[00:46] <Orxata_> Hi
[00:47] <Orxata_> Is it possible to "resize" the entire partition of windows (it ocupies almost the entire hard drive space) before or during the installation of ubuntu?
[00:52] <zelozelos> you would do it before, and i suggest letting windows resize its self
[00:53] <Loshki> Orxata_: yes, if you select the 'partition it yourself' option in the installer, you can see every partition, and can shrink the windows one. There is always a risk of data loss when you play with partitions, so you should a full and complete backup of anything you can't afford to lose, before you even start.
[00:53] <zelozelos> you won't get the most space, but its the safest
[00:53] <bazhang> alic1a, hi
[00:53] <alic1a> bazhang: What Is up?
[00:53] <bazhang> alic1a, hi bot
[00:54] <bazhang> synja, remove the bot from here
[00:56] <Loshki> synja: Please review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines -- the section on "Please don't bring bots"
[00:57] <synja> stop spamming
[01:07] <hackedhead> so, I installed 17.04, but I have a /home partition from my previous slackware installation. I want to merge anything important from the ubuntu installed /home/user into my existing partition and then mount my old /home into my new ubuntu installation
[01:07] <hackedhead> what might I need from the ubuntu /home/<user>/
[01:08] <bazhang> hackedhead, under custom, didnt you get the option to preserve home
[01:08] <hackedhead> i didn't use custom
[01:08] <bazhang> ah ok
[01:10] <hackedhead> (my old home is on a separate VG, on a different PV, which wasn't even plugged in when I installed ubuntu
[01:10] <hackedhead> so I just used whole disk+encryption
[01:11] <bazhang> is this a wish to share /home with two distros scenario hackedhead
[01:13] <hackedhead> it was, but now it's just a wish to merge the two /homes I have together
[01:14] <hackedhead> I gave up on dualbooting slack+ubuntu because LVM and grub don't love each other enough
[01:14] <hackedhead> I guess I could just rsync my old home into my new home.
[01:14] <Loshki> hackedhead: most /home/<user> directories are a handful of dotfiles. Just rename it to /home/user.old and in the unlikely event you do discover a dotfile you need you can just copy it. An empty /home/<user>.old is tiny anyway, and can be recreated any old time.
[01:15] <hackedhead> Loshki: ....
[01:15] <psychoticwarrior> hey]\
[01:17] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, hi
[01:17] <bazhang> ubuntu support issue psychoticwarrior ?
[01:24] <hackedhead> Loshki: 23G/media/oldhome/hackedhead/
[01:25] <psychoticwarrior> i have no problems my system is fine
[01:25] <hackedhead> I guess my question was, though, are there any dotfiles I should worry about specifically from the new system before I mount my old one over it?
[01:29] <Loshki> hackedhead: I doubt that there are any important /home/user files from the new system. They certainly won't have years of your accumulated changes, so in actual practice, there's nothing to merge. However, newer apps may make changes to some dotfiles, so you need a backup to make sure you can move back to the old system if you need to.
[01:30] <hackedhead> old system is gone, so I'm not super concerned on that front.
[01:30] <hackedhead> but okay. thanks.
[01:32] <hackedhead> next up: how do I disable the keyring entirely?
[01:33] <hackedhead> (chrome causes a prompt on startup "an application wants to create a default keyring") and there's no option for "I don't want you to make a keyring,  go away" (hitting cancel just reprompts several times)
[01:35] <stranglerfish> hello
[01:36] <stranglerfish> the keyboard on my laptop isn't working. if i use a usb keyboard, that works. but on the laptop itself it's not working and i have no clue how to fix it
[01:36] <stranglerfish> i'm not even sure if it ever worked since i've been using a usb keyboard since installing, up until just now
[01:37] <stranglerfish> any1 able to help with this?
[01:38] <stranglerfish> i'm almost tempted to uninstall and go back to 16.04.2 instead of 16.04.3 cause i've been having lots of issues since installing the upgrade (i did a full wipe and installed from scratch, just a few days ago)
[01:39] <Ben64> uh...
[01:39] <Ben64> theres no point in doing that for point versions, as i'm pretty sure i told you before
[01:40] <stranglerfish> yes but i want to make sure that whatever the issue is is just completely dealt with by going back to the exact same install i had before
[01:40] <stranglerfish> i'm just paranoid lol
[01:40] <stranglerfish> but if i can fix the keyboard issue that'd be optimal
[01:41] <Ben64> so install the non-hwe kernel
[01:41] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: Yeah, a point version would not likely do that. It likely didn't work before that now.
[01:42] <stranglerfish> it definitely did work before i did the fresh install
[01:42] <stranglerfish> i just don't know if it's worked since the install cause i've been using the usb keyboard from that point on
[01:45] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: I don't know. If it were me, I would start the usual troubleshooting path of checking logs for errors.
[01:45] <stranglerfish> dunno how to do that :P
[01:46] <rypervenche> Then that might be our first step, unless Ben64 already did this with you and you just haven't done what he has asked.
[01:46] <stranglerfish> nope he has not. i dunno how to troubleshoot this kind of thing
[01:47] <rypervenche> I would start with checking the output of "dmesg" as well as your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:47] <rypervenche> And probably journalctl -xe, but all of those are going to have a lot of output.
[01:49] <stranglerfish> i gotta jet for a bit, guests just got here but i'll be back on in a few hours with that output
[01:50] <stranglerfish> actually one sec. should i pastebin that or something?
[01:52] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: You should, but only when you have time to troubleshoot it.
[01:53] <stranglerfish> i have time
[01:53] <stranglerfish> i'm just gonna troubleshoot on different monitor while movie plays on tv
[01:53] <stranglerfish> we're gonna watch Akira, i've seen it
[01:54] <stranglerfish> k this is dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25469390/
[01:55] <stranglerfish> this is Xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25469397/
[01:57] <stranglerfish> this is journalctl -xe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25469409/
[01:59] <stranglerfish> i have no idea what to do with those infos :P
[02:11] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: run: find /etc/X11/xorg*
[02:13] <stranglerfish> no such file or directory
[02:14] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: find /etc/X11
[02:16] <Guy1524__> hey guys, anybody know of software for ubuntu that monitors framerate and works with both vulkan and oGL applications
[02:17] <stranglerfish> here is find /etc/X11: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25469494/
[02:22] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: Hmmm, I don't know.
[02:23] <stranglerfish> spoopy, since i only just reset like last night, should i just do it back to 16.04.2? i haven't done anything i can't redo in like 1 hour tops
[02:28] <tubal> Hello. Having trouble accessing my iPhone on 17.04. The file browser shows a mount point, but can only access Documents folder on the iPhone. No DCIM, etc. Any clues out there?
[02:28] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: Go for it.
[02:29] <stranglerfish> will do once guests leave, and will report back. probs within next 3-4 hours
[02:32] <adrian_1908> I appear to be having issues with `/dev/mapper/cryptswap1` in my fstab file. The systemd journal repeateadly reports "Dependency failed for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1.  |  Dependency failed for Cryptography Setup for cryptswap1.  |  dev-mapper-cryptswap1.device: Job dev-mapper-cryptswap1.device/start timed out." Any idea if I can uncomment this line? I didn't even set up any swap space, but I checked "encrypt /home directory"
[02:32] <adrian_1908> during installation.
[02:37] <adrian_1908> To hell with it, I'll just try it out.
[03:10] <kwk> Hi, I have a problem creating VMs with the Artful daily builds being stuck on the ubuntu and 5 dots loading screen. All other VMs are working normally and this didn't happen with previous Artful builds, e.g. about a month ago
[03:11] <kwk> I'm not sure how to proceed with troubleshooting the issue, is this the place to go for help on that?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> kwk: #ubuntu+1 for that as it is not released .
[03:15] <kwk> Bashing-om: thank you.
[03:16] <Bashing-om> kwk: Least I can try and do . :)
[03:32] <dna6a> cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.bak       to revert back to original I just type in : cp /etc/network/interfaces.bak /etc/network/interfaces
[03:32] <dna6a> ?
[03:34] <kk4ewt> dna6a, should work
[03:38] <dna6a> thanks
[03:38] <dna6a> before i do that//
[03:39] <rypervenche> dna6a: It's also good to get into the habit of using cp -a instead of cp by itself when backing up files :)
[03:39] <dna6a>   
[03:39] <dna6a>  [
[03:39] <dna6a> ok cheesrs
[03:40] <dna6a> im getting an error when opening up editor
[03:41] <dna6a> error reading lock file /etc/network/.interfaces.swp : Not enough data read
[03:41] <dna6a> and what does the -a denote with cp command?
[03:42] <kk4ewt> man cp
[03:43] <dna6a> yeah but how is cp -a differnt to cp I am curious about
[03:44] <Ben64> man cp will tell you the answer
[03:44] <dna6a> oh lol I see :)
[03:44] <dna6a> any idea why Not enough data read is coming up in editor?
[03:46] <Ben64> not sure what you're talking about
[03:47] <dna6a> I opened up editor and it was all blank with  Dan J error reading lock file /etc/network/.interfaces.swp : Not enough data read at the bottom
[03:47] <dna6a> minus the Dan J part :)
[04:02] <kaili> Hello, I have some weird glitch with my laptop sound card under ubuntu 16.04.2 : the right speaker works flawlessly but the left speaker has a metallic high pitched sound. If I restart the computer, sometimes it will work correctly but after a while it will become metallic
[04:03] <kaili> Sound card : 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 9d71 (rev 21) (prog-if 80) / Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 82c1 / Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel / Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel, snd_soc_skl
[04:03] <kaili> What could I do ?
[04:27] <doubtful> hey
[04:27] <doubtful> using 16.04
[04:27] <doubtful> sudo apt-get -f install xournal. Unable to locate it?
[04:27] <donofrio> doubtful, just ask your question
[04:27] <doubtful> any ideas?
[04:27] <donofrio> apt-cache search xournal returns?
[04:28] <doubtful> don't want to build from source, I get errors.
[04:28] <doubtful> donofrio: returns nothing
[04:29] <lordcirth> doubtful, when I search 'apt search xournal' on 17.04, I get: xournal/zesty 1:0.4.8-1 amd64
[04:30] <chris0000> I have the following iptables rule:  "iptables -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 80 -j MARK --set-mark 1" which redirects all traffic directed to port 80 on any ip address through a particular interface (tun0, which is a VPN tunnel). This works for port 443 but does not for port 80 because my VPN provider is on port 80. Basically once I run this rule my connection breaks (ie VPN times out). Is there a way to exclude traffic to a particular IP?
[04:30] <doubtful> using 16.04 on virtualbox.
[04:30] <doubtful> It is on live-cd not installed.
[04:30] <doubtful> does that make a difference?
[04:31] <lordcirth> chris0000, https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/64013/iptables-rule-that-excludes-a-particular-ip/
[04:31] <donofrio> yah works for me and I'm 14.04 (w10 w/WSL) and it wants to install 17 new packages aka something wrong with your sources.list
[04:31] <lordcirth> doubtful, I don't think the livecd has full repos.  Why use a livecd in virtualbox?  Just install
[04:33] <chris0000> lordcirth: i tried that i think, but i see i might have done it slightly wrong. thanks. will re-try it.
[04:33] <kk4ewt> of course the live in a vm is a good way to play but  as soon as you reboot everything is gone
[04:33] <doubtful> lordcirth: i didn't know tha
[04:33] <doubtful> t
[04:44] <stranglerfish> so i derped
[04:44] <stranglerfish> i thought my previous version was 16.04.2, but when i looked at my saved .iso's it was 14.04.2
[04:44] <stranglerfish> now i dunno what do
[04:48] <rypervenche> stranglerfish: Ahhhh, big difference. You did an upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 and that's when the keyboard stopped working?
[04:49] <stranglerfish> no i think i had 16.04.xx, it very well could have been 04.3
[04:49] <stranglerfish> i might say fudge it and try arch again
[04:49] <stranglerfish> i'm getting frustrated
[04:58] <stranglerfish> umm, so i'm getting some really weird behavior and i'm concerned
[04:58] <stranglerfish> i put arch linux on a bootable usb
[04:59] <stranglerfish> i reset laptop. press my f keys (took turns alternating between f2, f10,11,12 cause i can't remember which it is)
[04:59] <stranglerfish> none of them brought up the boot menu
[04:59] <stranglerfish> then i get to the login screen and all those pre login presses register as keystrokes for my password
[04:59] <stranglerfish> i'm able to backspace delete them and then no further input does anything
[05:00] <stranglerfish> at this point i dunno how i'm gonna install a different OS if it's not registering at boot
[05:00] <stranglerfish> but the keyboard clearly is still accepting input so it's not hardware
[05:01] <stranglerfish> brb
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:08] <stranglerfish> k guys i'm really scared
[05:09] <stranglerfish> bios was not registering keypresses, but then spammed all those keypresses once at login menu. i tried booting into arch, was not accepting keystrokes from laptop
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> stranglerfish: this is ubuntu support here
[05:09] <stranglerfish> something weird is going on and i have no idea how to troubleshoot and i'm concerned my laptop is screwed, but it DID register keystrokes
[05:10] <stranglerfish> where should i go? i'm running ubuntu, this issue only arose after reinstalling ubuntu
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> stranglerfish: checkout ##hardware channel for hardware issues
[05:10] <stranglerfish> would this for certain be a hardware issue?
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> stranglerfish: bios is before Os loading, so there must be something going on different?
[05:11] <stranglerfish> yeah i dunno
[05:11] <Aginor> stuck keys?
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> stranglerfish: did you test keys at grub?
[05:12] <stranglerfish> how do
[05:12] <stranglerfish> yeah, stuck keys basically
[05:12] <stranglerfish> i unno, lots of weird behavior
[05:13] <stranglerfish> and this is the laptop i use for programming and such so i caaan't have it die on me now, this is bad timing and i'm just kinda freaking a bit
[05:13] <stranglerfish> there doesn't seem to be anyone around on ##hardware
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> stranglerfish: try holding Shift at boot to enter grub
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> stranglerfish: ubuntu version? laptop brand/type?
[05:16] <ledeni> stranglerfish, try to press f12 and hold on boot
[05:19] <stranglerfish> wait i just remembered
[05:19] <stranglerfish> when i installed ubuntu it mentioned something about removing uefi? could that have something to do with it?
[05:22] <stranglerfish> sec i'm gonna install irc client on other laptop so i can stay on here while doing this stuff on the affected one
[05:23] <stranglerfish> logging out for like, 5 seconds
[05:26] <stranglerfish> k back
[05:26] <stranglerfish> what were the suggestions? i lost chat history since i'm on a diff laptop
[05:31] <marcisb> How to fix flash probleems in chrome in ubuntu?
[05:35] <vlt> marcisb: One way is to not use it.
[05:39] <marcisb> vlt but in firefox i havent flash for some webs
[05:39] <vlt> marcisb: What do you mean?
[05:40] <vlt> marcisb: You were talking about chrome before.
[05:45] <stranglerfish> so hardware directed me back
[05:46] <stranglerfish> to ask for lspci to determine if my keyboard is being detected as a hardware device
[05:46] <kriech0r> morning
[05:46] <stranglerfish> lpsci help*
[05:52] <kriech0r> what the heck... i'm in ubuntu 16.04 recovery root shell and suddenly the system runs through an init script again and drops back to the recovery menu. here i can't use arrow keys to select an entry .. or to be more precise: its not shown what i'm doing. sometimes a row changes while doing something on the keyboard but most of the time it looks dea
[05:52] <kriech0r> d
[05:54] <kriech0r> connected remotely via hp ILO
[06:06] <kriech0r> anyone an idea? the recovery console from the installer is a bit challenging :D
[06:33] <drale2k_> Is "Startup Applications" using "Upstart" ?
[06:34] <drale2k_> i have this error sometimes on Ubuntu Desktop "the application upstart has experienced an internal error" where Upstart crashes and then also the script i set to run via "Startup Applications" is also not running
[07:30] <marcisb> How to uninstall mysql server from ubuntu?
[07:32] <corentin> sudo apt-get remove mysql-server?
[07:33] <marcisb> ok
[07:40] <brainwash> drale2k_: I think only a handful of applications are started this way, like the application indicators
[07:41] <brainwash> drale2k_: you probably should check your session log
[07:41] <drale2k_> brainwash: is that  /var/log/user.log ?
[07:43] <brainwash> drale2k_: check ~/.cache/upstart/logs/
[07:43] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions#User_Job_Logging
[07:44] <drale2k_> File doesn't exist hm
[07:45] <brainwash> it's a directory
[07:45] <brainwash> maybe check ~/.xsession-errors also
[07:46] <brainwash> it may not contain any relevant lines though, if upstart is used
[07:46] <drale2k_> is there a better way to start a script after user login and desktop start ?
[07:47] <brainwash> "Startup Applications" should be the correct way
[07:48] <brainwash> maybe you can add it to ~/.profile, but this file is read before the desktop is loaded
[07:49] <ducasse> you can launch programs from ~/.xsessionrc
[07:49] <brainwash> also, make sure that your script does not block the read process (-> your-script &)
[07:50] <brainwash> ducasse: doesn't the display manager ignore that file?
[07:50] <ducasse> brainwash: nope
[07:50] <brainwash> ok
[07:50] <drale2k_> it's random behaviour
[07:51] <drale2k_> i boot 4 times, and the 5th time it will not autostart
[07:51] <ducasse> brainwash: it ignores ~/.xinitrc, maybe that's what you were thinking of?
[07:51] <drale2k_> not always 5th but it works like couple of times then it doesn#t start the script at all
[07:51] <brainwash> drale2k_: you probably should tell us what your script actually does
[07:51] <drale2k_> thanks will check out xsessionrc
[07:51] <marcisb> How i can check which version of mysql i have installed? : )
[07:52] <ducasse> drale2k_: don't forget the dot
[07:52] <drale2k_> startup is just calling "ruby /path/to/script.rb"
[07:52] <marcisb> mysql server
[07:52] <drale2k_> and my ruby script is then doing some stuff but that ruby script never runs
[07:52] <drale2k_> by never i mean in cases upstart doesn't start the script
[07:53] <drale2k_> i now have started it with "ruby /path/to/script.rb &> log.txt", it creates the log.txt but it's empty
[07:53] <brainwash> I would add some extra debug output
[07:53] <brainwash> aha
[07:53] <drale2k_> and in the ruby script i added a random puts "bla" at the beginning
[07:53] <brainwash> add some debug lines to your script then
[07:53] <brainwash> ok
[07:54] <drale2k_> to which script, the ruby script ?
[07:54] <brainwash> yes
[07:54] <drale2k_> what else to add when even the first line is not run
[07:54] <drale2k_> otherwise the "bla" would be in log.txt
[07:54] <brainwash> indeed
[07:54] <drale2k_> because when i run the script manually it is
[07:55] <geirha> Where did you put "ruby /path/to/script.rb &> log.txt" exactly?
[07:55] <geirha> the commands in desktop-entries are not run with a shell, so &> should not work
[07:56] <drale2k_> GerbilSoft: first i had it in the Startup application
[07:56] <drale2k_> and now i created a file in /home/ubuntu/.config/upstart/guistart.conf
[07:56] <brainwash> &> requires bash on top of that
[07:56] <drale2k_> with this content https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d88dbfbb0622aebcc863a2f230c5c853
[07:57] <brainwash> bash -c 'ruby /path/to/script.rb &> log.txt'
[07:57] <drale2k_> ok will try
[07:59] <drale2k_> i added that now and made a syntax error in the rb fiel to force n error
[08:00] <drale2k_> no log file created
[08:01] <drale2k_> bash -c 'ruby /home/ubuntu/Desktop/test.rb &> /home/ubuntu/Desktop/log.txt'
[08:02] <brainwash> via startup apps or via upstart?
[08:02] <brainwash> or both?
[08:02] <drale2k_> upstart
[08:03] <ducasse> drale2k_: try .xsessionrc
[08:08] <drale2k_> ducasse: do i run "bash -c" or "bin bash /path.rb" in xsessionrc ?
[08:08] <drale2k_> ah withoiut the "bin"
[08:09] <drale2k_> i guess i can use a /bin/bash shebang and then just run "ruby ..."
[08:14] <brainwash> drale2k_: bash is needed for the redirection &>
[08:15] <brainwash> if you don't need that anymore, then remove the bash part
[08:29] <yeeve> Ubuntu 17.04 doesn't seem to have an rc.local file anymore, is it worth "re-enabling" it with 'sudo systemctl enable rc-local.service' or is there a more modern way to run simple commands/scripts on 17.04?
[08:34] <EriC^^> yeeve: crontab's @reboot comes to mind
[08:34] <EriC^^> more modern you said though, i guess a service unit
[08:35] <EriC^^> @reboot would be the quick and easy way
[08:35] <yeeve> @reboot it is :) thanks!
[08:36] <drale2k_> seems like xsessionrc did the job
[08:36] <drale2k_> thanks!
[08:36] <EriC^^> yeeve: np :)
[08:37] <ducasse> drale2k_: yw
[09:09] <francisv> Hello.  I'm used to use Adobe Acrobat reader for PDF reading and annotation.  Any recommendation for Ubuntu (zesty).  I need PDF annotation tools.  Thank you.
[09:09] <Juniperr> I'm using lm-sensors to see the temp of my cpu because I recently had a problem with the fan. Core temps are constant at 35, while 'cputin' has been constant at 127 since the moment I turned on the pc and immediately checked till now, 10 minutes later
[09:10] <Juniperr> If it was really 127 it would have melted by now I think. So there is nothing to worry about, right?
[09:12] <Juniperr> francisv: check out okular. I think it has annotation tools although I've never used them
[09:13] <Juniperr> I just checked. It does have them (shortcut F6)
[09:14] <francisv> Juniperr: thank you.
[09:25] <CreativeWolf> Heya all :)
[09:36] <cfhowlett> ping!
[09:36] <cfhowlett> !ping
[09:47] <EriC^^> !ding
[09:58] <yellabs-r2> hi there
[09:59] <yellabs-r2> i seem to run into trouble with python and the turtle ( to draw ) module import
[09:59] <yellabs-r2> any tips or help are welcome
[10:00] <brainwash> yellabs-r2: wouldn't it be better to ask in #python?
[10:00] <yellabs-r2> i dont think so because its a ubuntu specific problem
[10:01] <brainwash> then go ahead and ask
[10:02] <yellabs-r2> oh my god, its that simple, got the solution already , sorry for your time, cant call it turtle.py
[10:02] <brainwash> oh :)
[10:02] <yellabs-r2> that creates the error ... ;)
[10:03] <yellabs-r2> i could kick myself
[10:03] <yellabs-r2> lol
[10:03] <brainwash> not very ubuntu specific in the end :P
[10:03] <yellabs-r2> true , so true
[10:06] <CreativeWolf> Folks, any pointers on how to get secured printing work on Ubuntu?
[10:07] <hateball> CreativeWolf: You'll need a bit more detail than that
[10:07] <hateball> It's all down to the printer drivers
[10:08] <CreativeWolf> I've installed the canon drivers, configured the network printer, changed settings for secured printing
[10:09] <CreativeWolf> It won't ask for username / password but in the CUPS Job log I see "none of secured print password and username"
[10:09] <CreativeWolf> Tried Mode 1, Mode 2 - No go.
[10:11] <CreativeWolf> hateball, print jobs are withheld.
[10:12] <hateball> CreativeWolf: Well I have no idea about Canon + drivers, but the general idea is that you configure the PIN code before printing
[10:12] <CreativeWolf> hateball, where can I configure that?
[10:13] <hateball> CreativeWolf: Like I say... I dont know how Canon operates, if it has its own set of utilities or whatever
[10:13] <hateball> CreativeWolf: For reference, this is how it works with HP http://hplipopensource.com/node/363
[10:13] <hateball> So perhaps you have similar options for Canon
[10:21] <CreativeWolf> hateball, thanks, it's supposed to ask for pin which it doesn't.
[10:22] <hateball> CreativeWolf: Sorry then I can't help you much, I'm pretty much HP exclusive so
[10:22] <CreativeWolf> hateball, thanks though :)
[10:22] <hateball> CreativeWolf: What's the exact model of it?
[10:22] <hateball> I can spend lunch break googling
[10:23] <CreativeWolf> Canon iR ADv C3320
[10:24] <hateball> CreativeWolf: So you have no options to set the pin code in the printer settings? Prior to printing that is
[10:24] <CreativeWolf> hateball, no
[10:24] <Psy0rz> is it possible the 'break' kernelparameter is not functioning in ubuntu 14? i'm trying to get a shell in the initramfs
[10:31] <ESphynx> hi guys, i've been having hard drive acces related major jams for years with Ubuntu. why?
[10:33] <hateball> ESphynx: check your HDD health using smartctl
[10:37] <ESphynx> hateball: I think smartmontools got uninstalled after my last upgrade...
[10:38] <ESphynx> but I believe the HD to be just fine, I use it in Windows with 0 problem at all
[10:38] <hateball> well it's impossible to guess
[10:39] <hateball> Use a monitoring tool like iotop
[10:39] <hateball> and troubleshoot what you are doing when it happens
[10:39] <ESphynx> hateball: I've had these problems the whole time I had my laptop and I had checked smartctl before and there was no issue.
[10:39] <ESphynx> hateball: I just access my NTFS partition, sometimes it might actually be my XFS one.
[10:40] <ESphynx> my unpacking iotop is just stuck again in this same silly thing.
[10:41] <ESphynx> and ctrl-c doesn't stop any of it
[10:41] <ESphynx> it's a major pain
[10:44] <pluszak> I'm running Trusty and when I try to install a package I get " unoconv : Depends: python3-uno (>= 4.0) but it is not going to be installed (...) E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[10:44] <pluszak> The thing is I do not have held packages and all the snippets I found on the net to show broken or held packages show nothing
[10:45] <pluszak> I can of course install it manually but it kind of defeats the point
[10:45] <hateball> pluszak: you probably have a PPA with conflicting packages then
[10:46] <pluszak> hateball: Yeah, I think so too because that only happens if I try to install fffmped ang unoconv at the same time
[10:47] <hateball> apt policy <package>, will tell you where it thinks it is supposed to come from
[10:48] <pluszak> That didn't do. But apttitude install ffmpeg unoconv shows me the conflict
[10:48] <akik> is there an option to see the versions of the packages to be updated with apt-get?
[10:54] <pluszak> akik: like, in bulk?
[11:01] <vlt> ESphynx: How sure are you that is related to your hard drive? What does dmesg say?
[11:03] <ESphynx> vlt: it always occurs whe running some commands like git status or make install
[11:05] <ESphynx> vlt: other than that I'm not really sure :P I just know I've been having a hard time with Ubuntu (for several reason, this is just one of them) for the last 3 years at least.
[11:05] <vlt> ESphynx: dmesg?
[11:05] <ESphynx> vlt: nothing interesting there
[11:06] <vlt> ESphynx: Is this machine heavily using swap?
[11:08] <ESphynx> vlt: I did not even create a swap partition, it has 16 GB of ram.
[11:09] <JuJuBee> I tried to upgrade my box last week and it botched somehow.  Instead of spending hours figuring out why/how I reinstalled.  The fresh install boots to black screen after grub.  When I add nomodeset I get kernel panic.  How do I fix this?  http://picpaste.com/20170905_065814-2cVUAfVE.jpg
[11:10] <necrophcodr> Is it possible to pass dpkg options to aptitude, like you can apt-get?
[11:14] <francisv> I just installed Okular in Ubuntu zesty, but the bar menu is buggy.  It displays very long windows when choosing a menu.  Any other recommendation for PDF viewer with annotation tools?
[11:14] <akik> pluszak: i mean when i run apt-get to update the packages, i don't see their versions listed
[11:17] <akik> pluszak: i guess i could use apt-get simulate to see what gets updated
[11:17] <pluszak> you could use apt-cache madison to see the offered versions
[11:17] <akik> actually that simulate shows what i need
[11:18] <akik> and it runs quite quickly
[11:31] <brainwash> JuJuBee: the kernel log mentions a missing init system
[11:33] <JuJuBee> brainwash: I see that, but how do I correct it?  This is a fresh install and I cannot boot into OS
[11:34] <brainwash> JuJuBee: a fresh installation of ubuntu 14.04?
[11:34] <brainwash> I would go with 16.04
[11:34] <JuJuBee> No 16.04
[11:34] <brainwash> the log mentions 14.04
[11:35] <JuJuBee> I did not notice that.  I used a 16.04 live USB to do fresh install
[11:35] <JuJuBee> Something must have gone wrong.  I will re-install again.
[11:35] <brainwash> please to
[11:35] <brainwash> do
[11:36] <brainwash> and verify that it is indeed 16.04
[11:40] <m5w> Hello.  How do I install TeX Live packages that aren't in the package repository with tlmgr?  Whenever I try to install a package, I get the following error:
[11:40] <m5w> tlmgr: Cannot load TeX Live database from ftp://tug.org/historic/systems/texlive/2015/tlnet-final
[11:41] <m5w> there's also a bunch of stuff where if fails with FTP and then retries with wget
[11:41] <m5w> I asked over in #latex about this, but it was complete crickets over there
[11:41] <m5w> and perhaps this is more of an Ubuntu issue any way
[11:45] <brainwash> m5w: maybe you need to pick another mirror
[11:46] <brainwash> this one may be temporary down or broken, or just dead
[11:47] <m5w> brainwash: Nope.  I can get to <ftp://tug.org/historic/systems/texlive/2015/tlnet-final/> just fine...
[11:47] <m5w> (in web browser)
[11:47] <m5w> and just re-ran the command, and still fails
[11:48] <m5w> what's really wierd is that the line before the error says "retry with wget succeeded: ftp://tug.org/historic/systems/texlive/2015/tlnet-final/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb"
[11:49] <m5w> so it can download just fine, albeit it has to fail with FTP first
[11:53] <brainwash> m5w: would it be possible to test with a different mirror?
[11:53] <m5w> brainwash, sure
[11:53] <m5w> if I knew of a different mirror :P
[11:57] <JuJuBee> brainwash: what is the diff between the live USB where during boot there is either a menu (which includes try or install...) and the one where there is a pic of a keyboard and person at the bottom?
[11:57] <brainwash> you can look it up
[11:57] <JuJuBee> Does it have to do with UEFI?
[11:58] <m5w> brainwash, actually, I'm afraid not.  The mirrors don't seem to have the frozen 2015 version
[11:58] <m5w> which I need, because Ubuntu TeX Live is old
[11:58] <m5w> and can't work with newer repos
[11:58] <brainwash> m5w: ohh
[11:59] <brainwash> new 2017 version will be available in ubuntu 17.10
[11:59] <m5w> well, I'm on 16.04 here...
[11:59] <brainwash> JuJuBee: sadly, no idea
[11:59] <JuJuBee> ok
[11:59] <m5w> unless there's some kind of backport?
[11:59] <m5w> should I just install via the TeX Live installer?
[12:00] <ioria> https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/texlive
[12:00] <m5w> ioria, thanks
[12:02] <ioria> m5w, mybe you need to purge the repo version first, really idk
[12:02] <m5w> ioria, thankfully this is a testing VM, so easy to do stuff like that
[12:03] <ioria> m5w, ah , ok check this too : https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/texlive-2017
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:19] <tehstormcrow> Good day, i installed vim and ycm, but after a while ycm gets deleted for no reason from /.vim/bundle i could see every other plugin but ycm halp
[12:20] <ioria> !info vim-youcompleteme
[12:26] <scottjl> tehstormcrow: how did you install ycm?
[12:27] <francisv> Firefox 55 does not support Google Hangout, so I try to install Firefox ESR on Ubuntu zesty. The download link in The third column, /Varnish Cache/, marks those VMODs that are also available in the
[12:27] <francisv> (sorry wrong copy paste after "The download link"
[12:27] <francisv> )
[12:27] <francisv> The download link in https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/
[12:28] <francisv> downloads a tar, with no instruction installations.
[12:28] <hateball> francisv: all you need to do is untar to a desired location
[12:28] <francisv> and then?
[12:28] <francisv> I have done that
[12:28] <francisv> tried to run the executables
[12:28] <hateball> francisv: and then make sure the firefox binary is chmod+x, and run it
[12:29] <francisv> I have done that, when I run it, it says that the Ubuntu Firefox home page is ready
[12:29] <francisv> It is a message from Firefox 55
[12:30] <hateball> francisv: *how* do you run it?
[12:30] <JuJuBee> brainwash: I have tried 2 fresh installs this morning and both times after BIOS I get blinking underscore in upper left corner.  Never get grub menu
[12:30] <hateball> francisv: you can't have 2 versions of firefox running at once unless you use separate profiles
[12:30] <francisv> From Terminal: ./firefox-bin
[12:31] <GivenToCode> is it possible to install a library version that is default in 16.04 on a 14.04 host?
[12:32] <GivenToCode> in this case fuse. fuse is 2.9.2 in 14.04, I'd like to upgrade to 2.9.4 without having to upgrade to 16.04
[12:32] <brainwash> JuJuBee: can you test your live USB with a different PC?
[12:33] <JuJuBee> Don't have another one I can reinstall on
[12:33] <BluesKaj> if it's BIOS it's live dvd/cd
[12:34] <BluesKaj> unless he's using plop
[12:34] <brainwash> GivenToCode: why is fuse 2.9.4 needed?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, did you set autologin for grun?
[12:35] <Johnson1977> I need help setting up a network
[12:35] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: no
[12:35] <BluesKaj> grub rather
[12:35] <brainwash> GivenToCode: you can try and install newer package versions, but you may need to update certain dependencies also
[12:35] <Johnson1977> I need to have internet access via wifi, and share this internet to a static configured ethernet connection
[12:35] <Johnson1977> How do I do this?
[12:35] <brainwash> GivenToCode: not recommended though
[12:35] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: I burned the iso using unetbootin.
[12:36] <Johnson1977> I set the static on the ethernet connection, but as soon as I connect, I lose internet
[12:36] <BluesKaj> do you have other drives/partitions ?
[12:36] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: 4 drives several partitions
[12:36] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, unetbootin is unrelaiable
[12:37] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: when I use StartupDiskCreator it never boots the usb device
[12:37] <francisv> hateball: Creating a profile with `firefox -P' allowed me to open Firefox ESR.  Thank you.
[12:37] <geirha> !inetsharing | Johnson1977
[12:37] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, make sure you have the drive with ubuntu as first in the boot sequence in the NIOS
[12:37] <BluesKaj> BIOS evem,m
[12:38] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: I do, but there are 2 partitions with ubuntu.  I keep / and /OLD so I can do fresh installs without losing the previous install just in case
[12:38] <hateball> francisv: cool beans :)
[12:38] <JuJuBee> Also so I can copy/move configs etc to new install
[12:39] <BluesKaj> whynot just use / and /home and set the mountpoint for /home without formatting during the partition phase
[12:39] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: what would you use to create live usb
[12:39] <BluesKaj>  I use dd
[12:40] <BluesKaj> does your BIOS allow usb boot ?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> or is it UEFI?
[12:41] <JuJuBee> This box is 11 years old, pretty sure BIOS and yes it allows it since I can boot the live USB when I use unetbootin to create it
[12:42] <Johnson1977> ubuttu No that didnt work
[12:42] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, odd my HP iks 8 yrs old , there's no usb boot option
[12:43] <JuJuBee> I have one, I promise and built this box in 2006
[12:45] <BluesKaj> interesting, wonder what BIOS version has that option...anyway try dd to create a bootable iso on your usb...research dd a bit and you'll find various parameters that you can use with it
[12:45] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee,^
[12:52] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: using dd now, thanks.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, it's a handy method
[12:53] <JuJuBee> I see that now, but if you make a mistake...
[12:54] <GivenToCode> brainwash, there was a bug fix in 2.9.3
[12:54] <hateball> The usual mistake people do is dd to a partition rather than device, which means the device has no bootloader in MBR and wont boot
[12:56] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: no joy, used dd and does not boot to usb
[12:57] <BluesKaj> did you unmount the usb before using dd command?
[12:58] <joaopaulosr>  Hello guys, can somebody help me with a trouble? I used to have a external GPU in my desktop and needed to remove it. After this I got stuck with a wrong resolution mode 1024x768 despite my 1920x1080 monitor.
[12:59] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: yes
[13:01] <Johnson1977> Ok no luck with the internet sharing
[13:01] <Johnson1977> I am able to either connect to the static ethernet, and then lose internet
[13:01] <Johnson1977> or connect to wifi, but then I have no local access to ethernet
[13:01] <Johnson1977> anyone?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, you're fairly expereinced in linux , do some research. make sure you have the command correct etc
[13:02] <Doc-Saintly> I installed Ubuntu on my machine when Secureboot was enabled. I've since disabled it, but mokutil --sb-state still shows it enabled.
[13:02] <Doc-Saintly> How do I have Ubuntu update itself accordingly?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Doc-Saintly, secure boot isn't controlled by the OS, that's UEFI/BIOS setting
[13:14] <Doc-Saintly> BluesKaj: I thought the same. And after looking closer I noticed that the setting I changed was the "Default Secure Boot" and that the actual Secure Boot status wasn't directly editable. I had to clear the keys first.
[13:14] <Doc-Saintly> BluesKaj: Thanks :)
[13:15] <steven> eh can I check the compile flags used to create packages somehow ?
[13:19] <tehstormcrow> hi how could i install vim themes while using vim in ubuntu terminal?
[13:21] <steven> use a plugin manager such as vundle, pathogen, plug, u name it.
[13:21] <tehstormcrow> but i can't see them properly colors are so wierd
[13:21] <tehstormcrow> much different then what it shows in screenshots
[13:22] <steven> then your vim is not configured properly, which is not the scope of this channel :)
[13:22] <scottjl> or your terminal theme doesn't have the same ANSI colors set
[13:23] <scottjl> red in your terminal might have a different value than the screen shot you're looking at
[13:23] <tehstormcrow> scottjl, how do i get the ANSI color thing ?
[13:24] <scottjl> tehstormcrow: check your terminal application's settings. look for theme or such. then look for the ANSI color section
[13:24] <vlt> Something something TERM=something-256colors
[13:24] <geirha> also, vim's default colours assume your terminal emulator is using a bright background. If you're using a dark background, try   :set bg=dark
[13:25] <scottjl> there's basically a lot of places to tweak to get vim's themes set up, which could affect colors for regular shell use as well
[13:26] <fossxplorer> Newbie to Ubuntu, how can i avoid apt-get removing stuff like here https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/L-IEnspmZ1EPaizWjRe-9g?
[13:26] <fossxplorer> I'd like to keep my docker-ce:armhf + iptables, but still be able to install LXC/LXD
[13:26] <scottjl> fossxplorer: apt isn't removing them, only telling you that it's not in use by anything and can be removed
[13:27] <scottjl> oh the docker stuff. sorry. didn't read down far enough
[13:27] <fossxplorer> scottjl, yeah :)
[13:27] <scottjl> strange. don't see why lxd conflicts with docker. i've got both installed.
[13:28] <fossxplorer> But i installed Docker using Docker's own repo, but Ubuntu's :)
[13:28] <fossxplorer> That's probably why
[13:28] <fossxplorer> The 16.04's version of Docker is too old for me.
[13:29] <scottjl> shouldn't matter. i use the ce repo too
[13:29] <fossxplorer> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/~1hwe2cTLk-gPzxPrPDfxA , btw, this is on arm
[13:29] <scottjl> ah
[13:29] <fossxplorer> :)
[13:29] <fossxplorer> Ubuntu on Amlogic S912 :)
[13:30] <fossxplorer> I'm new to apt stuff, just used to yum :)
[13:31] <fossxplorer> Is there a way to exlcude some packages in a config?
[13:31] <fossxplorer> I do that usually with exclude=docker* in /etc/yum.conf on RHEL systems _:)
[13:31] <scottjl> you can pin
[13:31] <scottjl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[13:32] <scottjl> you basically want a hold
[13:33] <scottjl> apt-mark hold docker-ce:armhf iptables:armhf
[13:35] <fossxplorer> Deps issues
[13:36] <fossxplorer> It looks like the shipped LXC tools depend on a specific iptables pacakges
[13:36] <fossxplorer> and the installed iptables pacakge version is an dependency for Docker-ce so when removing, it wants to remove Docker too
[13:37] <scottjl> not surprising. it can be tricky to mix and match official repo and 3rd party repos dependencies
[13:38] <fossxplorer> Yeah. Is there way of forcing current iptables out?
[13:38] <scottjl> fossxplorer: try adding --nodeps
[13:43] <neminis> hello, is there a daily netinst/netboot mini.iso i can download somewhere? or a 17.10 beta mini.iso?
[13:45] <ilmaisin> hello
[13:45] <ilmaisin> is it normal that localectl does not affect console keyboard layout at all
[13:48] <wabbits> hi #ubuntu
[13:49] <wabbits> I'm planning to install pulseaudio 11 on Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS this week
[13:50] <wabbits> got me wondering about how packages installed from source coexist with distro packages.
[13:50] <scottjl> varies.
[13:50] <scottjl> and why don't you install 16 lts?
[13:51] <wabbits> I will but not for a couple of months
[13:52] <wabbits> Is there a way to override a dependancy?
[13:56] <hateball> installing source compiled things over distro packages is asking for breakage
[14:01] <wabbits> that is what i have understood for many years
[14:01] <wabbits> every place I have worked we have had to do it.
[14:01] <fossxplorer> sudo apt-get  download lxd-tools  lxd  lxc-templates  lxc2 lxc1 &&  dpkg --force-all -i /*.deb was the solution scottjl
[14:02] <scottjl> fossxplorer: what a mess, glad you got it working.
[14:03] <fossxplorer> scottjl, yeah it is, but on this arm box it's ok, i can live with it since it idles at ~3W .)
[14:03] <scottjl> nice
[14:04] <wabbits> thanks hateball and scottjl
[14:13] <Pinkamena_D> something is wrong with gnome calculator on fresh 17.04 install on kaby lake. The text field (where the numbers appear) does not render. It shows what window was behind it when the program is started and glitches out after trying to use it.
[14:15] <Pinkamena_D> I also had this problem with gedit because my profile folder had an old theme in it which was not installed. Removing the dot folder in my home directory fixed the issue. However for the calculator there is not really a profile type issue I could find.
[14:15] <brainwash> bug 1662617
[14:16] <brainwash> Pinkamena_D: you use xim?
[14:16] <Pinkamena_D> no, I am not sure what that is
[14:17] <brainwash> input method engine
[14:17] <brainwash> similar to ibus
[14:17] <brainwash> the linked bug report mentions it
[14:18] <Pinkamena_D> brainwash: I see - I glazed over the ubottu response before.
[14:18] <Pinkamena_D> I will try that, thank you.
[14:22] <Dani-hp> Any security-team member here?
[14:38] <zamba> i'm trying to mirror a http directory structure over ftp using lftp
[14:38] <zamba> can someone give me some pointers on how to accomplish this?
[14:38] <zamba> what i have so far: lftp -e "mirror -c" http://<ip>/<path>
[14:38] <zamba> this mirrors just fine locally, but i want this to be mirrored over ftp
[14:39] <wabbits> these are the reverse dependencies for pulseaudio, its a bit daunting. https://pastebin.com/iQdPLPQe
[14:50] <nicomachus> does thunderbird log anywhere? I had an email send 3 times and idk why.
[15:00] <ioria> nicomachus, anything in   Tools  ->  Developer Tools -> Error Console  ?
[15:01] <nicomachus> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25472577/
[15:02] <nicomachus> the loading icon at the top of the inbox tab just keeps spinning too , like it's constantly trying to load something.
[15:05] <ioria> nicomachus, uncaught exception: 2147746065 means that it cannot identify the error ; might be a servers error (smtp, or imap/pop)
[15:09] <nicomachus> hmm...
[15:35] <DWSR> Hey all, how can I loop through the output of dpkg -l | grep <some package> and uninstall this via apt?
[15:39] <ioria> DWSR, probably with |   awk and xargs  (but  carefully)
[15:39] <nacc> i believe apt can also do regex (iirc)
[15:39] <nacc> so if you're just grepping for some package prefix/suffix, use appropriate *
[15:45] <DWSR> nacc: Forgot apt took wildcards. Thanks!
[15:51] <linux_user> Hello everyone! I am looking to temporarily disable my touch screen in Ubuntu Linux (16.04). I tried doing an xinput -list and then "xinput disable DEVICE", and it worked for about 5 minutes and then somehow the device got enabled again. Any ideas of how I could temporarily disable it (absent it coming back on without my telling it too), but not surviving a reboot is fine for me too.
[15:55] <SunOS> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:55] <SunOS> how to fix that
[15:56] <jhutchins_wk> SunOS: Figure out what the error was, fix it.
[15:56] <nacc> SunOS: please use a pastebin and paste the full message
[15:56] <nacc> SunOS: and command used
[15:56] <jhutchins_wk> SunOS: If you want help you'll need to provide more context like the command you ran and the complete output.
[15:57] <SunOS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25472847/
[15:57] <SunOS> that what i do
[16:03] <TheWild> hello
[16:04] <TheWild> can someone tell me why Live session of this f**ker Ubuntu hangs after being left unused for ~20 mins?
[16:04] <TheWild> I would blame hardware but it rarely hangs when it is in use.
[16:04] <nacc> SunOS: can you try `sudo apt purge sa-compile; sudo apt install sa-compile` ?
[16:04] <TheWild> It was in the process of important computations and 5 hours were wiped.
[16:12] <swift110> hey all
[16:13] <pavlos> TheWild: maybe it ran out of memory. Live sessions run on memory.
[16:13] <tgm4883> TheWild: important computations and live sessions don't mix
[16:13] <SunOS> nacc, 10x
[16:14] <TheWild> yesterday I pushed it harder and it didn't hang.
[16:15] <tgm4883> TheWild: solar flares then?
[16:15] <TheWild> Suspend when inactive for: Don't suspend.
[16:16] <TheWild> About a week ago I was checking RAM using memtest. No problems... except that the computer randomly shuts down during test when I'm not looking.
[16:17] <tgm4883> TheWild: randomly shutting down during a memtest is generally not a healthy sign
[16:18] <TheWild> tpm4883: thing is that shutting down was happening even years ago and only when no concrete OS was loaded.
[16:18] <tgm4883> !tab | TheWild
[16:18] <TheWild> right, sorry
[16:19] <tgm4883> TheWild: So this random shutting down thing has been happening for years even when no OS was loaded, and now it happened in a live session and you're wondering why it's Ubuntu's fault?
[16:20] <TheWild> shutting down does not happen when OS is loaded. When there was Windows here, it didn't shutdown. It didn't even hang.
[16:21] <tgm4883> TheWild: So it only shutdown when you didn't have an OS loaded. Like during a memtest right?
[16:21] <TheWild> yes
[16:22] <tgm4883> TheWild: and then just recently, it shutdown in a ubuntu live session when you were doing some computations?
[16:24] <TheWild> tgm4883: no, the laptop was still on but Ubuntu was unresponsive. Mouse pointer wasn't moving, no chance to switch to tty.
[16:25] <TheWild> rebooting through SysRq/B worked though.
[16:25] <tgm4883> TheWild: ok
[16:25] <tgm4883> TheWild: so in both cases, you had issues with it when taxxing the system
[16:25] <tgm4883> TheWild: and it's a laptop. You having heat issues maybe?
[16:26] <m5w> ioria, 2017 version works; thanks!
[16:27] <TheWild> tgm4883: hmmm... chances are, but if this is heat problem, I would rather expect really hard unresponsiveness that even SysRq couldn't handle. But since SysRq works, I assume Linux works; it is just unwilling to serve me.
[16:28] <TheWild> nvm, I'm leaving it now for a while and hope it does not hang.
[16:28] <neminis> hello, really great improvement in graphics on 17.10
[16:29] <SunOS> nacc,  so when i try to do sudo apt install sa-compile
[16:29] <SunOS> still get the same error
[16:29] <nacc> SunOS: after purging?
[16:29] <SunOS> yeap
[16:31] <nacc> SunOS: i'm not sure, sorry -- and am doing some other stuff right now, so am distracted. Maybe someone else can help debug it
[16:31] <SunOS> ;)
[16:32] <nacc> SunOS: i think the scripts run are logged, but i'm not usre ( you can check syslog, e.g.). You might also be able to run them by hand
[16:32] <SunOS> ah
[16:32] <ducasse> SunOS: 'apt policy sa-compile', pastebin the output
[16:33] <SunOS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25473156/
[16:36] <m5w> Is there a good way to get xz 5.2 on 16.04?
[16:38] <swift110> SunOS: do you use sunos
[16:38] <SunOS> no
[16:40] <swift110> oh ok
[16:45] <TheWild> tgm4883: maybe this is a problem of DM. I'll stop it when leaving the laptop for night.
[16:49] <Squarism> when you switch computer, do you somehow set it up using some package information on previous computers? Say you allways install git, mysql-5.5 etc, spotify. So instead of manually installing them again, do you keep some executable recipe?
[16:50] <ducasse> Squarism: i use apt-clone now and then
[16:52] <Squarism> ducasse, ok, ill check it out
[16:54] <on3pk> Hi.  I'm trying to add an IP to the fail2ban whitelist.  There is a bit notice in /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf that says not to modify that file.  Which file *should* I modify?
[16:58] <pavlos> on3pk: http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Whitelist
[16:58] <Simonious> I want screen, tried, got this: https://pastebin.com/AcGe7Eae This is on a beagleboard running ubuntu or kubuntu, please advise.
[16:59] <on3pk> pavlos: right, there just seems to be a disconnect between the instructions on the wiki, and the "you should not modify this file" notice in the file itself
[17:03] <pavlos> on3pk: yes, there is a disconnect.
[17:05] <minimec> Squarism: MAke a backup of the 'lists' folder, create a new one and do 'apt update/upgrade again' --> first steps: sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/ /var/lib/apt/lists-old && sudo mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/
[17:06] <minimec> Squarism: sorry ;)
[17:06] <minimec> Simonious: Make a backup of the 'lists' folder, create a new one and do 'apt update/upgrade again' --> first steps: sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/ /var/lib/apt/lists-old && sudo mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/
[17:22] <pavlos> on3pk: seems fail2ban parses a /etc/fail2ban/jail.local file so you could try and add the ignoreip in there
[17:24] <fartface> I'm having a weird issue trying to SSH into a box.  I keep getting the "ECDSA host key for <host> has changed" and it's saying possible dns spoofing detected.  I've completely removed my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, and this _still_ comes up, saying the offending line is ~/.ssh/known_hosts:1.  What the hell?
[17:26] <jhutchins_wk> on3pk: Check /usr/share/docs/fail2ban* for README files.
[17:33] <pavlos> fartface: you deleted your local known_hosts, right?
[17:38] <sirru5h> Howdy Everyone
[17:39] <hitman1> sirru5h: I'm good.
[17:39] <sirru5h> That's great hitman1
[17:40] <sirru5h> I been so busy I had not had time to update my ubuntu box, so just finished all that up
[17:41] <hitman1> which version ?
[17:42] <sirru5h> 17.07
[17:42] <sirru5h> I run it on a netbook that the HD died so I use an external HD.. oh battery died out as well. Works though
[17:43] <sirru5h> I had to make the priority on the swap much higher so it runs a bit smoother
[17:45] <sirru5h> hitman1, what do you run mate?
[17:46] <nacc> sirru5h: hitman1: please take chitchat to a differnt channel, thanks!
[17:46] <leftyfb> sirru5h: there is no 17.07. Maybe you mean 17.04?
[17:46] <sirru5h> np
[18:11] <sven^> heya. I have an ubuntu 14.04 laptop which hangs at the 'Ubuntu ....' screen while booting. Same for recovery kernel. I booted into a live stick and found no obvious error messages in /var/log/{syslog,kernel.log}
[18:11] <sven^> what can I try next?
[18:12] <xteejx> Hi all. How do I diff multiple files? I essentially want to merge these five parts of a transcript so I can then calculate the word error rate for each one against the merged version.
[18:13] <xteejx> https://pastebin.com/ALHazpy6
[18:25] <Johnson1977> Im still struggling to connect to a raspberry via ethernet (static) to the internet
[18:26] <Johnson1977> I am running ubuntu 16.04, and have internet on wifi
[18:26] <Johnson1977> but as soon as I make the ethernet connection, i lose internet
[18:27] <Johnson1977> how can I have internet on my pc (ubuntu), and a staticly configured ethernet connection to the raspberry, that also shares the internet connection to the rasperry
[18:27] <magkneetoe> hey I have MATE but I like the way it is easier for me to access and find apps in GNOME or UNITY with the search feature and pop up box. Any suggestion on how to get at least a search feature? or add the tab-like interface that GNOME/UNITY have?
[18:28] <pavlos> magkneetoe: there is a mate search tool under Places ...
[18:32] <dougquaid> I'm trying to compile a package that requires a specific version of libpcap. When I'm doing ./configure, how can I tell it that the version of libpcap it wants is in ~/libpcap ?
[18:38] <tgm4883> magkneetoe: in mate tweak, you can "enable launcher" under "panel" then you can ctrl+space to bring up a search box
[18:40] <znull> any howto to upgrade ubuntu 12.10 to 14.x ?
[18:41] <tesla_> isn;t 14 EOL already?
[18:41] <tgm4883> !eol | znull
[18:41] <tgm4883> tesla_: not 14.04
[18:41] <tesla_> oh
[18:41] <nacc> tesla_: 5 years of support
[18:41] <znull> tgm4883, well 12.x is eol too
[18:41] <tgm4883> znull: did you read that link?
[18:42] <ducasse> !eoupgrade | znull
[18:42] <nacc> znull: more importantly, 12.10 has been EOL for ... years?
[18:42] <znull> tgm4883, reading now
[18:42] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | znull
[18:42] <znull> nacc, old server..
[18:43] <tgm4883> znull: being a server usually means it's more important to stay up to date, not less
[18:44] <znull> tgm4883, of course, but my friend forgot to do the upgrades,
[18:49] <magkneetoe> tgm4883, thanks! i had also figured out  ATL+F2 but this is better
[18:51] <adrian_1908> If I have enable the proposed repository to get a certain software, can I disable the repo again if I want to avoid further proposed updates to be installed, or would this roll back the installed software to lower version numbers?
[18:55] <kostkon> adrian_1908, you can but be careful what you do with it
[18:57] <adrian_1908> kostkon: could you elaborate? Do you mean because of security updates? I only used it to install Firefox, which lags several versions behind in 17.10, but I don't want my installation to more cutting edge than it has to be.
[18:57] <nacc> adrian_1908: given that 17.10 doesn't exist yet, you're about as cutting edge as you want
[18:58] <adrian_1908> nacc: yes, but isn't "proposed" even more experimental, i.e. stuff that might not make it into the release?
[18:58] <nacc> adrian_1908: sure, which is why you shouldn't use it.
[18:58] <nacc> adrian_1908: i believe this was just discussed on teh ML, for the exact reason of FF
[19:00] <nacc> adrian_1908: the issue is you've already installed an unsupported sw from -proposed. So you should remove it. What happens if FF never migrates (unlikely, but more likely for other software). Once 17.10 is out, you're possibly running unsupported software
[19:00] <adrian_1908> nacc: I see, I was worried it would be something like that.
[19:01] <ducasse> adrian_1908: also, support for 17.10 happens in #ubuntu+1
[19:03] <Sbur3> Anyone wanna direct me to a benchmark that works under Ubuntu?
[19:04] <tgm4883> Sbur3: a benchmark for what
[19:04] <nacc> Sbur3: have you tried looking for any (e.g., `apt search benchmark`)?
[19:04] <Sbur3> tgm4883: For everything.  I am just curious to see what I can learn about the speed of my computer
[19:05] <Sbur3> nacc: I wasn't aware that there was a function "search"
[19:05] <nacc> Sbur3: `man apt`
[19:05] <nacc> Sbur3: or use the GUI tools, which have pretty search boxes
[19:06] <Sbur3> nacc: I'm a noob, as you probably know by now ...
[19:06] <kostkon> Sbur3, https://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
[19:06] <Sbur3> kostkon: Free?
[19:06] <kostkon> Sbur3, afaik
[19:07] <Sbur3> kostkon: afaik?
[19:08] <nacc> Sbur3: short for "as far as I know"
[19:08] <Sbur3> nacc: tgm4883: kostkon: I have an i3 on a LGA1155.  I have 8GB, split on two RAMs.  I am upgrading soon to 2x8GB
[19:08] <nacc> Sbur3: i'm not sure why benchmarking is relevant
[19:08] <Sbur3> Wanting to see the difference
[19:08] <nacc> Sbur3: so you want to know what the idfference in performance is between having 8 and 16GB of RAM?
[19:09] <Sbur3> nacc: Because I'm a curious noob
[19:09] <Sbur3> nacc: Not just that
[19:09] <nacc> Sbur3: i doubt you'll see a perofrmance change unless you are hitting swap all the time
[19:09] <Sbur3> nacc: I want to play around with something that can be interesting, can teach me something, and won't destroy the computer
[19:11] <nacc> Sbur3: you definitely can destroy a computer by mucking with hardware
[19:11] <Sbur3> nacc: I'm not saying that I am sane, but whatever
[19:11] <nacc> Sbur3: ok, well, all of this is not really ubuntu support, in any case
[19:11] <pavlos> Sbur3: sudo apt install hardinfo ... gives you system info and some benchmarks. More memory wont make a diff
[19:12] <Sbur3> pavlos: I had installed something on virtualbox.  Saw memory at 95%, if I'm not mistaken
[19:13] <ioria> not sure a vm is the right place to stress hw
[19:13] <Sbur3> pavlos: Let me be curious ... I'm 51, so I'm old
[19:13] <pavlos> Sbur3: sure, if you created a VM with 1GB ram, you might see 95% usage. Bump memory to 4GB and you wont see that
[19:14] <tgm4883> IMO, benchmarks aren't going to tell you much if you don't have a fundamental understanding of what the different pieces of hardware do
[19:14] <Dom`> Hey, I'm having problems with apache. It's showing PHP as text files. The permissions are right, I tried reinstalling libapache2-mod-php. I have no idea what to do. Any help? :)
[19:14] <Sbur3> pavlos: I don't know what happened, but in any case, I'm replacing the 2x4Gb that I have for 2x8GB
[19:14] <Sbur3> Whatever
[19:14] <Sbur3> Thx everyone
[19:17] <ioria> Dom`, are you on xenial ?
[19:17] <Dom`> uh
[19:17] <Dom`> 16.04.03
[19:18] <ioria> Dom`,  apt-get install libapache2-mod-php7.0   and restart apache service
[19:18] <Dom`> libapache2-mod-php7.0 is already the newest version (7.0.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1).
[19:18] <nacc> ioria: -php depends on -php7.0
[19:18] <nacc> ioria: and the preferred package is -php for future upgrades
[19:18] <ioria> nacc, ok
[19:18] <nacc> (speaking as the pseudo-maintainer :)
[19:19] <ioria> Dom`,  have you restarted apache ?
[19:19] <Dom`> Yep
[19:19] <Dom`> It worked, but I was messing with apache2.conf doing some bullshit
[19:20] <Dom`> So I purged and installed
[19:20] <Dom`> Now it's all weird.
[19:20] <nacc> Dom`: what did you purge?
[19:20] <Dom`> apache2 and the mod
[19:21] <ioria> Dom`,  purged or removed ?
[19:22] <Dom`> isn't sudo apt-get purge apache2 enough?
[19:22] <ioria> guess so
[19:23] <nacc> Dom`: can you pastebin `apachectl -D DUMP_MODULES` ?
[19:23] <Dom`> nacc: php is not loaded ;o
[19:24] <Dom`> https://pastebin.com/2ZvFnFQw
[19:24] <ioria> Dom`,   php7.0-mysql php7.0-curl php7.0-json php7.0-cgi  php7.0 libapache2-mod-php7  are installed ?
[19:24] <Dom`> ioria: yep
[19:26] <nacc> Dom`: right, try: `a2enmod php7.0`
[19:26] <nacc> Dom`: might need an apache2 restart after that
[19:26] <Dom`> Did it, I got: "Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details."
[19:26] <Dom`> After restart
[19:27] <Dom`> sec
[19:27] <ioria> Dom`,   sudo systemctl restart apache2
[19:27] <Dom`> https://pastebin.com/ifnGsbMF
[19:27] <Dom`> ioria: same thing..
[19:28] <nacc> Dom`: ok, so your config is wrong
[19:29] <ioria> Dom`,  the apache.log ?
[19:29] <nacc> Dom`: (per apache2)
[19:29] <ioria> Dom`,  /var/log/apache2
[19:30] <Dom`> nacc: it should be default?
[19:30] <Dom`> since I didn't change it at all
[19:30] <Dom`> after reinstall
[19:30] <Dom`> ioria: error.log show's nothing
[19:30] <ioria> Dom`,   .1 ?
[19:30] <Dom`> ?
[19:31] <Dom`> config looks okay..
[19:33] <nacc> Dom`: configtest (per your paste) is stating quite clearly your config is invalid
[19:33] <Dom`> yeah, but how
[19:33] <Dom`> I just reinstalled it
[19:33] <nacc> Dom`: i don't know what you changed before, perhaps you added a file?
[19:34] <Dom`> nacc: how did it work before I did `a2enmod php7.0`
[19:34] <Dom`> how did that fuck it up
[19:34] <Dom`> o.o
[19:34] <nacc> Dom`: hrm?
[19:34] <nacc> Dom`: and please watch your language in the channel
[19:35] <Dom`> oh, sorry.
[19:35] <ioria> Dom`,   what commands you issued  to reinstall ?
[19:35] <Dom`> nacc: Apache worked before I did `a2enmod php7.0`. But it showed PHP as a text file. Now it won't even start.
[19:35] <Dom`> ioria: purge and install
[19:36] <Dom`> I'm so confused. :(
[19:36] <ioria> Dom`,  the exact command , please (you can use different commands)
[19:36] <Dom`> sudo apt-get purge apache2, sudo apt-get install apache2
[19:37] <ioria> Dom`,  ok, and what about php ?
[19:37] <Dom`> same, but instead of apache2, I used libapache2-mod-php
[19:38] <nacc> the latter won't purge it's dependencie, iirc
[19:38] <ioria> Dom`,  idt it's correct
[19:38] <nacc> Dom`: in any case, i'm guessing you have installed non mpm or whatever for apache
[19:38] <nacc> and that is incompatible with php
[19:39] <nacc> Dom`: so when you enable php, it fails to start, as expected
[19:39] <Dom`> ah
[19:40] <Dom`> Oh man why did I mess with the stupid config files.
[19:42] <Dom`> Fixed it
[19:43] <Dom`> disabled mpm_event, enabled prefork
[19:44] <nacc> Dom`: yep, sounds right :)
[19:45] <Dom`> Thanks for the help :)
[19:45] <nacc> Dom`: yw :) -- i recommend VMs or containers for messing with configs
[19:46] <Dom`> Yeah, I'm trying to install something, and it's just really messy
[19:46] <dougquaid> :q
[19:59] <Johnson1977> anyone that can help me with some networking
[20:00] <Johnson1977> I have a ethernet connection set to static/manual, and I need to share wifi internet with it
[20:04] <rypervenche> Johnson1977: NetworkManager should be able to do that.
[20:05] <Johnson1977> I don't know, I set the ethernet to manual
[20:05] <Johnson1977> but as soon as I connect, I lose the internet from the wifi
[20:48] <Glamdesk> !eolupgrades
[20:52] <evcxvrr> this the support place
[20:53] <Glamdesk> evcxvrr: Yep. Though I'm just a visitor, here to look up EOL upgrades.
[20:53] <evcxvrr> anyone doing support here
[20:54] <Glamdesk> Dunno. Best etiquette is to ask the question and wait to see if someone answers.
[20:54] <evcxvrr> i deleted my ubuntu partition and when i boot it shows grub rescue
[20:54] <evcxvrr> i cant boot the ubuntu usb
[20:55] <evcxvrr> the windows repair disk commands dont work
[20:55] <evcxvrr> im trying to just boot into windows now
[21:05] <konrados> hi! I have a few apps when I start the system - like 'kalarm' or 'alarm clock'. I don't remember how I set them up to autostart. I know they are located in /etc/xdg/autostart - I guess I could simply remove those files, but... I would like to first try doing this the right way - with gui - the way I first added them there - do you know how?
[21:06] <konrados> I think I clicked everywhere I could :)
[21:17] <glitsj16> konrados: something called "Startup Applications" should do the trick
[21:17] <psychoticwarrior> yea start up applications fixed my sound problem
[21:17] <konrados> glitsj16, thing is it doesn't - I tried it
[21:18] <psychoticwarrior> pulseaudio -D
[21:18] <konrados> but it isn't there...
[21:19] <glitsj16> konrados: hmm, any errors when you try to start that from a terminal? What desktop environment are you using?
[21:20] <flying_sausages> hey guys, my ufw is acting up when it comes to using ftp. I have vsftpd running on port 21021, passive ports assigned, all of them allowed on both tcp and udp and it still doesn't work. Issue only happens when UFW is on. any thoughts? Got the config, log and ftptest here https://pastebin.com/raw/0NeNFs3f
[21:20] <glitsj16> konrados: or are you looking for a specific app that isn't shown when you run "Startup Applications"?
[21:21] <konrados> glitsj16, KDE. Not sure what do you mean I should start in terminal...? The "Startup applications" application works fine, there is one program (dropbox). It manages the ~/.config/autostart/ dir.
[21:21] <konrados> glitsj16, yes, I'm looking for "kalarm"
[21:21] <konrados> glitsj16, I know it is in the "/etc/xdg/autostart" directory
[21:22] <konrados> But I want to remove it with GUI, not by removing this shortcut file
[21:22] <psychoticwarrior> you should run a locate for the program
[21:22] <psychoticwarrior> then add it to start up applications
[21:22] <konrados> psychoticwarrior, I want to *remove* an app from the autostart :)
[21:23] <konrados> psychoticwarrior, using GUI
[21:23] <psychoticwarrior> apt autoremove <app>
[21:23] <psychoticwarrior> that might work
[21:23] <konrados> psychoticwarrior, no, I don't want to remove the app from the system (uninstall), I want to keep it, I just want it to NOT autostart
[21:23] <psychoticwarrior> oh ok
[21:24] <psychoticwarrior> try systemctl disable <app>
[21:24] <[n0mad]> if you're in ubuntu with unity i'm pretty sure there's not a default way to do such through a gui
[21:24] <glitsj16> konrados: I never use a GUI tool for that.. another 'safe' way to disable some app from autostarting is to cp the file from /etc/xdg/autostart to your user dir ~/.config/autostart and edit it to disable autostart
[21:24] <psychoticwarrior> systemctl should work
[21:24] <nacc> the kalarm package seems to ship two autostart related files, /etc/xdg/autostart/kalarm.austostart.desktop
[21:25] <[n0mad]> ubuntu-gnome has a gui way
[21:25] <nacc> and /usr/bin/kalarmautostart
[21:25] <nacc> [n0mad]: they are on kde, as they said
[21:25] <[n0mad]> oh
[21:25] <nacc> psychoticwarrior: only if it's a systemd unit, which it's not.
[21:25] <[n0mad]> nacc, you expect me to read? sorry
[21:25] <nacc> [n0mad]: :)
[21:25] <psychoticwarrior> oh ok
[21:25] <nacc> konrados: my guess is the /etc/xdg/autostart file trumps your local one
[21:28] <glitsj16> nacc: shouldn't the local one override the system-wide .desktop file? That is, if konradis has a local version of that and it is edited to  disable autostarting.. No?
[21:29] <glitsj16> s/konradis/konrados
[21:29] <konrados> nacc, not sure what 'trumps' mean :[ But, /etc/xdg/autostart/kalarm.austostart.desktop starts /usr/bin/kalarmautostart - the later is a program.
[21:29] <psychoticwarrior> update-rc.d <program> disable
[21:29] <psychoticwarrior> try that ^
[21:29] <nacc> glitsj16: true, that's what i'd expect
[21:29] <nacc> psychoticwarrior: are you just guessing? please stop.
[21:29] <nacc> psychoticwarrior: this is not about systemd/sysv/upstart scripts
[21:29] <psychoticwarrior> no you little bitch. im helping him out
[21:30] <elico> hey all.
[21:30] <elico> I encountered an issue on a 16.04 server. I installed the server with only sshd and then after quite some time it run's perfectly I installed using tasksel the mail server role.
[21:30] <elico> But then I didn't got any logs into /var/log/mail.* the files didn't exist at all. only after I created the files manually and applied the right permissions the logs started flowing into the log files.
[21:30] <konrados> glitsj16, nacc psychoticwarrior [n0mad] - ok, I guess I'll just remove the file from the autostart - i.e. move it somewhere. Thank you for your time!
[21:30] <glitsj16> konrados: do you have ~/.config/autostart/kalarm.autostart.desktop?
[21:30] <nacc> konrados: yeah, so i think that file (/etc/xdg...) is what is autostarting kalarm
[21:31] <psychoticwarrior> no problem bud
[21:31] <konrados> nacc, - yes, and I'll just remove it :
[21:31] <nacc> glitsj16: i think your suggestion of adding a ~/ file to override the system is the right choice
[21:31] <konrados> glitsj16, no, I don't, I have this file in /etc/xdg
[21:32] <konrados> nacc, glitsj16 - but the thing is I am *sure* I did not add those files by hand. I did it with GUI. Wait.......
[21:32] <konrados> sec....
[21:32] <nacc> konrados: what are "those files"?
[21:33] <nacc> konrados: you didn't add the /etc/xdg ones, yes. They are shipped by the kalarm package
[21:33] <konrados> yes, that ones, but sec...
[21:33] <elky> psychoticwarrior: i don't care who you're helping, don't be rude like that.
[21:34] <glitsj16> konrados: just "cp /etc/xdg/autostart/kalarm.autostart.desktop ~/.config/autostart" if the GUI doesn't show it, which is possible.. edit it with your favo GUI editor and make sure X-...-Autostart-enabled=false
[21:35] <nacc> konrados: i don't know much about the kde options for autostart, sorry. (GUI wise). I'd ask maybe in #kubuntu or #kde (the latter may be a little less responsive to an ubuntu-specific request, so just ask generally where autostart is configured on kde)
[21:37] <konrados> nacc, glitsj16 psychoticwarrior - I think I found something - I just right clicked on the app  - kalarm - as well two other apps I wanted to remove from autostart - and... all of them had a 'preferences' menu entry where I found sth like 'start automatically at login' :] So... now I'll reset the machine to see what I'll get. See you in 5 minutes!
[21:37] <nacc> konrados: nice catch, I was going to ask if that was how kde did it, but didn't have an instance in front of me to compare to
[21:38] <psychoticwarrior> ok cool bud
[21:47] <Glamdesk> So, I'm presently using an EOL version. What should I know that isn't already on the EOL Upgrades page of the wiki? I thought there was something about PPAs and upgrading, maybe?
[21:49] <nacc> Glamdesk: it's best/easiest to disable (really, I'd suggest purging) PPAs on upgrading
[21:50] <nacc> Glamdesk: tbh, how EOL?
[21:51] <Glamdesk> 16.04
[21:51] <Glamdesk> So I'm considering just paving.
[21:51] <nacc> Glamdesk: 16.04 is *not* EOL
[21:51] <Glamdesk> Oh. Hey, neat.
[21:51] <nacc> Glamdesk: it's supported until 2021
[21:52] <Glamdesk> Okay. Any suggestions for upgrading from 16.04 to current?
[21:52] <nacc> Glamdesk: do you have a specific need for upgrading to 17.04?
[21:52] <nacc> Glamdesk: note that 17.04 is only supported for 9 months, so you will need to keep upgrading approximately that often until 18.04 release
[21:52] <nacc> *releases
[21:53] <Glamdesk> 16.04 would be supported far longer?
[21:53] <Glamdesk> Main reason I would is if I wanted to start regularly upgrading.
[21:54] <nacc> Glamdesk: yes, 16.04 is an LTS with 5 years of support. 18.04 will be the next LTS, also with 5 years of support. All other releases are 9 months of support
[21:54] <Glamdesk> If it really doesn't matter much for a while, I guess I'll be happier not worrying about it for several versions, and just install a new one at 18.04 or 20.04 or so.
[21:54] <nacc> Glamdesk: what do you mean by "regularly upgrading"?
[21:54] <kostkon> Glamdesk, until 2021 that's plenty of time
[21:54] <nacc> Glamdesk: right, unless you have a specific need, just stay on LTS
[21:54] <nacc> Glamdesk: when 18.04 releases (18.04.1, technically), you'll be offered the upgrade
[21:55] <Glamdesk> "Regularly" would mean, like, about every 6 months, lagging slightly behind the present to let others take the plunge first.
[21:55] <Glamdesk> Okay, I'll just sit tight for now.
[21:55] <kostkon> Glamdesk, 16.04 is also getting hwe updates that means a new kernel and graphics stack every six months or so
[21:55] <kostkon> !hwe | Glamdesk
[21:55] <Glamdesk> Oh.
[21:56] <psychoticwarrior> whats up guys and gals
[21:56] <Glamdesk> Well, what the hey, sure, sticking with 16.04 indefinitely, though indefinitely probably runs out before the 5 years.
[21:56] <nacc> Glamdesk: it feels a bit circular -- "I'd upgrade now so I do regular upgrades". It doesn't sound like you have a driving need to be on the latest release, so I'd just stick to LTS :)
[21:57] <Glamdesk> It's more "it seemed like the thing to do."
[21:57] <nacc> Glamdesk: ah :) even less of a reason, IMO :)
[21:57] <Glamdesk> Yep.
[21:58] <Glamdesk> Upon such occasion in the future as it matters, those PPA purges. That also purges the little fiddly ones I've picked up for specific weird software, right?
[21:58] <nacc> Glamdesk: all PPAs are that, to me :)
[21:58] <Glamdesk> Fair enough.
[21:58] <nacc> Glamdesk: presuming it's actually a PPA and not a random repoistory, I think ppa-purge handles it
[21:58]  * Glamdesk nods.
[21:58] <nacc> Glamdesk: it might also handle random 3rd party repositories too, now, i'm not sure
[21:58] <Glamdesk> Would I need to go hunt them down again?
[21:59] <nacc> Glamdesk: i think you can pass it the string as configured currently (e.g., ppa:....)
[21:59] <nacc> Glamdesk: in an ideal world, ppa-purge has a '--query' flag to give you the PPAs it sees
[21:59] <nacc> dunno if that is true or not, though :)
[21:59] <kostkon> Glamdesk, you could ppa-purge the more "invasive", just in case, ones the rest will be disabled by Ubuntu during the upgrade process (not deleted)
[21:59] <Glamdesk> Okay, so I can probably figure out a lot by man ppa-purge or ppa-purge --help down the road anyway.
[22:00] <kostkon> ones*
[22:00] <konrados> nacc, glitsj16, psychoticwarrior - thank you very much again for your time! It worked. I appears the autostart settings for those apps is not centralized, like I expected, but instead I had to look for the right option in every single one of them. Thanks again!
[22:00] <nacc> Glamdesk: i think so, yeah
[22:00] <nacc> konrados: yw
[22:00]  * Glamdesk nods.
[22:01] <Glamdesk> On an even lighter note, while I don't presently have any great need to make my lubuntu more bloated than it is, it seems to me Linux has occasionally been home to some very peculiar interfaces. What are some of the more useful but weird ones? I think I've even seen one that gave you six desktops arranged in a cube.
[22:02] <glitsj16> Glamdesk: that would be compiz, in 16.04 the Unity iterface is in fact implemented as a compiz plugin
[22:03] <Glamdesk> Good example, then. I couldn't find any pages which listed these odd little things, though. Is there such a page I'm simply not spotting?
[22:03] <psychoticwarrior> no problem did you use update-rc.d <app> disable
[22:03] <Glamdesk> The only one I found of note was ratpoison
[22:03] <psychoticwarrior> something like that
[22:04] <glitsj16> Glamdesk: I don't know of any page that deals with this kind of stuff, but if you follow some ubuntu-related RSS feeds for example, you'll catch these developments sooner rather than later
[22:06] <Glamdesk> Aw well. I was kinda hoping for a comparison or listing. I suppose I could look for a community of Linux snobs and ask them, what crazy cruft have you enjoyed?
[22:53]  * eelstrebor guesses that he'll have to sell his HP pavilion if amd isn't going to fix the linux driver
[23:26] <grobend> k
[23:45] <Glamdesk> ducasse: It's not just a Cyberstorm problem. I tried running another program and it came out with no visuals to speak of too, except for the window border.