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 @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie Santa Looks like we should ship with KDE Applications 17.12 in b-series: https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Applications/17.12_Release_Schedule
 That means we should look to get KDE 4 removed from the archive before then, as upstream will have completely deprecated it.
 Well, before 18.04 LTS final is released
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 @tsimonq2, Nope
 what KDE4 would we still need?
 Oh, remove from archive, not our iso/meta. the archive may be a bit optimistic.
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 It's just not true that "upstream will have completely deprecated it". They are thrird party applications still using it.
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 yeah, I misread the intent there. don't think debian think it's 100% realistic to purge KDE4 for buster, though they want to get rid of as much as is doable
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 @Santa, KDE 4
 Not Qt 4
 Qt 4 is a lot harder to do
 Same answer
 We could build a list and see what's the status of the frameworks port.
 Regarding frameworks ffe I plan to handle a few autopkgtests regressions soon.
 Also, probably today aftnernoon I will need to switch down gpul's server for maintenance.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> howdy all
 Heyo Blues
 @Santa, I'd beg to differ
 It's totally doable for 18.04
 @Santa, Third party applications... We should port those off of KDE 4
 Debian already has a wiki page
 kdesudo is something I'll handle this weekend when I get my energy back
 How do you know that @tsimonq2
 ?
 Are you going to port all the applications which are not ported to frameworks?
 @Santa, No, that's KDE Applications, the 17.12 release upstream deprecates KDE 4
 That's why I brought it up
 We just remove anything in the archive that doesn't have a KDE 5 port but is maintained by KDE
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey ahoneybun, tsimonq2. Santa
[12:26] <blaze> there're still lots of third parties not being ported to kf5
 Also rushing removals won't lead to provide a good distribution, just the opposite.
 And removing kdelibs from the lts will make kubuntu an invalid platform to do kde4 -> frameworks porting
[12:28] <BluesKaj> womde if any of you devels has looked into PipeWire? I see fedora project is woking on it as a media suite for audio and video integration
[12:28] <BluesKaj> wonder if
 @tsimonq2, This way you will just harm yourselves once again.
 @BluesKaj, o/
 Santa Additionally, there's a lot of work already done irt dropping KDE 4. Hell, I'd even call it doable this cycle
 Qt 4 is a different story, like I said.
 With that, it's the whole archive, a lot of things depend on it
 @tsimonq2, Once again: no. We can't port all the stuff which isn't ported already. And removing packages are the last resource, not the first one
 @tsimonq2 I don't know that there is a big push to remove qt4 stuff
 There is a lot still depending on it
 Debian want to get rid of as much possible during buster. but not at any cost.
 It's going to be a lot of research on what can be removed
 Plus buster is next release or the current wip?
 current wip for debian now stretch is released
 Ahh ok
 but only at the very start of it. release date is likely a loooooooooong way off for it
 Yea
 Lol
 I would be happy with getting stuff off our iso and packageset.
 Lower our ISO size a little
 not sure that effect would be too huge, but every little helps
 Yea for sure
 Mm wondering about flashing my laptop with Pop OS once it's out
 considering your situation, I would in your shoes. use this time to get familiar with your future stuff
 until you get a shiny new work machine!
 I've used GNOME before and know a little
 XD
 Well I imagine it'll just be a desktop for work maybe
 staff discount then :P
 Yea I would have no reason not to own one at that point lol
 I'm sure my mind will be blown with the stuff they are keeping under wraps
 Kde4, but that doesn't change the point.
 @Santa ack on frameworks. autotests are queued up with 1,000s of teste for glibc and perl anyway, so not a little wait is no issue
 @ahoneybun, Yes there is
 debian can afford to be more experimental in that regard in buster, given likely release schedule. we will have to be more conservative in such choices
 @acheronuk, Ok
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[15:04] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384455
[15:04] <ahoneybun> \o/
[15:05] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: can patch discover we have?
[15:05] <ahoneybun> well it's the backend package
[15:05] <acheronuk> I'll have a go in a bit
[15:06] <ahoneybun> plasma-discover-flatpak-backend
[15:07] <ahoneybun> that's only in artful
[15:07] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: ^
[15:07] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yes, but built from discover main source
[15:07] <acheronuk> also in backports AFAIK
[15:07] <ahoneybun> mm maybe?
[15:07] <ahoneybun> it's a simple line change I think
[15:08] <ahoneybun> https://cgit.kde.org/discover.git/commit/?id=fd16396d44bcf8ad1dee3081f16db5a454ac0808
[15:08] <acheronuk> I magine it will be fine to apply, but will need to test
[15:08] <ahoneybun> of course
[15:09] <ahoneybun> if that is in backports for xenial I test it
[15:09] <acheronuk> nope. zesty only
[15:09] <ahoneybun> the package does not exist in normal zesty
[15:09] <ahoneybun> but in the backports?
[15:09] <acheronuk> yes
[15:09] <ahoneybun> ahh
[15:09] <ahoneybun> any way to backport flatpak updates?
[15:10] <acheronuk> flatpak itself?
[15:10] <ahoneybun> there is like 3 or so packages
[15:11] <acheronuk> ??? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/artful/flatpak
[15:12] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/artful-flatpak
[15:14] <acheronuk> quite a bit newer. not sure about that
[15:14] <ahoneybun> alright np
[15:17] <acheronuk> I just tried the new konversation in flatpak, and it won't even run. think my Nvidia card messes it up and it needs a runtime extension to use nvidia
[15:17] <ahoneybun> I think Kube needs to be in Intel mode to run
[15:18] <acheronuk> https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Konvi2x#Flatpak
[15:18] <acheronuk> install, but won't run
[15:18] <acheronuk> oh. yes. now I think i remember that mentioned on Kube :/
 Gpul's server is up again.
 Building zillions of i386 packages now with 12gb of ram instead of 4
 Niceee
 Great hardware upgrade.
 I was having some headaches with some strong memory peaks.
 @Santa, Ooooooh
[20:39] <valorie> great news, @santa
[20:39] <valorie> I heard some others wanting what you have built, in the #ubuntu-devel channel
[20:39] <valorie> so they could auto-test PPAs
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