[00:19] <m0nkey_> Do I want to get Star Trek: Bridge Crew for the Vive?
[00:19] <m0nkey_> It's half price right now.
[00:37] <diddledan> yes, you do. then you want to buy me a vive. and a copy of star trek bridge crew
[00:37] <diddledan> :-p
[00:38] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:38] <m0nkey_> But I have to deal with Ubisoft's UPlay
[00:38] <diddledan> ergh
[00:38] <m0nkey_> That is why I'm not jumping on it.
[00:48] <ali1234> get gorn
[00:48] <ali1234> its great
[00:48] <m0nkey_> I see that's on sale.. 10% off. My threshold is typically 25% or more
[00:49] <ali1234> i think you can still download the free version
[00:49] <ali1234> https://raithza.itch.io/gorn
[00:50] <m0nkey_> Worth a look, thanks :)
[00:50] <m0nkey_> I did try out Vivecraft. Minecraft in VR is pretty awesome
[00:50] <ali1234> that's an old tech demo, the version on steam has more stuff
[00:51] <m0nkey_> You don't actually appreciate how big the blocks are until you play Minecraft in VR.
[00:51] <m0nkey_> They're frickin huge!
[00:51] <ali1234> they are 1m x 1m, are they not?
[00:51] <m0nkey_> Yeah, they are.
[00:52] <ali1234> trouble with minecraft is its a game that you play for hours and hours
[00:52] <penguin42> hmm hang on, isn't this an arbitrary coordinate system?
[00:52] <m0nkey_> I need to set-up my room scale again. Not done it since I reinstalled it. Most of what I've been playing is sit down/stand up stuff.
[00:52] <ali1234> and wearing the headset for that long gets tiring
[00:52] <ali1234> this is also good: http://store.steampowered.com/app/488310/Eleven_Table_Tennis_VR/
[00:52] <penguin42> what headsets ar eyou using?
[00:52] <m0nkey_> I can wear it for about an hour before I have to stop
[00:52] <ali1234> vive
[00:53] <m0nkey_> I don't normally jump on bandwagons, but VR was a particular bandwagon I had to be on :D
[00:54] <ali1234> the haptics in the table tennis game are so good
[00:56] <m0nkey_> Wow. How expensive is ECC DDR4?!
[00:56] <ali1234> its double in price since last year
[00:57] <m0nkey_> 32GB for $529 CAD
[00:57] <ali1234> its because phones use DDR4 now
[00:57] <ali1234> non-ECC that is
[00:58] <ali1234> i paid about £114 for 32GB last year, it's £253 not
[00:58] <ali1234> crashing pound didn't help either
[00:58] <m0nkey_> I think I paid $200 CAD for 16GB ECC 3 years ago
[00:59] <m0nkey_> 16GB now is going to cost a minimum of $300 now.
[01:00] <m0nkey_> I'm putting together a parts list for my next file server.
[01:00] <m0nkey_> I'm up to $900 before I've bought a case, PSU or drives.
[01:00] <ali1234> why 16GB RAM for a file server?
[01:00] <m0nkey_> FreeNAS
[01:00]  * m0nkey_ waits for the hate
[01:01] <ali1234> it needs 16GB?
[01:01] <m0nkey_> ZFS baby :)
[01:01] <ali1234> i wouldn't put more than 4GB in a file server
[01:02] <m0nkey_> ZFS eats ram like a motherplunger.
[01:02] <ali1234> i would use ext4
[01:02] <m0nkey_> This is the motherboard I'm considering.. https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813183013&ignorebbr=1
[01:02] <m0nkey_> With an Intel G4400 CPU
[01:02] <ali1234> how much disk space?
[01:03] <m0nkey_> I'm considering buying 8 x 6TB drives
[01:03] <ali1234> i would get one of these: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-j3160tm-itx-quad-core-intel-j3160-16ghz-ddr3-ddr3l-intel-hd-graphics-400-sata3-gbe-usb-30-thi
[01:03] <ali1234> 2x 4TB drives and a NVMe for OS
[01:04] <ali1234> and 2GB ram
[01:04] <m0nkey_> lol
[01:04] <m0nkey_> When I do a file server, I do a file server :D
[01:04] <ali1234> i can't see the point
[01:05] <ali1234> unless it is for business use
[01:05] <m0nkey_> Have a little read about ZFS. That's the why for the RAM.
[01:07] <m0nkey_> I know. I'm a bit of a storage whore. ZFS all the way. I got too many family photos I don't want to risk losing (and yes, it's all backed up -- including offsite backup)
[01:07] <m0nkey_> I'll be quiet now :)
[01:08] <ali1234> i'm not looking forward to the day when someone asks me to do data recovery on a ZFS volume
[01:09] <ali1234> QNAP's non-standard EXT3-with-large-file-patches was bad enough
[01:09] <m0nkey_> If it's maintained correctly. You shouldn't have to on any file system.
[01:10] <ali1234> sounds like woo
[01:10] <ali1234> what if i zero out the first GB of the array?
[01:12] <diddledan> I can't work out whether this is a genuine inquiry or a spam/phish https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/y6UG5cUD/
[01:13] <ali1234> benson smoke?
[01:13] <ali1234> like benson and hedges?
[01:15] <diddledan> it looks spammy a bit, with the "get back to me with your requested"
[01:16] <diddledan> I don't know what "my requested" would be
[01:16] <m0nkey_> Why would you zero the array?
[01:16] <ali1234> m0nkey_: accidents happen
[01:18] <m0nkey_> Considering there is nothing in /dev/ for ZFS, pretty hard to do. You could probably zero one drive and it survive :)
[01:23] <diddledan> that's a good reason to combine the redundancy into the filesystem layer. means you never have the "array" as a single writable block
[06:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:44] <CoderEurope> the beat is out ! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/ubuntu-17-10-beta-1-download
[06:44] <CoderEurope> **beta
[07:04] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <Gargoyle> Mornin'
[07:23] <Gargoyle> Anyone got lm-sensors working on a new ryzen 7 chip/mobo? Hitting lots of dead-ends on google
[07:24] <diplo> Afraid not, looking at buying a ryzen box or i7 soon though
[07:25] <Gargoyle> I'm very happy with the Ryzen 7 so far. But need to get case fans under control. It's whisper quiet on windows, but sounds like a 747 in Ubuntu
[07:27] <Gargoyle> I heard rumours of better support for Ryzen in 4.12 kernel, so I pulled the plug and went for 17.10 beta last night. But so far, no sign of anything relating to temps or fan controls.
[07:27] <diplo> Ah, well I'll be running either Ubuntu or Solus on mine as my main work horse at work - doesn't bode well as I hate having a noisey machine
[07:27] <diplo> Why I don't run ubuntu on my laptop, couldn't control the fans
[07:28] <Gargoyle> I have just the 6 of them! :P
[07:28] <Gargoyle> 7 including GPU
[07:29] <diplo> hah so very noisey :)
[07:30] <diplo> https://github.com/groeck/lm-sensors - create a bug maybe ?
[07:31] <diplo> https://github.com/groeck/lm-sensors/issues/16
[07:37] <Gargoyle> Oh well, I suppose there is hope if someone from AMD is participating in the thread.
[07:37] <Gargoyle> Just a shame that a lot of docs are pointing to lm-sensors.org... which has gone AWOL!
[07:38] <Gargoyle> Gonna play in the BIOS and slow them down a bit. BBIAB
[08:02] <foobarry> lovely day yesterday doing this: http://imgur.com/a/FioIv
[08:08] <diplo> My kids want me to buy them one foobarry, although that looks expensive :)
[08:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <foobarry> diplo: the trick is finding land you can detect on
[08:18] <foobarry> its cheaper than a laptop
[08:18] <foobarry> its so much fun.
[08:23] <Gargoyle> Firmware update and recalibrate has reduced min duty cycle from 50% to 20%.
[08:23] <Gargoyle> Not silent, but a lot better! :-)
[08:42] <diplo> Firmware update ftw
[08:55] <diplo> I saw a fair few people on Swanage beach doing it last weekend
[08:59] <Laney> i'm actually a bit cold this morning :(
[08:59] <Laney> summerrrrrrrr don't leave meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> first day of september, autumn is here...
[09:13]  * Laney sowed some seeds at the allotment yesterday
[09:14] <foobarry> pumpkin?
[09:14] <foobarry> discontent?
[09:15] <Laney> spinach, swede, turnip
[09:15] <Laney> SST
[09:15] <Laney> too late for autumn squash, for shame
[10:23] <daftykins> bit nippy here too
[12:15] <diddledan> ello folks
[12:18] <penguin42> hey
[12:33] <daftykins> \o
[12:34] <daftykins> oof trainee in the coffee shop, wrong order taken
[12:35] <penguin42> what did you ask for and what did you end up with?
[12:37] <daftykins> just a double shot edition of what i asked for, bit weird
[12:37] <daftykins> if i have a heart attack in a minute we'll know why :)
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> but now you can reach into and fix pcs without a screwdriver :-)
[13:02] <daftykins> good news here, the house works are making progress so my new windows go in on Monday \o/
[13:03] <daftykins> buuuut the A-frame beam up in the roof is properly nasty looking, so a structural engineer has had to be contacted to judge the condition, but that's on the insurance companies' dime so it's alright :D
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> so.... their report arriving just as the rest of the work is completed will declare the house unfit and it all starts over again...
[13:05] <daftykins> yep! if he says the roof has to come down, all that bedroom insulation will be wasted :P
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> get an rv and live on the open road... :-P
[13:07] <daftykins> nah i like living driving license and vehicle free
[13:08] <zmoylan-pi> do you need a licence for a horse drawn caravan...
[13:10] <diddledan> I've lost track of how many times I've re-run the build for gimp the past couple of days
[13:10] <diddledan> my ISP must love the bandwidth I've been consuming by keeping on redownloading
[13:11] <daftykins> is it not using some kinda tools where you can keep reusing, or was it due to updating?
[13:12] <diddledan> the snapcraft build that allows for caching isn't working for me (SNAPCRAFT_CONTAINER_BUILDS=1)
[13:13] <diddledan> so it redownloads everything from scratch each time I attempt it
[13:14] <daftykins> sounds pants
[13:16] <diddledan> perhaps I should set up an http cache
[13:16] <daftykins> yep with your army of hardware :)
[13:17] <daftykins> i'm reading through my clients' building spec for his London apartment, started looking at Cat6a vs 6 haha, decided it's not worth it though
[13:19] <diddledan> cat6 should be plenty for an apartment. 6a only doubles the potential cable length limit
[13:19] <daftykins> yep, well a bit more
[13:19] <daftykins> my main concern was that it'd be more of a pain to work with, though
[13:19] <diddledan> you don't really need it unless you're going 10GigE
[13:19] <daftykins> bend radius and all that
[13:19] <diddledan> either*
[13:20] <daftykins> yip, and can't really justify it for future proofing either because lul 10GigE in the home within the lifetime of that build... nope
[13:20] <daftykins> at first he was trying to suggest we went wireless everywhere, i shot that down with extreme prejudice immediately :>
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> but wireless is the future!!
[13:21] <daftykins> i sold it to him with just one line "how much do you want to sit and sort out wireless woes?"
[13:30] <diddledan> IT WORKED FINALLY! I have a build that finished
[13:31] <diddledan> that was a real flubber to get working
[13:32] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: ooh i sold the client on the new nokia 3310 for a spare in Spain at last :D so i get to play with one XD
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> i was so tempted to get one but have managed to avoid them so far.  that it can't run java apps is the thing that persuaded me not to get one
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> with java i can add ereader, ssh client, google maps _WITH_ streetview
[13:34] <daftykins> yawn :P
[13:34]  * penguin42 pats an aardvark
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> and it already is running java as it's using opera mini as it's browser, they just decided not to let any other apps run
[13:35] <daftykins> ah har
[13:35] <daftykins> can't imagine what level of browsing you'd attempt to do on that one
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> opera mini is fairly decent.  compresses data server side so also saves data.
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> you end up avoiding the latest all bells and whistles pages but you get the web
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> plus it does rss nicely
[14:50]  * davmor2 watches as the aardvark rolls up into a ball and targets penguin42 repeatedly
[14:51]  * zmoylan-pi wonders wether to dial rspca or rspcp...
[15:02] <penguin42> it seems a reasonably happy aardvark
[15:22] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: how else do you play catch with an aardvark?
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> carefully? :-)
[15:34] <daftykins> do you want ants? because that's how you get them
[15:34] <daftykins> *and* get rid of them :D
[20:15] <penguin42> only problem is that the initrd's are slowly getting bigger (zz had a big jump for no apparent reason) - and that means my /boot is now almost always full on updates