| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> We don't support all of the devices that Canonical or community porters did. | 00:00 |
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| pat92 | Aaaaaa, the 'otter' links are broken, hence why I got here. I think I'm skrewed w/ this KF gen 1 | 00:02 |
| tgBot | <Pete> Oh you guys are talking about the Kindle fire | 00:03 |
| pat92 | Yes | 00:04 |
| pat92 | on the xda-dev site the download link http://goo.im/devs/Hashcode/otter/ub...0227-otter.zip is broken n I can't find otter zip anywhere | 00:05 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> In any case, it'd probably be a very old version | 00:06 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Not much good anyway | 00:06 |
| pat92 | any ideas where I could find a more up to date 'otter'? | 00:07 |
| tgBot | <mateosalta> yeah, looks like nothing was working on it when he released anyway, no wifi, no sound... | 00:07 |
| pat92 | familiar wair I could get a more up to date 'otter'? | 00:09 |
| tgBot | <mateosalta> with that much ram, I doubt anyone would put time into it | 00:09 |
| pat92 | very good, thanks for your help.....chow | 00:11 |
| tgBot | <mateosalta> well, no luck finding the orginal zip here either π | 00:13 |
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| tgBot | <xreactx> Question, how do I give a port unhindered root privileges | 02:23 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> A port? | 02:23 |
| tgBot | <xreactx> I'm trying to sync to a repo but I'm getting errors saying I don't have root privileges | 02:25 |
| tgBot | <xreactx> Sudo su not allowing me to get past the error | 02:25 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Do you have a more specific error? | 02:26 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Maybe pastebin the log? | 02:26 |
| tgBot | <xreactx> Waiting for it to pop up | 02:34 |
| tgBot | <xreactx> This isn't for UBports, it's for SFOS | 02:34 |
| tgBot | <xreactx> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/RpGmGIUI/file_345.jpg | 02:35 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I have no idea what any of those errors are. | 02:35 |
| tgBot | <xreactx> This group has better response times | 02:35 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yep, that build system is something I've never seen. | 02:36 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Maybe @NotKit has an idea, but he's probably in the SFOS group too | 02:36 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> And asleep | 02:36 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> @UniversalSuperBox have any of you guys ever screen recorded yourselves working on a port? I know it'd be long and drawn out but still kind of cool. | 02:37 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @kz6fittycent, You know, we had that exact discussion today after the Community Update ended. We haven't done it yet, but it's something we want to do. | 02:38 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> It's actually about half of the reason for me buying the new mic. | 02:38 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> I missed the update, but will watch it later. β¦ If you record it, and need some help editing it down, I am willing to do so. | 02:39 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Awesome. I'm writing up the notes from the Update, so if you'd prefer to read rather than watch, we'll have you covered | 02:39 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> I am a visual guy...reading helps too, but if I see someone working, I typically get it faster. I know there are others like me... | 02:40 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Totally get that. | 02:40 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> So I get to "follow" along. Plus, many of the written guides miss things. The little things that devs assume others might know OR they just get overlooked. | 02:40 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> if a video was out there from start to end, even if it were divided into segments 1, 2, 3, 4 that'd be awesome. β¦ Solus is doing that to help people start packaging apps for their OS and it's great. | 02:41 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> they include the written guides and show you step by step how to build a package. So, you're getting both at once | 02:42 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> (Photo, 1024x802) https://irc.ubports.com/S0VP9V06/file_347.jpg I might be way ahead of you on that | 02:43 |
| tgBot | <DIVYANSH747> @UniversalSuperBox, Can i use this guide for porting Ubuntu touch os?will this work? | 02:45 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlPnHjUBpJ8 | 02:45 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> @UniversalSuperBox above is one of their videos for building apps in Solus... | 02:46 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @DIVYANSH747, Well, that will definitely be the guide for 16.04. It was revealed in today's Q&A that it might work for 15.04 (current) images too, but we need a lot more investigation | 02:46 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> granted, porting is MUCH more involved than packaging existing applications in most cases... | 02:46 |
| tgBot | <DIVYANSH747> @UniversalSuperBox, For 16.04 which android ver base is required? | 02:47 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @DIVYANSH747, Halium. LOS-12.1 or 14.1 | 02:47 |
| tgBot | <DIVYANSH747> @UniversalSuperBox, Thnx bro ;) | 02:48 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> A successful port also means you get to run Plasma Mobile and many more (coming soon) | 02:48 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> @UniversalSuperBox, I'd assume the reverse is true as well | 02:57 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> Regarding their port for the 5x | 02:57 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @kz6fittycent, Halium is the common Android compatibility layer for a buncha GNU/Linux based mobile OS's now. | 02:57 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> It's not ready for prime-time yet, but neither are the OS's that implement it for the most part. | 02:58 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> True | 02:59 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Especially not our 16.04. | 02:59 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> :P | 02:59 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> @UniversalSuperBox, Ba dum tsss | 03:01 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> π | 03:01 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> @UniversalSuperBox, Btw nice idea!! | 03:01 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @bhushanshah, d'aw | 03:08 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> thanks | 03:08 |
| tgBot | <Vijay> @UniversalSuperBox, Do you use windows? And when are planning to release these videos? | 03:33 |
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| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> Fwd from nfsprodriver: Filemanager fixes | 04:48 |
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| tgBot | <neothethird> @nfsprodriver, Looks awesome! Great work! | 06:58 |
| tgBot | <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> @nfsprodriver, Great!!!! ππΌππΌππΌπ Thankss! π | 08:02 |
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| tgBot | <Flohack> @nfsprodriver, Very nice! We need to browse the open tickets for filemanager, probably we can close a few of them now ;) | 08:25 |
| tgBot | <SwizzlaKalongie> @nfsprodriver, Hi Bjarne, is there any way to select multiple files without a mouse? like a ctrl + select behaviour? | 08:27 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Vijay, It's VS Code, proprietary smart text editor from Microsoft. It's cross platform. So no, it's now Windows. | 08:28 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @nfsprodriver, It's 5 minutes and 300 mb | 08:29 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, VS Code is great. | 08:35 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> No, it's not | 08:35 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> It's non-free software from Microsoft, I refuse to install it | 08:36 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Atom is great. | 08:36 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> @vanyasem, +1000 | 08:41 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> plus they have a kick-ass commercial atom.io | 08:42 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> oh no, it's no longer featured | 08:42 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aEiVwBAdk | 08:43 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> vim anyone? | 08:44 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> :P | 08:44 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, It does not simply work out to use only free software if you are in a competing market. I pay for non-free software to reach my goal faster, thats the deal. I loose the openess of course. But I simply could not get a single contract right if I used C# only on the command line. I need Visual Studio, it has a great productivity, and I am willing to pay for that as well. It helps cutting delivery times and increase the quality with lot of | 08:45 |
| tgBot | automation that no other IDE has. | 08:45 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @vanyasem, 281.1 MB | 08:47 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Flohack, You can use Rider from jetbrains for C# development, that's still `partly` non-free, but works under GNU+Linux and has more trust in it | 08:47 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> The thing is, I am also bound to Windows as target platform :P | 08:47 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> I used to develop .net apps for Windows using Rider under GNU+Linux | 08:48 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Technically only our GUI client requires windows the rest could be on a Linux server hmm | 08:48 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Still I can only take what IT department gives me ;) | 08:49 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @vanyasem, You can even run it if it doesn't make any system calls | 08:49 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> VS Code is the best text editor i've ever used. I like that the source is open and free for inspection and if i could be arsed I could build it myself. Yes the fact they ship the binary under a EULA is annoying but it's a compromise i don't actually mind if it means i can get stuff done. | 08:49 |
| tgBot | <garrogarri> @bhushanshah, Emacs here! | 09:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @DanChapman, Yeah thats the thing, the productivity guys at MS do a great job, and its hard for others to keep up. | 09:24 |
| tgBot | <delijati> @bhushanshah, +1 | 09:25 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Actually, VS Code is literally Atom but reskinned and under MIT | 09:25 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> There's no real difference between Atom and VS Code except that GitHub tracks Atom users through Google and Microsoft tracks VS Code users their own way | 09:26 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> @Lorxu, evidence? | 09:29 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> A quick look at the source code shows the exact same Chromium base, but it's been a while since I had this discussion so I'd need to look at it better again | 09:30 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @neothethird, It is on YouTube | 09:30 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @vanyasem, I hope you disabled Google Analytics in it? :P | 09:31 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Lorxu, Ah, turns out they only use Electron but started back when Atom and Electron weren't two different projects but a single thing, so they probably still have some Atom code in there: https://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/04/30/microsofts-cross-platform-visual-studio-code-app-is-based-on-githubs-atom-editor/ | 09:35 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Rather weird to make the code MIT but binaries proprietary but hey that's Microsoft for you | 09:37 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> @Lorxu, Thanks! AFAIK a fair amount of the vscode already existed before atom and was used for the "monaco" text editor on windows azure. I didn't know they had based vscode on atom though. Google gave me luck. It's all "why use X over Y" | 09:42 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> I am aware of Pockit but filing everything I read with Pocket doesn't appeal. Anything in UT allow for offline reading (newspapers etc)? | 09:42 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> Search for "newsagents" in unav? π | 09:43 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @DanChapman, Interesting, never heard of that before | 09:43 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @DanChapman, π | 09:44 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> @Stereofont apart from that i have no idea π | 09:44 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Maybe some RSS reader? No clue if UT has any | 09:45 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> (Photo, 1280x829) https://irc.ubports.com/DXAqHbLh/file_349.jpg Btw @Flohack, this is my Weblate config for adding new languages which works fine (hosted instance) | 10:03 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> She lives on 15.04 once again!!! π | 10:29 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/fj418Msw/file_351.png | 10:29 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/jG0910RG/file_353.png | 10:29 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/7zb4hmiN/file_355.png | 10:29 |
| tgBot | usharn was added by: usharn | 10:47 |
| tgBot | <delijati> @DanChapman (party) | 10:49 |
| tgBot | <Eranuzan> Yay! πππ i love Dekko! | 10:57 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> Wooooo | 10:58 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> Woooooooooooooooo | 10:58 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Lw7qNlq0/file_356.mp4 | 10:59 |
| tgBot | <kristijantkalec> @DanChapman is it ready to upgrade? | 11:04 |
| tgBot | <Field10pg> @kristijantkalec, πππππ | 11:05 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> no not yet. That's the first time i've got it running completely with all plugins loaded on 15.04. It also needs to be launched from the command line . Trying to figure out why ubuntu-app-launch doesn't like it atm. | 11:07 |
| tgBot | <kristijantkalec> Ok, but it's going well. Nice to hear. Thanks π | 11:08 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> also note it won't be an upgrade but a new install. There is no upgrade path unfortunately. | 11:09 |
| tgBot | <kristijantkalec> Fine with me π | 11:11 |
| tgBot | <Field10pg> @DanChapman, Very nice and good job. We will wait | 11:14 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @vanyasem, bump @Flohack | 11:23 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> translated about 20% of Dekko strings to Russian | 11:38 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> @vanyasem, Awesome! thanks π | 11:38 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @Vijay, 1. No, that's VS Code β¦ 2. When they are ready | 12:00 |
| tgBot | <bastos777> @DanChapman, Wow! Looks great. Thanks! Can't wait installing and using it. Have my mobile email access with IMAP anyway so new install will be no problem for me... | 12:13 |
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| tgBot | <neothethird> observation of the day: hotspots on ubuntu touch are pretty solid | 12:56 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> this makes me happy | 12:56 |
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| tgBot | Tariq Abu-Hantash was added by: Tariq Abu-Hantash | 14:17 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> Created a pull request of my filemanager changes. | 14:22 |
| tgBot | <bastos777> @neothethird, Can confirm. Used hotspot in hone country (Germany) and in France roaming mode. Has been reliable, stable and with acceptable battery usage. Will try next week in Romania... | 14:26 |
| tgBot | <JeffiG> @DanChapman, I've translated system-settings 100% but other apps like calendar and orher, I still can not translate, | 15:13 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> Hi, icloud calendars, contacts and mail run well and can be sync with your Ubuntu version? Can't it install yet in my Meizu.π | 15:21 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> Fwd from nfsprodriver: If you want to try it out. | 15:24 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/eP1Ia2uP/file_357.click | 15:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Jaume, Calendars use CalDAV, Contacts use CardDAV and Mail uses SMTP, IMAP/POP3 | 15:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> as long as it's implemented in iCloud β it should work | 15:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Fwd from Lorxu: AFAIK that's just OTP and any OTP app should work. Unfortunately many people don't know when they are using something standard-compliant that's easily replaced... | 15:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @vanyasem, And Cloud Drive probably has WebDAV support, but never used it in UBports | 15:25 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> @vanyasem, Ok. But in Canonical version can't sync. It's one more point to install soon as I can. | 15:42 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> If Apple screwed the implementation β there's not much we can do about it tbh | 15:43 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> I'm not sure exactly what's the case here, as I don't use iCloud myself, but I will sure take a look at it later | 15:44 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> @nfsprodriver, Outstanding! | 15:48 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> Ok. While you get the two password, should be used., but with Dekko app the mail is break.contacts β¦ The point is that I don't want to get the sync google calendars and contacts and with google. To get google sync I will stay in Android. But with Ubuntu, I suppose that you can choose to sync with google, outlook or icloud. | 15:49 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> For Dekko and icloud you need to disable dekko using the `ID` imap extension. Look in Settings -> Incoming Server -> Server Capabilities and switch off the ID extension. Then restart and emails should now sync. iCloud is pretty broken and won't respond if you issue the ID command | 15:49 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> if you can't access that settings screen then you can add `imap.extension.blacklist=ID` to that accounts settings group in ~/.config/dekko.dekkoproject/dekko.dekkoproject.conf | 15:51 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> In Android there are two apps that get an excellent sync. The develouper is 'dmfs Gmbh' | 15:51 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Jaume, You can choose what to use on every platform. I use Android without Gapps at all and I have my own Cloud server. | 15:52 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> π I try | 15:52 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> icloud syncing outside of Apple products requires some hackery. It's doable but you'll have to dig into some config files on your Mac and impetus input them into whatever config file on whatever email or calendar program you're using | 15:52 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @kz6fittycent, agreed, apple refuses to implement the standarts properly, so things tend to break | 15:52 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> I had to do so on my grandfather's Ubuntu machine to get calendar sync | 15:53 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @vanyasem, but it's not impossible, as it still uses same protocols | 15:53 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> icloud email works fine outside of apple products. After all it's just dovecot with apple extensions put on top. | 15:53 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> I got it all working for him and working properly | 15:54 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> @DanChapman, I'm referring to the ability to sync ical and there have been some changes recently with their 2 factor that can hose your config | 15:55 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> I hate Apple | 15:55 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> ah ok | 15:55 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> @kz6fittycent, I think your 'Apple's love' is like my feelings to google. | 15:57 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> I hate both | 15:57 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Is that any better for you? | 15:57 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> I don't like any of them | 15:57 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> Well, an Ubuntu account like iCloud or Outlook. To work with LibreOffice. | 15:59 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> @DanChapman, Thanks you a lot!! I get iCloud mail. β¦ π β¦ At the moment, how can I sync contacts and calendars? | 16:05 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Fwd from vanyasem: Calendars use CalDAV, Contacts use CardDAV and Mail uses SMTP, IMAP/POP3 | 16:11 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Fwd from vanyasem: as long as they are properly implemented in iCloud β everything should work fine | 16:11 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> Ok. But which app in Ubuntu store I can get the CalDav and CardDav? | 16:16 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> I look for and don't find any π | 16:17 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> You can use sync-evolution for that. It's CLI based though. But you will be able to view in the default contacts/calendar apps Take a look at this script as an example https://gist.github.com/tcarrondo/c932750928c83310fd84f8376ee17f30 | 16:20 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Jaume, It's a protocol, you need an implementation | 16:37 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> You can't download a protocol, it just makes no sense | 16:38 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> @DanChapman, How can I install that in Ubuntu Touch? | 16:50 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> @vanyasem, I'm sorry. Don't understand the 'no sense'. | 16:51 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> well, I suppose when I will install the UBports version, then it will be better. | 16:53 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Jaume, Can you install Wi-Fi? Or you install a router that supports wireless Wi-Fi protocol? Think about it man. | 16:55 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> But at the moment it's very good. And if Ubuntu Touch would have the same mobile's operators like Android, with the free phones, Ubuntu get more people. | 16:56 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> You're really confused and I'm not sure I'm patient enough to explain why | 16:57 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> @vanyasem, ok. Now I understand. Thanks. | 16:57 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> My apologize, my english is so bad. I practice. | 16:58 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> It's ok | 16:58 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Fwd from Animals on drugs: ``` _________________________________________ β¦ / Cheer Up! Things are getting worse at a \ β¦ \ slower rate. / β¦ ----------------------------------------- β¦ \ β¦ \ .... β¦ . ........ β¦ . . β¦ . . β¦ ....... ......... β¦ .............................. β¦ Elephant inside ASCII snake``` | 17:10 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Is the spam needed | 17:15 |
| tgBot | <kz6fittycent> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NRlJjt0I/file_358.mp4 | 17:22 |
| tgBot | FreeInside_fr was added by: FreeInside_fr | 18:04 |
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| tgBot | <Flohack> Would this be interesting for people? https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/87 | 18:07 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Lorxu for example | 18:07 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> While it is surely better-quality crypto, I'd urge against it for several reasons | 18:08 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> 1. OTR is not multi-device friendly. Axolotl or an alternative implementation of it is much better β¦ 2. It's not compatible with every other Telegram client, not very useful unfortunately :( | 18:09 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> If you do it, then at least grab something like Axolotl/OMEMO? | 18:10 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> It'd be more worth our time to get an app with OTR or Whisper methinks | 18:10 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Yeah I know that this is then a unique feature, but since Telegram is open-source, maybe someone would fork the official client, and you can give this to friends. | 18:10 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @UniversalSuperBox Riot :P | 18:11 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Instead of implementing it when the server doesn't support it | 18:11 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> They have their own version of Axolotl | 18:11 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @UniversalSuperBox, Server doesn't matter for E2E crypto | 18:11 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> s/server/other clients/ | 18:11 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Flohack, Sure, but how useful is that? If you go that route you may as well just get your friend to install Riot or some XMPP client | 18:12 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, I'd mark it wontfix, out of scope. | 18:13 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> And @Lorxu the current Telegram implementation is also not multi-device-capable. From my testing its even worse, when you log in with multiple clients and you go secret chats, the last client which gets online/is active will eat all new messages from the server and then discard them, since the crypto fails. To use the official clients you *must* stick to one secret-chat-enabled device only | 18:13 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Their current crypto is a joke | 18:13 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> It's more of a marketing thing than an actual feature | 18:13 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> yes | 18:13 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> But OTP will not make that better | 18:13 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Axolotl is multi-device | 18:14 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> And has libraries, the Riot team has their own library for it too I believe | 18:14 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Okay. This might sound stupid... But can Riot and Tensor chat with each other with all features? I don't really understand the Matrix network. | 18:15 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Yeah sure | 18:15 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> It's like XMPP | 18:16 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> As long as they both implement it it's fine | 18:16 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> To be honest I dont trust multi-device-capable crypto ;) | 18:16 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I trust how Signal does it. | 18:16 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> There are a number of problems and they all try to defeat them, but probably could fail | 18:16 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Signal uses Axolotl (now called Signal), which has been audited a lot and passed them all | 18:17 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> You need to transfer your keys by QR code to read your messages | 18:17 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> On Riot each device has its own key, but the chat history gets its own derived key which can be shared since a recent desktop version | 18:18 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Should be safe, but yeah, every feature adds complexity so I see where @Flohack is coming from | 18:18 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Is Signal having full deniability? | 18:18 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Nothing has full deniability | 18:18 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @Flohack, They keep a log of when you joined. | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> That is all | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> No its more like if old messages can be proven to come from a certain user | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @UniversalSuperBox, Well, and Google has a log of when you receive a message | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Right | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> And they don't have a client without GApps | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Flohack, I think it's all "plausible deniability" because the messages don't get signed | 18:20 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Let's just use GPG encrypted SMS! That can't go wrong! | 18:20 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Actually PGP would be nice too yes | 18:21 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> In which app? | 18:21 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> GPG has no PFS at all though | 18:21 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> If they get your key, they can decrypt everything ever sent | 18:21 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/fSe0qaHf/file_360.png | 18:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Ok this will never happen π | 18:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Nobody can follow Bart & his friends | 18:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, Dekko for example @DanChapman :P | 18:25 |
| tgBot | <delijati> i would be hppy if we could get some more devs to work on https://github.com/janimo/textsecure-qml | 18:25 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @delijati, Some more means more than zero π | 18:25 |
| tgBot | <delijati> exaclty ;) | 18:26 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Also Go is not a good language to choose if you want a wide range of developers to contribute | 18:26 |
| tgBot | <delijati> i droped it too as the whole setup go + docker was way to fat to get started | 18:27 |
| tgBot | <delijati> seriously i can always recommend python + qml you only need qmlscene thats it everything else comes from ubuntu deps itself ... | 18:27 |
| tgBot | * delijati off movie time :) | 18:28 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> happy popcorn | 18:29 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, Well also read this, some of the stuff is probably still not fixed π https://www.nccgroup.trust/us/our-research/matrix-olm-cryptographic-review/ | 18:30 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> ah sry wrong quote | 18:30 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Its about Matrix | 18:30 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> And compare with this report: https://www.nccgroup.trust/us/our-research/n1sec-cryptographic-and-protocol-review/ | 18:33 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Sounds interesting. Of course, such multi-client protocols have issues with roundtrip of messages, and in general are slower for the end users. This may also apply to Matrix & Signal | 18:34 |
| tgBot | * JeffiG | 18:44 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Btw @Flohack did you see my Weblate config? | 18:45 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Lorxu, yeah hold on just looking | 18:45 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> And @Flohack, while you're here | 18:45 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Fwd from vanyasem: why is there no SSL certeficate for ci.ubports.com? | 18:45 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> I would like to get some comments on this issue | 18:46 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Lorxu, Need to ask @DanChapman what is the base file, tjhen I can try | 18:47 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, Will have a look. | 18:47 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> ok, thank you a lot! | 18:47 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Flohack, All the repos are public so it's just a matter of looking it up. For https://translate.ubports.com/projects/dekko/ubuntu-ui-plugin/, which has https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/ubuntu-ui-plugin/ as repo behind it, it's obviously i18n/en_GB.ts: https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/ubuntu-ui-plugin/blob/master/i18n/en_GB.ts | 18:49 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> You can use anything as a base, doesn't matter, but English seems most logical because that'd be the first language supported for any new app right? | 18:49 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Lorxu, +1 for English/US as a base | 18:50 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Lorxu, Yeah but I like to talk with people, not make assumptions. | 19:02 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Flohack, It doesn't matter, you just need a file that exists and if it gets deleted it'll break so en_GB.ts is safest if everyone uses that | 19:02 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Lorxu, Hmm strange why it did not work on my first go, it told me I have to turn that off. now its saved & probably works for new languages | 19:06 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Who was they guy who wanted to add a new one? | 19:06 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> good as far as I can say it works now ;) | 19:09 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @JeffiG, This person, not sure if that repo though | 19:11 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> thx | 19:11 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @JeffiG, You can now add a new language yourself, just go into https://translate.ubports.com/projects/dekko/ubuntu-ui-plugin/ click on tools, and find the start a new translation entry :) | 19:12 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, This server is not in the digitalocean account where I got access, shame on us, while I am infrastructure, I cant access all infrastructure still ;) | 19:13 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Need to ping @mariogrip for that question... | 19:13 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> the system-image server had some problem fetching images using https, so had to disable it | 19:15 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> also, need to give you access @Flohack sorry about that | 19:16 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> @Flohack, patches welcome π | 19:16 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @mariogrip, np I wouldnt know it, enable https and break everything ^^ | 19:16 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> so its good to speak | 19:16 |
| tgBot | <JeffiG> @Flohack, Thank U | 19:18 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Flohack, Well, as soon as you tested it, time to do it for every single repo? ;) | 19:18 |
| tgBot | <DanChapman> @Flohack, I already added albanian, but good to know that i don't need to manually do it anymore π | 19:18 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Lorxu, For the PO repos it works already... | 19:18 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> should work | 19:18 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> an I need time to add *ALL* core apps to weblate soon... | 19:19 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> As the AsteroidOS Weblate maintainer, I know your pain | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> (Photo, 1280x368) https://irc.ubports.com/QaPWdWso/file_362.jpg | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @vanyasem, this happened to me several times today | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @vanyasem, Anything specific causing it? Or just randomly? | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> What did you do π | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> it happens randomly when I try to save a translation | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> in 3 diff browsers | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Firefox, Epiphany and Chromium | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> yeah its a server problem with Db locking | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> the translation by itself is being saved though | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> I did not find it why and where but I am no expert with Django | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> yeah its saved immediately but then the server does some lockwait and yeah | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> okay, I just wanted to make sure it's a known problem :) | 19:25 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> not a big deal tho, I can just refresh the page and it's there immediately | 19:25 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> is OTA-2 there yet? | 19:26 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> The thing is, we had a cronjob as root, which modified the git repos, then www-data could not work with them. But this was another error msgs I assume | 19:26 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @mariogrip OTA-2 is in the air! | 19:26 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> noooo? haha | 19:26 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> I dunno yet myself being hyped | 19:27 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> I currently have 16.04 installed | 19:27 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> so I'm hyped to install something working π | 19:27 |
| tgBot | Artem K. was added by: Artem K. | 19:29 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Artem K., Welcome Artem! | 19:30 |
| tgBot | <Artem K.> Hi, all! I want xiaomi max 2 with ubuntu touch on board. Ready to help with money, symbolically of course) | 19:33 |
| tgBot | <Artem K.> Speak, any, russia? | 19:34 |
| tgBot | <Artem K.> ) | 19:34 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> https://forums.ubports.com/topic/206/will-you-port-to-device-x | 19:34 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Artem K., The official language of this Supergroup is English | 19:34 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Π₯ΠΎΡΠ΅ΡΡ ΡΡΡΡΠΊΠΈΠΉ β Π² ΠΠ‘ ΠΏΠΈΡΠΈ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΡ-ΡΠΎ ΠΈΠ· Π½Π°Ρ ) | 19:35 |
| tgBot | <Artem K.> Ok) will learn English) | 19:36 |
| tgBot | <shekavu> but if we ask about porting... | 19:39 |
| tgBot | <shekavu> where can i find the sources for other (older) supported devices like you have for the fairphone 2 (https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Fairphone-2-Developer-Information)? β¦ Are there other repos? I'm looking for these for the bq devices? | 19:39 |
| tgBot | <shinyhairsmylifeambition> can't watch that file manager fixes video. Stops at 280MB. Anyone's got a youtube link? | 19:54 |
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| tgBot | <per_sonne> @Flohack, ...what?... | 20:11 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @per_sonne, it was discussed in the last community update | 20:12 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> https://youtu.be/MGvo5sGEHmU | 20:12 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @kz6fittycent, Good point | 20:28 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, In summary, Telegram sends notifications to Canonical server, which keeps them for the phones to pull | 20:34 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Rumors have it that Canonical had to actually pay for that a 5-figured number of β¬ | 20:34 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> and that's why I sometimes get no notifications or very late? | 20:34 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, No this are other reasons | 20:34 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> @Flohack, ...for one server?... | 20:34 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> the basic system works, but there are cases where the connection to the server drops or the token is wrong or idk | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> would it be feasable to have a community-run server for that? | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, No, for Telegram implementing a special protocol just for Ubuntu Touch | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, Not if Telegram does not want to do it. | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> And why should they | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> why would they not want it? | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, too few users | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> only 2000 or so against millions on Android & iPhone ^^ | 20:36 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> so, everyone must surrender to Google / Android allmighty monopoly and go home? | 20:36 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, Well what should I say? There is a market law of demand & supply | 20:36 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> That's the same argument people use with me to switch me to Whatsapp | 20:36 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Its a brutal world out there yes ^^ | 20:36 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> in that case, maybe Telegram should fuck off and get everyone on Whatsapp, following that logic... | 20:37 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> maybe we should use that argument with them | 20:37 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, Competitors which have the same size can compete. We are too small atm to compete for anything | 20:37 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> the "who cares for your village" argument | 20:37 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> @Flohack, So was Telegram one day. How quick they forgot. | 20:38 |
| tgBot | <tsimonq2> @vanyasem, I didn't know Slim Shady was a member of the UBPorts Team β¦ (cc @UniversalSuperBox :P) | 20:38 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Plus telegram has an open source client & protocol but no documentation. So its totally hard to implement it without bugs | 20:38 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, I agree, they became ignorant | 20:39 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> what's the point of having open source without documentation? It's like a steak without the actual meat... | 20:39 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> maybe we should talk about notifications with matrix creators? | 20:39 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> Maybe we should find another messaging app that actually cares for Floss and a Free Market. | 20:40 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @per_sonne, matrix.org riot.im | 20:40 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> Or maybe we should build one, I don't know. "If you want something done properly..." | 20:40 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> plz stop ranting and read what I say | 20:40 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, There is none that is widespread sou you can talk with your Mom or Grandpa | 20:41 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> Cool. I just need it for my girlfriend. | 20:41 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @vanyasem, we already have a working (to some extent) matrix client | 20:41 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> lol ^^ | 20:41 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, The idea would be to create an FOSS push notification service which is distributed and open for everybody | 20:42 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> so you can use it for whatever platform, even IoT etc | 20:42 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Maybe we put notifications over the Matrix netowrk | 20:42 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> its a big thing these days | 20:42 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Flohack, I want it to be self-hosted | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, Interesting thought ^^ | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> That's one of the "Advertised features" isn't it? | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, Exactly you can get your node into that then | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Flohack, I wouldn't mind doing that | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Just need to wait for Dendrite for that | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> How often we talked about notifications already ^^ | 20:43 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> and yet no real roadmap | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Every Community Update | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Flohack, we never got to a conclusion tho | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> yeah | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> so the point is we should actually try something already π | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> as a PoC but we should | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, See my thoughts: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/235/notifications-out-of-the-comfort-zone | 20:44 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> May! | 20:45 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> We just need to create a new token on the Ethereum network and use that as an exchange of messages | 20:45 |
| tgBot | <LarreaMikel> I suppose that you know this... and maybe it won't do what we want... but https://aerogear.org/push/ | 20:47 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> I'll be sure to read it tomorrow, as I'm a little busy now, thanks | 20:48 |
| tgBot | <LarreaMikel> np | 20:48 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> in the end of the day, maybe if we can try to get Android version of Telegram to run on Ubuntu, should keep the servers up for us...stupid idea, maybe? | 20:58 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> if you can't defeat them | 20:58 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> but maybe we should look for another messaging app, with decent encryption, true floss and so on... | 20:59 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> take a look at matrix | 20:59 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> Fwd from vanyasem: matrix.org riot.im | 20:59 |
| tgBot | <delijati> https://prism-break.org/en/all/#instant-messaging ;) | 21:01 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-bacon build #258: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/258/ | 21:02 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @per_sonne, The F-Droid version of Telegram simply polls, no central server | 21:02 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Actually, WebSockets I think | 21:02 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #955: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/955/ | 21:03 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Lorxu, you need google services to use central service (firebase messaging) | 21:11 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> @Lorxu, Notifications work, though | 21:14 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> and I have a Lineage OS tablet with Telegram from f-droid, and it just...works | 21:15 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> never noticed any issues | 21:15 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> no google services | 21:15 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @per_sonne, Nobody said they don't... | 21:16 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> They just work differently | 21:16 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> yes, but they do; my point | 21:17 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, no google services is not the only problem of Android, otherwise we would not exist | 21:23 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> Is there any other messaging app that might work on ubuntu phone, with notifications, besides telegram? | 21:23 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> I guess a webapp wouldn't have notifications, right? | 21:24 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @per_sonne, Matrix servers support polling too | 21:24 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> That's what Riot from F-Droid does | 21:24 |
| tgBot | <per_sonne> I guess. But nothing yet for ubuntu touch, right? | 21:25 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @per_sonne, The Telegram web app is very slow, compared to a native implementation, and is only a temporary fix I think. We really need a native app, for performance and battery life etc | 21:30 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> Are there any driver or config to the bluetooth headphones? Because the conection is awfull. A lot of delay and cuts. | 21:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @Jaume, See https://forums.ubports.com/topic/457/the-bluetooth-thread/46 - Bluetooth is one thing on the device where we have really a lot of work still to do | 21:36 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> thanks. I will be patience. π If I can help. | 21:45 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> the Canonical version isn't better. I have installed yet and have the same problems that people say in that document. | 21:49 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> what's it happen with the keyboard? sometimes fall crazy, when scroll to correct or come back final to write. | 21:51 |
| tgBot | <Jaume> but two very good apps, podbird and flas (radio net). Of course, there are some more that they are good or very good. | 21:53 |
| tgBot | DeadSquirreI01 was added by: DeadSquirreI01 | 22:29 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @DeadSquirreI01, Welcome Marco! | 22:30 |
| tgBot | <DeadSquirreI01> Hey :D | 22:30 |
| tgBot | <DeadSquirreI01> Anything about halium rootfs? | 22:31 |
| tgBot | <andreasimonetti> I don't need push-notifications.. Today i manually pushed the "search for upgrades" button for about 40 times! π | 23:22 |
| tgBot | <Sconio> https://github.com/toxygen-project/toxygen/releases | 23:34 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yep, that's a Python tox client. | 23:45 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Any context? | 23:45 |
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