[05:11] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:00] <ducasse> morning!
[07:03] <EriC^^> morning ducasse !
[07:03] <EriC^^> how are you?
[07:05] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, good thanks - and you?
[07:05] <EriC^^> good too
[07:06] <ducasse> enjoying a quiet morning?
[07:07] <EriC^^> sort of
[07:08] <ducasse> raining hard here, supposed to get worse later in the day.
[07:12] <EriC^^> cool :)
[07:16] <ducasse> i like rain, so suits me fine. the cat isn't too happy, though :)
[07:17] <ducasse> hmm, a couple of stuck keys on this laptop...
[07:22] <EriC^^> whatever you do, don't pour alcohol on it
[07:23] <EriC^^> i recently got a stuck space bar, and put some alcohol, waited for like 30mins for it to dry, and turned the laptop back on and the keyboard stopped working, i thought 30mins would be enough and taking the keys off is hard
[07:23] <EriC^^> it's pretty easy to remove the keys, i'm not sure i'd entirely risk it myself, those things are kind of fragile
[07:23] <ducasse> i've got compressed air, i'll try that
[07:23] <EriC^^> sounds good
[07:25] <ducasse> seems fine now \o/
[07:25] <ducasse> good to start the day with a small victory :)
[07:27] <EriC^^> yay!
[07:27] <EriC^^> :)
[07:29] <ducasse> i need to find a place that sells isopropyl alcohol, i need to clean off some old thermal paste
[07:30] <ducasse> haven't found any locally, and i assume it's not ok to ship it by post
[07:38] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:41] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[07:41] <ducasse> all well?
[07:45] <EriC^^> hi lordievader
[07:49] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, EriC^. Doing good here, trying to figure our some vim + tmux issue.
[07:49] <lordievader> How are you guys doing?
[07:50] <EriC^^> doing good here thanks
[07:51] <ducasse> all quiet on this front
[07:57] <lordievader> :)
[10:46] <brunch> heya
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:08] <brunch> howdy BluesKaj
[11:08] <brunch> I'm trying out ubuntu 17.10
[11:08] <brunch> feels like it offers better performance that fedora
[11:08] <brunch> except for gnome, gnome is pretty terrible
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi brunch, yeah been testing fedora 26 KDE spin, not too impressed with nvidia driver support :/
[11:18] <brunch> games run ok in fullscreen mode
[11:18] <brunch> but there's this odd stuttering when loading new resources
[11:19] <brunch> on ubuntu gnome fullscreen doesn't give you good performance
[11:19] <brunch> but that might be the bug I'm experiencing using multiple monitors
[11:19] <brunch> can't disable the main one unless I do it manually with xrandr
[11:20] <BluesKaj> gonna give F27 KDE a try to see how it compares to Kubuntu Artful Beta 1, and so far beta1 has held up very nicely...not a gamer but movies run fine in vlc with my legacy gt218 gpu
[11:29] <BluesKaj> think i need to start planning a new pc build ...some of my HW is becoming left behind support-wise
[11:32] <daftykins> ooh-err
[11:32] <daftykins> hi all \o
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins
[11:32] <brunch> I'm going to get an amd computer next
[11:33] <brunch> nvidia is such a headache for me
[11:33] <daftykins> err that's a really bad idea, AMD is in a far worse situation than nvidia
[11:33] <brunch> is it?
[11:33] <brunch> What about those vegas?
[11:33] <daftykins> even if you got working drivers they're only decent for compute tasks
[11:34] <daftykins> the driver situation on Linux is very messy right now - and since 16.04
[11:34] <BluesKaj> I'm gona go with an intel cpu next time. maybe an i5 , amd is ok, but not up to speed IMO
[11:34] <brunch> :/
[11:34] <BluesKaj> been running amd for over 10yrs
[11:35] <daftykins> what problems do you have with nvidia? should be just 1) install OS, 2) install binary driver, 3) enjoy
[11:36] <brunch> my two biggest complains is having the system hang completely with mesa
[11:36] <brunch> aaaaaand its current incompatibility with wayland
[11:36] <BluesKaj> nvidia drivers are fine on kubuntu, fedora has a dependency pros with vidpau and nvidia-340 driver conflits
[11:36] <BluesKaj> conflicts rather
[11:37] <BluesKaj> and a very messy repos scheme
[11:38] <daftykins> have to agree with you there on the intel choice, BluesKaj - AMD may have finally made something decent but all the early adopters have essentially paid to help iron out the bugs for AMD
[11:38] <daftykins> brunch: ah i don't much care for anything until it's stable and mainstream :)
[11:38] <brunch> also, it feels like nvidia is being a huge burden in the open source community
[11:39] <brunch> it's like consuming nvidia I'm harming gamers
[11:39] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yeah that new amd cpu seems buggy from a lot of reports
[11:45] <daftykins> *nod* firmware updates to resolve RAM compatibility woes, yikes
[11:45] <daftykins> kernel panics or hard locks early on with Linux
[11:46] <brunch> isn't amd reclaiming?
[11:52] <daftykins> reclaiming what?
[11:53] <brunch> their faulty processors
[11:55] <daftykins> they're not faulty, they just pushed them out the door before they'd refined components of the motherboard BIOS'
[11:55] <daftykins> they just so desperately needed a win
[11:55] <brunch> oh
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, and amd certainly mucked up ati gpu linux support after buying them out
[15:08] <nacc> it's interesting that some lappy vendors are starting to do amd lappys again
[15:09] <daftykins> i've not had a good experience using one before, tbh... be they X2's from the past or A8/A10 and so on
[15:10] <EriC^^> i was kind of excited for ryzen mobile cpu's
[15:11] <EriC^^> (laptop)
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all guys
[17:42] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[17:42] <brunch> evening, lotuspsychje
[17:42] <ducasse> been at work?
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse and brunch
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: 2 days off, but been city walking/shopping
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> tomorrow order a w10 + office for a customer
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> updating artful :p
[17:47] <brunch> I'm on artful!
[17:47] <brunch> I'm trying to have both gnome and openbox running
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> http://imgur.com/a/nWNk4
[17:47] <brunch> can't get to start openbox if it isn't from the login screen
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> nice one brunch how you love it?
[17:47] <brunch> I really really like artful
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> same here
[17:48] <brunch> I used to be on fedora because the newer packages
[17:48] <brunch> but now I see artful actually has even newer packages
[17:48] <brunch> !
[17:48] <brunch> man, screw selinux :P
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> brunch: like wich?
[17:48] <brunch> like git
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !info git artful
[17:48] <brunch> git's 2.14 here, it was 2.13 in fedora
[17:48] <ubot5`> git (source: git): fast, scalable, distributed revision control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.14.1-1ubuntu3 (artful), package size 3814 kB, installed size 32288 kB
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> cewl
[17:49] <brunch> I'm just spotting a couple of bugs in gnome
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> feel free to share url?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> i only found 2 in all stages
[17:49] <brunch> like changing the multi-screens at system settings
[17:49] <brunch> it just laughs at me and does nothing
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> and 1 was early
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> brunch: perhaps with the Xwayland?
[17:50] <brunch> so I'm just using xrandr to disable my laptop screen to use the hdmi one as primary
[17:50] <brunch> that seems to work
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah or arandr
[17:51] <brunch> also, there's this thing in gnome3 which forces vertical sync so games run like arse unless they're fullscreen in fedora
[17:51] <brunch> but fullscreen doesn't work in ubuntu either, it's always terrible framerate :/
[17:51] <brunch> it does work fine in openbox though, so there's that
[17:52] <brunch> I want to launch it with startx but screen gets no output...
[17:52] <brunch> Wish I knew more about how startx works
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> brunch: might be of wayland not ready yet?
[17:52] <brunch> is ubuntu using xwayland already?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> brunch: found few screen glitches here aswell
[17:53] <brunch> I'm not using wayland... I think
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> brunch: ps -e | grep X
[17:53] <nacc> brunch: it is an option, and will be the default (iirc)
[17:53] <brunch> yeah I'm using X
[17:54] <brunch> not a big fan of wayland yet since the nvidia drivers didn't work in fedora
[17:54] <brunch> although they are a lot more recent in the ubuntu ppas so... who knows!
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> brunch: you seeing indicators yet in right upper corner in gnome?
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> brunch: got them enabled by gnome-tweak-tool but not seeing anything there
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> evening EriC^^
[17:56] <EriC^^> evening lotus
[17:56] <EriC^^> how's it going
[17:56] <EriC^^> ?
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> great here, playing with artful desktop :p
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://imgur.com/a/nWNk4
[17:57] <EriC^^> looks good (Y)
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[17:59] <EriC^^> there's a movie out 8/10 imdb
[17:59] <brunch> lotuspsychje, yeah! Try telegram
[17:59] <EriC^^> "maze"
[18:00] <EriC^^> about a prison break, true story
[18:00] <EriC^^> i tried to d/l it from zooqle.com today but the actual file was a different movie
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> looks good
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: there's another prison movie i wanna see aswell
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its about a guy that becomes criminal in prison
[18:02] <EriC^^> older movie?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> no will come out soon i think
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> shot caller
[18:02] <EriC^^> aha cool
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4633690/
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> i just love prison movies :p
[18:03] <EriC^^> ah i saw it
[18:03] <EriC^^> i mean the d/l
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> and any good?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> ah
[18:03] <EriC^^> it's been out for a while
[18:04] <EriC^^> try this maybe https://zooqle.com/%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB-%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%83-shot-caller-2017-bdrip-avc-%D0%BE%D1%82-hellywood-itunes-wdq1y.html
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> gonna look both, maze looks awesome
[18:05] <EriC^^> direct streaming here http://movienight.ws/shot-caller-2017/
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[18:13] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.93.98 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> bbl