[12:57] morningagain [14:37] Party [18:45] Are we having fun yet? [20:15] Blergh. Taking a test-drive of Ubuntu 17.10 in a VM and wishing Unity was back [20:17] I'm not sure how this is supposed to be more user friendly. Seems at every turn the menu is in a different spot [20:18] And I can't fucking zoom in a background [20:18] It's like I'm using a fucking chromebook [20:28] nothing about desktop linux is ever user friendly, nor has it ever been. instead, it seems to get less friendly every release. [20:29] change for change sake. YAY [20:32] stop using bloated WMs anyway and go with XFCE or something similar. i3/BSPWM/rat poison if you want hard mode. [20:33] https://gnomeshellsucks.wordpress.com/ [20:33] I REALLY like MATE without marco and using i3 [20:33] XFCE is terrible [20:33] Basically I want a Mac-like interface on a Linux machine [20:33] and XFCE isn't that [20:34] it's a Windows 95-like interface and that makes me sad [20:37] if you want a mac like interface why can't you just use the mac interface? I'm sure there must be something similar [20:38] or just shoehorn unity back on [20:40] Ever since Canonical realized they lost the phone war to pretty much everyone else they discontinued UNity [20:40] so Unity is a non-starter [20:41] https://sourceforge.net/projects/macbuntu/ older so you might have to modify it a bit to work [20:43] https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-easiest-Linux-window-manager-for-people-familiar-with-OSX the top two answers are literally Gnome and XFCE. I guess it's really just personal preference though [20:44] really I think MATE would be best with some tweaking, but there is no easy out of the box solution I think [20:50] too bad you can't get Aqua itself to work on it. but I suppose if people could do that it'd be one less thing that Mac has over Linux (in their eyes) [20:53] yeah, I don't literally want a Macintosh. :) [20:53] I want a non-crazy version of GNOME that hasn't completely sucked into its own asshole [20:53] (crazy me) [20:56] but they did that, it's literally MATE :p [20:56] when the (first) version of Gnome 3 sucked, they forked 2 and made it better. of course "better" is always subjective too [20:57] I also want to move forward. [20:57] so MATE is a non-starter. :) [20:58] also https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments/ [20:58] and https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/ [20:59] https://brendaningram.com/article/ram-usage-of-various-linux-desktop-environments/ I switched to Debian from Mint for a reason :) [21:04] I have 16GB in this machine. I'm good. :) [21:04] I have 4 of ECC, but still every bit counts to me [21:05] when I ran Window$ I replaced Explorer with BBlean (a BlackBox derivitive) and brought the memory useage from 30-50 down to 2mb [21:05] but back then you had to worry about RAM useage [21:09] Explorer is a bloated POC. [21:12] we're all adults here, you can say S :P [21:12] Piece of Code? :) [21:12] but yeah, it always has been since 95 and probably even before that. [21:13] I do miss 3.11 sometimes but probably just for nostalgia reasons [22:25] well, rick_h knew. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-08-30/how-nakaya-pens-anticipated-the-writing-tool-renaissance :) [22:26] jrwren: lol