| cmaloney | morningagain | 12:57 |
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| rick_h | Party | 14:37 |
| cmaloney | Are we having fun yet? | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | Blergh. Taking a test-drive of Ubuntu 17.10 in a VM and wishing Unity was back | 20:15 |
| cmaloney | I'm not sure how this is supposed to be more user friendly. Seems at every turn the menu is in a different spot | 20:17 |
| cmaloney | And I can't fucking zoom in a background | 20:18 |
| cmaloney | It's like I'm using a fucking chromebook | 20:18 |
| jrwren | nothing about desktop linux is ever user friendly, nor has it ever been. instead, it seems to get less friendly every release. | 20:28 |
| jrwren | change for change sake. YAY | 20:29 |
| Scary_Guy | stop using bloated WMs anyway and go with XFCE or something similar. i3/BSPWM/rat poison if you want hard mode. | 20:32 |
| cmaloney | https://gnomeshellsucks.wordpress.com/ | 20:33 |
| Scary_Guy | I REALLY like MATE without marco and using i3 | 20:33 |
| cmaloney | XFCE is terrible | 20:33 |
| cmaloney | Basically I want a Mac-like interface on a Linux machine | 20:33 |
| cmaloney | and XFCE isn't that | 20:33 |
| cmaloney | it's a Windows 95-like interface and that makes me sad | 20:34 |
| Scary_Guy | if you want a mac like interface why can't you just use the mac interface? I'm sure there must be something similar | 20:37 |
| Scary_Guy | or just shoehorn unity back on | 20:38 |
| cmaloney | Ever since Canonical realized they lost the phone war to pretty much everyone else they discontinued UNity | 20:40 |
| cmaloney | so Unity is a non-starter | 20:40 |
| Scary_Guy | https://sourceforge.net/projects/macbuntu/ older so you might have to modify it a bit to work | 20:41 |
| Scary_Guy | https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-easiest-Linux-window-manager-for-people-familiar-with-OSX the top two answers are literally Gnome and XFCE. I guess it's really just personal preference though | 20:43 |
| Scary_Guy | really I think MATE would be best with some tweaking, but there is no easy out of the box solution I think | 20:44 |
| Scary_Guy | too bad you can't get Aqua itself to work on it. but I suppose if people could do that it'd be one less thing that Mac has over Linux (in their eyes) | 20:50 |
| cmaloney | yeah, I don't literally want a Macintosh. :) | 20:53 |
| cmaloney | I want a non-crazy version of GNOME that hasn't completely sucked into its own asshole | 20:53 |
| cmaloney | (crazy me) | 20:53 |
| Scary_Guy | but they did that, it's literally MATE :p | 20:56 |
| Scary_Guy | when the (first) version of Gnome 3 sucked, they forked 2 and made it better. of course "better" is always subjective too | 20:56 |
| cmaloney | I also want to move forward. | 20:57 |
| cmaloney | so MATE is a non-starter. :) | 20:57 |
| Scary_Guy | also https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments/ | 20:58 |
| Scary_Guy | and https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/ | 20:58 |
| Scary_Guy | https://brendaningram.com/article/ram-usage-of-various-linux-desktop-environments/ I switched to Debian from Mint for a reason :) | 20:59 |
| cmaloney | I have 16GB in this machine. I'm good. :) | 21:04 |
| Scary_Guy | I have 4 of ECC, but still every bit counts to me | 21:04 |
| Scary_Guy | when I ran Window$ I replaced Explorer with BBlean (a BlackBox derivitive) and brought the memory useage from 30-50 down to 2mb | 21:05 |
| Scary_Guy | but back then you had to worry about RAM useage | 21:05 |
| cmaloney | Explorer is a bloated POC. | 21:09 |
| Scary_Guy | we're all adults here, you can say S :P | 21:12 |
| cmaloney | Piece of Code? :) | 21:12 |
| Scary_Guy | but yeah, it always has been since 95 and probably even before that. | 21:12 |
| Scary_Guy | I do miss 3.11 sometimes but probably just for nostalgia reasons | 21:13 |
| jrwren | well, rick_h knew. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-08-30/how-nakaya-pens-anticipated-the-writing-tool-renaissance :) | 22:25 |
| rick_h | jrwren: lol | 22:26 |
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