[04:40] good morning to all [06:18] good morning [06:36] hi lotuspsychje - work today? [07:19] Good morning [07:21] hi lordievader [07:22] Hey ducasse, how are you doing? [07:23] annoyed, by the first support issue of the day :) [07:25] Hahaha [07:27] if a package gets update 1.2.3 with a security fix on monday, then 1.2.4 with a bugfix on tuesday and the user only looks for updates on wednesday, will he be notified of the security fix? [07:39] If he reads the release notes.... this means no, btw. It also mean they don't know 1.2.4 has a bugfix. [07:42] basically what i said, then. [07:43] lordievader: how is your paper going? ready for tomorrow? ;) [07:43] Almost... [07:44] well, best of luck [07:44] * ducasse slides over a huge cup of coffee [07:45] Thanks :) [07:45] Now typing away on the new keyboard, that helps :) [07:46] happy with it so far? [07:49] Yes, types quite nice. Much better than the rubber dome I had here before. [07:49] Still have to adjust my fingers, they are still pressing till the bottom -.- [07:50] that habit can be hard to break... [07:54] Indeed. [07:58] 300mb update on artful [07:59] only 65mb here, but i updated yesterday [08:00] ah [08:00] ducasse: you like it? [08:00] artful? [08:00] yeah [08:01] seems much the same as zesty, imo, with a few changes here and there... [08:02] works fine for me, haven't had any problems. [08:02] neither did i [08:04] ducasse: legacy tray removed already on your side? [08:05] i don't use unity/gnome [08:05] ducasse: whats your base flavor on artful then? [08:06] i can't remember which image i used, but it's a minimal install [08:06] cool [08:07] brb reboot after updates [08:09] so your on minimal i3 artful? [08:09] yes [08:09] nice [08:10] i'm happy with it, going to stick with ubuntu on the laptop for now. [08:11] yeah pretty stable on my side aswell [08:11] gonna install final on netbook aswell, as i wait 18.04 [08:12] im pretty pleased how gnome is influenced by the ubuntu community [08:13] didnt excpect to happen [08:14] ubuntu has basically created it's own theme, right? since the 'plain' gnome session is still there... [08:15] ducasse: yeah its defenatly ubuntu tweaked [08:16] aha tray vanished aswell after reboot [08:17] so no systray? where does the trayicons go? [08:17] but indicators at right upper corner dint come yet [08:17] gnome will put it right upper [08:17] with another fork [08:18] hmm, but i have ubuntu appindicators enabled as addon in gnome-tweak-tool weird [08:20] i'm going to check out duplicati today. it's supposed to be able to sync to jottacloud - they have no linux client, but i have a free, unlimited account there... [08:21] ducasse: cool [08:21] would be nice to be able to use it for remote backup [08:22] encrypted backups online, looks good [08:22] yup [08:22] http://gamblisfx.com/duplicati-2-0-1-is-now-available-install-it-on-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-16-10/ [08:22] only sucky thing is that duplicati is mono-based... [08:23] lotuspsychje: already got it :) [08:23] lookin good [08:24] hey EriC^^ [08:24] hey lotuspsychje [08:24] how's it going? [08:24] great here, last month of work [08:24] \o EriC^^ [08:24] wow, look who joins [08:25] hi TJ- [08:25] Morning all :) [08:25] lotuspsychje: cool, going to take care of the shop full time? [08:25] hey ducasse o/ [08:25] I need help (in many ways!) [08:25] morning TJ- [08:25] whats on your mind TJ- [08:26] sit on lotus' knee and tell him about your problems [08:26] ;) [08:26] EriC^^: no, i found a new kitchen job 4.5h/day no more weekends [08:26] all holidays at home [08:27] nice [08:28] ducasse: how did you like dark tower? [08:28] lotuspsychje: short version - i didn't ;) [08:28] lol [08:28] still love the books, though [08:29] Configuring a 16.04 server remotely over SSH. network-manager's nmtui (ncurses based config tool) reports "Insufficient privileges..." trying to save changes, but it works at the local console. I believe it's a PolicyKit issue but not been able to figure out a PK Action or Rule to solve it [08:29] expectable books wouldnt fit the movie [08:30] no server skills here sorry TJ- [08:30] it's a policykit issue I think, but PK is very obtuse [08:30] I was up until 3am trying to figure out a permutation of rules to fix it but had to give up [08:31] true, pk is a hassle to deal with [08:31] TJ-: got some errors for us to search? [08:33] https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211822 [08:34] syslog shows this for a successful change at the local console: [08:34] NetworkManager[684]: [1504486010.4720] audit: op="connection-update" uuid="b6590856-a1c2-3c89-9e8d-e9a034b92b1c" name="LAN" pid=1914 uid=0 result="success" [08:34] And this for a failure on the remote SSH: [08:34] NetworkManager[684]: [1504485892.2864] audit: op="connection-update" uuid="b6590856-a1c2-3c89-9e8d-e9a034b92b1c" name="LAN" pid=1871 uid=1000 result="fail" reason="Insufficient privileges." [08:35] I've not been able to find any enhanced logging from PK itself though, despite adding some pk.log() calls to a custom rule I've written [08:35] https://superuser.com/questions/489915/insufficient-privileges-in-networkmanager-even-though-polkit-policy-set [08:36] The best understanding I have is that because this is a non-GUI system there is no policykit agent in use. There is a text-based pkttyagent though that is supposedly a possible solution. That doesn't explain why nmtui works fine on the local console though, since that won't have an agent either [08:37] http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.be/2012/05/howto-give-network-manager-sufficient.html [08:37] Yeah, those articles all assume the system is running a GUI (where gnome/KDE/etc provide a PK agent) [08:39] there's few bugs about it aswell [08:39] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708828 [08:39] Debian bug 708828 in network-manager "network-manager: (32) Insufficient privilege - when trying to use GSM dongle (huawei E160G)" [Important,Open] [08:39] Yes, I found a lot last night. Spent about 4 hours on it [08:39] unfortunately most solutions are at best incomplete and at worst incomprehensible or out-of-date [08:39] TJ-: wich .iso of ubuntu 16.04 did you try? [08:40] maybe more light on different .2 or .3? [08:40] other nm version? [08:42] lotuspsychje: none. [08:42] It's a debootstrap install, all up-to-date, equates to 16.04.3 [08:43] !info network-manager xenial [08:43] network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 2020 kB, installed size 10812 kB (Only available for linux-any) [08:43] have to go work now guys [08:43] laterz ; ) [09:04] Got it working finally, although only by making the permissions quite permissive [11:43] Howdy folks === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon === JanC is now known as Guest74391 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon === Lukewh_ is now known as Lukewh [20:05] hi EriC^^ [20:07] hi immu [20:27] whats up