[12:57] <cmaloney> morningagain
[14:37] <rick_h> Party
[18:45] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[20:15] <cmaloney> Blergh. Taking a test-drive of Ubuntu 17.10 in a VM and wishing Unity was back
[20:17] <cmaloney> I'm not sure how this is supposed to be more user friendly. Seems at every turn the menu is in a different spot
[20:18] <cmaloney> And I can't fucking zoom in a background
[20:18] <cmaloney> It's like I'm using a fucking chromebook
[20:28] <jrwren> nothing about desktop linux is ever user friendly, nor has it ever been. instead, it seems to get less friendly every release.
[20:29] <jrwren> change for change sake. YAY
[20:32] <Scary_Guy> stop using bloated WMs anyway and go with XFCE or something similar.  i3/BSPWM/rat poison if you want hard mode.
[20:33] <cmaloney> https://gnomeshellsucks.wordpress.com/
[20:33] <Scary_Guy> I REALLY like MATE without marco and using i3
[20:33] <cmaloney> XFCE is terrible
[20:33] <cmaloney> Basically I want a Mac-like interface on a Linux machine
[20:33] <cmaloney> and XFCE isn't that
[20:34] <cmaloney> it's a Windows 95-like interface and that makes me sad
[20:37] <Scary_Guy> if you want a mac like interface why can't you just use the mac interface?  I'm sure there must be something similar
[20:38] <Scary_Guy> or just shoehorn unity back on
[20:40] <cmaloney> Ever since Canonical realized they lost the phone war to pretty much everyone else they discontinued UNity
[20:40] <cmaloney> so Unity is a non-starter
[20:41] <Scary_Guy> https://sourceforge.net/projects/macbuntu/ older so you might have to modify it a bit to work
[20:43] <Scary_Guy> https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-easiest-Linux-window-manager-for-people-familiar-with-OSX the top two answers are literally Gnome and XFCE.  I guess it's really just personal preference though
[20:44] <Scary_Guy> really I think MATE would be best with some tweaking, but there is no easy out of the box solution I think
[20:50] <Scary_Guy> too bad you can't get Aqua itself to work on it.  but I suppose if people could do that it'd be one less thing that Mac has over Linux (in their eyes)
[20:53] <cmaloney> yeah, I don't literally want a Macintosh. :)
[20:53] <cmaloney> I want a non-crazy version of GNOME that hasn't completely sucked into its own asshole
[20:53] <cmaloney> (crazy me)
[20:56] <Scary_Guy> but they did that, it's literally MATE :p
[20:56] <Scary_Guy> when the (first) version of Gnome 3 sucked, they forked 2 and made it better.  of course "better" is always subjective too
[20:57] <cmaloney> I also want to move forward.
[20:57] <cmaloney> so MATE is a non-starter. :)
[20:58] <Scary_Guy> also https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments/
[20:58] <Scary_Guy> and https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/
[20:59] <Scary_Guy> https://brendaningram.com/article/ram-usage-of-various-linux-desktop-environments/ I switched to Debian from Mint for a reason :)
[21:04] <cmaloney> I have 16GB in this machine. I'm good. :)
[21:04] <Scary_Guy> I have 4 of ECC, but still every bit counts to me
[21:05] <Scary_Guy> when I ran Window$ I replaced Explorer with BBlean (a BlackBox derivitive) and brought the memory useage from 30-50 down to 2mb
[21:05] <Scary_Guy> but back then you had to worry about RAM useage
[21:09] <cmaloney> Explorer is a bloated POC.
[21:12] <Scary_Guy> we're all adults here, you can say S :P
[21:12] <cmaloney> Piece of Code? :)
[21:12] <Scary_Guy> but yeah, it always has been since 95 and probably even before that.
[21:13] <Scary_Guy> I do miss 3.11 sometimes but probably just for nostalgia reasons
[22:25] <jrwren> well, rick_h knew.  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-08-30/how-nakaya-pens-anticipated-the-writing-tool-renaissance  :)
[22:26] <rick_h> jrwren: lol