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[01:41] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie Santa Looks like we should ship with KDE Applications 17.12 in b-series: https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Applications/17.12_Release_Schedule
[01:42] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> That means we should look to get KDE 4 removed from the archive before then, as upstream will have completely deprecated it.
[01:42] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Well, before 18.04 LTS final is released
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[08:21] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> @tsimonq2, Nope
[08:23] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> what KDE4 would we still need?
[08:25] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> Oh, remove from archive, not our iso/meta. the archive may be a bit optimistic.
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[08:26] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> It's just not true that "upstream will have completely deprecated it". They are thrird party applications still using it.
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[08:27] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> yeah, I misread the intent there. don't think debian think it's 100% realistic to purge KDE4 for buster, though they want to get rid of as much as is doable
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[11:17] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @Santa, KDE 4
[11:18] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Not Qt 4
[11:18] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Qt 4 is a lot harder to do
[11:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Same answer
[11:19] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> We could build a list and see what's the status of the frameworks port.
[11:56] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Regarding frameworks ffe I plan to handle a few autopkgtests regressions soon.
[11:57] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Also, probably today aftnernoon I will need to switch down gpul's server for maintenance.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:09] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Heyo Blues
[12:21] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @Santa, I'd beg to differ
[12:21] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> It's totally doable for 18.04
[12:22] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @Santa, Third party applications... We should port those off of KDE 4
[12:22] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Debian already has a wiki page
[12:23] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> kdesudo is something I'll handle this weekend when I get my energy back
[12:23] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> How do you know that @tsimonq2
[12:23] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> ?
[12:23] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Are you going to port all the applications which are not ported to frameworks?
[12:24] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @Santa, No, that's KDE Applications, the 17.12 release upstream deprecates KDE 4
[12:24] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> That's why I brought it up
[12:25] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> We just remove anything in the archive that doesn't have a KDE 5 port but is maintained by KDE
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey ahoneybun, tsimonq2. Santa
[12:26] <blaze> there're still lots of third parties not being ported to kf5
[12:28] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Also rushing removals won't lead to provide a good distribution, just the opposite.
[12:28] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> And removing kdelibs from the lts will make kubuntu an invalid platform to do kde4 -> frameworks porting
[12:28] <BluesKaj> womde if any of you devels has looked into PipeWire? I see fedora project is woking on it as a media suite for audio and video integration
[12:28] <BluesKaj> wonder if
[12:29] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> @tsimonq2, This way you will just harm yourselves once again.
[12:29] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @BluesKaj, o/
[12:29] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Santa Additionally, there's a lot of work already done irt dropping KDE 4. Hell, I'd even call it doable this cycle
[12:29] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Qt 4 is a different story, like I said.
[12:29] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> With that, it's the whole archive, a lot of things depend on it
[12:31] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> @tsimonq2, Once again: no. We can't port all the stuff which isn't ported already. And removing packages are the last resource, not the first one
[12:41] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @tsimonq2 I don't know that there is a big push to remove qt4 stuff
[12:41] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> There is a lot still depending on it
[12:46] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> Debian want to get rid of as much possible during buster. but not at any cost.
[12:48] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> It's going to be a lot of research on what can be removed
[12:48] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Plus buster is next release or the current wip?
[12:50] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> current wip for debian now stretch is released
[12:50] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Ahh ok
[12:50] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> but only at the very start of it. release date is likely a loooooooooong way off for it
[12:51] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Yea
[12:51] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Lol
[12:51] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> I would be happy with getting stuff off our iso and packageset.
[12:52] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Lower our ISO size a little
[12:52] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> not sure that effect would be too huge, but every little helps
[12:53] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Yea for sure
[12:53] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Mm wondering about flashing my laptop with Pop OS once it's out
[12:55] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> considering your situation, I would in your shoes. use this time to get familiar with your future stuff
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> until you get a shiny new work machine!
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> I've used GNOME before and know a little
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> XD
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot> * acheronuk is already jealous
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Well I imagine it'll just be a desktop for work maybe
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> staff discount then :P
[12:57] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Yea I would have no reason not to own one at that point lol
[12:57] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> I'm sure my mind will be blown with the stuff they are keeping under wraps
[13:03] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Kde4, but that doesn't change the point.
[13:05] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @Santa ack on frameworks. autotests are queued up with 1,000s of teste for glibc and perl anyway, so not a little wait is no issue
[13:21] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, Yes there is
[13:49] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> debian can afford to be more experimental in that regard in buster, given likely release schedule. we will have to be more conservative in such choices
[14:18] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Ok
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[15:04] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384455
[15:04] <ubottu> KDE bug 384455 in Flatpak Backend "Does not list application name" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[15:04] <ahoneybun> \o/
[15:05] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: can patch discover we have?
[15:05] <ahoneybun> well it's the backend package
[15:05] <acheronuk> I'll have a go in a bit
[15:06] <ahoneybun> plasma-discover-flatpak-backend
[15:07] <ahoneybun> that's only in artful
[15:07] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: ^
[15:07] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yes, but built from discover main source
[15:07] <acheronuk> also in backports AFAIK
[15:07] <ahoneybun> mm maybe?
[15:07] <ahoneybun> it's a simple line change I think
[15:08] <ahoneybun> https://cgit.kde.org/discover.git/commit/?id=fd16396d44bcf8ad1dee3081f16db5a454ac0808
[15:08] <acheronuk> I magine it will be fine to apply, but will need to test
[15:08] <ahoneybun> of course
[15:09] <ahoneybun> if that is in backports for xenial I test it
[15:09] <acheronuk> nope. zesty only
[15:09] <ahoneybun> the package does not exist in normal zesty
[15:09] <ahoneybun> but in the backports?
[15:09] <acheronuk> yes
[15:09] <ahoneybun> ahh
[15:09] <ahoneybun> any way to backport flatpak updates?
[15:10] <acheronuk> flatpak itself?
[15:10] <ahoneybun> there is like 3 or so packages
[15:11] <acheronuk> ??? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/artful/flatpak
[15:12] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/artful-flatpak
[15:14] <acheronuk> quite a bit newer. not sure about that
[15:14] <ahoneybun> alright np
[15:17] <acheronuk> I just tried the new konversation in flatpak, and it won't even run. think my Nvidia card messes it up and it needs a runtime extension to use nvidia
[15:17] <ahoneybun> I think Kube needs to be in Intel mode to run
[15:18] <acheronuk> https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Konvi2x#Flatpak
[15:18] <acheronuk> install, but won't run
[15:18] <acheronuk> oh. yes. now I think i remember that mentioned on Kube :/
[20:15] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Gpul's server is up again.
[20:16] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Building zillions of i386 packages now with 12gb of ram instead of 4
[20:17] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Niceee
[20:17] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> Great hardware upgrade.
[20:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Santa> I was having some headaches with some strong memory peaks.
[20:33] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @Santa, Ooooooh
[20:39] <valorie> great news, @santa
[20:39] <valorie> I heard some others wanting what you have built, in the #ubuntu-devel channel
[20:39] <valorie> so they could auto-test PPAs
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