[03:18] <m0nkey_> Guys, I need a new router. Suggestions?
[08:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> it must have blinky lights! :-P
[10:50] <brobostigon> :)
[11:00] <brobostigon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeBox#/media/File:Pc_005.jpg those are blinky lights, :)
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> i was thinking more... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtlBZx0yV_M
[11:05] <brobostigon> :D
[11:05] <brobostigon> good film too, :)
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> back when hollywood could make comedies
[11:06] <brobostigon> oh yes.
[15:08] <diddledan> bleeping, and flashing, and bleeping
[15:09] <penguin42> ?
[15:10] <raymondillo> has the login protocol changed in the last few weeks? my nick will not login via erc on freenode
[15:10] <diddledan> raise your hands if you're a freenode staff?
[15:11] <brobostigon> penguin42: zmoylan-pi linked to this earlier, which diddledan is quoting from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtlBZx0yV_M
[15:12] <penguin42> brobostigon: Ah!
[15:12] <brobostigon> :)
[15:13] <diddledan> who misses the days that AMD chips were drop-in compatible with intel sockets
[15:13] <penguin42> diddledan: When was that?
[15:14] <diddledan> 90s
[15:16] <penguin42> I don't remember those
[15:16] <diddledan> penguin42: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_7
[15:20] <penguin42> diddledan: Interesting, I had an early Pentium 90 - I suspect it might have been the earlier Socket5
[15:31] <raymondillo> Is anyone here using erc to access irc on freenode?
[15:34] <raymondillo> thanks bye
[17:57] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41140621
[17:58] <daftykins> shame
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> maybe the north koreans just went a little nuts in the gift shop... :-P http://englishrussia.com/2011/06/22/the-russian-atomic-weapon-museum/
[18:38] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: where do you find these random links?!
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> when you have insomnia you browse the web a lot... i've seen the whole thing 2-3 times by now... :-P
[18:40] <diddledan> lol
[18:40] <diddledan> even the bit under the rug?
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> we don't speak about under the rug links in company...
[18:41] <penguin42> especially the bit under the rug
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> besides you can take any ordinary or extraordinary thing, add russia and bingo. you just made it weirder/better/bigger...
[18:54] <diddledan> in soviet russia, extraordinary weirdens you
[18:55] <diddledan> that dude Jesus! https://twitter.com/rechelon/status/904417094904700928
[18:56] <diddledan> omg, oracle silently laid-off all remaining Solaris staff
[18:56] <diddledan> ref: https://twitter.com/webmink/status/904417585810333696
[18:58] <daftykins> i dunno they probably did at least ask them into their office or say 'check your email tomorrow morning' ;)
[19:00] <penguin42> one assumes they have someone to do security fixes - right?
[19:00] <daftykins> they'll just phone up zmoylan-pi
[19:15] <zmoylan-pi> have hammer, will travel...
[19:23] <daftykins> that's the spirit!
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> remember the good old days when leaks were from usb drives found in the back of taxis... :-/ https://gizmodo.com/thousands-of-job-applicants-citing-top-secret-us-govern-1798733354?IR=T
[19:54] <penguin42> it doesn't seem to take much to screw up perms on s3 does it
[19:55] <ali1234> S3 is ridiculously complicated
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> it's the cloud, it makes everything easier :-P
[19:57] <daftykins> friend of mine who's a dev for a large US firm said they didn't want to keep paying in-house IT support anymore, so moved all their stuff to Azure... and now pay more per month for that
[19:58] <zmoylan-pi> but some beancounter feels happier giving the money to what they think is a professional external company rather than the weirdo with the desk covered in firefly action figures...
[20:01] <daftykins> :>
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> have you seen how shiny the brochure was?
[20:03] <daftykins> maybe the get-to-know-you party was that great
[21:12] <diddledan> up town girl. she's been livin in her uptown world.
[21:13] <daftykins> eh?
[21:14] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuMWrfXG4E
[21:15] <daftykins> i'm not convinced those fellas are undoing nuts for a legitimate repair!
[21:16] <daftykins> and yeah i know it, wondered what prompted it :D
[21:16] <diddledan> just got it in my head
[21:16] <daftykins> in your head, in your head... now you have to play The Cranberries
[21:17] <diddledan> this is so cute: https://twitter.com/FluffSociety/status/904453271917559808
[21:20] <daftykins> :D
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> we have a family of foxes in the garden... full grown adults are not so fluffy
[21:24] <diddledan> the minellium bug was a hoax, right? https://twitter.com/ProfDaveAndress/status/904454705345990656
[21:26] <daftykins> yowzer
[21:26] <daftykins> i'll just send my programs to Initech to be sorted, there's this guy Peter that works there...
[21:28] <m0nkey_> Anyone know anything about these APU2 boards from PCEngines?
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> there was no millenium, it was all a hoax by the beer companies to sell booze...
[21:31]  * diddledan spanks his m0nkey_ 
[21:31] <m0nkey_> Indeed
[21:31] <m0nkey_> You know anything about them diddledan ?
[21:31] <diddledan> I looked at them on and off but not enough that I can say much about them
[21:31] <diddledan> I liked that pfsense supported them OOTB
[21:32] <m0nkey_> I'm considering getting one to replace the Ubiquiti ER PoE
[21:32] <daftykins> APUs you say o0
[21:32] <diddledan> you're not getting on well with the ER?
[21:32] <daftykins> maybe switch to the Casualty
[21:32] <m0nkey_> UDP reordering bug causing packet loss when using UDP
[21:33] <diddledan> ew
[21:33] <diddledan> that's nassy
[21:34] <diddledan> does anyone know of an OSS youtube downloading prog? I don't mind cli
[21:34] <m0nkey_> Considering I can get one for $161 USD, not including tax & shipping is pretty decent.
[21:34] <m0nkey_> youtube-dl
[21:35] <m0nkey_> https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> i normally use extensions for web browsers for downloading youtube
[21:35] <diddledan> ta
[21:43] <m0nkey_> What about this for a pfSense box? https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182855&ignorebbr=1
[21:44] <daftykins> pricey
[21:44] <daftykins> i got one of these on a mates recommendation for a clients' special holiday home setup - https://linitx.com/product/linitx-apu-1d-3nicusbrtc-pfsense-embed-firewall-kit-red/14094
[21:44] <daftykins> oh now i've linked that i see what you asked above m0nkey_ - haha
[21:44] <m0nkey_> I just asked about the APU2 boards..
[21:45] <daftykins> yeah i've been drinking wine, what can i say
[21:45] <daftykins> we talking home or office setup?
[21:46] <m0nkey_> Home
[21:46] <m0nkey_> Barely none of the off the shelf routers at Best Buy have VLAN support. I have a requirement for at least 1 VLAN.
[21:46] <m0nkey_> (well, two if you count VLAN 1)
[21:47] <m0nkey_> I did try the 'router-on-a-stick' method with a HP thin client, but for some reason the thin-client doesn't support VLANs on it's broadcom NIC.
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the staff were really helpful... :-P
[21:47] <daftykins> what's the VLAN situation?
[21:47] <m0nkey_> It's because of work
[21:48] <m0nkey_> I put the work laptop on it's own vlan, because of the pre-install corporate spy ware
[21:49] <daftykins> ah so with one of the little APU2 setups you could just use the third NIC
[21:50] <daftykins> but mmm i'm not wholly convinced of the performance using the SD card based install, truth be told i'm going down to the Spain pad of my clients in October to finally put the machine into use again
[21:50] <m0nkey_> If I get the APU2, I'll run it on a mSATA SSD.
[21:51] <daftykins> that's a lot of money for a router you still have to add a wifi access point to (unless you put in some super pricey card)
[21:51] <m0nkey_> I already have an AP
[21:53] <m0nkey_> This looks like what I would want.. https://corpshadow.biz/bizstore/apu-combo-kits/apu2c4-red-combo-kit.html#/217-enclosure_type_-not_labelled/235-storage_-16gb_msata_ssd_module
[21:55] <daftykins> looks identical :)
[22:08] <m0nkey_> Or something like this, just an HP thin client with a 4-port Intel NIC.. www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-T620-Quad-Core-5-Port-Gigabit-Firewall-Router-64Bit-4GB-RAM-16GB-SSD-pfSense-/322696396137
[22:10] <daftykins> :S
[22:10] <daftykins> how fast is your connection btw?
[22:10] <m0nkey_> 120/20
[22:17] <diddledan> https://www.picocluster.com/products/picocenter-48
[22:17] <diddledan> that's a lotta pi
[22:19] <penguin42> m0nkey_: It's worth looking at some of the fanless PCs now - the bottom end fanless celeries
[22:20] <m0nkey_> has to be a very recent celeron, since pfSense 2.5 will have a hard requirement for AES-NI
[22:25] <penguin42> m0nkey_: Right, something like https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-j3160tm-itx-quad-core-intel-j3160-16ghz-ddr3-ddr3l-intel-hd-graphics-400-sata3-gbe-usb-30-thi
[22:26] <penguin42> (That's ITX I'm sure there are prebuilt etc etc)
[22:26] <penguin42> m0nkey_: and that has aes-ni: http://ark.intel.com/products/91533/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J3160-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz
[22:28] <m0nkey_> Wow, that board isn't even sold in Canada.
[22:28]  * penguin42 assumes there are similar
[22:29] <diddledan> how about even cheaper : https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-d1800m-integrated-dual-core-intel-celeron-j1800-241ghz-soc-ddr3-ddr3l-on-board-intel-hd-graph
[22:29] <penguin42> diddledan: Doesn't have aes-ni
[22:37] <m0nkey_> Or I get the ER-X which doesn't have the UDP reordering bug.
[22:37] <penguin42> what's that?
[22:38] <m0nkey_> https://www.amazon.ca/Ubiquiti-ER-X-UBIQUITI-Router-Black/dp/B0144R449W/
[22:38] <m0nkey_> It's like the ER PoE which I have.
[22:38] <penguin42> no I mean what bug?
[22:38] <m0nkey_> Packet loss when using UDP
[22:38] <penguin42> that's a cute beast
[22:38] <penguin42> m0nkey_: on what platform?
[22:39] <m0nkey_> For example, If I use OpenVPN using UDP I get a ton of loss when doing heavy traffic
[22:39] <m0nkey_> It's a MIPS64, running EdgeOS which is a fork of Vyatta.
[22:39] <penguin42> oh then who knows :-)
[23:25] <m0nkey_> What about one of these? https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66K4N17537
[23:25] <m0nkey_> Put in a Pentium G4400 in it
[23:26] <m0nkey_> I already have DDR3 RAM and an SSD I could put in it.