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lotuspsychjegood morning to all05:05
Bashing-om\0 lotuspsychje . S L O W .05:06
lotuspsychjehey Bashing-om time for a coffee then :p05:06
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: installed artful on my desktop yesterday05:07
lotuspsychjeas its rock solid already05:07
Bashing-omTesters say they have had nothing to do . Does not break . :)05:08
lotuspsychjelol05:12
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: the world stands still at your timezone i think05:12
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: meaning its time for a new ubuntu release :p05:13
lotuspsychjeto get the channel crowdy again05:13
Bashing-omNaw . 'buntu has become so solid and user friendly that a new release no longer is a big deal in support :(05:14
lotuspsychjealso true!05:14
Bashing-omThe last big fu-fer-all I recall was the 12.04 release .05:15
lotuspsychjei think 17.10 will be the bomb05:17
lotuspsychjeso many gnome changes lately05:17
Bashing-omYeah .. 17.10 will be " somerging else" .. I look forward to what 18.04 is to be .05:20
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Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Me think me soon " just not detected at all " .05:29
ducassemorning all06:22
lordievaderGood morning07:12
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ducassehi lordievader07:27
ducasseall well?07:27
lordievaderHi ducasse, doing allright here.07:28
lordievaderOrdered a new keyboard yesterday \o/07:28
lordievaderHow are you doing?07:28
ducasseoh, what model? i'm fine, thanks - trying to wake up :)07:30
lordievaderA Ducky One TKL with blue leds and MX Browns :D07:30
lordievaderWanted a smaller mechanical keyboard for easier traveling.07:31
lordievaderMy fullsize keyboard does not fit in my backpack :(07:31
ducassenice :) i've got a das keyboard pro 4 with mx blue - totally love it.07:31
ducasse'tkl' = 'tenkeyless'?07:32
lordievaderThe one I have at home is also a DAS keyboard. One with blank keycaps and mx browns as well.07:32
lordievaderYes. Without the numpad.07:32
ducassehow much was the ducky?07:34
lordievader90 euros. But I had a gift card.07:35
lordievaderOriginally it was a 114.07:35
lordievaderThe one without the leds at the cheapest place was the same price.07:36
ducasseyou need blue leds, though ;)07:36
lordievaderHahaha, honestly I don't know XD07:36
lordievaderThere is also an RGB version, but that one is about 20-30 euros more expensive.07:37
ducasseproper mechanical keyboards are hard to find here, almost everything you find are these cheesy backlit gaming things.07:38
ducassei used to have a razer, but their switches are nowhere near as nice as cherry's.07:39
lordievaderI had the same feeling when hunting for one.07:42
lordievaderOn the one hand I had the idea that other switches might be okay, but on the other hand, of MX switches I know they are nice.07:43
ducassethere are other nice switches, but generally not on gaming keyboards that i've tried. i'm sticking with cherry until i find something i'm certain i like better.07:46
lordievaderYes, if you can try them first it is a different story, but spending ~100 euros on something you are not sure about....07:47
ducasseexactly. i'm now looking for a good trackball, to take the load off my hands and wrists. not much to choose from, unfortunately, and almost never on display on shops.07:50
lordievaderNo, you rarely see those things. I happen to know our secretary uses one.07:52
ducassei have to wear this support thing for my right wrist, and keep hearing that trackballs can help...07:54
nicomachus!eol15:35
ubot5End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades15:35
daftykins:D15:36
nicomachusthat wiki page is SO OUT OF DATE15:38
nicomachuslike every other.15:38
nicomachus"specific examples" at the bottom only goes up to 11.04 > 12.04 upgrade15:38
daftykinshahaha :D15:38
nicomachustrying to help some kid on reddit that is stuck on 16.10 and is getting errors from do-release-upgrade... it'd be nice to have specific instructions. but ok.15:39
daftykinsyou might have to go Lt. Ripley on them15:39
nicomachusLt. Ripley?15:40
nicomachusgod, this page still shows apt-get instructions too. bah.15:40
nicomachushttps://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/6xdl7r/cant_upgrade_ubuntu/15:41
nicomachus ^ that's the thread15:41
nicomachusI've never seen that output as an error message before, but I've also never seen `update-manager -c` before15:43
daftykinsyeah Alien, "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"15:44
nicomachusoh15:45
nicomachuswell, I did recommend - in bold - that he should backup and do a fresh install. but then I also included the EOLUpgrades instructions.15:45
nicomachuswhen is 17.04 EOL? January?15:52
nicomachusI forget.15:52
nicomachus!17.0415:52
ubot5Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Read the release notes at https://ubottu.com/y/zesty15:52
nicomachusAlso, this thread is great: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/6xf6uj/if_people_spoke_to_car_mechanics_like_it/15:55
nicomachusU: For some reason my seat got moved. Does that have anything to do with that Volkswagen diesel scam thing?15:56
nicomachusM: Sir, your car is a Toyota15:56
daftykins:>15:57
daftykinsi replied to a client about a slow PC with the price of an SSD, not heard anything since15:57
nicomachushe actually just wanted an oil change. :P16:00
daftykins"it keeps leaking out!"16:00
ducassedaftykins: your client probably thought "he's just trying to sell me unnecessary stuff", thinking it would make no difference at all. he would have been surprised :D17:31
daftykins:>17:32
daftykinscould be17:32
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nicomachuswelp. tried to run a script to remove some duplicates from a VERY large spreadsheet in librecalc. RAM immediately filled to max. Everything froze. No response for over 10 mins. Had to do a hard-shutdown. :/19:19
Bashing-omnicomachus: Ouch ! .. Massaging/migrating a large data base here also . in small steps ... day 3 for me - in between times :)19:55
nicomachusit worked ont he second try, but I highlighted the data instead of just the whole sheet.19:57
daftykins:)19:57
nicomachusidk why all those empty cells caused problems, but oh well19:57
daftykinsdoes smell a bit like bug potential19:58
Bashing-omnicomachus: Even empty cells have addressing overhead :)19:58
nicomachusit's a third-party librecalc extension, so probably very buggy.19:59
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