[05:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:06] <Bashing-om> \0 lotuspsychje . S L O W .
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om time for a coffee then :p
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: installed artful on my desktop yesterday
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> as its rock solid already
[05:08] <Bashing-om> Testers say they have had nothing to do . Does not break . :)
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: the world stands still at your timezone i think
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: meaning its time for a new ubuntu release :p
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> to get the channel crowdy again
[05:14] <Bashing-om> Naw . 'buntu has become so solid and user friendly that a new release no longer is a big deal in support :(
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> also true!
[05:15] <Bashing-om> The last big fu-fer-all I recall was the 12.04 release .
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> i think 17.10 will be the bomb
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> so many gnome changes lately
[05:20] <Bashing-om> Yeah .. 17.10 will be " somerging else" .. I look forward to what 18.04 is to be .
[05:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Me think me soon " just not detected at all " .
[06:22] <ducasse> morning all
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:27] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[07:27] <ducasse> all well?
[07:28] <lordievader> Hi ducasse, doing allright here.
[07:28] <lordievader> Ordered a new keyboard yesterday \o/
[07:28] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:30] <ducasse> oh, what model? i'm fine, thanks - trying to wake up :)
[07:30] <lordievader> A Ducky One TKL with blue leds and MX Browns :D
[07:31] <lordievader> Wanted a smaller mechanical keyboard for easier traveling.
[07:31] <lordievader> My fullsize keyboard does not fit in my backpack :(
[07:31] <ducasse> nice :) i've got a das keyboard pro 4 with mx blue - totally love it.
[07:32] <ducasse> 'tkl' = 'tenkeyless'?
[07:32] <lordievader> The one I have at home is also a DAS keyboard. One with blank keycaps and mx browns as well.
[07:32] <lordievader> Yes. Without the numpad.
[07:34] <ducasse> how much was the ducky?
[07:35] <lordievader> 90 euros. But I had a gift card.
[07:35] <lordievader> Originally it was a 114.
[07:36] <lordievader> The one without the leds at the cheapest place was the same price.
[07:36] <ducasse> you need blue leds, though ;)
[07:36] <lordievader> Hahaha, honestly I don't know XD
[07:37] <lordievader> There is also an RGB version, but that one is about 20-30 euros more expensive.
[07:38] <ducasse> proper mechanical keyboards are hard to find here, almost everything you find are these cheesy backlit gaming things.
[07:39] <ducasse> i used to have a razer, but their switches are nowhere near as nice as cherry's.
[07:42] <lordievader> I had the same feeling when hunting for one.
[07:43] <lordievader> On the one hand I had the idea that other switches might be okay, but on the other hand, of MX switches I know they are nice.
[07:46] <ducasse> there are other nice switches, but generally not on gaming keyboards that i've tried. i'm sticking with cherry until i find something i'm certain i like better.
[07:47] <lordievader> Yes, if you can try them first it is a different story, but spending ~100 euros on something you are not sure about....
[07:50] <ducasse> exactly. i'm now looking for a good trackball, to take the load off my hands and wrists. not much to choose from, unfortunately, and almost never on display on shops.
[07:52] <lordievader> No, you rarely see those things. I happen to know our secretary uses one.
[07:54] <ducasse> i have to wear this support thing for my right wrist, and keep hearing that trackballs can help...
[15:35] <nicomachus> !eol
[15:36] <daftykins> :D
[15:38] <nicomachus> that wiki page is SO OUT OF DATE
[15:38] <nicomachus> like every other.
[15:38] <nicomachus> "specific examples" at the bottom only goes up to 11.04 > 12.04 upgrade
[15:38] <daftykins> hahaha :D
[15:39] <nicomachus> trying to help some kid on reddit that is stuck on 16.10 and is getting errors from do-release-upgrade... it'd be nice to have specific instructions. but ok.
[15:39] <daftykins> you might have to go Lt. Ripley on them
[15:40] <nicomachus> Lt. Ripley?
[15:40] <nicomachus> god, this page still shows apt-get instructions too. bah.
[15:41] <nicomachus> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/6xdl7r/cant_upgrade_ubuntu/
[15:41] <nicomachus>  ^ that's the thread
[15:43] <nicomachus> I've never seen that output as an error message before, but I've also never seen `update-manager -c` before
[15:44] <daftykins> yeah Alien, "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
[15:45] <nicomachus> oh
[15:45] <nicomachus> well, I did recommend - in bold - that he should backup and do a fresh install. but then I also included the EOLUpgrades instructions.
[15:52] <nicomachus> when is 17.04 EOL? January?
[15:52] <nicomachus> I forget.
[15:52] <nicomachus> !17.04
[15:55] <nicomachus> Also, this thread is great: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/6xf6uj/if_people_spoke_to_car_mechanics_like_it/
[15:56] <nicomachus> U: For some reason my seat got moved. Does that have anything to do with that Volkswagen diesel scam thing?
[15:56] <nicomachus> M: Sir, your car is a Toyota
[15:57] <daftykins> :>
[15:57] <daftykins> i replied to a client about a slow PC with the price of an SSD, not heard anything since
[16:00] <nicomachus> he actually just wanted an oil change. :P
[16:00] <daftykins> "it keeps leaking out!"
[17:31] <ducasse> daftykins: your client probably thought "he's just trying to sell me unnecessary stuff", thinking it would make no difference at all. he would have been surprised :D
[17:32] <daftykins> :>
[17:32] <daftykins> could be
[19:19] <nicomachus> welp. tried to run a script to remove some duplicates from a VERY large spreadsheet in librecalc. RAM immediately filled to max. Everything froze. No response for over 10 mins. Had to do a hard-shutdown. :/
[19:55] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Ouch ! .. Massaging/migrating a large data base here also . in small steps ... day 3 for me - in between times :)
[19:57] <nicomachus> it worked ont he second try, but I highlighted the data instead of just the whole sheet.
[19:57] <daftykins> :)
[19:57] <nicomachus> idk why all those empty cells caused problems, but oh well
[19:58] <daftykins> does smell a bit like bug potential
[19:58] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Even empty cells have addressing overhead :)
[19:59] <nicomachus> it's a third-party librecalc extension, so probably very buggy.