[00:25] Project daily-hammerhead build #308: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/308/ [00:27] Project ota-push build #946: SUCCESS in 1 min 43 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/946/ [00:29] Thank you to the developers of Telegram. THE GIF support is still missing, and the BOT may not be properly supported. The controls for the BOT are missing. [03:03] Niter was added by: Niter [03:45] @Niter, Welcome [04:22] @delijati, There are some upcoming news from Yunit, just stay tuned :) [04:27] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #113: SUCCESS in 1.5 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/113/ [04:27] Project ota-push build #947: SUCCESS in 0.48 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/947/ [04:27] @delijati, It was removed from Ubuntu Artful Aardvark (to be 17.10) a week or two ago [05:43] @Andreas_Kube, Agreed. GIF support we got a ticket already, you are invited to make a ticket for bot support [07:05] @Kévin, No what do you mean specifically? [07:06] @sorcier777, You would be our guy to develop a push notification server right? 😆 [07:20] Kudos for the new Telegram update! It is great to see basic apps being maintained and updated, no matter the size of the incremental improvement! [07:22] thanks ^^ [07:22] We want to release more often [07:22] but smaller stuff [07:22] I try to give a good example for that ;) [08:05] @Flohack, 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😍 [08:23] Project daily-fp2 build #326: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/326/ [08:24] Project ota-push build #948: SUCCESS in 1 min 6 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/948/ [08:43] E5 Owners! Discuss this with me plz: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/525/bq-e5-vegetahd-change-of-grid-units-scaling [08:51] Hey great community [08:54] quick question; when would it be possible to use apps from F-Droid on the ubuntu phone? Is this a thing? Are there any plans for this? Would a conversion from .apk to something else be feasable? … I don't want to use any proprietary applications on my phone, for sure. So, most of the apps on F-droid would be a good alternative for me to expand the scope of my ubuntu phone. I guess those same app developers would be more in tune with our community [08:54] than say, the developpers from propapps... [08:55] @per_sonne, At least would be easier to support than non-FDroid because no dependency on Google Play Services [08:55] Exactly, my thoughts too [08:57] @Lorxu, No its the same effort. Ubuntu Touch has no dalvik engine at all, plus lots of APIs missing. So the only feasable way will be Anbox https://anbox.io/ but this is only a proof-of-concept. Lots of many unknown problems, like file/media sharing, acces to hardware, no background tasks etc [08:57] The 2 systems are basically not compatible, and this is currently not on the list to get there [08:58] @Flohack, From my knowledge most Android emulators (like the one Sailfish has) only support F-Droid-compatible apps, so it would seem easier. Easier is of course still far from easy, though [08:59] @Flohack, Yeah sure [08:59] @Lorxu, Anbox is in fact no emulator, its like libhybris a compat layer. That makes it so promising, since we would run native device speed [09:00] emulation you can completly forget, this is too slow ;) [09:00] @Flohack, This. [09:01] Here's the deal; the place I work at wants me to use google authenticator to verify my VPN connection. For that, I must use an android phone with google services. I told them nope. [09:02] Yeah its a container like the android layer already is now. The same for Apps [09:02] "I don't use android" [09:02] "Oh, you have an iphone, then?" [09:02] "Nope." [09:02] "Windows?" [09:02] "nope." [09:02] did you try this? https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.ubuntu-authenticator [09:02] works for my google account very neatly ;) [09:02] I didn't know it existed [09:02] let me check [09:03] we have lot of good stuff [09:03] when I search "authenticator" in the store, I came up with nothing [09:03] weird... [09:03] openstore? [09:03] yes [09:03] or canonical store [09:03] both [09:04] its always worth trying both [09:04] ah ok well then [09:04] I still have the canonical image on my production phone [09:04] I must upgrade to ubports... [09:04] Well [09:04] I think you just might have fixed my problem [09:05] I will love to rub this on my companies nose. [09:05] *pshaw* [09:05] hahaha [09:05] I had a surreal discussion last week [09:05] Thanks to @mzanetti (who is not in this group its sad) [09:06] Give him Kudos ;) [09:06] "You must use android! Everybody does!" [09:06] "No I don't!" [09:06] yeah you MUST.USE.IT. [09:06] sounds like kinky psychodrug ad [09:06] OBEY [09:06] CONSUME [09:06] REPRODUCE [09:07] ok, that last part, sure, no problem [09:07] 😆 [09:07] @per_sonne, AFAIK that's just OTP and any OTP app should work. Unfortunately many people don't know when they are using something standard-compliant that's easily replaced... [09:07] I'm quite sure tha IT guys will refuse the Ubuntu app because it's not listed on their compliance standards [09:07] @Lorxu, Even Facbook uses XMPP in their chat, and it was possible to use normal Jabber clients until recently. But ofc nobody knows that ;) [09:08] what? Its a damn authenticator token only, you can get acces or you can´t. The app does not connect to the VPN 😆 [09:08] Send them to me, I will explain [09:08] It's a very large, complicated company. [09:08] florian@ubports.com [09:08] I know mine is, too [09:09] @per_sonne, That would honestly be retarded especially because OTP is a standard, you comply with it or you don't, and whitelisting proprietary apps for it?... [09:09] they have a soviet-level paranoia and internal procedures standards [09:09] @per_sonne, And then get hacked. Its always the same, people think a bigger thing is better [09:09] @per_sonne, And this is why big companies don't get shit done [09:09] Yep. [09:09] Android is big so it must be safe lol [09:09] @Lorxu, Btw just curious, is there any documentation or library on how this otp apps are constructed? [09:09] They make me use windows on the company's laptop [09:10] yeah I also use Windows but its ok. In fact I love Visual Studiox D [09:10] wut? [09:10] Every day, when I get home, I have to scrub thourougly wash out the disgust with myself [09:10] @bhushanshah, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_password gives a good introduction, many many libraries around [09:11] @per_sonne, My internship wants us to bring our own laptops. So hope they like me using Linux. If not, they'll have to supply me a device :P [09:11] they have like two people who were allowed to use Red Hat because they insisted and are "top dogs" [09:12] everybody else gets windows shoved down their throats [09:12] *shivers* [09:12] @per_sonne, https://twitter.com/SylvieLorxu/status/902909820549947393 [09:13] Yeah, I also need a good tutorial on how to deal with UEFI; I have two pc's that need to remove crap and I'm still fighting. [09:13] i count myself lucky for "only" being forced to use win7 [09:14] @per_sonne, I ended up going with Fedora's auto formatting which actually worked fine it seems [09:14] hmmmm [09:14] @Lorxu, I had to re-install win10 the other day on work laptop and that darn cortana thing started talking to me to guide me through the install. Like wtf! [09:15] @DanChapman, I played the old Halo game at a friend who had Windows 10 for a bit, the game set Cortana off and made her Google for fish hats or so (even though that was not what was said) [09:16] @Lorxu, Oh... You use KDE plasma... ☺️ [09:16] I... really prefer my life without that crap. Always listening devices are scary [09:16] totally agree [09:16] @Lorxu, and in most cases useless... [09:16] @bhushanshah, Yeah, used i3 for a long while, decided to try Plasma 5 again on this new device, runs so awesomely [09:17] I was really into trying Cortana but I just couldn't find a proper use case for it [09:17] It's basically a route to Bing [09:18] I don't even want to think of what those always-listening things know of me by now >.> [09:18] Forget all this voice control. It does not really save any time or brings comfort [09:18] Its just big pile of BS [09:18] @vanyasem, It's simpler and easier to just type the entry in DDG and get the same result [09:18] yep [09:18] @vanyasem, If someone else has it enabled and you're voice chatting with them, you can just say "Cortana, shut down the computer" [09:18] @Flohack, But, but.... it can tell you loads of facts about halo! [09:18] @vanyasem, The moment when Bing brings better results than Bing where billions get invested 😆 [09:19] sry ddg [09:19] @Lorxu, if someone else has it enabled I refuse to voice chat with them 🙈 [09:19] @Flohack, Well, better than Google [09:20] 😆 Im not sure about that but ok ^^ [09:20] I searched "Linux cp show progress" on Google recently (new device, didn't switch search engine yet) and it came up with a "child pornogrophy is wrong" warning. Like, thanks, Google, now I'm on another watchlist? [09:21] 😳 [09:21] It's rather scary to think that people want to use algorithms to figure out everything yet Google calls me a pedophile just because I look up something Linux related? Lol... [09:22] I don't use google services expect YouTube, so I'm not that much concerned [09:22] (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/Oqz9a001/file_334.jpg Oh not new device, but yeah... [09:23] @Lorxu, Is that thing gapps-free? [09:23] @vanyasem, Yup, proudly so [09:24] could you pm me a list of apps you use (maybe screenshot of f-droid installed or home screen)? [09:24] i'm having a hard time with it [09:31] @Lorxu, Pedophiles can use Linux too. It's meant for everyone. [09:32] @per_sonne, Heh, yeah, but there's no relationship between the two (that I'm aware of) :P [09:32] Correlation is not causation. [09:38] @per_sonne, Big Data is also big headache about what is the right theory. Human mankind starts trusting in statistics more than intuition [09:41] Big Data is literally throwing (incomplete) data on a heap and trying to find something. Like, no, driving bicycles doesn't mean you like chocolate ice cream. I just can't even. Why do people think this is the right way to go when science has proven to work the way it does and not this way so often... [09:42] Every time someone hypes "big data" I want to punch them in the face [09:49] I reach for my pistol. [10:40] @Lorxu, Do it! [11:03] Good news: i just got an dev environment working on my Debian and now I will back up my oneplus and flash ubports ☺️ [11:03] ^^ [11:03] cool [11:04] One thing worries me. Why do I need an account for notifications? [11:08] @Andre Büsgen, They go through a central server and that way it knows what are your notifications. Also that server is probably offline by now [11:10] Okay so it isn't just a wakeup call [11:14] Do you use notifications? Or do you open every app to see whether someone sent you a message? [11:14] Florian. I'm a E5 user and selecting smaller icons would be great! [11:15] @Andre Büsgen, Basically we have a push server until end of year running [11:15] Telegram cloud server send notifications there, and they are queued until your device fetches them [11:16] this works by sending a hash to telegram under which they can be retrieved (together with the OAuth from Ubuntu one) [11:16] But unfortunately Telegram sends it as clear text [11:16] so theoretically if you compromise the push server you can read a lot of stuff ^^ [11:17] So my messages get stored at the server? Would it be possible to have this server running as local instance on your phone? [11:17] Even if it drains battery [11:18] would yes, but telegram is not talking with us. When the server dies first of all the notifications are gone. [11:18] The next thing is to spin up a periodic login to Telegram, to manually poll it [11:18] But it consumes a lot of battery since you need to follow the API protocol which involves connections to up to 5 datacenters [11:19] some crypto stuff and then finally we can retrieve unread message count [11:19] doing this every 5 minutes is a problem [11:19] Doesn't seem very efficient😂 [11:20] there is a reason why google & apple made very very very efficient push protocols [11:20] Damn backup takes years [11:21] I should consider deleting some stuff [11:35] How is it possible that copying files to and from android is still so bad? [11:36] Adb is the only way to get these files transferred fast [11:43] I am using rsync over ssh if you do the server method in mdt? [11:43] or you are still on Android? [11:48] I'm still on android [11:49] I'm preparing for flashing [11:49] oki [11:56] (Photo, 960x890) https://irc.ubports.com/lGNumVaS/file_336.jpg [11:57] Maybe tomorrow the backup will be complete 😂 [12:05] Its time to pray I start flashing now [12:06] hehe good luck [12:55] Project daily-mako build #101: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/101/ [12:56] Project ota-push build #949: SUCCESS in 49 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/949/ [12:58] @Flohack, Good job, thanks [13:14] flashing was successful (after 2nd attempt) [13:14] doesn't telegram for ubports support supergroups yet? [13:17] nope, it was discussed earlier today [13:17] @bastos777, . [13:20] Supergroups: I just started to compile API-36, one before supergroup support will become real [13:21] New branch for that: https://github.com/ubports/libqtelegram-aseman-edition/tree/ubports-API36 [13:36] 👏 👏👏 [13:37] @Flohack, Yay! 🎉 [13:44] Hi, how can I use and install chrome or chromium in Meizu Pro 5 [13:44] Or select web desktop in browser? [14:03] mo7am96 was added by: mo7am96 [14:13] @mo7am96, Welcome Mohammad! [14:14] @Jaume, Default browser uses Chromium engine, so you're using it already [14:14] Useragent is a problem, but webapps with it modified usually work as expected [14:22] Ok. How can I change? [14:26] And why can I get the group in Meizu 's telegram? [14:28] For a short term fix you could edit the UA in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Web/UserAgent02.qml [14:30] @Jaume, Because supergroups aren't supported yet but work is in progress. You need to use the web telegram client for now [14:31] 👍 [14:31] Wow pressure is rising everyday for that supergroups ;) [14:36] Why don't I have access to SD Card? [14:38] @Flohack, Is there any way we could charge a dollar for every message? [14:41] @vanyasem, That is a great idea. (Though I would be down a dollar, honestly if the money goes to UBports development that isn't a bad thing) [14:42] @blendergeek0, You can always support UBports at Patreon [14:42] Already done. [14:43] is the station dock still powered by a RPi [14:43] Have I to install anything to recieve your updates? [14:46] @samzn, I believe so. And I've been thinking about that cursed device this morning. Specifically whether enough phones support high quality hardware video encode that we could take the load off the CPU. [14:46]