[05:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:18] <ducasse> morning
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:10] <ducasse> hi lordievader, wb
[07:11] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you doing?
[07:13] <ducasse> good, thanks - going out to an optician appointment soon. how are you?
[07:14] <lordievader> Doing good here, doing some typing practice :)
[07:15] <ducasse> ah, are you using some software for it?
[07:17] <lordievader> ktouch, practicing colemak.
[07:19] <lordievader> By default it is quite rigid, 180 characters per minute and an accuracy of >=98% to continue to the next lesson.
[07:19] <ducasse> why colemak? i have no idea what the advantages are..
[07:20] <lordievader> The most  used letters are on the homerow, it is supposed to make your typing more efficient.
[07:21] <lordievader> Qwerty is designed to be as non-efficient as possible ;) (I'm paraphrasing)
[07:23] <ducasse> well, prevent the pins that strike the paper in a typewriter from locking, yes :)
[07:24] <ducasse> the reason i've never looked into something like dvorak is that i started typing early enough that qwerty has 'always' been in muscle memory
[07:24] <lordievader> Same here ;)
[07:26] <ducasse> i think i'm also too lazy to put in the effort, but i wish you good luck :)
[07:31] <lordievader> Hahaha, thanks.
[07:32] <ducasse> btw, do you use any android apps for reading ebooks? any suggestions? i see fbreader is popular, but not sure if it's worth buying.
[07:38] <lordievader> I use an ipad for reading. Don't think Marvin is available on Android.
[07:39] <ducasse> no, i've heard about it but don't think it is. i'll try out fbreader with ads and see how it looks.
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> afternoon guys
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> found new artful bug
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> #1715604
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> bug 1715604
[10:30] <ubot5`> bug 1715604 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update-manager does not expand details" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715604
[10:35] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:01] <ducasse> wb BluesKaj
[11:01] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:11] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: playing with artful on business desktop here
[11:13] <BluesKaj> right, how is it so far, using gnome a I presume?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: for me, fantastic yes in gnome with dash to dock fork
[11:14] <BluesKaj> dock fork?
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: http://imgur.com/a/nWNk4
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: they forked the addon and added by default to have a more 'unity' feeling
[11:15] <BluesKaj> ahh
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so thank god its not only the activities button alone anymore
[11:17] <BluesKaj> I went back to VDs on kde/plasma, activities was too clunky and slow
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you got chromium installed on artful?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> i got keyring unlock password every time i launch chromium
[11:27] <ducasse> i have chromium, yes, but i haven't seen that. probably because i don't have they keyring daemon running ;)
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> aha
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows about mms stuff?
[14:52] <daftykins> picture messaging? :) the tech that nobody wanted
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: have a customer that gets a timeout when receiving or sending a pic tru mms
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> doublechecked all APN settings with a provider tech
[14:52] <daftykins> with what kind of phone?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> samsung galaxy a3 2017
[14:53] <daftykins> hmm i'd say it was the telcos problem to support
[14:53] <ducasse> ask the provider to send him the profile again?
[14:53] <daftykins> eh you just key 'em in manually
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: could it be that his activation of new sim is recently done?
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> from yesterday
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: provider made a new ticket also
[14:54] <daftykins> nah if mobile data works i'd have thought MMS would work... but who uses MMS? :)
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> lol, those who refuse to send pics tru email/wifi
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> he's 60 y old, that explains it?
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> oldskool paying is better right :p
[14:57] <daftykins> there's always the ol' customary reboot after editing settings i suppose
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah we tryed that too
[14:57] <daftykins> much sooner use whatsapp and send pics and messages for free
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: webpage from provider also says to send 1 mms to own number to activate
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> but that also timeouts
[15:03] <ducasse> i'd talk to the provider, there's not much you can do anyway
[15:03] <daftykins> *nod*
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah ill do that, ticket is being made anyways
[15:03] <ducasse> give 'em hell!
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> of course, customer complains his old nokia could send mms no probs
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> so i said, it was another provider also..
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> cant generalize things like that
[15:04] <daftykins> yes and his old morse code generator could function on the telegraph pretty well too
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:04] <daftykins> :>
[15:10] <ducasse> .---. -....-.  -.--. .---.  ..--.- --- -.--.- -..-. .---. -....-....-.-...-.-
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> haha
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> ... --- ...
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> S.O.S.
[15:22] <ducasse> another idea, convert his images to ascii then send those as sms
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> i still got a tamtam here
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> and send smoke messages over tha mountains
[15:23] <daftykins> :>
[15:23] <daftykins> given 160 characters per message how many messages would a 640x480 black and white pic require to send? :>
[15:24] <ducasse> ok, then, compress and uuencode it
[15:26] <daftykins> i need to write a work invoice, boo
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: good luck!
[15:26] <daftykins> ;D
[15:27] <daftykins> i keep all my hours in a notepad, nice analog method
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> if its on recycled papaer its ok :p
[15:27] <daftykins> hehe, i think i bought this notepad when i was at Uni, so that's 12 years
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> thats still from a tree then :p
[15:28] <daftykins> i'm innocent, sir ;_;
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> we are the innocent victims of throw away society
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> made in china
[15:32] <ducasse> uh-oh, enemy cat outside!
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:32] <daftykins> ACTION STATIONS!
[15:32]  * daftykins dives in the cat bed
[15:33] <ducasse> gone now :)
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> gonna go eat croque madam guys
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one :p
[15:34] <ducasse> ok, enjoy!
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> tnx ducasse
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> laterz daftykins
[15:35] <daftykins> \o
[15:37] <ducasse> i think i'll play with calibre, transfer ebooks to the tablet
[16:41] <brunch> I strongly dislike gnome3
[16:42] <brunch> I miss unity :(
[16:42] <nacc> brunch: then install it?
[16:42] <daftykins> go LTS :)
[16:42] <nacc> brunch: it's still in universe
[16:42] <brunch> I'm forcing myself forward
[16:42] <brunch> but I don't feel like gnome is ready yet
[16:42] <brunch> games run like arse
[16:43] <brunch> I tried KDE, which runs smoother but I just can't wrap my head around the lack of hotkeys
[16:43] <brunch> and I'm too lazy to install some plugins to make it run like unity
[16:48] <brunch> I also miss utouch
[16:48] <brunch> hopefully snap becomes the main thing, I'm rooting for that as well
[16:49] <daftykins> happy with normal packages myself
[16:51] <BluesKaj> dunno anything about sanp
[16:52] <BluesKaj> snap even :-)
[17:06] <EriC^^> evening all
[17:06] <brunch> evening EriC^^
[17:06] <EriC^^> hey brunch
[17:15] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[18:19] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[18:19] <EriC^^> wb
[18:28] <oerheks> :-)
[18:28] <EriC^^> hey oerheks :)
[18:29] <oerheks> Hi EriC^^, just made diner, brb
[18:31] <EriC^^> cool, bon apetite :)
[18:49] <BluesKaj> was away for a few mins at the neighbourhood mailbox...junkmail and flyers are still plentiful :-)
[18:51] <BluesKaj> paper advertizing still has it's uses
[18:59] <BluesKaj> was reading about anew audio client/server called Pipewire that's supposed to replace alsa and pulse audio on fedora
[19:02] <ducasse> plus gstreamer, aiui - it's also for video. and not alsa, i think, wasn't it jack?
[19:05] <oerheks> pipewire, interesting, from the Fedora guys
[19:07] <BluesKaj> the emphasis seemed to be on audio ..video was only mentioned in passing
[19:09] <ducasse> video was the original goal according to the stuff i read. who cares, i adopt a 'wait and see' approach to this.
[19:26] <immu> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/06/20/fedora-workstation-26-and-beyond/
[19:27] <immu> https://pipewire.github.io/pipewire.org/
[19:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, it looks some kind of video/audio integration to replace pulse and gstreamer as a real media suite
[19:39] <immu> lets see
[19:39] <immu> goog nite folks
[19:39] <immu> EriC^^, hi