[02:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: whiskermenu should likely recommend mugshot, since that's a default option now I'd think?  However, in Debian mugshot is a sad, lonely puppy.
[06:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: probably as I suspected - bunch of random xfce git things installed - including panel :p
[06:42] <flocculant> I think probably it's time to reset this install :D
[07:30] <flocculant> easier said than done ... 
[07:46] <Unit193> Pretty much nuke /usr/local/ then check `debsums`?
[10:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can we remove all the things!? :D
[10:20] <bluesabre> :)
[10:21] <Unit193> However, we should remove them from 'supported'
[10:21] <bluesabre> We can tidy up debian and sync all the removals
[10:23] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/UZvofiibujcAVIkR8q9y
[10:25] <Unit193> Err.  G'morning, sir.
[10:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: Feel free to go ahead with that :)
[10:42] <Unit193> Done.  I'm sure there's more dead ones there though.
[11:06] <flocculant> Unit193: probably just going to not bother with any of that and just move stuff to the vanilla artful I don't use :p
[11:16] <Unit193> Where's the fun in that? :P
[11:17] <flocculant> :D
[11:18] <flocculant> I did try reverting the git stuff but had that libgarcon-dev issue again ... 
[11:18] <Unit193> Debian bug, known, fixed in svn.
[11:18] <akxwi-dave> flocculant:  agree with you from last nights comment...
[11:19] <akxwi-dave> oh and My internet went live this morning wooo hoo
[11:19] <flocculant> probably not helping my situation with this pa plugin having some random git version either :D
[11:19] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: ack - well I guess we should aim for a blog post on 18th
[11:19] <akxwi-dave> and wierdly i get an extra 5 meg of speed from it
[11:19] <flocculant> and woohoo
[11:20] <Unit193> I should grab svn from garcon and build it for you, I suppose...
[11:20] <flocculant> Unit193: I almost love you :p
[11:20] <Unit193> Some of those words aren't in the right order..
[11:20] <flocculant> :D
[11:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: can probably set up a daily build of the pa plug now
[11:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: oh ok - that'll probably be helpful for at least 1 person :D
[11:23]  * Unit193 likes releases. :>
[11:23] <flocculant> but I probably need to get shot of the various git things anyway - panl, thunar, ind-panel, screenshooter, status notifier
[11:23] <flocculant> pa plugin ... 
[11:24] <flocculant> then start again \o/
[11:24] <flocculant> Unit193: I'd want garcon-dev anyway I think :)
[11:24] <flocculant> bbl
[11:36] <Unit193> in-plug is boring, but sn-plug git is fun.
[17:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: now the dust has settled after the beta - your reason for running it was "if nothing more than as a spot check to make sure we haven't had any breakage this cycle" 
[17:42] <flocculant> and tbh we had 2 people looking who do so regardless of whether there's a milestone, you and Paul 
[17:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: more or less, and if we were lucky, some bug reports that affect only us or a few folks
[17:42] <flocculant> just seems like a lot of hassle for no reward to me 
[17:42] <bluesabre> I think we're the only ones using -gtk-greeter now, and only us and mate (I think) are using lightdm at all
[17:43] <bluesabre> As we fall farther from ubuntu proper, there's going to be more breakage
[17:43] <flocculant> if we had loads of people that actually tested then I could see the reason
[17:43] <bluesabre> yeah
[17:43] <flocculant> mmm
[17:43] <flocculant> anyway - just thought I would say it for the last time this cycle :D
[20:22] <Unit193> flocculant: You're looking at beta testing, people might just try betas and if they hit something then say/report.
[20:24] <Unit193> lightdm (from lightdm) is seeded in: lubuntu-next lubuntu ubuntu-budgie ubuntu-mate ubuntukylin ubuntustudio xubuntu
[20:28] <Unit193> Hrm, I told someone I'd give 'em new garcon..
[20:29] <flocculant> lol
[20:31] <flocculant> Unit193: and possibly - but no way of knowing that I know of
[20:34] <Unit193> I'll have to do another upgrade to artful soon though.
[20:34] <Unit193> ...And rebuild most/all of my archive(s). :3
[20:35] <flocculant> :)
[20:48] <Unit193> I don't suppose you'll want to do a test install of garcon before?
[20:50] <flocculant> I can in the morning assuming you refer to -offtopic 
[20:51] <Unit193> Meant before checking out, but honestly it doesn't really matter as it didn't make it for artful either way.
[20:51] <flocculant> I'll pop back to the other install if you want
[20:52] <flocculant> cos mpd fighting back and I can't be bothered now :D
[20:52] <flocculant> and back
[20:54] <Unit193> Gah, builders are slow today..
[20:55] <flocculant> morning then :p
[20:55] <flocculant> is this the garcon in gtk3 ppa? 
[20:55] <flocculant> and will that then let me install libgarcon-dev?
[20:55] <Unit193> Should.
[20:56] <Unit193> ...Once the builders catch up and finally build it.
[20:56] <flocculant> ok - I'll look first thing then
[20:56] <flocculant> :)
[20:56] <flocculant> assuming then that it'll let me make uninstall 
[20:57] <flocculant> anyway - night and thanks for building that :)
[21:56] <Unit193> Well crap, updating was a bad idea.
[22:01] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/620241 think something in there is evil.
[23:12] <bluesabre> Unit193, what broke?
[23:12] <Unit193> Every single thing is now on the desktop in regards to /dev /sys, etc.
[23:13] <bluesabre> :D
[23:32] <Unit193> thunar too, of course.
[23:33] <Unit193> Waaaaaaait, downgrading *did* help.  Kick out garcon and it's not so bad.
[23:37] <Unit193> ...And re-upgrade that, can't get them back.  Help, bluesabre!
[23:38] <bluesabre> so, garcon breakage?
[23:39] <Unit193> I just upgraded that again, and the issue didn't come back though.
[23:39] <Unit193> And when I downgraded, the issue didn't go away right then.
[23:39] <Unit193> This, this is why I'm not part of QA. :D
[23:39] <bluesabre> Wonky