[00:15] <bluesabre> Unit193: will probably try to get x-d-s in today or tomorrow
[00:15] <Unit193> If there's no additions, I mean I could "sponsor" it for you.
[00:16] <Unit193> I'd like to help any way I can.
[00:16] <bluesabre> I don't imagine that there are
[00:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: Feel free to go ahead and upload
[00:27] <bluesabre> The onboard defaults are quite terrible :D
[00:28] <Unit193> Truth, but alas I don't use it.
[00:33] <Unit193> E: xubuntu-default-settings: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/share/xubuntu/templates/xdg-xubuntu-templates
[00:43] <Unit193> All the freedesktop.org spec links are dead. :D
[00:44] <bluesabre> oh noooo
[00:50] <Unit193> I may have changed other things. :>
[00:52] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/changes
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r637 Run wrap-and-sort -s (by Unit 193)
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r638 * d/control, d/copyright, etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf,... (by Unit 193)
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r639 Bump Standards-Version to 4.1.0. (by Unit 193)
[00:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r640 Release 17.10.0. (by Unit 193)
[00:56] <bluesabre> Unit193 is quite handy
[00:57] <Unit193> \o/
[00:57] <krytarik> Unit193: "Vcs-Browser: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/" gets you to the '/changes' though.
[00:57] <Unit193> I'm aware.
[01:03] <Unit193> krytarik: That's where the default goes to, so may as well use it.  Seen the same in Debian packages.
[01:03] <Unit193> (And I'd presume Debian people use those fields more than Ubuntu.)
[01:24] <bluesabre> Trying to file an ubiquity bug, but ubiquity keeps restarting before the report is complete :(
[01:26] <bluesabre> or maybe it's lightdm restarting
[01:27] <Unit193> syslog should have error output, and /var/log/installer/*
[01:27] <bluesabre> the whole vm freezes for a few minutes before restarting
[01:32] <bluesabre> round 2
[01:33] <bluesabre> Apparently not going to happen this time :\
[01:33] <Unit193> Ubiquity is a bit...
[01:33] <bluesabre> "majestic"
[01:41] <bluesabre> Unable to reproduce :(
[02:07] <bluesabre> x-d-s already made it in, saw it in my iso testing :D
[02:42] <bluesabre> There's more changes in artful than I thought, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25429394/
[02:45] <bluesabre> (though mostly minor)
[02:45] <bluesabre> done testing for now, night all
[07:42] <AceHW> Hey
[07:42] <AceHW> Anybody there?
[07:43] <Unit193> Not at 4am. :P
[07:44] <AceHW> Ok. Have a nice day/night
[07:45] <Unit193> (Wrong channel.)
[07:53] <AceHW> Why is xubuntu bigger than a CD when it's so close that it should be able to shave off just enough to fit?
[07:54] <knome> because there simply isn't a way to fit it
[07:54] <AceHW> Isn't there?
[07:54] <knome> it's been discussed in length before
[07:54] <AceHW> I'd like to know how puppy xenial is much smaller than a CD
[07:55] <knome> probably because it doesn't include nearly as much stuff as xubuntu?
[07:55] <knome> and i'd imagine it downloads most of the packages from the internet during installation
[07:55] <AceHW> it's pretty useful offline
[07:56] <knome> the xubuntu ISO isn't
[07:56] <AceHW> I only use it offline
[07:56] <AceHW> Ok
[07:56] <knome> err, useless :P
[07:56] <knome> anyway... feel free to try it yourself.
[07:56] <knome> but i'll tell you chances are you will fail
[07:57] <knome> again, this has been discussed in length before
[07:57] <AceHW> ok
[07:57] <Unit193> Dropping fonts-noto-cjk or whatever would lose about 100MB uncompressed. :P
[07:57] <AceHW> Thanks. See ya.
[07:57] <AceHW> What's that do?
[07:57] <knome> add support to chinese etc. languages for the noto font
[07:58] <knome> cjk as in chinese, japanese, korean, but i'm not sure if it actually does more than that
[07:58] <knome> we'd still be around 400MB too large.
[07:59] <AceHW> it's been a while since I looked at xubuntu size
[07:59] <Unit193> Dropping LO would likely do it. :P
[07:59] <knome> it's around 1.2GB
[08:00] <Unit193> knome: Just drop all the langpacks and -cjk, etc.  That'd likely help a bit! ;)
[08:01] <knome> with the ISO size, not appealing to a bigger variety of users :P
[08:01] <knome> but meh, yeah, the languages
[08:01] <knome> not that i think we are going to fit on a CD anyway, but maybe we could do without those
[08:01] <knome> without the fonts not so sure
[08:01] <AceHW> My apologies. I'll talk to Lubuntu ppl. It seems more likely to get it to fit on a CD
[08:02] <knome> you can use the minimal ISO if you want to fit on a cd...
[08:02] <AceHW> I need offline
[08:02] <knome> pretty sure they have discussed it as well
[08:02] <Unit193> They're already using --no-install-recommends, which tends to break stuff.
[08:02] <knome> and fitting on a CD is unlikely being the primary goal of any distro
[08:02] <knome> it'd be nice but...
[08:03] <AceHW> I talked to a lubuntu guy. Apparently it is for the new guy.
[08:04] <AceHW> If your distro is meant to be usable on the oldest comps that are still usable, CD size is King.
[08:05] <knome> heh.
[08:05] <knome> okay, sure
[08:05] <Unit193> And Xubuntu isn't aiming for that.  Oldest thing I run it on is 2004, I wouldn't aim lower than that.
[08:05] <knome> define usable...
[08:05] <knome> and plop
[08:05] <knome> and the minimal CD...
[08:05] <knome> i know he said he needs offline but...
[08:05] <knome> i guess he should stick with puppy xenial :P
[08:05] <Unit193> Plop is a workaround, mini isn't fun (sloooow.)
[08:06] <knome> everything is a workaround :P
[08:06] <Unit193> No?
[08:06] <knome> :P
[08:06] <Unit193> Anywho, still wouldn't aim lower than '04.
[08:07] <knome> i wouldn't aim lower than 2017 >__<
[08:07] <knome> but yes... that's not the official statement
[08:07] <knome> that said, i still want to use xubuntu...
[10:06] <bluesabre> iirc, Even dropping LO wouldn't do it... I think we picked up LO because we were already over and it was nice to have
[10:17] <flexiondotorg> akxwi-dave Just checking in to see how testing is going for 17.10 Beta 1? 
[10:29] <akxwi-dave> flexiondotorg:  not too bad at moment.. a few niggling bugs, but nothing that will kill it..  apartf rom the Gnome Software bug on  i386, which is a killer... but I see that a fix has been donefor that
[10:50] <flocculant> and obviously the everpresent no-one cares about non_US keymaps when installing encrypt 
[10:50]  * flocculant fails an encrypt install
[10:52] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: will have a bit of time tonight - will catch up the release note
[10:53] <flocculant> bluesabre's paste of changes helps :D
[10:53] <bluesabre> yay
[10:54] <flocculant> ha ha 
[10:54] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: LOL .. thats why when testing the encryt i just use numbers and letters.. that way it works.. :-)
[10:54] <flocculant> going to have to deal with vbox as well :(
[10:54] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: lol - should still fail it :D
[10:54] <bluesabre> I couldn't get the iso to boot with kvm, had to go back to vbox
[10:55] <bluesabre> I feel like we switch back and forth with virt each cycle
[10:55] <flocculant> I can boot them from command line 
[10:55] <flocculant> kvm -m 2048 -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/Xubuntu/17.10/artful-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:55] <flocculant> boots live only
[10:55] <flocculant> sudo kvm -m 2048 -boot menu=on  -cdrom /mnt/Data/iso/Xubuntu/17.10/artful-desktop-amd64.iso -drive file=/mnt/Data/Virtual\ Machines\ -\ KVM/xub_64.qcow2
[10:56] <flocculant> boots to a menu and you can install - obviously paths ...
[10:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: not sure what's up with kvm currently - it just stopped working recently - up to now it's been fine, but yea vm is a pita regularly
[10:57] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: true.. to be honest forgot all about that error..
[10:59] <flocculant> caught up with the 3 I've managed to do
[11:00] <akxwi-dave> I'm lucky .. i can blame the wife for my KVM working..   She wont touch windows now.. she'll only use xubuntu... but she has an annoying habit of cancelling the updater when it pops up.., so my desktop hasn't had any updates for a few weeks.. and i'm relegated to the laptop
[11:01] <flocculant> lol - not sure when it died tbh - and not had the time nor inclination to find someone to talk to about it 
[15:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: " < slangasek> heads up to those participating in beta1, ifupdown priority is being dropped now from important to optional,   dkettman   completing the netplan transition for 17.10; that means any respins are going to have ifupdown dropped, and    Dmitrii-~ use network-manager + networkd exclusively      
[15:40] <flocculant> if you would like a respin before beta-1 to get extra testing of this scenario, feel free (just give it ~30m   dpb1       for the publisher before triggering)
[15:41] <flocculant> if so - you can respin tonight :)
[15:41] <flocculant> and then test it :D
[16:03] <bluesabre> strange timing on that
[16:05] <flocculant> :)
[16:06] <flocculant> sorry about the random nicks in the copy - stupid irssi ;)
[16:06] <bluesabre> :D
[16:06] <bluesabre> I know little about this move, not sure if we need to do anything on our side to make sure networking still works
[16:07] <bluesabre> I'm assuming not
[16:09] <flocculant> I am definitely not the person to comment, any network issues I've had have all been pebkac
[16:09] <Unit193> On desktops, in theory none at all.
[18:52] <flocculant> thanks Unit193 
[18:53] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: unlikely to get to the rel note
[18:53] <flocculant> manana
[21:58] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:00] <bluesabre> Unit193, akxwi-dave, flocculant... so, think we should respin or leave it? Looks like only lubuntu has respun this one
[22:01] <ochosi> evening bluesabre 
[22:01] <bluesabre> evening ochosi
[22:01] <ochosi> testig pa-plugin again wrt launching players
[22:02] <bluesabre> cool
[22:02] <bluesabre> Should work 100% now
[22:03] <ochosi> indeed, nice work!
[22:03] <ochosi> the plugin leaves little to be desired now tbh
[22:03] <ochosi> apart from maybe the "blocking-audio" feature
[22:04] <ochosi> not sure how hard that is to implement
[22:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: as in the coloring of the icon?
[22:05] <ochosi> yup
[22:05] <bluesabre> probably not *too* hard, but haven't looked into it at all
[22:05] <ochosi> yeah, i would suppose so
[22:06] <ochosi> it's just nice because it shows you something *would* be playing
[22:06] <ochosi> guess i've just grown used to it...
[22:06] <bluesabre> :)
[22:06] <ochosi> regarding the notification plugin, any input on whether to merge it into notifyd or keep it in a separate repo? (both from a packager's and a dev's pov)
[22:07] <bluesabre> Haven't actually looked at it, but can see value in having a way to easily get back to notification settings and re-enabling them
[22:09] <ochosi> you mean toggle DND mode?
[22:09] <ochosi> i'm mostly referring to whether to keep the source :)
[22:09] <ochosi> (DND mode can already be toggled from the plugin)
[22:09] <bluesabre> I think it makes sense to keep them together
[22:13] <ochosi> hmmhm
[22:13] <ochosi> not sure yet whether i'll find a meaningful way to merge in the plugin with its history
[22:13] <ochosi> already tried that and it sorta works...
[22:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: How'd I get lumped in with that question? :3
[22:14] <ochosi> anyway, time to get some rest
[22:14] <ochosi> night all!
[22:14] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi 
[22:14] <bluesabre> Unit193, you're the only one that knows anything about it :D
[22:14] <Unit193> In that case, I wouldn't respin just for that, tbh.
[22:15] <bluesabre> (Thought the same)