[02:15] <valorie> I don't see my mail -- who was the sender?
[02:15]  * valorie is back from the cabin exhausted but now at least clean and fed!
 @IrcsomeBot, :D
 @valorie, Clivey
[02:16] <valorie> o/
[02:17] <ahoneybun> I got the email
[02:28] <valorie> I might have too; I just want to know the sender so I can search for it
[02:44] <valorie> or the subject line
[02:44] <valorie> just checked spam -- not there
 Forwarded it to you valorie
[02:54] <valorie> thank you, ahoneybun!
[02:57] <valorie> found mine, thanks!
 Np
[02:58] <valorie> and voted
 https://blogs.kde.org/2017/09/05/konversation-2x-2018-new-user-interface-matrix-support-mobile-version
 They've done A LOT of research on that
[11:34] <clivejo> looks a lot like Google's UI design
 Irma looks nasty!
 @ahoneybun You are in the path of that?
 Yep I am
 @acheronuk
 @ahoneybun, Stay safe
 As much as we can anyway
[20:31] <valorie> damn, Irma picked up steam during the night? boo
[20:31] <valorie> do you have all the supplies you need, ahoneybun?
 Probably
[20:33] <valorie> I love a good windstorm, but a hurricane - NO
[20:34] <valorie> I would love a version of konvi I could use on my phone
 Mm mobile will not work good with IRC
[20:35] <valorie> so happy about the discussion about the future of KDE communication
 Matrix sure
 Ah no work Thurs and Fri
[20:35] <valorie> but that's the point -- being able to switch without pain
 @valorie, What's the discussion about?
[20:39] <valorie> Riddell wrote to the community list saying let's ditch IRC and all move to RocketChat
 That was a CRAZY list
[20:39] <valorie> since then, much discussion about a better way forward
[20:39] <valorie> very productive
[20:39] <valorie> he was just trying to wake everyone up
[20:40] <valorie> not crazy
 The scale of the thread
 Not the topic
[20:41] <valorie> I slept 'till 11, and feel almost caught up
[20:41] <valorie> well, KDE people are crazy
[20:41] <valorie> good crazy usually
[20:41] <valorie> although of course not always
[20:41] <valorie> lol
[20:41]  * valorie is included in that
 KDE folks are crazy
 I might be moving to GNOME
 that HDMI audio issue was just soooo bad
[20:48] <valorie> what?
[20:49] <valorie> to be fair, all FOSS folks are crazy
[20:49] <valorie> if you did move to the GNOME community you would find the same
[20:49] <valorie> face it: people are crazy
 I could not find the audio for my hdmi
[20:49] <valorie> oh
 I'm talking about the software
[21:56] <valorie> interesting, the last few things I said here never got here, I guess
[21:56] <valorie> or at least were not replayed when I "got back" from having to reset my flipping cable modem
[21:57] <tsimonq2> valorie: see convo in #k-d?
[21:57] <clivejo> valorie: do you know davmor2 ?
[22:00] <valorie> tsimonq2: which conversation?
[22:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: he's go 4 emails on LP
[22:00] <acheronuk> *got
[22:00] <valorie> I followed the channel before getting disconnected
[22:00] <tsimonq2> valorie: dropping kdesudo
[22:00] <valorie> what's his realname?
[22:00] <valorie> oh, not read that yet
[22:00] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~davmor2
[22:00] <acheronuk> presumably
[22:01] <clivejo> yeah, found that and tried his gmail account
[22:01] <valorie> Dave Morley
[22:01] <valorie> sounds familiar but I'm not sure
[22:01] <clivejo> he's got Canonical email listed
[22:01] <valorie> yup
[22:02] <acheronuk> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dave-morley-33573ab
[22:02] <valorie> if he works on snaps then Riddell and Sitter probably know him
[22:03] <clivejo> his website is very informative http://davmor2.co.uk/
[22:05] <acheronuk> more so that mine
[22:05] <acheronuk> *than
[22:06]  * clivejo looks at rikmills.com
[22:06] <clivejo> bit blank looking to be honest
[22:06] <acheronuk> short and to the point :P
[22:07] <clivejo> 15/41 voted so far
[22:07] <acheronuk> how many did last year?
[22:07] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Can I buy it and fill it with pics of Red Bull? :P
[22:07] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Am I winning? :P
[22:07] <acheronuk> ahoneybun?
[22:07] <clivejo> of course Simon
[22:08] <clivejo> free stickers are vote winners
[22:08] <tsimonq2> LOL
[22:09] <clivejo> I don't know who is winning, doesn't say until I End the poll
[22:09]  * acheronuk suggests clive does a plot of votes/day
[22:09] <clivejo> so you are all winners until the 11th
[22:09] <clivejo> acheronuk: you plot it
[22:10] <clivejo> was 11 last night, and is 15 tonight
[22:10] <acheronuk> clive: going to send reminders towards the end?
[22:10] <clivejo> dunno if I can
[22:10] <clivejo> don't want to spam people
[22:10] <acheronuk> true
[22:10] <clivejo> if they don't want to vote I can't make them!
[22:11] <clivejo> I should have turned on detailed tracking
[22:11] <clivejo> name and shame the non-voters
[22:12] <acheronuk> in the end, the people who care are those who will vote, which seems fine to me
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Pressure Riddell and Haruld :P
[22:13] <clivejo> they might have voted already
[22:13] <valorie> it will be fine
[22:14] <valorie> those who care will vote, and that's who we want to vote
[22:14] <acheronuk> echo...
[22:14] <clivejo> well 15 votes in 24hours is pretty good going
[22:14]  * tsimonq2 was joking, I know Haruld wants some free stickers :P
[22:15] <clivejo> really?
[22:15] <acheronuk> probably wants his name spelt correctly as well
[22:15] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: salty :P
[22:15] <clivejo> thought Haruld was more free alcohol kinda guy
[22:16] <valorie> nope, I offered him free drinks and he was suspicious
[22:16]  * tsimonq2 goes on a tangent, wondering if it would be worth it to apply for KD
[22:16] <tsimonq2> valorie: lol
[22:16] <valorie> "What will you ask of me if I accept?"
[22:16] <valorie> KD?
[22:16] <tsimonq2> valorie: devel
[22:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: (Kubuntu Developer)
[22:17] <clivejo> are you collecting LP badges or something?
[22:17] <tsimonq2> clivejo: no :P
[22:18] <clivejo> you have MOTU, why you want KD?
[22:18] <valorie> tsimonq2: Peruse?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Because there's Kubuntu packages in Main I want upload access to
[22:18] <clivejo> such as?
[22:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo: A week ago I could tell you that... I don't remember now :P
[22:19] <clivejo> I don't think we have much in main, do we?
[22:19] <tsimonq2> We have a couple of things in there
[22:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Plus most of Qt that's in main
[22:19] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:20]  * clivejo raises eyebrow
[22:20] <clivejo> that's the real reason
[22:20] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: is there any team you don't want to be on?
[22:21] <acheronuk> oh. clive already mentioned badges
[22:21] <acheronuk> same Q
[22:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: My interest in team membership only lies within the teams I can actively contribute to
[22:22] <clivejo> do keep up Rik!
[22:22] <tsimonq2> i.e. you won't see me around Xubuntu
[22:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: For example I'm in the Ubuntu MATE Developers team because I've gotten $large_sum_of_money from flexiondotorg to do $a_couple_of_tasks (that will be public info soon)
[22:23] <tsimonq2> etc. etc. etc.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> But notice that I'm only in the teams I contribute to
[22:23] <tsimonq2> But I do contribute to a lot of things
[22:25] <clivejo> with Unity gone, won't Qt be demoted to universe?
[22:25] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Besides my LoCo (I remain in there because I want to be a member of the team but I don't have the time to organize things in person), I don't see anything on this list that I'm directly a member of that I haven't contributed to in the past month: https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+participation
[22:26] <tsimonq2> clivejo: That's yet to be decided :P
[22:26] <tsimonq2> If you can name one team that I'm a member of that I haven't recently contributed to, let me know so I can leave it :P
[22:27] <tsimonq2> valorie: ack on Peruse fwiw, if you give me an ack with your Kubuntu Release Manager hat on that it's OK to upload, I'll happily do it
[22:27] <clivejo> Ubuntu Cyclists
[22:28] <clivejo> Harald Sitter's Groupies
[22:28] <clivejo> Daniel Holbach Huggers
[22:28] <tsimonq2> clivejo: That's one of those teams like "Daniel Holbach Huggers" that I'm in for symbolic reasons :P
[22:28] <tsimonq2> <3 dholbach
[22:28] <tsimonq2> <3 Haruld
[22:28] <clivejo> badge collecter more like!
[22:28] <tsimonq2> And I do <3 my bike
[22:29] <ahoneybun> Harald
[22:29] <tsimonq2> Haruld
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Whenever I say Haruld or Timmus, imagine me saying it with an Irish accent :P
[22:30] <ahoneybun> Harald and Timmis
[22:30] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: And you think I correct people a lot! :P
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Haruld
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Timmus
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Aarun
[22:31] <ahoneybun> but your doing it on purpose
[22:31] <tsimonq2> *you're
[22:31] <ahoneybun> I just spell somethings wrong
[22:31] <clivejo> tsimonq2: stop making fun of my accent!
[22:31] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I'm not making fun of it, I'm embracing my Irish roots :P
[22:32] <clivejo> what roots?
[22:32] <tsimonq2> I have ancestors that lived in Ireland
[22:32] <clivejo> where when?
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Like 5 generations ago
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Somewhere in Ireland
[22:33] <clivejo> LOL
[22:35] <clivejo> tsimonq2: would you take on preparing and uploading other KDE tools like the sddm-kcm package?
[22:36] <valorie> tsimonq2: if clivejo and acheronuk say that Peruse is in good shape, then please upload
[22:36] <valorie> I've not been able to test it for various reasons
[22:37] <tsimonq2> valorie: I can get it in good shape myself, copyright is just b0rked
[22:37]  * clivejo doesn't think its in good shape
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Me neither
[22:37] <tsimonq2> I have to fix it :P
[22:38] <clivejo> don't like the idea of patching a copyright statement
[22:38] <acheronuk> released one is still kirigami v1
[22:38] <acheronuk> and kirigami2 one is recent WIP
[22:38] <clivejo> if 5.37 goes in, then a git snapshot might be possible?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: When you need things uploaded could you please dput it somewhere and just email me the link or Telegram it to me?
[22:39] <acheronuk> 5.37?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ...you mean 5.38? 5.37 has been in the archive for a while
[22:40] <clivejo> sorry 5.38
[22:40] <valorie> hmmm, Eike's recent blogpost about Konvi sort of referred to peruse as ready-to-use software
[22:40] <valorie> I didn't know about issues
[22:40] <valorie> :(
[22:40] <clivejo> there are conflicting copyright statements
[22:40] <acheronuk> https://cgit.kde.org/peruse.git/log/
[22:40] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Let me ping slangasek and ask him about patching copyrights
[22:41] <clivejo> leinir made the changes to fix it in git, but won't release a fixed tarball
[22:41] <acheronuk> doesn't seem very ready to go, unless he meant the 8 month old 1.2 kirigami1 based release
[22:41] <tsimonq2> Oh, well then I can do a Git snapshot
[22:41] <tsimonq2> np
[22:41] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: What's he waiting on?
[22:42] <clivejo> tsimonq2: the latest git requires a fix to frameworks
[22:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: What fix?
[22:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Because if it's bugfix, I can upload the patch from upstream then fix up peruse and upload
[22:43] <tsimonq2> Otherwise it can go in the Frameworks SRU
[22:43] <tsimonq2> s/SRU/FFE bug report/
[22:43] <clivejo> https://cgit.kde.org/peruse.git/commit/?id=aed2256a1e5c8a46122f9ec5a10c770239d02ec5
[22:43] <valorie> or you could ask leinir directly, as the maintainer
[22:44] <valorie> fixing the copyrights upstream would be best, yes?
[22:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: we already have 5.37 in the archive
[22:44] <clivejo> he bumped the required KF5Kirigami2 to 5.37.0
[22:44] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kirigami2/5.37.0-0ubuntu1
[22:44] <tsimonq2> valorie: That's already done, it's in upstream git master
[22:45] <valorie> cool
[22:45] <valorie> ok, gotta deal with the next round of laundry
[22:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: We're going to get Peruse in for you :P
[22:45] <valorie> no rest for the wicked
[22:45] <valorie> \o/
[22:45] <valorie> I can finally read my doctor who comics!
[22:45] <tsimonq2> S L E E P  I S  F O R  T H E  W E A K - REDBULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[22:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: :D
[22:46] <clivejo> grrrr
[22:46] <valorie> rest is a unix command, silly!
[22:46] <clivejo> I can't keep up
[22:46] <valorie> as is sleep
[22:46] <valorie> sheesh
[22:46] <tsimonq2> valorie: I don't know enough about Doctor Who to be excited with you, but you should be able to do that under Kubuntu :P
[22:48] <clivejo> then what about a git snapshot of peruse?
[22:48] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I plan on that ;)
[22:48] <clivejo> just tried it, and it;s working fine
[22:49] <clivejo> loads the comic porn great
[22:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: I have a tablet for that
[22:49] <clivejo> oooo Get hot new books
[22:50] <ahoneybun> clivejo: reading hentai?
[22:50] <clivejo> dunno what it is
[22:50] <clivejo> I downloaded a test comic and was shocked!
[22:50] <clivejo> eakkk
[22:50] <clivejo> spoke too soon
[22:51] <clivejo> clicking on "Get new books" seems to have crashed it
[22:54] <clivejo> "/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings/peruse.knsrc"  doesn't contain a KNewStuff3 section.
[22:54] <clivejo> file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/private/ActionButton.qml:350: TypeError: Cannot read property 'level' of null
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Once we get a working Peruse, I'll be happy to look at it more.
[23:00] <acheronuk> someone teach pino to wrap-and-sort!
[23:06] <clivejo> that is so annoying
[23:07] <tsimonq2> Is that in Debian git?
[23:07] <clivejo> yup
[23:08] <clivejo> he never seems to wrap-and-sort his work
[23:09] <tsimonq2> What package?
[23:13] <clivejo> I assume https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ktorrent.git/
[23:13]  * clivejo shivers
[23:13] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ktorrent.git/tree/debian/control
[23:15] <tsimonq2> Fixed.
[23:16] <valorie> tsimonq2: yes, I read the first few with ocular
[23:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: hm?
[23:17] <valorie> but I wanted peruse, as that was made for it!
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Oh
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Yah
[23:17] <tsimonq2> *Yeah
[23:18] <valorie> I bought a bundle of the comics on that site that pays the authors for their work
[23:18] <valorie> can't recall the name
[23:18] <valorie> they usually do games, but occasionally other stuff
[23:18] <ahoneybun> humble bundle?
[23:18] <valorie> yes
[23:18] <ahoneybun> I know they did a doctor who one
[23:18] <valorie> a few of them, actually
[23:19] <valorie> whatever they could license, I imagine
[23:25] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I have https https://ahoneybun.net/
[23:26] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: BC?
[23:26] <clivejo> you have mixed content too :P
[23:27] <ahoneybun> ahh tsimonq2
[23:27] <ahoneybun> mixed content?
[23:27] <clivejo> insecure content on the page
[23:27] <ahoneybun> where?
[23:27] <clivejo> makes the browser demote the page
[23:27] <clivejo> https://blog.ahoneybun.net/
[23:27] <ahoneybun> that's a different server if I remember right
[23:28] <clivejo> well its trying to access it over https
[23:29] <ahoneybun> nah it's on the same server
[23:29] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:31] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: any help on getting it more mobile friendly
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Is it in Git somewhere or is it just WP or something?
[23:32] <ahoneybun> it's just html and css on the server right now
[23:32] <ahoneybun> the blog is WP
[23:32] <ahoneybun> ahoneybun.net is just html and css
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: My mobile-friendly stuff is all CSS3: https://gitlab.com/tsimonq2/tsimonq2.gitlab.io
[23:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:38] <valorie> oh damn, our cabin is under much more threat than I thought
[23:38] <tsimonq2> valorie: O_O ?
[23:38] <valorie> forest fire up there
[23:38] <tsimonq2> Eek!
[23:38] <ahoneybun> I'm looking up funny domains
[23:38] <valorie> there is ash falling out of the air here
[23:38] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: rikmills.com :P
[23:38] <valorie> and we live 45 mins away
[23:39] <tsimonq2> Oh no!
[23:40] <valorie> we just finished the new deck yesterday
[23:40] <valorie> and sawed up the old one and stacked it in the woodshed for the winter
[23:40] <valorie> crossing my fingers for luck
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Not good :(
[23:41] <valorie> https://www.facebook.com/CrystalMountainWashington/photos/a.432458485232.199824.100997105232/10154843344565233/?type=3&theater&ifg=1
[23:41] <valorie> that's the ski area about a half-hour drive up the hill
[23:42] <valorie> yesterday
 yikes!
[23:43] <clivejo> tsimonq2: regarding Qt why don't you apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-packages-uploaders ?
[23:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Good point :P
[23:44] <tsimonq2> Or I could just aim for Core Developer...
[23:44] <clivejo> indeed
[23:44] <clivejo> MOTW
[23:45] <tsimonq2> No, I'd be a Master of the Universe and the Core
[23:45] <tsimonq2> XD
[23:45] <clivejo> what are we gonna do tonight Brain?
[23:45] <tsimonq2> (MOTU is a subset of Core Developer)
[23:45] <acheronuk> narf
[23:45] <tsimonq2> clivejo: put Max in a sheep costume and have him jump over your bed
[23:47] <valorie> that first part seems easier to say than to do
[23:59] <ahoneybun> oh boy interview for system76 tomorrow