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bluesabreUnit193: will probably try to get x-d-s in today or tomorrow00:15
Unit193If there's no additions, I mean I could "sponsor" it for you.00:15
Unit193I'd like to help any way I can.00:16
bluesabreI don't imagine that there are00:16
bluesabreUnit193: Feel free to go ahead and upload00:27
bluesabreThe onboard defaults are quite terrible :D00:27
Unit193Truth, but alas I don't use it.00:28
Unit193E: xubuntu-default-settings: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/share/xubuntu/templates/xdg-xubuntu-templates00:33
Unit193All the freedesktop.org spec links are dead. :D00:43
bluesabreoh noooo00:44
Unit193I may have changed other things. :>00:50
Unit193https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/changes00:52
-SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r637 Run wrap-and-sort -s (by Unit 193)00:56
-SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r638 * d/control, d/copyright, etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf,... (by Unit 193)00:56
-SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r639 Bump Standards-Version to 4.1.0. (by Unit 193)00:56
-SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r640 Release 17.10.0. (by Unit 193)00:56
bluesabreUnit193 is quite handy00:56
Unit193\o/00:57
krytarikUnit193: "Vcs-Browser: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/" gets you to the '/changes' though.00:57
Unit193I'm aware.00:57
Unit193krytarik: That's where the default goes to, so may as well use it.  Seen the same in Debian packages.01:03
Unit193(And I'd presume Debian people use those fields more than Ubuntu.)01:03
bluesabreTrying to file an ubiquity bug, but ubiquity keeps restarting before the report is complete :(01:24
bluesabreor maybe it's lightdm restarting01:26
Unit193syslog should have error output, and /var/log/installer/*01:27
bluesabrethe whole vm freezes for a few minutes before restarting01:27
bluesabreround 201:32
bluesabreApparently not going to happen this time :\01:33
Unit193Ubiquity is a bit...01:33
bluesabre"majestic"01:33
bluesabreUnable to reproduce :(01:41
bluesabrex-d-s already made it in, saw it in my iso testing :D02:07
bluesabreThere's more changes in artful than I thought, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25429394/02:42
bluesabre(though mostly minor)02:45
bluesabredone testing for now, night all02:45
AceHWHey07:42
AceHWAnybody there?07:42
Unit193Not at 4am. :P07:43
AceHWOk. Have a nice day/night07:44
Unit193(Wrong channel.)07:45
AceHWWhy is xubuntu bigger than a CD when it's so close that it should be able to shave off just enough to fit?07:53
knomebecause there simply isn't a way to fit it07:54
AceHWIsn't there?07:54
knomeit's been discussed in length before07:54
AceHWI'd like to know how puppy xenial is much smaller than a CD07:54
knomeprobably because it doesn't include nearly as much stuff as xubuntu?07:55
knomeand i'd imagine it downloads most of the packages from the internet during installation07:55
AceHWit's pretty useful offline07:55
knomethe xubuntu ISO isn't07:56
AceHWI only use it offline07:56
AceHWOk07:56
knomeerr, useless :P07:56
knomeanyway... feel free to try it yourself.07:56
knomebut i'll tell you chances are you will fail07:56
knomeagain, this has been discussed in length before07:57
AceHWok07:57
Unit193Dropping fonts-noto-cjk or whatever would lose about 100MB uncompressed. :P07:57
AceHWThanks. See ya.07:57
AceHWWhat's that do?07:57
knomeadd support to chinese etc. languages for the noto font07:57
knomecjk as in chinese, japanese, korean, but i'm not sure if it actually does more than that07:58
knomewe'd still be around 400MB too large.07:58
AceHWit's been a while since I looked at xubuntu size07:59
Unit193Dropping LO would likely do it. :P07:59
knomeit's around 1.2GB07:59
Unit193knome: Just drop all the langpacks and -cjk, etc.  That'd likely help a bit! ;)08:00
knomewith the ISO size, not appealing to a bigger variety of users :P08:01
knomebut meh, yeah, the languages08:01
knomenot that i think we are going to fit on a CD anyway, but maybe we could do without those08:01
knomewithout the fonts not so sure08:01
AceHWMy apologies. I'll talk to Lubuntu ppl. It seems more likely to get it to fit on a CD08:01
knomeyou can use the minimal ISO if you want to fit on a cd...08:02
AceHWI need offline08:02
knomepretty sure they have discussed it as well08:02
Unit193They're already using --no-install-recommends, which tends to break stuff.08:02
knomeand fitting on a CD is unlikely being the primary goal of any distro08:02
knomeit'd be nice but...08:02
AceHWI talked to a lubuntu guy. Apparently it is for the new guy.08:03
AceHWIf your distro is meant to be usable on the oldest comps that are still usable, CD size is King.08:04
knomeheh.08:05
knomeokay, sure08:05
Unit193And Xubuntu isn't aiming for that.  Oldest thing I run it on is 2004, I wouldn't aim lower than that.08:05
knomedefine usable...08:05
knomeand plop08:05
knomeand the minimal CD...08:05
knomei know he said he needs offline but...08:05
knomei guess he should stick with puppy xenial :P08:05
Unit193Plop is a workaround, mini isn't fun (sloooow.)08:05
knomeeverything is a workaround :P08:06
Unit193No?08:06
knome:P08:06
Unit193Anywho, still wouldn't aim lower than '04.08:06
knomei wouldn't aim lower than 2017 >__<08:07
knomebut yes... that's not the official statement08:07
knomethat said, i still want to use xubuntu...08:07
bluesabreiirc, Even dropping LO wouldn't do it... I think we picked up LO because we were already over and it was nice to have10:06
flexiondotorgakxwi-dave Just checking in to see how testing is going for 17.10 Beta 1? 10:17
akxwi-daveflexiondotorg:  not too bad at moment.. a few niggling bugs, but nothing that will kill it..  apartf rom the Gnome Software bug on  i386, which is a killer... but I see that a fix has been donefor that10:29
flocculantand obviously the everpresent no-one cares about non_US keymaps when installing encrypt 10:50
* flocculant fails an encrypt install10:50
flocculantakxwi-dave: will have a bit of time tonight - will catch up the release note10:52
flocculantbluesabre's paste of changes helps :D10:53
bluesabreyay10:53
flocculantha ha 10:54
akxwi-daveflocculant: LOL .. thats why when testing the encryt i just use numbers and letters.. that way it works.. :-)10:54
flocculantgoing to have to deal with vbox as well :(10:54
flocculantakxwi-dave: lol - should still fail it :D10:54
bluesabreI couldn't get the iso to boot with kvm, had to go back to vbox10:54
bluesabreI feel like we switch back and forth with virt each cycle10:55
flocculantI can boot them from command line 10:55
flocculantkvm -m 2048 -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/Xubuntu/17.10/artful-desktop-amd64.iso10:55
flocculantboots live only10:55
flocculantsudo kvm -m 2048 -boot menu=on  -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/Xubuntu/17.10/artful-desktop-amd64.iso -drive file=/mnt/Data/Virtual\ Machines\ -\ KVM/xub_64.qcow210:55
flocculantboots to a menu and you can install - obviously paths ...10:56
flocculantbluesabre: not sure what's up with kvm currently - it just stopped working recently - up to now it's been fine, but yea vm is a pita regularly10:57
akxwi-daveflocculant: true.. to be honest forgot all about that error..10:57
flocculantcaught up with the 3 I've managed to do10:59
akxwi-daveI'm lucky .. i can blame the wife for my KVM working..   She wont touch windows now.. she'll only use xubuntu... but she has an annoying habit of cancelling the updater when it pops up.., so my desktop hasn't had any updates for a few weeks.. and i'm relegated to the laptop11:00
flocculantlol - not sure when it died tbh - and not had the time nor inclination to find someone to talk to about it 11:01
flocculantbluesabre: " < slangasek> heads up to those participating in beta1, ifupdown priority is being dropped now from important to optional,   dkettman   completing the netplan transition for 17.10; that means any respins are going to have ifupdown dropped, and    Dmitrii-~ use network-manager + networkd exclusively      15:40
flocculantif you would like a respin before beta-1 to get extra testing of this scenario, feel free (just give it ~30m   dpb1       for the publisher before triggering)15:40
flocculantif so - you can respin tonight :)15:41
flocculantand then test it :D15:41
bluesabrestrange timing on that16:03
flocculant:)16:05
flocculantsorry about the random nicks in the copy - stupid irssi ;)16:06
bluesabre:D16:06
bluesabreI know little about this move, not sure if we need to do anything on our side to make sure networking still works16:06
bluesabreI'm assuming not16:07
flocculantI am definitely not the person to comment, any network issues I've had have all been pebkac16:09
Unit193On desktops, in theory none at all.16:09
flocculantthanks Unit193 18:52
flocculantakxwi-dave: unlikely to get to the rel note18:53
flocculantmanana18:53
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bluesabreevening all21:58
bluesabreUnit193, akxwi-dave, flocculant... so, think we should respin or leave it? Looks like only lubuntu has respun this one22:00
ochosievening bluesabre 22:01
bluesabreevening ochosi22:01
ochositestig pa-plugin again wrt launching players22:01
bluesabrecool22:02
bluesabreShould work 100% now22:02
ochosiindeed, nice work!22:03
ochosithe plugin leaves little to be desired now tbh22:03
ochosiapart from maybe the "blocking-audio" feature22:03
ochosinot sure how hard that is to implement22:04
bluesabreochosi: as in the coloring of the icon?22:05
ochosiyup22:05
bluesabreprobably not *too* hard, but haven't looked into it at all22:05
ochosiyeah, i would suppose so22:05
ochosiit's just nice because it shows you something *would* be playing22:06
ochosiguess i've just grown used to it...22:06
bluesabre:)22:06
ochosiregarding the notification plugin, any input on whether to merge it into notifyd or keep it in a separate repo? (both from a packager's and a dev's pov)22:06
bluesabreHaven't actually looked at it, but can see value in having a way to easily get back to notification settings and re-enabling them22:07
ochosiyou mean toggle DND mode?22:09
ochosii'm mostly referring to whether to keep the source :)22:09
ochosi(DND mode can already be toggled from the plugin)22:09
bluesabreI think it makes sense to keep them together22:09
ochosihmmhm22:13
ochosinot sure yet whether i'll find a meaningful way to merge in the plugin with its history22:13
ochosialready tried that and it sorta works...22:13
Unit193bluesabre: How'd I get lumped in with that question? :322:13
ochosianyway, time to get some rest22:14
ochosinight all!22:14
bluesabrenighty ochosi 22:14
bluesabreUnit193, you're the only one that knows anything about it :D22:14
Unit193In that case, I wouldn't respin just for that, tbh.22:14
bluesabre(Thought the same)22:15

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