[00:01] <m0nkey_> Tuesday isn't going to be fun.
[00:01] <m0nkey_> Filling and a tooth being pulled.
=== Chrisfu- is now known as Chrisfu
=== davmor2_ is now known as davmor2
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <acheronuk> davmor2: ah. you lurk in here as you are in UK as well. handy to know :P
[08:27] <davmor2> acheronuk: and I have and irssi proxy so it will mail me if you ping when I'm not here too :D
[08:55] <foobarry> what linux books would you personally recommend to a complete beginner?
[08:55] <zmoylan-pi> what are they going to be using linux for?
[08:58] <foobarry> science
[08:58] <foobarry> doing their MSc
[08:58] <foobarry> http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/files/ten-steps-to-linux-survival.pdf
[08:58] <foobarry> think i found the basic beginner book i need
[09:00] <foobarry> hmm except all the examples he uses are for a guy who has suddenly been told to administer machines
[09:01] <foobarry> yeah thats the wrong book to use
[09:06] <diplo> Depends what he is using linux for I guess, you say science, but is he running CLI apps or is gui based etc
[09:07] <diplo> I've just moved a good friend who has just split up with her boyrfriend to linux ( really old laptop! ) with lubuntu and in the last two months after initial showing her I've had one call with issues
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> linux has gotten much more accessible. last time i set up a printer it took less than 5 minutes...
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a linux for dummies?
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> a little bit of everything
[09:19] <diplo> yeah probably best I'd say, but I'd say if specific sciency stuff, maybe need to write some specific docs for them as numptyish as you can ?
[09:22] <foobarry> its for a teaching intro to linux class
[09:22] <davmor2> foobarry: what linux are they using, what are they using it for?
[09:22] <foobarry> i wanted to recomend books for further reading but most are a bit dry or for sysads
[09:23] <foobarry> basic stuff, logging into a server, catting, gzipping, cd'ing around, editing files in nano, scp'ing
[09:23] <foobarry> i've written a short course but wanted to rec a further reading guide
[09:24] <davmor2> foobarry: take the free linux foundation course on edx and forget the book
[09:24] <foobarry> i think i tried that before and got spammed relentlessly and foudn the course tedious (but then again, i've been using for 25 years)
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a university has put together a linux guide for newbies that's available online for that?
[09:25] <davmor2> foobarry: if they need a book then look to ones endorsed by the linux foundation they tend to be begginery enough
[09:26] <davmor2> foobarry: right but it isn't for you right it is for a beginner
[09:26] <davmor2> foobarry: and that is what the course is tailored for
[09:36] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: i am the university :D but yeah they/we do, just not as professional
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> maybe we're doing it wrong for this generation and maybe they just need a pointer to a youtube channel instead of a book?
[10:53] <foobarry> yeah there are some ok youtube vids
[10:57] <foobarry> can't remember the channel i found before that was good beginner level
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> videos are a bit more handholding for beginners but also can show the harder topics well
[10:59] <foobarry> done by an american woman but not nixie
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> whereas books tend to go from dick and jane have a ball to here's the source code with a smidge of a gap in the middle...
[15:20] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/Z40AsPaktzw
[15:20] <diddledan> bah, I didn't get the time included in the url
[15:21] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/Z40AsPaktzw?t=60
[17:14] <m0nkey_> diddledan: I think I'll get it in blue.. https://corpshadow.biz/bizstore/apu-combo-kits/apu12c4-blue-combo-kit.html#/218-enclosure_type_-labelled/361-storage_-32gb_msata_ssd_module
[17:17] <daftykins> woot
[17:18] <daftykins> hmm i had someone down in Spain reconfigure the ISP supplied fibre router into dumb mode, then our one of those APU machines should have PPPoA auth'd fine, but it's not online it seems
[21:24] <diddledan> https://www.nylas.com/blog/sunsetting-nylas-mail-development
[21:24]  * zmoylan-pi adds this to diddledan's reading list... :-P https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075DYXZW1
[21:25] <diddledan> haha, wat?!
[21:25] <diddledan> err. I can't not odd
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> systemd is now offically a dirty word... :-P
[22:19]  * diddledan surrounds himself in all the foam he borrowed off popey 
[22:20] <diddledan> it's sooo close
[23:53] <diddledan> popey: foam launches, downloads stuff as the user directs, but can't launch those stuff thereafter - also the inbuilt browser is blank :-(