[04:40] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:18] <ducasse> good morning
[06:36] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - work today?
[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:21] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[07:22] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you doing?
[07:23] <ducasse> annoyed, by the first support issue of the day :)
[07:25] <lordievader> Hahaha
[07:27] <ducasse> if a package gets update 1.2.3 with a security fix on monday, then 1.2.4 with a bugfix on tuesday and the user only looks for updates on wednesday, will he be notified of the security fix?
[07:39] <lordievader> If he reads the release notes.... this means no, btw. It also mean they don't know 1.2.4 has a bugfix.
[07:42] <ducasse> basically what i said, then.
[07:43] <ducasse> lordievader: how is your paper going? ready for tomorrow? ;)
[07:43] <lordievader> Almost...
[07:44] <ducasse> well, best of luck
[07:44]  * ducasse slides over a huge cup of coffee
[07:45] <lordievader> Thanks :)
[07:45] <lordievader> Now typing away on the new keyboard, that helps :)
[07:46] <ducasse> happy with it so far?
[07:49] <lordievader> Yes, types quite nice. Much better than the rubber dome I had here before.
[07:49] <lordievader> Still have to adjust my fingers, they are still pressing till the bottom -.-
[07:50] <ducasse> that habit can be hard to break...
[07:54] <lordievader> Indeed.
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> 300mb update on artful
[07:59] <ducasse> only 65mb here, but i updated yesterday
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> ah
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you like it?
[08:00] <ducasse> artful?
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:01] <ducasse> seems much the same as zesty, imo, with a few changes here and there...
[08:02] <ducasse> works fine for me, haven't had any problems.
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> neither did i
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: legacy tray removed already on your side?
[08:05] <ducasse> i don't use unity/gnome
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: whats your base flavor on artful then?
[08:06] <ducasse> i can't remember which image i used, but it's a minimal install
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> brb reboot after updates
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> so your on minimal i3 artful?
[08:09] <ducasse> yes
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> nice
[08:10] <ducasse> i'm happy with it, going to stick with ubuntu on the laptop for now.
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah pretty stable on my side aswell
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> gonna install final on netbook aswell, as i wait 18.04
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> im pretty pleased how gnome is influenced by the ubuntu community
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> didnt excpect to happen
[08:14] <ducasse> ubuntu has basically created it's own theme, right? since the 'plain' gnome session is still there...
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah its defenatly ubuntu tweaked
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> aha tray vanished aswell after reboot
[08:17] <ducasse> so no systray? where does the trayicons go?
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> but indicators at right upper corner dint come yet
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> gnome will put it right upper
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> with another fork
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> hmm, but i have ubuntu appindicators enabled as addon in gnome-tweak-tool weird
[08:20] <ducasse> i'm going to check out duplicati today. it's supposed to be able to sync to jottacloud - they have no linux client, but i have a free, unlimited account there...
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cool
[08:21] <ducasse> would be nice to be able to use it for remote backup
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> encrypted backups online, looks good
[08:22] <ducasse> yup
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> http://gamblisfx.com/duplicati-2-0-1-is-now-available-install-it-on-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-16-10/
[08:22] <ducasse> only sucky thing is that duplicati is mono-based...
[08:23] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: already got it :)
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> lookin good
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[08:24] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[08:24] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> great here, last month of work
[08:24] <ducasse> \o EriC^^
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> wow, look who joins
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[08:25] <TJ-> Morning all :)
[08:25] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: cool, going to take care of the shop full time?
[08:25] <EriC^^> hey ducasse o/
[08:25] <TJ-> I need help (in many ways!)
[08:25] <EriC^^> morning TJ-
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> whats on your mind TJ-
[08:26] <ducasse> sit on lotus' knee and tell him about your problems
[08:26] <ducasse> ;)
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: no, i found a new kitchen job 4.5h/day no more weekends
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> all holidays at home
[08:27] <EriC^^> nice
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how did you like dark tower?
[08:28] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: short version - i didn't ;)
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:28] <ducasse> still love the books, though
[08:29] <TJ-> Configuring a 16.04 server remotely over SSH. network-manager's nmtui (ncurses based config tool) reports "Insufficient privileges..." trying to save changes, but it works at the local console. I believe it's a PolicyKit issue but not been able to figure out a PK Action or Rule to solve it
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> expectable books wouldnt fit the movie
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> no server skills here sorry TJ-
[08:30] <TJ-> it's a policykit issue I think, but PK is very obtuse
[08:30] <TJ-> I was up until 3am trying to figure out a permutation of rules to fix it but had to give up
[08:31] <ducasse> true, pk is a hassle to deal with
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got some errors for us to search?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211822
[08:34] <TJ-> syslog shows this for a successful change at the local console:
[08:34] <TJ-> NetworkManager[684]: <info>  [1504486010.4720] audit: op="connection-update" uuid="b6590856-a1c2-3c89-9e8d-e9a034b92b1c" name="LAN" pid=1914 uid=0 result="success"
[08:34] <TJ-> And this for a failure on the remote SSH:
[08:34] <TJ-> NetworkManager[684]: <info>  [1504485892.2864] audit: op="connection-update" uuid="b6590856-a1c2-3c89-9e8d-e9a034b92b1c" name="LAN" pid=1871 uid=1000 result="fail" reason="Insufficient privileges."
[08:35] <TJ-> I've not been able to find any enhanced logging from PK itself though, despite adding some pk.log() calls to a custom rule I've written
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> https://superuser.com/questions/489915/insufficient-privileges-in-networkmanager-even-though-polkit-policy-set
[08:36] <TJ-> The best understanding I have is that because this is a non-GUI system there is no policykit agent in use. There is a text-based pkttyagent though that is supposedly a possible solution. That doesn't explain why nmtui works fine on the local console though, since that won't have an agent either
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.be/2012/05/howto-give-network-manager-sufficient.html
[08:37] <TJ-> Yeah, those articles all assume the system is running a GUI (where gnome/KDE/etc provide a PK agent)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> there's few bugs about it aswell
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708828
[08:39] <TJ-> Yes, I found a lot last night. Spent about 4 hours on it
[08:39] <TJ-> unfortunately most solutions are at best incomplete and at worst incomprehensible or out-of-date
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wich .iso of ubuntu 16.04 did you try?
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> maybe more light on different .2 or .3?
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> other nm version?
[08:42] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: none.
[08:42] <TJ-> It's a debootstrap install, all up-to-date, equates to 16.04.3
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager xenial
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> have to go work now guys
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> laterz ; )
[09:04] <TJ-> Got it working finally, although only by making the permissions quite permissive
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[20:05] <immu> hi EriC^^
[20:07] <EriC^^> hi immu
[20:27] <immu> whats up