dufluHold onto your hats. Ubuntu 17.10 is now just days behind the latest Gnome Shell code01:48
didrocksgood morning05:02
tsimonq2o/ didrocks05:04
didrockshey tsimonq205:04
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers05:50
flexiondotorgMorning didrocks tsimonq2 oSoMoN06:18
didrockshey flexiondotorg, oSoMoN06:18
tsimonq2o/ flexiondotorg and oSoMoN06:19
oSoMoNhey flexiondotorg, didrocks, tsimonq206:19
seb128good morning desktopers06:22
seb128hey flexiondotorg tsimonq2 oSoMoN06:22
seb128re didrocks06:22
tsimonq2o/ seb12806:22
flexiondotorgMorning seb12806:23
flexiondotorgWho should I talk to about the nvidia proprietary driver packages?06:24
flexiondotorgThey've regressed significantly between 17.10 Alpha 2 and Beta 1.06:25
flexiondotorgPrime simply doesn't work anymore.06:25
flexiondotorgI've had an investigate, got some info.06:26
seb128flexiondotorg, talk to tseliot06:38
oSoMoNgood morning seb12806:39
tseliotflexiondotorg: can you reproduce the problem and show me your /var/log/gpu-manager.log , please?07:13
flexiondotorgSure. I've got a couple of meetings and then I'll do more tests.07:14
flexiondotorgThe crux of the issue is it is impossible to enable prime. There are no options to enable the nvidia drivers.07:16
flexiondotorgtseliot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25443451/07:30
flexiondotorgThat is what is in /var/log/gpu-manager.log.07:31
flexiondotorgI've just installed updates and there was an update for nvidia-375, so I'm going to reboot and see if anything has changed.07:31
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flexiondotorgI did see this while updating07:32
flexiondotorgSetting up nvidia-375 (375.82-0ubuntu3) ...07:33
flexiondotorgdpkg: error: version '-' has bad syntax: revision number is empty07:33
flexiondotorgINFO:Enable nvidia-37507:33
flexiondotorgDEBUG:Parsing /usr/share/ubuntu-drivers-common/quirks/put_your_quirks_here07:33
flexiondotorgDEBUG:Parsing /usr/share/ubuntu-drivers-common/quirks/dell_latitude07:33
flexiondotorgDEBUG:Parsing /usr/share/ubuntu-drivers-common/quirks/lenovo_thinkpad07:33
flexiondotorgLoading new nvidia-375-375.82 DKMS files...07:33
flexiondotorgBuilding for 4.12.0-11-generic07:33
flexiondotorgBuilding for architecture x86_6407:33
flexiondotorgBuilding initial module for 4.12.0-11-generic07:33
tseliotflexiondotorg: the nvidia module doesn't seem to be loaded. Also, I don't see your nvidia card in the system (did you disable it from the BIOS?)07:34
flexiondotorgNo. I have an nvidia 1080 Ti in a Razer Core connected via Thunderbolt 3.07:35
alexarnaudgood morning all :)!07:35
oSoMoNgood morning alexarnaud07:36
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flexiondotorgtseliot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25443484/07:42
flexiondotorgAfter update and reboot.07:42
tseliotflexiondotorg: what does your new /var/log/gpu-manager.log look like?07:43
flexiondotorgnvidia-settings is now offering the choice of Intel or Nvidia07:44
flexiondotorgtseliot: Here is the new gpu-manager.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/25443490/07:45
flexiondotorgSo the last update has appeared to resolved the issue I encountered yesterday.07:47
didrocksflexiondotorg: hey, have you pushed the new ambiance gtk theme btw?07:50
didrocksflexiondotorg: I don't see any review on https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/better-destructive-action/+merge/329392, correct?07:50
flexiondotorgdidrocks: I'm going to rebase it today.07:50
didrocksflexiondotorg: nice! so all pending branches will be reviewed and package pushed by EOD? \o/07:51
flexiondotorgI will try.07:51
flexiondotorgI've only got my spare time to work on this.07:52
tseliotflexiondotorg: it looks the same, with nvidia being disabled. If that works, then it's all good07:53
flexiondotorgYeah, I was able to select nvidia log out/in and all working.07:58
* Laney nods08:02
seb128hey Laney, happy friday08:12
Laneyhey seb128, happy friday to you!08:14
Laneyare you well?08:14
davmor2Morning all08:15
didrockshappy friday Laney & davmor208:15
seb128Laney, yes, looking forward getting some more sleep but I managed to get some work done yesterday before going to bed and had an not-too-late morning today so that might be a productive friday :-)08:15
seb128Laney, you?08:15
Laneyhey didrocks & davmor2!08:23
Laneyseb128: tired too, looking forward to the weekend08:23
Laneywe're supposed to be going to a river or lake or something to go wild swimming, should be fun08:24
davmor2Hey Laney didrocks08:25
didrocksTrevinho: maybe you would know, the ubuntu font in G-S panel is quite blurry, as you worked on hdpi (but I'm only in 1x), is there any font hinting in the Shell that you know of?08:44
Trevinhodidrocks: mh, no.... I guess it's because it has a slight shadow08:45
Trevinhodidrocks: you can check it better by forcing it 2x08:45
seb128oh, Trevinho is up08:45
seb128good morning Trevinho :-)08:46
didrocksTrevinho: how can I do this?08:46
Trevinhohi seb128, yes :)08:46
didrocksjust changing the font size by *2?08:46
didrocksI don't see any shadow that way08:46
Trevinhodidrocks: mhmh..  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/03ExjSYA/08:48
Trevinhothere's shadow, but... might not be very well visible08:48
didrocksTrevinho: you have younger and better eyes than I do :p08:48
didrocksdo you know how we can improve this?08:48
Trevinhodidrocks: maybe younger, not sure if better :-D08:48
Trevinhodidrocks: it's managed by theme08:49
didrocksTrevinho: is it a css property to disable it?08:49
didrocksTrevinho: rember the shell css is different :p08:49
Trevinhodidrocks: as for magnifying all up, not sure if you can run gnome-shell nested there with GDK_SCALE=2..08:49
Trevinhoyeah, there's a theme node indeed08:49
Trevinholet me check which one08:49
Trevinhodidrocks: here's where is loaded08:50
Trevinhoso... text-shadows: manages it from StLabel08:50
didrocksah nice!08:51
didrockslet me try to disable it only for the panel08:51
oSoMoNgood morning popey, have you seen jd_strand's questions at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/chromium-snap-doesnt-work-with-the-nvidia-proprietary-driver/1825/7 ?08:51
oSoMoNI wonder if there's an easy way for you to test with snapd 2.2808:52
Trevinhodidrocks: I guess this one08:52
Trevinho  #panel .panel-button {08:52
Trevinho    -natural-hpadding: 12px;08:52
Trevinho    -minimum-hpadding: 6px;08:52
Trevinho    font-weight: bold;08:52
Trevinho    color: #eee;08:52
Trevinho    text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);08:52
Trevinho    transition-duration: 100ms; }08:52
Trevinhoerr. sorry for the flooding :|08:52
didrocksTrevinho: yeah, I was on that one08:52
didrocksTrevinho: just trying to see wha tother impacts it has08:52
didrocksTrevinho: and actuallllllllllyyyyyyyyyy no08:53
Trevinhodidrocks: mh, it seems here too... mhmh08:53
didrockslet's apply globally first08:53
didrockshum, no, something is overriding it08:54
Trevinhodidrocks: might be more local yes08:54
Trevinhofor example the 'overview' class manages the panel08:55
didrocksTrevinho: no, it's only #panel08:55
didrocksoverview is the panel in overview mode08:55
didrocks    #panel.solid .panel-button {08:57
didrocksI can at least change the color here :)08:57
didrocksbut text-shadow is none08:57
didrocksare you sure the shadow is coming from only that property?08:57
didrocks(.solid is when you have a maximized app or any app touching the top panel)08:58
didrocksTrevinho: confirmed, there is no text-shadow applied to that node, so not that…08:59
didrocksjust replace the text-shadow: none with an horrible color08:59
didrocksyou will see it's applied08:59
didrocksso, the blur doesn't come from there09:00
didrocksand also way more blurry under wayland09:01
didrockswhich is weird09:01
didrocksduflu: hey, any thoughts on this? (fonts is more blurry under wayland in the Shell panel) ^09:01
dufludidrocks, I am burried in GDK madness. Can you give more hints as to what you mean?09:02
oSoMoNricotz, hey, I’ve got a build of 5.4.1 going in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/lo-stage/+packages09:02
didrocksduflu: so, wayland session, look at the panel font in the ubuntu session (like date/time entry)09:03
didrocksit's really blurry here09:03
didrocksnot that much on X09:03
dufluLet me check X again09:03
didrocks(the blur is even more visible once we start attaching the gradient from our theme)09:04
dufludidrocks, Not sure I can see it but I had been suspecting parts of the panel fonts were blurry. That's either a different hinting mode, or lack of subpixel order information. We had the latter problem in Mir (DRM failed to provide it) so I guess X might have been guessing when it wasn't available09:06
didrocksduflu: let me take a screenshot with the new theme, I guess it's really visible there (so that you can confirm)09:08
dufludidrocks, Confirmed with screenshots - Wayland is missing subpixel info so is doing greyscale09:08
dufluwhich is of course a bit more blurry09:09
dufluI had to zoom into screenshots to see it09:09
didrocksduflu: ah, however, our decorators aren't that blurry, are we giving more font hintings?09:10
didrocksTrevinho: FYI ^09:10
* didrocks wonders why his current captures aren't in ~/Images09:10
dufludidrocks, if ~/Pictures or whatever doesn't exist then they are in ~/09:10
didrockswell, it's ~/Images in french09:11
didrocks(translated XDG path)09:11
didrocksand not in ~/09:11
didrocksduflu: Trevinho: http://imgur.com/a/I8klB09:11
dufluSubpixel rendering also seems to have slightly stronger hinting (less vertical blur) but might be in the same hinting level09:11
didrockswe can clearly see that the decoration is "fine", not the panel09:12
didrocksso, missing some hinting info in the Shell?09:12
dufludidrocks, I think hintint is probably not a contributor. But lack of subpixel definitely is (I can see in my own screenshots)09:13
didrocksduflu: I don't get how the decoration, with the same font size (I think?) is giving a different result09:13
dufludidrocks, different subpixel order enum passed into the font rendering functions09:14
didrocksah, that makes sense, so different treatment09:14
dufluIt's blurry on gdm too09:14
didrocksyeah, gdm is actually the Shell09:14
didrocks(same panel, different css class)09:14
didrocksI guess there is no quick way for us to fix this, correct?09:15
dufludidrocks, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64543309:16
ubot5Gnome bug 645433 in general "gnome-shell's panel ignores font settings" [Normal,New]09:16
dufluIt's had a patch waiting since 2012 :)09:19
didrocksduflu: I quickly skimmed through it, but yeah, that matches what you were telling09:19
didrocksduflu: unsure the patch fixes it with the followup comments09:19
dufluThat's OK. So long as it's still an open bug09:19
didrocksthe patch landed09:19
didrocksin 3.609:19
didrocksyeah, it doesn't respect it anymore under wayland, I guess https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1411272 is the good reference09:24
ubot5bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1411272 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell doesn't respect hinting settings under Wayland" [Unspecified,New]09:24
dufludidrocks, yes seems like the right bug. Where "hinting" means "hinting and subpixel order"09:25
dufluThe extra vertical blur suggests the hinting is different09:26
didrocksduflu: I bet this is quite involved in term of changes and will take time? (I created a trello card anyway so that we can keep an eye on it)09:26
didrocksunfortunately, I find it very glaring with the new theme09:26
didrocks(due to the gradient I guess)09:27
dufludidrocks, yes I was mostly subconsciously irritated by it. Don't see why it should be a big bug though... most of the code should be common between X and Wayland there. Font rendering is almost always done with software blitting09:28
dufluI mean I don't see why it should be too hard to fix, but maybe it is09:28
didrocksduflu: ah, if you are hopeful about it and think you can tackle it before release, that's awesome!09:29
didrocksLet me log it as a launchpad bug, I think we'll get people refering to it once I land the new theme09:29
dufluI hope to have the time in future09:29
didrockslet me target it against gnome-shell, then you can retarget where it fits better (wayland or mutter)09:29
dufludidrocks, actually there's an old bug I found back in May. You might want to close that and use your new one...09:30
ubot5Ubuntu bug 893859 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell doesn't support subpixel smoothing" [Medium,Incomplete]09:31
didrocksduflu: which one do you prefer? I can reuse and change the description of the old one if you prefer it that way09:31
dufludidrocks, I think the old bugs are too old (they don't cover the fact that it works in Xorg)09:32
didrocksduflu: ok, let's close the old one.09:32
dufluUse a new LP bug and the redhat one09:32
didrocksduflu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/171445909:34
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1714459 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Shell panel font is blurry under wayland" [Undecided,New]09:34
dufluFun fun09:34
didrocksthanks a lot for looking at it duflu :)09:34
didrocks(and giving me hints I'm not crazy and my eyes still worth something :p)09:35
dufludidrocks, no problem. Yes it annoyed me too09:35
Trevinhodidrocks: mh, not sure then... For sure there's some shadow in the git version I'm using09:37
didrocksTrevinho: look above ^ it's another kind of issues09:38
didrocksnot wanted "shadow" at least ;)09:38
Trevinhodidrocks: ack, I saw that now09:39
dufluI'm done09:51
dufluCatch you next week09:51
popeyoSoMoN: replied to that thread with the data I have..10:12
fossfreedomLaney, thanks for your suggestions - I've reworked the two patches; any chance you can pass your eyes over again please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/170369010:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1703690 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "Add support for Budgie Desktop using GNOME Screensaver" [Undecided,In progress]10:36
Laneyfossfreedom: hopefully later on, have to look at tseliot's patch too but some other things to do first :(10:41
oSoMoNpopey, thanks10:49
seb128didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1714330 is the multilogin segfault session backtrace10:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1714330 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in on_crtc_flipped() from g_closure_invoke() from invoke_flip_closure() from page_flip_handler() from drmHandleEvent()" [Medium,Confirmed]10:49
seb128jbicha, ^10:49
didrocksseb128: thx!10:49
seb128the upstream bug pointed is fixed in git10:50
seb128that's not the same report but might be worth testing with current git10:50
didrocksindeed. I won't today, but can add it to next week list10:51
didrocks(big set of patches)10:51
seb128easier if jbicha makes a git snapshot10:51
seb128or if we wait for the next tarballs10:51
didrocksyeah, .92 isn't far away10:52
ricotzoSoMoN, hi, ack10:58
ricotzoSoMoN, I assume there are no additional packaging changes compared to the current git tree?10:59
oSoMoNricotz, correct11:03
ricotzoSoMoN, ok11:07
seb128jbicha, hey11:13
jbichagood morning11:13
seb128jbicha, when you do GNOME updates using meson, can you include a debian/rules snippet like I added to gnome-bluetooth?11:15
seb128ninja -C obj-$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) <domain>-pot11:15
jbichaseb128: you want that for all of main, right?11:16
seb128jbicha, I've on my todolist to look at the translation tools integration with the new build systems but it's not trivial and meanwhile the workaround would give us working langpacks11:16
seb128jbicha, those using meson only, but yes11:16
seb128you need to figure out the <domain> manually11:16
jbichaI just got us in sync with Debian on several packages ;)11:16
seb128don't copy it like that, it's the actual domain11:16
seb128jbicha, you can diff the pre-meson and new version see if there are strings changes11:17
jbichaI might push that in to Debian since I think an unrecognized override would just be ignored…11:17
seb128if there are not no need to get the updated template11:17
seb128put a comment saying it's a temporary hack until dh_translations learn to deal with meson11:17
jbichasince they're getting most of GNOME 3.24 and 3.26 faster than expected, I'm hoping they won't mind11:18
seb128Trevinho, what's the status of those 2 indicators gcc buildfix landing?11:18
jbichaseb128: do you have a goal of when you want those snippets added by?11:19
seb128I'm not even sure most projects got strings changes this cycle11:20
seb128but would be nice to have them as we land 3.2611:20
jbicharight and meson modules would be mostly likely to be doing 3.25.92 and 3.26 this time (since some modules skip releases)11:22
seb128jbicha, if you can do to or include those changes when you do updates that would be useful11:23
seb128jbicha, but let me know if you want me to look list and check which ones are needed11:24
seb128that's a bit of work but maybe most have no string change11:24
jbichasure, mostly done with Debian updates this week11:24
jbichaseb128: what about LP: #1688994 since that's not strictly meson?11:25
ubot5Launchpad bug 1688994 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) "dh-translations: cannot build POT without intltool" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168899411:25
seb128jbicha, it's on my todolist for a while, just didn't get to it yet11:26
jbichameson projects don't use intltool but some other stuff doesn't use intltool either11:26
seb128do you have an example or non-meson non-intltool?11:26
jbichabtw, LP: #1631750 is a high priority bug for language support11:28
ubot5Launchpad bug 1631750 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Language installation doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Settings app" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163175011:28
jbichathat broke when we updated to PackageKit1 last year11:28
seb128still quite some work to do this cycle :-/11:28
jbichadecision on trying to land a mutter git snapshot in artful or wait until later next week for next tarball release?11:30
seb128I think it can wait next week11:30
seb128but if you have the slots to do a snapshot that would be useful11:31
seb128could avoid a few users to loose work by having their session closing11:31
seb128if that actually fixes the segfault11:31
jbichaI guess the nice part about a snapshot is if we find any thing that still doesn't work, there are still a few days before 3.26 code freeze for those to get fixed11:33
jbichatoo bad mutter isn't using meson yet because making tarballs with meson is pretty easy these days11:34
seb128jbicha, gnome-sudoko should be easy to fix for dh_translations, but unsure how common that case is11:41
seb128it has a configure.ac with the gettext domain11:41
seb128but most projects do11:41
seb128where gnome-sudoku does11:41
seb128AC_SUBST([GETTEXT_PACKAGE], [gnome-sudoku])11:41
seb128our parser does11:42
seb128    $domain = $1 if /^GETTEXT_PACKAGE\s*=\s*(\S*)/;11:42
seb128so we can easily add a regexp for the other syntax11:42
jbichathat's sort of what happened with evolution except evolution is cmake and we don't do much cmake now?11:42
seb128not really, we do cmake as well11:43
seb128but evolution has the subst using a variable11:43
seb128like $project_name or something11:43
seb128and we don't do variables resolution11:43
seb128that's too complex for our simple tool, we don't want to reimplement a build system parser :-)11:44
seb128Trevinho, hey, did you see my ping earlier?12:02
Trevinhoseb128: hey, no... sorry12:02
seb128Trevinho, k, no worry, what's the status of the indicator build fixes landing?12:03
Trevinhoseb128: indicators landing is fine for me, we need to publish it though..12:03
seb128that was my question12:03
Trevinhoseb128: I've no powers for that12:03
seb128then ping/ask on the channel! :-)12:04
Trevinhoseb128: and dobey asked something in ubuntu-devel IIRC12:04
seb128right, let's ignore that cleanup for now, it's not important12:04
seb128I was just looking at the approved changes when we discussed doing a landing12:04
Trevinhoseb128: ok, so feel free to publish it... Sorry I didn't pinged you about, I thought you were monitoring the silo :)12:05
seb128I don't even know what silo that is12:06
seb128you said you would move them out of the silo that includes unity12:06
TrevinhoI still have build issue in the unity side instead, but I need a porter box and RT was still working in a chroot... As I only see issues in some archs12:08
seb128you are still waiting for access to a porter box?12:10
Trevinhoseb128: I've the access, but not the right chroot to test it12:20
jibeldidrocks, the app indicator is not always displayed, is it known?12:36
jbichadidrocks: mozjs52 is stuck in artful-proposed because I enabled mandatory build tests which fail on s390x so s390x doesn't build12:37
jibeldidrocks, I mean I've 2 apps in this indicator and sometimes it's there, sometimes not12:37
jbichawe know that s390x doesn't work any way, how do you want to handle this?12:37
jbichado I need to specific architectures in debian/control?12:37
seb128jibel, you should ask Trevinho and not didrocks12:38
seb128he's the one looking after the appindicators integration12:38
seb128stop bouncing all issues to Didier please12:38
jibelTrevinho, then ^12:41
Trevinhojibel: what are the apps?12:43
jbichaseb128: is there an LP bug for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/786978 ?12:44
ubot5Gnome bug 786978 in plugins "The plugins notifications are displayed untranslated" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]12:44
seb128jbicha, I don't think so, I noticed it myself and worked directly upstream12:44
jibelTrevinho, synology cloud client and hp systray12:45
Trevinhojibel: are they both qt apps, right?12:46
jibelTrevinho, hp is a qt app, I don't think synology is12:48
jibelTrevinho, cloud client is a gtk app12:49
jibelTrevinho, are there any log I could check?12:51
kenvandinei'm not getting any indicators either, i should have hexchat there12:51
jibelthere is nothing in the journal regarding this extension12:51
kenvandineTrevinho, does it require indicator-application?12:53
kenvandinei don't have that installed12:53
kenvandinebut i do have indicator-messages running12:53
Trevinhokenvandine: nope... the extension should do that12:53
TrevinhoI'm now working in fractional stuff, but I'll be back to that in next days,,12:54
kenvandinedamn, gnome-software is using all 4 cores :/12:56
seb128bah, the GNOME updates screwed suspend13:08
seb128gnome-tweak-tool-lid-inhibtor stopped working it seems13:09
seb128and the g-s extension to display a suspend button still lists it but it doesn't work13:09
seb128jbicha, shouldn't that gnome-builder update require a ffe?13:10
jbichait's unseeded universe so um I thought it didn't need a FFe13:11
Laneyfeature freeze applies to the whole archive13:11
xnoxjbicha, if binaries are removed for s390x from artful-release; britney will stop considering a missing build as a regression and the package will become a valid candidate13:12
jbichait was late because it split out 3 libraries which had to go through the Ubuntu or Debian new queues13:12
seb128doesn't matter much why it's late, it's still a feature update after ffe :-)13:13
seb128I'm +1 for the update btw, was looking at versions over lunch and I though it would be good to update13:13
jbichathe libraries were in the NEW queue weeks ago (before Feature Freeze)13:13
jbichathe bad part about the new version is that I disabled terminal because trying to hack it to work with our vte2.91 seemed too much13:14
jbichaso I'll file a FFe if I get that working then I guess13:14
didrocksjibel: you can check which extensions are enabled with alt + f2, "lg", then 3rd tab to ensure you have the extension on13:15
didrocksjibel: you can as well "show error logs"13:16
jibeldidrocks, thanks it's loaded and no error13:18
jibelTrevinho, bug 171450413:18
ubot5bug 1714504 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "App indicator is not always displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171450413:18
didrocksjibel: ok, for Trevinho thus!13:18
kenvandinei guess the app indicator doesn't actually show stuff from the messaging indicator right?13:19
kenvandinewhich i think the legacy tray must have been doing13:19
didrocksyeah, it's only "appindicators" AFAIK13:19
jbichadidrocks: please remove mozjs52/s390x from artful-release per xnox's comment13:19
seb128kenvandine, hey Ken, how are you?13:19
kenvandinethat explains why hexchat isn't showing up there13:19
kenvandineseb128, hey, good and you?13:19
seb128kenvandine, I'm good thanks13:19
seb128kenvandine, did we have new GNOME snaps that got published in the store this week? (for the desktop weekly news)13:20
didrocksjbicha: sorry, didn't see xnox's commenting on this right now? or do you mind, the old comment a week or so ago?13:20
kenvandineseb128, gnome-system-monitor13:20
jbichadidrocks: his comment about 8 minutes ago here13:20
seb128kenvandine, did you get the autoconnect assertion done?13:20
kenvandineseb128, i also have branches for all the snaps that add the wayland interface, ready for snap 2.28 release13:20
kenvandineseb128, it has 2 votes13:20
didrocksjbicha: did you check rdepends?13:20
kenvandinebut i don't think it's added yet13:21
kenvandineseb128, i've also tested all the snaps, they work with wayland13:21
kenvandinewith a few tweaks :)13:21
kenvandineall in my branches13:21
kenvandinei also cleaned up plugs, like some of them had home and network when they didn't really need them13:22
jbichadidrocks: yes the only rdepends is gjs which already had its s390x binaries removed13:22
didrocksjbicha: Could not find binaries for 'mozjs52/None' in artful .  Exiting.13:22
didrocksabnd indeed, there is none13:22
kenvandinedidrocks, i have an eog snap which has thumbnailer issues.  I think it's failing to query the mime type13:22
kenvandinedidrocks, have you seen any snap using desktop helpers that we know successfully queries the mime cache?13:23
didrockskenvandine: no, I don't think this was ever tested13:23
kenvandinei think i've found a bug, need to keep digging13:24
kenvandineit calls a function _can_thumbnail which requires a mimetype arg13:24
jbichalibmozjs-52-0 libmozjs52-dev libmozjs52-0-dbgsym libmozjs52-dev-dbgsym13:24
kenvandinewhich is NULL13:24
oSoMoNanyone interested in trying out the libreoffice snap, there's an update to 5.4.1 in the edge channel13:29
oSoMoNI'm not issuing a wider call for testing yet, as I have a few known issues to iron out first13:29
oSoMoNbut it's already fairly usable it seems13:29
oSoMoNexcept on wayland where it crashes at startup, that is13:30
seb128oSoMoN, oh, good, I can include that in the weekly news :-)13:30
didrocksjbicha: the -dev is arch:all, so only the lib actually. Done13:34
amanojbicha, if we need a ffe for gnome builder, we will probably need one for gnome games at well...13:38
seb128kenvandine, what sort of issues have the snap currently under wayland?13:38
jbichaamano: yes, would you be interested in filing that bug?13:38
kenvandineseb128, one of them needed opengl interface as well13:39
kenvandinethe rest i just added the wayland interface13:39
seb128kenvandine, I was just wondering if the libreoffice crashes under wayland oSoMoN mentioned could be the same issue13:39
kenvandinecould be13:39
kenvandineoSoMoN, ^^ you might need to add opengl to the plugs13:40
amanoYup. Over the weekend. For the gnome games app, I guess...13:40
kenvandineoSoMoN, and have you tested it with the wayland interface?  which is in core from the edge channel?13:40
* kenvandine installs it13:41
kenvandineoSoMoN, seb128: i see it does connect to wayland and opengl, so that's not the problem13:48
kenvandineand i can confirm it doesn't start for me with wayland :/13:48
didrocksjbicha: there is a lot of people on the french forum who reports that Tweaks doesn't display the right status for mode enabled extensions13:57
didrocksjbicha: it displays them as being disabled13:57
didrocksI guess you should read the css file to see if they are loaded, and if the user disable them, add to the list of "disabled-extensions" which works with the Shell13:58
didrocksjbicha: basically, those guys are starting to make extensions like that: https://extensions.gnome.org/review/7279 (and I would prefer them to use Tweaks)14:01
seb128gnome-shell stopped listing calendar events since the 3.25 updated here14:02
seb128is anybody else having the same issue?14:02
didrocksoh correct14:03
seb128jbicha, ^ known?14:04
jbichagsettings get org.gnome.shell disabled-extensions14:07
jbichaNo such key “disabled-extensions”14:07
oSoMoNseb128, kenvandine: I just tried an earlier build of the same snap (https://code.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+snap/libreoffice/+build/66888) and that one works under wayland14:07
jbichaGNOME Classic has the same issue with their extensions not showing up as On in Tweaks app14:07
kenvandineoSoMoN, ok, so some code change i guess14:08
jbichadidrocks: but it's actually a gnome-shell bug, try running gnome-shell-extension-prefs to see the same thing14:08
oSoMoNthe next build in the list fails, and the actual changes to the branch are not meaningful, so I'm guessing a build dep or a stage package changed in the meantime14:08
oSoMoNI'll compare the build logs14:08
didrocksjbicha: well, you can detect it still, no?14:09
seb128jbicha, didrocks, from the build log14:09
seb128dh_install: Please use dh_missing --list-missing/--fail-missing instead14:09
didrocksjbicha: or you are using some external API and not the gsettings key?14:09
seb128dh_install: This feature will be removed in compat 11.14:09
seb128dh_missing: usr/${libdir}/gnome-shell/gnome-shell-calendar-server exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere14:09
seb128jbicha, didrocks, we need --fail-missing :-)14:09
didrocksseb128: +114:09
seb128dh_missing: usr/${libdir}/gnome-shell/gnome-shell-hotplug-sniffer exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere14:09
didrocksI can turn it up in my next upload14:09
kenvandinedidrocks, i've confirmed it's the mime query that's breaking thumbnails14:09
seb128well and some others14:10
kenvandinei have a branch of eog that hard codes the mimetype to "image/png"14:10
kenvandineand it works :)14:10
kenvandineso at least i know i'm on the right path14:10
didrocksjbicha: how Tweaks is detecting enabled extensions?14:10
kenvandineg_file_info_get_content_type is failing14:11
jbichaI didn't build Tweaks so I don't know14:11
didrockswell, you are the current maintainer, aren't you?14:12
didrocksok, it's querying over dbus14:12
jbichabut I think it shares functionality with gnome-shell-extension-prefs14:12
oSoMoNkenvandine, seb128 : for reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/171452014:13
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1714520 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] libreoffice 5.4.x snap crashes at startup on wayland" [High,Triaged]14:13
didrocksok, I'll try to fix it there then14:13
jbichaask Red Hat to send you a bonus check if you fix it (since RHEL ships both GNOME Classic and Tweak Tool by default) ;)14:14
seb128jbicha, didrocks, also14:15
didrocksactually, they don't expose the "enabled" state14:15
seb128 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.Shell.CalendarServer.service:Exec=/usr/${libdir}/gnome-shell/gnome-shell-calendar-server14:16
seb128the ${libdir} there looks boggus14:16
didrocksand so tweaks fallback to the gsettings key14:16
seb128it should be replaced by the actual value I guess?14:16
didrocksseb128: indeed14:16
jbichaseb128: I think the libdir problem needs to be fixed in debian/rules since IIRC meson wants explicit directory names instead of variables14:18
seb128jbicha, can you have a look to the libdir/missing files issue today?14:18
seb128I want to look at the g-c-c dock patch still14:18
seb128want a bug report?14:19
jbichaprobably not needed but you can if you want14:20
seb128no it's fine14:20
seb128--libdir=/usr/lib \14:20
jbichaI am annoyed that debhelper emits that dh_missing warning, if I wanted debhelper 11 compatibility, I would have set it!14:21
seb128I guess we can just put the value for libexecdir14:21
jbichayes, that's my plan14:21
seb128libdir is not going to change without direct edit14:21
jbichaI'm surprised by how little work is done on GNOME Classic (the theme in particular could use love)14:23
oSoMoNbuild logs for parallel builds are hard to compare :/14:23
seb128oSoMoN, indeed :-/14:24
oSoMoNlet's see if I can compare the squashfs of a working snap and a broken one instead14:25
ogra_oSoMoN, you are not building the libreO snap on non-xenial without cleanbuild, do you ?14:26
ogra_(that wont work because your lib versions wont match whats in the core snap ... you need to build against xenial (i.e. use cleanbuild))14:27
oSoMoNogra_, nope, I'm building on launchpad, xenial14:31
ogra_ah, k the beginning of the description in the bug sounded like you are building natively on artful14:31
oSoMoNhu ho, the desktop-launch script differs between the two versions, and by a wayland-related snippet14:31
oSoMoNogra_, testing on artful, not building on artful14:32
ogra_yeah, got it14:32
oSoMoNI think I found my culprit14:33
* oSoMoN looks at kenvandine 14:33
kenvandineoSoMoN, yes?14:34
oSoMoNkenvandine: is there anything specific I need to do to make the snap work with that change in the desktop helpers?14:34
kenvandineoSoMoN, no14:34
kenvandineshould just work[tm]14:35
kenvandineworked for all of my snaps :)14:35
oSoMoNlet me test by commenting out that snippet in the snap14:35
kenvandineoSoMoN, good idea14:35
jbichaseb128: done https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.25.91-0ubuntu214:44
seb128jbicha, thanks14:44
seb128didrocks, ^14:45
seb128didrocks, includes fail-missing so you can remove from your todo14:45
jbichadidrocks: libmozjs-52-dev is not arch:all and needs to be removed to unblock proposed migration14:46
oSoMoNkenvandine, confirmed, reverting that change in the desktop helpers "fixes" the libreoffice snap14:47
oSoMoNthe issue is probably somewhere else in the snap though14:47
oSoMoNbut at least I know where to start looking14:47
ogra_oSoMoN, well, i doubt you have a wayland interface unless you run snapd master ... it hasnt been released yet14:48
kenvandineogra_, i tested his snap with the wayland interface14:51
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kenvandineoSoMoN, not sure what that could have to do with it though14:51
kenvandineit sets additional env14:51
didrocksjbicha: done14:52
oSoMoNkenvandine, maybe missing stage packages? can you point me to a snap of yours that works under wayland with that change?14:52
seb128oSoMoN, can you try which line/env creates the issue?14:52
oSoMoNseb128, yep, was going to try that14:52
kenvandineoSoMoN, mine all use the gnome-3-24 content interface14:53
kenvandineoSoMoN, maybe the wayland libs are missing?14:53
oSoMoNkenvandine, which package provides them?14:53
kenvandineoSoMoN, it does link to gtk right?14:54
kenvandinemaybe it's because it's built with the old wayland libs?14:54
kenvandinetry getting a build with the backport ppa14:54
seb128that might well be the issue14:55
kenvandineif it's using gtk from xenial, that's an old wayland14:55
seb128oSoMoN, kenvandine, xenial wayland libs aren't going to work with the artful server14:55
kenvandinemight not be compatible14:55
oSoMoNkenvandine, wayland 1.12.0-1~ubuntu16.04.1 is already in xenial, how does the version in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-3-24/+packages differ?15:00
oSoMoN(in xenial-updates, that is)15:01
seb128oh, that's quite recent15:02
seb128it was not at the time of the backport15:02
kenvandineit was 1.9 then15:03
oSoMoNcommenting out the export of GDK_BACKEND to "wayland" makes the snap work15:04
seb128so it probably use x11/xwayland15:04
seb128now to debug what is wrong with wayland...15:05
seb128does setting an env override the launcher one?15:05
kenvandinegtk3 hasn't been rebuilt in xenial since that upload15:05
seb128oSoMoN, I don't think using native wayland is important atm, so maybe just override the env if you can15:05
kenvandinelooks like latest gtk3 upload was april15:06
kenvandinewayland was july15:06
kenvandinei'm curious if it might work built against the backports ppa15:07
seb128it's not even clear that the gtk version in xenial works with that newer wayland15:07
kenvandinemaybe that gdk wayland backend is broken in xenial right now15:07
kenvandineyeah... it might even fail to build!15:07
oSoMoNkenvandine, I'll try building the snap against the backports PPA, it's gonna take a while though…15:07
kenvandineoSoMoN, yeah15:07
seb128oSoMoN, kenvandine, try building with the ppa15:08
seb128oSoMoN, that's what the w.e is for :-)15:08
seb128surprise on monday15:08
* kenvandine gets a 3 day weekend this weekend :)15:08
seb128and as a bonus you don't get to be disappointed on a friday15:08
kenvandinemonday is a us holiday15:08
seb128national holiday on monday? or vac day?15:08
seb128lucky you15:09
oSoMoNseb128, nah, a local build should take less than 4 hours, I can report back before going on EOW^W on holidays15:10
oSoMoN(I'm out all of next week)15:11
seb128oh, I forgot about that15:12
seb128oSoMoN, enjoy!15:12
oSoMoNwill sure do, flying to France for a few days tomorrow15:13
seb128oSoMoN, btw I didn't follow but the .1 artful update is for after your holidays then? (it's fine, just curious since I saw you discuss updates with rico this week)15:13
Laneypoor you15:13
didrocksnice timing as well with the weather being a little bit more enjoyable :)15:13
oSoMoNseb128, well the update should be ready for publication tonight, but it will have received little testing15:14
seb128oSoMoN, I can block it in artful-proposed next week if you want to land it but feel a bit nervous about it15:14
seb128at least the time we get some testing15:15
oSoMoNseb128, if you don't mind waiting a week, I can give it some serious testing when I'm back15:15
seb128oSoMoN, waiting is fine, do you prefer have it in proposed or just not uploaded until the week after?15:16
oSoMoNseb128, if the build completes shortly, I can stress-test it a bit before my EOD and if it looks good let's push it to -proposed (and keep it there), otherwise let's just wait15:17
seb128oSoMoN, k, it's fine either way so don't overstress yourself15:18
ricotzseb128, oSoMoN, having it sitting in -proposed would be preferred imo15:20
seb128ricotz, why?15:21
ricotzI guess this way it will get into autopkgtest too15:21
seb128but it might block things if it turns out to not be ready and has to be blocked there for a while15:22
oSoMoNit would also give people using -proposed a chance to try it out and report issues15:22
seb128that's the + side indeed15:22
seb128I don't expect transitions now so it's not likely to block much15:22
ricotzplease do so then15:23
ricotzit seems there is more care about a dev-release than the current stable one ;)15:23
ricotz(regarding libreoffice)15:23
oSoMoNricotz, regarding the zesty SRU I simply haven't had time to do it, it's not that I don't care15:25
seb128jbicha, you added a gtksourceview4 to versions but that package doesn't exist (yet)?15:25
ricotzoSoMoN, I understand that, but the zesty version is 5 months old, and minor 5 releases behind15:27
seb128ricotz, there is no really point discussing a situation which is known and where everybody agrees it's suboptimal and understand the reason why it is (understaffing)15:28
seb128no real*15:28
ogra_also ... use snaps, not backported debs ;)15:29
jbichaseb128: someone needs to make a package for it eventually15:30
ricotzseb128, I would agree on that if it would be some less important package, I was hoping this would change, just reminding about it15:30
jbichaa year ago, gtk4 was said to be really soon…15:31
seb128jbicha, right, but until then it lists as an empty/boggus line on the page :p15:32
ricotzjbicha, gtksourceview4 wasn't meant to work with gtk4, does it?15:32
seb128ricotz, k, fair enough, still it's only Olivier doing libreoffice & chromium, snap&debs, current&stable series15:32
jbicharicotz: I believe that's the point of gtksourceview4 but I haven't looked into it15:33
ricotzjbicha, there was some confusing about the naming, and I believe there was meant to be another bump/name change for that15:33
ricotzseb128, I know that15:35
jbichaoh, gtksourceview 3.99.5 in git master still lists gtk 3.20 in its configure.ac15:35
ricotzjbicha, https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GtkSourceView/TransitionToGtkSourceView415:36
seb128do others also have right right on a gedit titlebar that open/activate the context menu direct15:44
seb128which leads to minimize15:44
didrocksI didn't remember if that was the behavior prior to latest G-S update15:45
didrocksthat's why I didn't report it15:45
didrocksyou have to keep right click pressed15:46
didrocksto select another item15:46
seb128didrocks, it works on nautilus though15:53
didrocksohhhhhhhh, correct15:54
seb128"fun", gedit page up/down doesn't work/scroll if the right side of the window is out of the screen15:54
didrockslooks like I only had the case yesterday with gedit15:54
didrocksdidn't try that15:54
seb128not going to get borred any time soon!15:54
didrocksjob4life :)15:54
jbichagedit also doesn't work well if you have too many docs open, I think it needs a tab switcher like epiphany has16:03
seb128jbicha, didrocks, I looked a bit to updating the dock settings patch but it's more than a one hour job, so that's going to be for next week16:15
didrocksseb128: yeah, as seeing that we need to do the display matching, unsure how "easy" it's going to be its own panel (which it should IMHO)16:16
didrocksseb128: so, still undecided on it, but clearly not trivial16:16
didrocksI rebased the theme branch on jbicha's work (but using git-remote-bzr to do the easy rebase)16:17
didrocksI must say it worked very smoothly16:17
jbichadidrocks: are you planning a gnome-shell upload soon?16:19
didrocksjbicha: Monday, with the new theme16:20
jbichadidrocks: could you try adding this snippet to d/rules ?16:21
jbichathe translations part, the test part isn't needed16:21
didrocksjbicha: are we sure the tests works?16:21
didrocksyeah, I didn't want to block after the announce on this16:22
jbichatests are enabled in Ubuntu already so you can ignore that16:22
didrocksso ninja is a build-dep already?16:22
jbichayes it's what meson uses to do the actual build16:22
jbichaand gnome-shell is meson only now16:22
didrocksgood! will add this thus!16:22
seb128thanks didrocks16:22
didrocksjbicha: on Tweaks, I'll do the change first on -prefs (probably end of next week), but more changes are needed in tweaks as well16:23
jbichabuild tests aren't working for me in clutter, mutter, and gnome-shell in Debian but I don't know why16:23
seb128k, I'm going to do some wayland debugging for https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102475 so closing my session16:23
ubot5Freedesktop bug 102475 in XWayland "Can't use keyboard arrows in kvm with the keyboard grabbing change" [Normal,Needinfo]16:23
seb128then I probably call it a week16:23
seb128have a nice w.e desktopers16:23
didrocksthanks, you too seb128!16:24
kenvandineseb128, you too!16:24
jbichabtw, GNOME is in code freeze next week16:24
seb128good, less new bugs added!16:25
jbichafinally :)16:25
didrocksjbicha: yeah, I'll add that as a distro-patch but still report it to G-S upstream, I don't think they worry much seeing for how long they have this bug with classic :p16:26
seb128k, on that note session closing16:26
jbichagnome-shell will probably be late on code freeze, it's funny because they are the part that most needs freezes16:27
didrocksdue to the last bugs? I didn't see that discussed16:27
didrocksor the top panel changes ?16:27
jbichagnome-shell is usually late for release deadlines16:28
jbichalike deadline is Monday so they release on Thursday 3 or 4 days later16:28
Laneytseliot: your patch seems to work - I'll give you a code review on monday morning17:02
Laneyfossfreedom: you too17:02
Laneytseliot: looks like something has locked up when my screen dimmed though :(17:03
tseliotLaney: thanks! Yes, it looks like an nvidia/wayland bug, nothing my code could ever cause. Have a nice weekend!17:31
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oSoMoNkenvandine, re-built the libreoffice snap with the gnome-3-24 PPA, and am still getting the same crash at startup20:11
kenvandineoSoMoN, ok20:14
kenvandinethat rules that out20:14
oSoMoNI’ll resume investigation on that issue on the 11th when I’m back from holidays20:18
kenvandineoSoMoN, have a good vacation!20:23

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