=== micahg_ is now known as micahg === JanC is now known as Guest49554 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:02] o/ [15:02] o/ [15:04] o/ [15:05] o/ [15:05] #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team [15:05] Meeting started Thu Sep 7 15:05:10 2017 UTC. The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:05] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: [15:05] o/ [15:05] o/ [15:05] #topic Lightning rounds === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Lightning rounds [15:05] echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther) [15:05] cyphermox rcj fginther bdmurray tribaal infinity sil2100 rbalint doko mwhudson philroche tdaitx xnox Odd_Bloke slangasek [15:05] I totally did not cheat to go first. [15:05] please believe me. [15:06] artful: [15:06] - more shim-12 build fixes [15:06] - needs more work; it's not booting. :'( [15:06] - netplan: fix systemd generator crash if called directly (bug LP: #1714267) [15:06] xenial: [15:06] - wpa SRU for "device not ready" (bug LP: #1576024) [15:06] other stuff: [15:06] Launchpad bug 1714267 in nplan (Ubuntu) "segfault on bad usage of generator" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714267 [15:06] Launchpad bug 1576024 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Xenial) "Wifi "device not ready" after booting into OS for the 1st time" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576024 [15:06] - ubiquity reviews/merges [15:06] - gave feedback to slashd on modernizing the pcp package [15:06] - image testing [15:06] (done) [15:06] cyphermox, and you totally didn't cheat to get steve last [15:07] rcj: [15:07] tdaitx: happy coincidence, I was too lazy to sed him out of the list today [15:07] rcj: [15:07] * Public holiday [15:07] * Meetings with Cloud partners [15:07] * Assisting with build failures for cloud-images [15:07] * Updating cloud-image tools to replicate new LXD-based buildd env [15:07] (done) [15:07] (fginther is out) [15:08] bdmurray: [15:08] A couple of holidays [15:08] confirmed apport update on the production error tracker was good [15:08] tested and uploaded Xenial and Zesty fixes for xfsprogs (LP: #1696102) [15:08] merged update-manager MP fixing livepatch ngettext issue (LP: #1714489) [15:08] merged update-notifier MP fixing livepatch ngettext issue [15:08] overrode some update-manager false positive ET regressions [15:08] Launchpad bug 1696102 in xfsprogs (Ubuntu Zesty) "xfs/073 test fails with Metadata corruption detected on xfs file system (xfsprogs)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696102 [15:08] Launchpad bug 1714489 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Can't translate singular" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714489 [15:09] tested gdm3 vs lightdm lock screen issue, reported it (LP: #1715435) [15:09] triaged systemd slow boot bug (LP: #1713984) [15:09] reviewed seb128's update-notifier MPs regarding wayland (LP: #1697381) [15:09] reported bug regarding touchpad not staying disabled (LP: #1715479) [15:09] installed artful daily images and xenial desktop to check /boot size [15:09] Launchpad bug 1715435 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Can't lock screen with keyboard shortcuts when using lightdm" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715435 [15:09] reported bug regarding plymouth not accepting passphrase (LP: #1715490) [15:09] Launchpad bug 1713984 in systemd (Ubuntu Artful) "started raise network interfaces - times out" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713984 [15:09] Launchpad bug 1697381 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Artful) "update-notifier segfaults under wayland (trying to use xorg clipboard to see if it's already started)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697381 [15:09] ✔ done [15:09] Launchpad bug 1715479 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Touchpad won't stay disabled after resuming from suspend" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715479 [15:09] Launchpad bug 1715490 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "pretty version of plymouth won't accept passphrase" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715490 [15:09] xnox: [15:09] progressing with debugging scalingstack datasource issue with netplan images [15:09] progressing with subiquity i18n [15:09] fixing glibc xlocale.h fallout, too low shlibs generation [15:09] complete ocaml mini-transition with frama-c/ocaml [15:09] fixing adt tests from ifupdown drop [15:09] #HIGHLIGHT glibc2.26 uploaded, regressions are being fixed in proposed at the moment [15:09] #HIGHLIGHT cloud images without ifupdown are being debugged on clouds with mixed results [15:09] done [15:09] * [Highlight] Artful vagrant images now have a "vagrant" user on top of the default "ubuntu" user. That should provide the vagrant community with an experience more consistent with their expectations, and streamline the usual vagrant workflow and tools. [15:09] * Lots of new code is being added to ubuntu-image, so some time was spend on reviews there. [15:09] * Looked at a xenial AWS image problem where grub config would come back as having differences after updating a kernel, when no differences should exist. [15:09] * Windows (!) machine setup for "A Project™". Why people would choose Windows as a development environment is blowing my mind in a bad way. [15:09] (done) [15:10] it was totally not xnox's turn [15:10] Tribaal, totally jumped the gun [15:10] he's still young ... [15:10] i lame bdmurray [15:10] infinity not around [15:11] I guess it's me? [15:11] - Prepared, tested and released WALA 2.2.16 [15:11] - uvp-monitor: [15:11] * Cleaned up copyright, did some minor fixes related to autostart [15:11] * Some additional testing done on the T-Systems instances [15:11] * Prepared FFE for including the new package into the Ubuntu archives [15:11] - Poking the LP team about a py3 bug in lazr.restfulclient [15:11] - With that fixed ^, proposed changes to kernel-sru-review to make it work with ESM [15:11] - ubuntu-image: [15:11] * Synced up on u-i classic progress [15:11] * Merged in the hook API branch to classic, fixed up some tests [15:11] * Initial review of the classic builder branch [15:11] - Regular SRU reviews [15:11] - Prepared google-cloud-sdk 169 for partner [15:11] (done) [15:12] * lot of on-off image preparations [15:12] * Debian uploads: wireshark, libcec, several go packages [15:12] * xnox * blame, not lame [15:12] * (highlight) finished major update to unattended-upgrades on Debian & Ubuntu side, please test (LP: #1714019, LP: #1690980, etc.) [15:12] Launchpad bug 1714019 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "Please merge unattended-upgrades 0.96 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714019 [15:12] yy [15:12] Launchpad bug 1690980 in OEM Priority Project "unattended-upgrades does not block shutdown of system, as it is designed to" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690980 [15:12] (done) [15:12] - worked on getting gcc-X/Y building with glibc-2.26 [15:12] integrated patches upstream [15:12] - backport ppc64el patch to fix ffmpeg miscompilation [15:12] - tried to cross-build glibc-2.26 / cross-toolchain-base, [15:12] currently fails with linker error. [15:12] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cross-toolchain-base/18ubuntu1/+build/13343473 [15:12] - update the maven packages to get into a consistent shape, [15:12] still some build failures. [15:12] - Drop the obsolete _pyFPE extension from python2.7 and 3.6. Seen when [15:12] original working on the SRU LP: #1638695. [15:12] Launchpad bug 1638695 in python2.7 (Ubuntu Xenial) "Python 2.7.12 performance regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638695 [15:12] - elfutils update [15:12] - MIR's [15:13] (done) [15:13] - Partner cloud automated tests of images build in new build environment [15:13] - Cloud images build system vanguard [15:13] (done) [15:13] tdaitx: [15:13] * Investigating LP: #1710674 with new user info [15:13] - setting up environment to reproduce the issue [15:13] * Checked LP: #1714956, but user has not provided reproducer, not much to go on [15:13] * Created recipe to build openjdk-8 with slowdebug, but needs more testing [15:13] - installed binary needs to be manually stripped and gdb forced to use debug/source location; weird since it works fine in the normal product build [15:13] Launchpad bug 1710674 in openjdk-8 (Ubuntu) "Segmentation fault in os::write_memory_serialize_page " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710674 [15:13] * Looking into a few build failures for java apps due to maven version [15:13] Launchpad bug 1714956 in openjdk-8 (Ubuntu) "OpenJDK segfaults randomly when running jenkins" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714956 [15:13] - following up on mail thread about it [15:13] - ebourg suggested additional flags for the build [15:13] * Other [15:13] - running some work stuff from lxd container, had some trouble with apparmor and pulseaudio, rtkit was to blame (good riddance) [15:13] - today is a holiday, will swap it later [15:13] (done) [15:14] xnox: 2nd round? [15:14] see above [15:14] done [15:15] #topic Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Bugs [15:15] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:15] [link] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:15] hrm. [15:15] [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:15] no feedback I guess [15:16] I added bug 1715490 there [15:16] bug 1715490 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "pretty version of plymouth won't accept passphrase" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715490 [15:16] But I wonder if it isn't something with kvm and virt-manager [15:16] It happened with artful and xenial [15:16] yeah, I saw weird thigns with plymouth lately, I was wondering if it was qemu [15:19] Do we think the importance is correct? [15:19] yeah, I suppose so [15:19] it's correct for my use case anyway :) [15:21] cyphermox: plymouth hangs with qxl driver [15:21] cyphermox: there is a bug if you want soemthing to track or chime in [15:22] cpaelzer: ta, let's do this off-meeting [15:30] ok, moving on to tracking bugs [15:30] [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:31] there are two bugs there to Canonical Foundations team, do we want to assign to specific people? [15:31] assign to the absent, since they can't object? [15:32] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: AOB [15:33] any other bidnes? [15:33] cyphermox, I scheduled a discussion about tracking for Monday, we can figure out a plan then. [15:33] please get -proposed clean [15:33] cool [15:33] doko: +1 [15:33] * sil2100 will try to help with that [15:33] maybe it's just the autopkg testers needing to catch up, but ... [15:34] * rbalint too [15:34] k [15:34] there are a lot of failing autopkg tests [15:34] * rbalint is also processing ftbfs ones [15:34] what about that issue xnox noticed with NM and glibc? [15:34] is there a record which ones we overrode before? [15:34] is that somethign we should be concerned about? [15:34] cyphermox: migrate glibc now, and investigate later? [15:35] we will find new ftbfs with a test rebuild anyway, so better start that early [15:35] that's not a ftbfs though [15:35] no, but the xlocale.h ones [15:35] cyphermox, filed a bug upstream against dpkg. [15:35] ok [15:36] cyphermox, somehow network-manager manages to get a Version Reference without any any of the dynamic symbols from a higher up glibc version. I have no idea how common this is. [15:37] doko: this concerns me, re: upgrade process; maybe not for NM just yet, but eventually we might hit some package that needs libc, but libc not yet upgraded [15:38] it depends on the order in which things will run? [15:38] as in, if network-manager is a unique snowflake that manages to use no new dynamic symbols. [15:39] sure, but that can be sorted out later, or you'll have to do a search of the whole release pocket for those symbols now [15:39] doko, yes. [15:39] doko, as discussed on the call.... [15:39] are you volunteering? [15:39] oops, muted [15:39] then is this the kind of thing we can avoid in the future with careful application of autopkgtests? [15:40] doko, well yeah. i filed a bug upstream, it is reproducible in debian, so will see. [15:40] xnox: #? [15:42] anything else? [15:43] xnox: do you have a reduced test case for that symbol issue? [15:43] doko, not quite no. as there are no new dynamic symbols used, yet somehow a higher version dep gets added. [15:44] that's the thing, it's not necessarily easy to make a reduced test case for this when we don't know why it comes up this way [15:45] (so my question wrt. autopkgtests for glibc was about is this catchable by some carefully crafted autopkgtest in glibc watching for its own symbols and whether dpkg-gensymbols or whatnot does the right thing [15:45] * cyphermox shrugs* [15:45] doko: xnox: good to close the meeting or do we want to dsicuss this more? [15:46] no [15:46] alrighty then [15:46] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:46] Meeting ended Thu Sep 7 15:46:27 2017 UTC. [15:46] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-09-07-15.05.moin.txt [15:46] thanks everyone! [15:54] Thanks o/ === JanC_ is now known as JanC [20:05] Do I have the wrong time/place for the membership board meeting? [20:06] This is the time I have too, so I doubt it [20:06] Alright, thanks Wild_Man [20:07] your welcome [20:15] hi there [20:16] apologies, during work hours for me so I was caught in another meeting, checking if we have board member quorum now... [20:16] pleia2, no problem, understood! [20:17] Hello! [20:18] Jeez popey, why are you awake? [20:18] Oh it's not TOO late I guess [20:18] hehe [20:18] :) [20:18] At an UbuCon social event :) [20:18] Right, what's on the cards today? [20:18] Ah, lovely [20:20] #startmeeting Membership Board Meeting [20:20] Meeting started Thu Sep 7 20:20:03 2017 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:20] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Membership Board Meeting | Current topic: [20:20] #chair popey Wild_Man marcoceppi [20:20] Current chairs: Wild_Man marcoceppi pleia2 popey [20:21] welcome everyone :) [20:21] o/ [20:22] Wild_Man, o/ [20:22] ok, so we have an agenda up here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A20:00_1st_Thursday [20:22] kyrofa is the only one on the agenda this time around, welcome kyrofa :) [20:22] let's get right into this [20:22] Hey, thanks :) [20:22] Oh. Him [20:23] ;) [20:23] #topic kyrofa membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Membership Board Meeting | Current topic: kyrofa membership [20:23] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KyleFazzari [20:23] kyrofa: feel free to introduce yourself :) [20:24] * tsimonq2 waves [20:24] #chair tsimonq2 [20:24] Current chairs: Wild_Man marcoceppi pleia2 popey tsimonq2 [20:24] Sure thing, hey everyone. I recognize a few of you, perhaps you've seen me around. I'm a long-time Ubuntu user. My contribution efforts began more recently, with project Sputnik, Dell's effort to ship laptops preinstalled with Ubuntu. [20:24] It resulted in my authoring multiple touchpad driver patches for the Ubuntu kernel, which have since moved upstream. [20:25] I've since started working at Canonical, where I mostly work on snapcraft and Ubuntu Core. [20:25] kyrofa: I'm historically curious, in your work with the Sputnik project were you working with Dell, Canonical or an Ubuntu community effort? [20:25] (or a mix?) [20:26] pleia2, as a community contributor. The touchpad sucked ;) [20:26] hehe [20:26] I mean, who were you submitting bugs, etc to? [20:26] Oh right-- to the Sputnik LP project. Submitted patches to the Ubuntu kernel team mailing list [20:26] ah, neat [20:27] kyrofa: How long were you involved with that and how many patches came out of it? [20:28] tsimonq2, I worked on it until the touchpad didn't have any more issues, a few weeks probably. It was several years ago now, but I believe three patches came out of it [20:28] Ah ok [20:28] that's awesome, totally going to start telling people that you are responsible for the touchpad working well :) [20:28] :D [20:28] Indeed, great work there :) [20:29] Haha, thanks [20:29] as an early sputnik user, thank you ;) [20:29] kyrofa: also has a super beard. I think he left this off the application [20:29] kyrofa: I actually haven't heard much out of the ubuntu core/snapcraft world following lots of big announcements about robots and things, how is that going? [20:29] popey, ah darn, I should have put it on there [20:30] kyrofa, how long have you been working with snapd and snap-confine? [20:31] Wild_Man, I was on the snapd team for about 6 months. Longer if you count the random contributions I've been making while on other teams [20:31] awesome! [20:31] pleia2, it's going well-- still fairly young admittedly, but we're gaining traction [20:31] kyrofa: What sort of other things besides *snap* (I mean for these to be wildcards :P) stuff have you been involved in? [20:31] kyrofa: that's good to hear :) [20:32] tsimonq2, I was originally hired onto the Ubuntu API team, which is of course no more [20:33] Excuse me-- the Unity API team [20:33] kyrofa: Ah ok, what did that entail? [20:33] (i.e. what did you do?) [20:34] It was the C++ backend to the pretty Unity 8 front-end. My work revolved around the phone, the click scope, and in-app purchase [20:34] Ok, cool [20:35] Mostly scope work and helping write the pay service [20:35] I see [20:35] pleia2, marcoceppi, Wild_Man, popey: Any more questions, or shall we vote? [20:36] #voters Wild_Man marcoceppi pleia2 popey tsimonq2 [20:36] Current voters: Wild_Man marcoceppi pleia2 popey tsimonq2 [20:36] I have no further questions [20:36] +1 [20:36] Oops :) [20:36] +1 [20:36] #vote kyrofa for Ubuntu Membership [20:36] Please vote on: kyrofa for Ubuntu Membership [20:36] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:36] +1 [20:36] +1 received from popey [20:37] +1 [20:37] +1 received from pleia2 [20:37] Wild_Man: Please vote again ;) [20:37] +1 [20:37] +1 received from Wild_Man [20:37] +1 [20:37] +1 received from marcoceppi [20:38] +0, while I see a lot of nice work, I think a little bit more work can be done in Ubuntu Community :) [20:38] +0, while I see a lot of nice work, I think a little bit more work can be done in Ubuntu Community :) received from tsimonq2 [20:38] #endvote [20:38] Voting ended on: kyrofa for Ubuntu Membership [20:38] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [20:38] Motion carried [20:38] kyrofa: Congrats :) [20:38] Thank you [20:39] * tsimonq2 can do the adding to teams, announcements, etc. [20:39] kyrofa: Congratulations :) [20:39] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/H4CY1iOU [20:39] welcome, kyrofa! [20:40] Duh. Stupid cloud [20:40] Congratulations [20:40] Thanks everyone! What happens next, then? [20:41] kyrofa: Added to ~ubuntumembers, if you haven't seen it yet, here are the perks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership?action=show&redirect=UbuntuMembership#The_Perks [20:41] i.e. kyrofa@ubuntu.com will be yours, etc. [20:41] tsimonq2, how do I control where that points? [20:41] kyrofa: The default Launchpad address is what's set, although the Canonical sysadmins can manually change that [20:42] kyrofa: (it goes through a manual approval process) [20:42] thanks everyone, see you next time :) [20:42] o/ pleia2 [20:42] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:42] Meeting ended Thu Sep 7 20:42:31 2017 UTC. [20:42] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-09-07-20.20.moin.txt [20:42] Oh yeah, that :P [20:43] Alright, thanks tsimonq2, good to know [20:43] kyrofa: You're welcome, if you have any more questions, feel free to let me know [20:50] tsimonq2, how will I know when the alias is in place? [20:51] kyrofa: There's no definitive way to find that out, if you email it and it goes to the right place, it's working. [20:51] you don't get any notification, they generate them once or twice a week, I'd just try to email it from another address ;) [20:51] that :) [20:51] Haha, okay