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| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie Santa Looks like we should ship with KDE Applications 17.12 in b-series: https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Applications/17.12_Release_Schedule | 01:41 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> That means we should look to get KDE 4 removed from the archive before then, as upstream will have completely deprecated it. | 01:42 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Well, before 18.04 LTS final is released | 01:42 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> @tsimonq2, Nope | 08:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> what KDE4 would we still need? | 08:23 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> Oh, remove from archive, not our iso/meta. the archive may be a bit optimistic. | 08:25 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> It's just not true that "upstream will have completely deprecated it". They are thrird party applications still using it. | 08:26 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> yeah, I misread the intent there. don't think debian think it's 100% realistic to purge KDE4 for buster, though they want to get rid of as much as is doable | 08:27 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @Santa, KDE 4 | 11:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Not Qt 4 | 11:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Qt 4 is a lot harder to do | 11:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Same answer | 11:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> We could build a list and see what's the status of the frameworks port. | 11:19 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Regarding frameworks ffe I plan to handle a few autopkgtests regressions soon. | 11:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Also, probably today aftnernoon I will need to switch down gpul's server for maintenance. | 11:57 |
| BluesKaj | howdy all | 12:09 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Heyo Blues | 12:09 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @Santa, I'd beg to differ | 12:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> It's totally doable for 18.04 | 12:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Third party applications... We should port those off of KDE 4 | 12:22 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Debian already has a wiki page | 12:22 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> kdesudo is something I'll handle this weekend when I get my energy back | 12:23 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> How do you know that @tsimonq2 | 12:23 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> ? | 12:23 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Are you going to port all the applications which are not ported to frameworks? | 12:23 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @Santa, No, that's KDE Applications, the 17.12 release upstream deprecates KDE 4 | 12:24 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> That's why I brought it up | 12:24 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> We just remove anything in the archive that doesn't have a KDE 5 port but is maintained by KDE | 12:25 |
| BluesKaj | Hey ahoneybun, tsimonq2. Santa | 12:25 |
| blaze | there're still lots of third parties not being ported to kf5 | 12:26 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Also rushing removals won't lead to provide a good distribution, just the opposite. | 12:28 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> And removing kdelibs from the lts will make kubuntu an invalid platform to do kde4 -> frameworks porting | 12:28 |
| BluesKaj | womde if any of you devels has looked into PipeWire? I see fedora project is woking on it as a media suite for audio and video integration | 12:28 |
| BluesKaj | wonder if | 12:28 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> @tsimonq2, This way you will just harm yourselves once again. | 12:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @BluesKaj, o/ | 12:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Santa Additionally, there's a lot of work already done irt dropping KDE 4. Hell, I'd even call it doable this cycle | 12:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Qt 4 is a different story, like I said. | 12:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> With that, it's the whole archive, a lot of things depend on it | 12:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> @tsimonq2, Once again: no. We can't port all the stuff which isn't ported already. And removing packages are the last resource, not the first one | 12:31 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> @tsimonq2 I don't know that there is a big push to remove qt4 stuff | 12:41 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> There is a lot still depending on it | 12:41 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> Debian want to get rid of as much possible during buster. but not at any cost. | 12:46 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> It's going to be a lot of research on what can be removed | 12:48 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Plus buster is next release or the current wip? | 12:48 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> current wip for debian now stretch is released | 12:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Ahh ok | 12:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> but only at the very start of it. release date is likely a loooooooooong way off for it | 12:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Yea | 12:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Lol | 12:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> I would be happy with getting stuff off our iso and packageset. | 12:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Lower our ISO size a little | 12:52 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> not sure that effect would be too huge, but every little helps | 12:52 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Yea for sure | 12:53 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Mm wondering about flashing my laptop with Pop OS once it's out | 12:53 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> considering your situation, I would in your shoes. use this time to get familiar with your future stuff | 12:55 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> until you get a shiny new work machine! | 12:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I've used GNOME before and know a little | 12:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> XD | 12:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | * acheronuk is already jealous | 12:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Well I imagine it'll just be a desktop for work maybe | 12:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> staff discount then :P | 12:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Yea I would have no reason not to own one at that point lol | 12:57 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I'm sure my mind will be blown with the stuff they are keeping under wraps | 12:57 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Kde4, but that doesn't change the point. | 13:03 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> @Santa ack on frameworks. autotests are queued up with 1,000s of teste for glibc and perl anyway, so not a little wait is no issue | 13:05 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, Yes there is | 13:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <acheronuk> debian can afford to be more experimental in that regard in buster, given likely release schedule. we will have to be more conservative in such choices | 13:49 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Ok | 14:18 |
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| ahoneybun | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384455 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 384455 in Flatpak Backend "Does not list application name" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 15:04 |
| ahoneybun | \o/ | 15:04 |
| acheronuk | ahoneybun: can patch discover we have? | 15:05 |
| ahoneybun | well it's the backend package | 15:05 |
| acheronuk | I'll have a go in a bit | 15:05 |
| ahoneybun | plasma-discover-flatpak-backend | 15:06 |
| ahoneybun | that's only in artful | 15:07 |
| ahoneybun | acheronuk: ^ | 15:07 |
| acheronuk | ahoneybun: yes, but built from discover main source | 15:07 |
| acheronuk | also in backports AFAIK | 15:07 |
| ahoneybun | mm maybe? | 15:07 |
| ahoneybun | it's a simple line change I think | 15:07 |
| ahoneybun | https://cgit.kde.org/discover.git/commit/?id=fd16396d44bcf8ad1dee3081f16db5a454ac0808 | 15:08 |
| acheronuk | I magine it will be fine to apply, but will need to test | 15:08 |
| ahoneybun | of course | 15:08 |
| ahoneybun | if that is in backports for xenial I test it | 15:09 |
| acheronuk | nope. zesty only | 15:09 |
| ahoneybun | the package does not exist in normal zesty | 15:09 |
| ahoneybun | but in the backports? | 15:09 |
| acheronuk | yes | 15:09 |
| ahoneybun | ahh | 15:09 |
| ahoneybun | any way to backport flatpak updates? | 15:09 |
| acheronuk | flatpak itself? | 15:10 |
| ahoneybun | there is like 3 or so packages | 15:10 |
| acheronuk | ??? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/artful/flatpak | 15:11 |
| ahoneybun | https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/artful-flatpak | 15:12 |
| acheronuk | quite a bit newer. not sure about that | 15:14 |
| ahoneybun | alright np | 15:14 |
| acheronuk | I just tried the new konversation in flatpak, and it won't even run. think my Nvidia card messes it up and it needs a runtime extension to use nvidia | 15:17 |
| ahoneybun | I think Kube needs to be in Intel mode to run | 15:17 |
| acheronuk | https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Konvi2x#Flatpak | 15:18 |
| acheronuk | install, but won't run | 15:18 |
| acheronuk | oh. yes. now I think i remember that mentioned on Kube :/ | 15:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Gpul's server is up again. | 20:15 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Building zillions of i386 packages now with 12gb of ram instead of 4 | 20:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Niceee | 20:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> Great hardware upgrade. | 20:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Santa> I was having some headaches with some strong memory peaks. | 20:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @Santa, Ooooooh | 20:33 |
| valorie | great news, @santa | 20:39 |
| valorie | I heard some others wanting what you have built, in the #ubuntu-devel channel | 20:39 |
| valorie | so they could auto-test PPAs | 20:39 |
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