| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:40 |
|---|---|---|
| ducasse | good morning | 06:18 |
| ducasse | hi lotuspsychje - work today? | 06:36 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:19 |
| ducasse | hi lordievader | 07:21 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse, how are you doing? | 07:22 |
| ducasse | annoyed, by the first support issue of the day :) | 07:23 |
| lordievader | Hahaha | 07:25 |
| ducasse | if a package gets update 1.2.3 with a security fix on monday, then 1.2.4 with a bugfix on tuesday and the user only looks for updates on wednesday, will he be notified of the security fix? | 07:27 |
| lordievader | If he reads the release notes.... this means no, btw. It also mean they don't know 1.2.4 has a bugfix. | 07:39 |
| ducasse | basically what i said, then. | 07:42 |
| ducasse | lordievader: how is your paper going? ready for tomorrow? ;) | 07:43 |
| lordievader | Almost... | 07:43 |
| ducasse | well, best of luck | 07:44 |
| * ducasse slides over a huge cup of coffee | 07:44 | |
| lordievader | Thanks :) | 07:45 |
| lordievader | Now typing away on the new keyboard, that helps :) | 07:45 |
| ducasse | happy with it so far? | 07:46 |
| lordievader | Yes, types quite nice. Much better than the rubber dome I had here before. | 07:49 |
| lordievader | Still have to adjust my fingers, they are still pressing till the bottom -.- | 07:49 |
| ducasse | that habit can be hard to break... | 07:50 |
| lordievader | Indeed. | 07:54 |
| lotuspsychje | 300mb update on artful | 07:58 |
| ducasse | only 65mb here, but i updated yesterday | 07:59 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 08:00 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: you like it? | 08:00 |
| ducasse | artful? | 08:00 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 08:00 |
| ducasse | seems much the same as zesty, imo, with a few changes here and there... | 08:01 |
| ducasse | works fine for me, haven't had any problems. | 08:02 |
| lotuspsychje | neither did i | 08:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: legacy tray removed already on your side? | 08:04 |
| ducasse | i don't use unity/gnome | 08:05 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: whats your base flavor on artful then? | 08:05 |
| ducasse | i can't remember which image i used, but it's a minimal install | 08:06 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 08:06 |
| lotuspsychje | brb reboot after updates | 08:07 |
| lotuspsychje | so your on minimal i3 artful? | 08:09 |
| ducasse | yes | 08:09 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 08:09 |
| ducasse | i'm happy with it, going to stick with ubuntu on the laptop for now. | 08:10 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah pretty stable on my side aswell | 08:11 |
| lotuspsychje | gonna install final on netbook aswell, as i wait 18.04 | 08:11 |
| lotuspsychje | im pretty pleased how gnome is influenced by the ubuntu community | 08:12 |
| lotuspsychje | didnt excpect to happen | 08:13 |
| ducasse | ubuntu has basically created it's own theme, right? since the 'plain' gnome session is still there... | 08:14 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: yeah its defenatly ubuntu tweaked | 08:15 |
| lotuspsychje | aha tray vanished aswell after reboot | 08:16 |
| ducasse | so no systray? where does the trayicons go? | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | but indicators at right upper corner dint come yet | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | gnome will put it right upper | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | with another fork | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm, but i have ubuntu appindicators enabled as addon in gnome-tweak-tool weird | 08:18 |
| ducasse | i'm going to check out duplicati today. it's supposed to be able to sync to jottacloud - they have no linux client, but i have a free, unlimited account there... | 08:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: cool | 08:21 |
| ducasse | would be nice to be able to use it for remote backup | 08:21 |
| lotuspsychje | encrypted backups online, looks good | 08:22 |
| ducasse | yup | 08:22 |
| lotuspsychje | http://gamblisfx.com/duplicati-2-0-1-is-now-available-install-it-on-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-16-10/ | 08:22 |
| ducasse | only sucky thing is that duplicati is mono-based... | 08:22 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: already got it :) | 08:23 |
| lotuspsychje | lookin good | 08:23 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 08:24 |
| EriC^^ | hey lotuspsychje | 08:24 |
| EriC^^ | how's it going? | 08:24 |
| lotuspsychje | great here, last month of work | 08:24 |
| ducasse | \o EriC^^ | 08:24 |
| lotuspsychje | wow, look who joins | 08:24 |
| lotuspsychje | hi TJ- | 08:25 |
| TJ- | Morning all :) | 08:25 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: cool, going to take care of the shop full time? | 08:25 |
| EriC^^ | hey ducasse o/ | 08:25 |
| TJ- | I need help (in many ways!) | 08:25 |
| EriC^^ | morning TJ- | 08:25 |
| lotuspsychje | whats on your mind TJ- | 08:25 |
| ducasse | sit on lotus' knee and tell him about your problems | 08:26 |
| ducasse | ;) | 08:26 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: no, i found a new kitchen job 4.5h/day no more weekends | 08:26 |
| lotuspsychje | all holidays at home | 08:26 |
| EriC^^ | nice | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: how did you like dark tower? | 08:28 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: short version - i didn't ;) | 08:28 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 08:28 |
| ducasse | still love the books, though | 08:28 |
| TJ- | Configuring a 16.04 server remotely over SSH. network-manager's nmtui (ncurses based config tool) reports "Insufficient privileges..." trying to save changes, but it works at the local console. I believe it's a PolicyKit issue but not been able to figure out a PK Action or Rule to solve it | 08:29 |
| lotuspsychje | expectable books wouldnt fit the movie | 08:29 |
| lotuspsychje | no server skills here sorry TJ- | 08:30 |
| TJ- | it's a policykit issue I think, but PK is very obtuse | 08:30 |
| TJ- | I was up until 3am trying to figure out a permutation of rules to fix it but had to give up | 08:30 |
| ducasse | true, pk is a hassle to deal with | 08:31 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: got some errors for us to search? | 08:31 |
| lotuspsychje | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211822 | 08:33 |
| TJ- | syslog shows this for a successful change at the local console: | 08:34 |
| TJ- | NetworkManager[684]: <info> [1504486010.4720] audit: op="connection-update" uuid="b6590856-a1c2-3c89-9e8d-e9a034b92b1c" name="LAN" pid=1914 uid=0 result="success" | 08:34 |
| TJ- | And this for a failure on the remote SSH: | 08:34 |
| TJ- | NetworkManager[684]: <info> [1504485892.2864] audit: op="connection-update" uuid="b6590856-a1c2-3c89-9e8d-e9a034b92b1c" name="LAN" pid=1871 uid=1000 result="fail" reason="Insufficient privileges." | 08:34 |
| TJ- | I've not been able to find any enhanced logging from PK itself though, despite adding some pk.log() calls to a custom rule I've written | 08:35 |
| lotuspsychje | https://superuser.com/questions/489915/insufficient-privileges-in-networkmanager-even-though-polkit-policy-set | 08:35 |
| TJ- | The best understanding I have is that because this is a non-GUI system there is no policykit agent in use. There is a text-based pkttyagent though that is supposedly a possible solution. That doesn't explain why nmtui works fine on the local console though, since that won't have an agent either | 08:36 |
| lotuspsychje | http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.be/2012/05/howto-give-network-manager-sufficient.html | 08:37 |
| TJ- | Yeah, those articles all assume the system is running a GUI (where gnome/KDE/etc provide a PK agent) | 08:37 |
| lotuspsychje | there's few bugs about it aswell | 08:39 |
| lotuspsychje | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708828 | 08:39 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 708828 in network-manager "network-manager: (32) Insufficient privilege - when trying to use GSM dongle (huawei E160G)" [Important,Open] | 08:39 |
| TJ- | Yes, I found a lot last night. Spent about 4 hours on it | 08:39 |
| TJ- | unfortunately most solutions are at best incomplete and at worst incomprehensible or out-of-date | 08:39 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: wich .iso of ubuntu 16.04 did you try? | 08:39 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe more light on different .2 or .3? | 08:40 |
| lotuspsychje | other nm version? | 08:40 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: none. | 08:42 |
| TJ- | It's a debootstrap install, all up-to-date, equates to 16.04.3 | 08:42 |
| lotuspsychje | !info network-manager xenial | 08:43 |
| ubot5 | network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 2020 kB, installed size 10812 kB (Only available for linux-any) | 08:43 |
| lotuspsychje | have to go work now guys | 08:43 |
| lotuspsychje | laterz ; ) | 08:43 |
| TJ- | Got it working finally, although only by making the permissions quite permissive | 09:04 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:43 |
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| immu | hi EriC^^ | 20:05 |
| EriC^^ | hi immu | 20:07 |
| immu | whats up | 20:27 |
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