friends over for dinner), let's dig some more into it tomorrow === flexiondotorg_ is now known as flexiondotorg [23:03] .. [23:03] i fixed my laptop by progressively using bigger hammers [23:03] removed all `rc` packages, removed all -dev packages, removed all unity-* packages, run debsums and reinstalled any packages with missing files [23:03] purged lightdm [23:04] purged gdm3 [23:04] rm -rf /etc/gdm3 /var/lib/gdm3 [23:04] reinstall gdm3 and things work fine now. [23:04] it took a while, thus also no idea what was broken, but i can get into "GNOME on X" and "Ubuntu on X" sessions [23:05] * xnox thought there was supposed to be wayland stuff too, no?