 Whereas I have a working copy of Lineage OS 14.1 currently running on my Grouper (Asus 7-2012), can I add the git repo for that build as a local_manifest within .repo? If so, that will obviously allow me to build the Android ROM for my device, but then what?  … My question all along has been: … How do I get Ubuntu Touch from that? I've looked at several wikis (all of which are incomplete) and none of them explain how to get from a to z. They 
[00:20] <tgBot> around or totally get something wrong.  … I'm new to this, so the confusion factor is pretty high for me.
 P.S. I wanted to say that I've totally appreciated all the help many of you have rendered. Just get me past this hurdle, and you'll make my week! From there, I can start building apps for UTouch (which I'd previously done and it was much easier) and test them on my running device.
 P.P.S. my apps weren't anything special but they worked.
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 @jsalatas, I know that it's related to security reasons but... Is it a good thing to make easier port devices? … Anyway John, if I'm correct, some days ago you said that there will be some news about yunit soon... what news?
 @j2g2rp, It's unlikely that the kernel itself will make it easier, but Teble certainly should.
 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, The question is how this (the new kernel) would affect UT and/or Halium.  … Apparently I have no idea (yet) how UT/Halium works ;)
 @j2g2rp, I'm close to release yunit backports to 16.04 (LTS) with Qt 5.9.1 (also LTS). Hopefully during the weekend.
 After that I guess I guess its
 👍
 Cool!
 @jsalatas, wow, that are really good news! it's a great job 😁
 Someone here to help me a bit?
 Halium says to Create a new file called <VENDOR>_<CODENAME>.xml and open it in your favorite editor.
 so what should be it? asus_Z00L.xml or lineage_Z00L.xml?
[02:54] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Asus is the vendor
 @Vijay Kumar, Thank you
 Fwd from aayushgupta219: aayushgupta219@aosp-caf:~/halium$ lunch lineage_Z00L-userdebug … build/core/product_config.mk:249: * Can not locate config makefile for product "lineage_Z00L".  Stop. … Device Z00L not found. Attempting to retrieve device repository from LineageOS Github (http://github.com/LineageOS). … Found repository: android_device_asus_Z00L … Traceback (most recent call last): …   File "vendor/cm/build/tools/roomservice.p
[03:16] <tgBot> 263, in <module> …     default_revision = get_default_revision() …   File "vendor/cm/build/tools/roomservice.py", line 117, in get_default_revision …     return r.replace('refs/heads/', '').replace('refs/tags/', '') … AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'replace' … build/core/product_config.mk:249: * Can not locate config makefile for product "lineage_Z00L".  Stop. … build/core/product_config.mk:249: *** Can not locate config makefile
[03:16] <tgBot> "lineage_Z00L".  Stop.
[03:35] <tgBot> Kieran was added by: Kieran
[03:47] <tgBot> TitanX97 was added by: TitanX97
 this is 7 hundred! 😁
 Yayyy!
 :)
 Where is the source code for UBPorts?
 @TitanX97, Welcome 😁
 Want to compile it
 @Kieran, Welcome 😁
 @TitanX97, Afaik github
 @thepeter, Link to it please
 @thepeter, cheers
 But I don't have direct link rightaway, I am on the phone now
 @TitanX97, Most things seem to be here: https://github.com/ubports
 @Kieran, No Manifest file? 😭
 (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/CLmu0Bvp/file_422.webp
 There is a Wiki! :)
 @TitanX97, Yep 😂
 @thepeter, Why there is no link to source tree lol?
 I love Ubuntu Touch
 We're not perfect (yet) but it's happening, U know
 Got it
 https://github.com/ubports/android
 I can help if you want :)
[04:05] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Yes we want help.
[04:07] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> But currently it seems there are no developers awake.
[04:08] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> https://ubports.com/
[04:10] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> There are ways for you to help on this page. You can Choose what you want to do.
 @TitanX97, A lot of effort is now put into halium I've heard that will be a great milestone
 I get 700 :) and good morning
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 @Milan Korecky, Don't worry we are all at 1st possition here, since we are together boldly going where no man has gone before 🙂
 We already have CM-14.1
 We need to backport everything to Lollipop now
 Will do that tonight
 @TitanX97, 👍👍👍👍
 @wayneoutthere, Oh I almost forgot ... You have ain't seen nothing yet! 😂😂😂
[06:33] <tgBot> * DanChapman quietly drops this here https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/dekko2.dekkoproject
 @DanChapman, cooool :D
 WOAAAAAH looks pretty cool
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/FeBfXjZB/file_423.webp
 Just note it still has lots of bugs and you may find the multiwindow stuff to be a bit weird on phones
 Also it shouldn't interfere with any current installations of dekko from the canonical store
 I am thinking ... is it possible to get all the created apps texts into weblate? (suspecting they are not, U know) It would easy translating a lot 😜
 @TitanX97, Tonight? Good luck with this, in order to make a usable ports normally you need weeks ;)
 @DanChapman, What i'm interested in finding out about the most right now is if anyone has issues launching and what weird navigational issues they come across.
 Also some screenshots of Dekko in desktop mode on an m10 would be cool to see, if anyone has one 😊
 it take too many time to wakeup keyboard? (E4.5) . I had to lock-unlock phone to make the keyboard wakeup. If im correct, there was a similar problem with oxide when you open private mode. wasn't it?
 *700*!!!! I am IMPRESSED!!!
 @j2g2rp, Yeah i've noticed that. Refocusing the window is enough to wake it up for me.
 hum, i recieved a mail from google. They rejected the login
 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en option 2
 we have to talk with them to whitelist dekko 😝
 @DanChapman, Good news, thanks a lot. I will try it...
 @j2g2rp, Will be fixed once i get using online accounts working again. They just want the oauth token instead of username/password.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PsV0jjj0/file_424.mp4
 😆
 strange "Telegram Desktop was updated to version 1.1.23" but in changelog there is v 1.1.20 03.09.17 as newest
 @thepeter, Changelog is usually late by a few days
 Or it appears never
 They made a few updates these days, probably only bugfixes ^^
 okay, well  it looks like that
 @DanChapman, So we should uninstall old Dekko first an than install Dekko 2? Do we have also delete cache etc like purge or does normal uninstall is OK?
 @j2g2rp, +1 on Nexus 5
 @bastos777, they are different, you can have both
 @bastos777, You can have both installed side by side. I didn't want to force users to lose the old Dekko while the new one doesn't have equal features
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/m7jeRoL2/file_425.webp
 +1
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 @DanChapman, Adding a mail I can't paste the passwd and e-mail so I should put it manually.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Not sure why that is as I just use the standard TextField from the uitk so it should work the same as other apps.
 @DanChapman, Perhaps I try later and it goes. With other apps was the same.
 @DanChapman, I reset the phone and it goes. Thanks.
 @andreasimonetti, its works thanks
 @DanChapman I can't configure the server IMAP/SMTP: I click on next, it takes a while but it doesn't say if there are errors... probably I'm doing something wrong, but idk where...
 @mymike00, Me the same with outlook
 yep, me too
 both outlook?
 mine is the school mail so it isn't `@outlook` but the webmail is on the microsoft site...
 ah office365 i presume then
 probably
 meh... outlook/office365/exchange is janky at best over imap. Let me test my outlook account again. I might need you to get me some logs...
 yep, no problem
 @mymike00 did you select the "Outlook" account during setup or just "IMAP"?
 outlook
 @Cesar_Herrera ^^ same question for you
 @mymike00 try using the IMAP account option.
 I will. thanks
 Outlook seems to kick Dekko out when it tries to authenticate the smtp credentials http://paste.ubuntu.com/25488825/
 Plus check the self-signed certificates mybe ;)
 Not for outlook.com 😊
 @mymike00 if that doesn't work then enable the file logger in `~/.config/dekko/dekkod.conf` to … ```[FileLog] … Enabled=1 … Path=/tmp/dekkod-log``` … Then restart Dekko and try and create the account again and send me /tmp/dekkod-log or add it to this issue https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues/30
 @DanChapman, Yes. Outlook
 @Cesar_Herrera Could you try using the "IMAP" account option instead please
 I'll try
 thanks 😊
 @DanChapman, It finally goes, but after I put the servers it appeared a black screen checking than did not finist. I closed that and when I started Deko it appeared the emails.
 @Cesar_Herrera ok so your hitting the same issue i did now https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues/30 where it fails to authenticate smtp but imap was fine. So you will receive emails but won't be able to send for now.
 @DanChapman, I can't send messages. When I see a received message it appears: "Contenido remoto bloqueado" and a green button to allow.
 Yes the default right now is to block all remote content. Stops tracking links and all that other crazy stuff folks put into emails.
 OK. Thanks
 https://www.emailprivacytester.com/ is a good way to test Dekko's privacy features when opening a message.
 @DanChapman Just giving Dekko 2 a try. Looks excellent. Thanks very much. Really keen to see how it develops.
 @BrisPete, 👍 It's still very desktop focused. But over the next few weeks it should become more usable on phablets
[10:36] <tgBot> julian2000nl was added by: julian2000nl
 Hi everyone!
 Hi @julian2000nl, welcome!
 @DanChapman, 👍
 @j2g2rp, just pulling down the top menu a but and going back to the app works for me. same issue as with the browser in private mode
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/TbtwR8dW/file_427.jpg
 @YougoChats, I wonder where this bug lies.
 @popeydc, sweet!
 @popeydc, Aw, they should have brought someone in looking like a mad scientist to say "IT'S ALIVE!"
 @j2g2rp, worked fine for me. perhaps because i have used dekko/online accounts before and already gave permission before
 Thanks @DanChapman :)
 @popeydc, Are they UBports shirts?
 Yes
 Jan is a giant!
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/SaUGh9f5/file_429.jpg
 More in the audience
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/CAJYvJpB/file_431.jpg
 @DanChapman, Hahahaha, talk to him about 55' TV's
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Bbz4sLVg/file_432.mp4
 @popeydc, Very exciting times
 @popeydc, great!!!
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/bYTDxdMU/file_434.jpg
 nice :)
 next year fosdem :)
 Oh already posted :)
 @arudy, The more the better ;)
 @DanChapman Dekko 2 configuration on FP2 15.04/rc is crashing after filling in account information. I tried 3 times over quite unstable H internet connection and than over wifi. Same result😒
 @bastos777, no problem on FP2 15.04 devel. something got fixed in devel?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/bz14AW6R/file_436.jpg
 Nice demo!
[11:25] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @popeydc, How tall is Jan and who is with him is that mariogrip?
[11:26] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @popeydc, Is there any live feed of that?
 the slides are online?
[11:30] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @Krakakanok, Any links please?
[11:31] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @popeydc, Sorry but who are these guys?
[11:38] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Shouldn't ubucon make live presentations online .. it's information age ? What am I thinking wrong. People around world could see ( specially the people who are not able to go personally😔) it if they would make it online streamable...
 @Vijay Kumar, +1
 @bastos777, No idea what could be causing that. Please could you file an issue along with the app log file. https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/ubuntu-ui-plugin/issues
 @Vijay Kumar, Maybe its a little bit too small to have this professional equipment. Its a lot of infra & resources that need to work towards that. You dont find always amateurs who can do this, and professionals will charge a lot
 @Vijay Kumar, +1
[11:52] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @Flohack, If not that much then just a feed of audio and/or along with the PPT could do. Then There is Facebook live. Though I don't know how good it might sound or work.
[12:14] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Hey @Flohack does ubport have an fb page? If not I think we should create one. Shouldn't  we?
 Oh sorry
[12:29] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> You were getting out of some kind of train .. 😁
[12:31] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Initially I thought my prayers has been answering ... And someone is posting the video from ubucon 😄
 @Vijay Kumar, Me amongst others ;-)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/IWFQ4cuY/file_440.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/SbVp95AJ/file_441.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/7E0d6Wip/file_443.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/ak5gWeXj/file_445.jpg
[12:38] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Hey Frank ... Thank you 😁 thanks a lot
 @Flohack, We already have stable lineageOS 14.1 and I am part of the development group
 So it wouldnt be a problem
 @Fuchur777, When will UBPorts release stable version of source code?
 @TitanX97, Ota 2 you are hinting at?
 @Fuchur777, Others have said to me that UBPorts is unstable right now
 And it is based on CM 12.1
 Will the updated source code will be based on LOS 14.0 and LOS 14.1?
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 @Vijay Kumar, And me as well!
 How serious are we to launch it???
 launch what?
 @TitanX97, It's not an Android ROM, per se. We run Android in a container and it handles driver support through libhybris.
 So we're segregated from a majority of Android bugs and security faults
 wait
 HOLY MOLY WE HIT 700!
 @wayneoutthere get over here and celebrate
 we had 701. someone left
 Did someone call me?
 ... oh wait.. they did.
 wait for it...
 .... wait for it...
 Launch a device
 Seven Hundred - By Wayne (Out There) … Seven Hundred, O' Seven Hundred, … How we have longed for thee, … As parched land with jagged thirst cracks, … As a man at war longing for peace. … Yea, Seven Hundred,  … Mayest thou be unto us,  … As we grow as a sunflower reaching towards the sun, … The seedling on the journey to Eight
 @hawk_is_here, No, we're not trying to launch a device right now.
 So what is the plan
 @hawk_is_here, write poetry
 If we still tread like Ubuntu did
 Then it's not really a push
 We must have a strategy
 about devices... what do you think about the new xiaomi mi a1, android one? What IF Xiaomi released kernel sources? :)
 If the question is "What if they release the source?" the answer is "they won't be friendly to developers, so no"
 Well I think if we can make the OS flash ready to any particular device
 Every device needs specific porting of Halium, much like an Android ROM
 But it's not exactly an Android ROM
 Which we can convince them to make post order basis
 Flash sale was a good show
 But for preparation of preloaded devices
 I think will not last for long
 But if we start preordering device
 Like book now
 We really don't want to spend time or money on launching a device.
 And then when we have 500 orders
 If you need an exhibit, look at any Kickstarter for hardware ever
 Never on time, never ship what they promised.
 Then the manufacturer has to just flash the device and parcel
 Yes
 @UniversalSuperBox, That's my point
 @UniversalSuperBox, I think you mean kickfarter...
 Maybe we'll find a hardware partner who wants to ship a phone with Ubuntu Touch again. But for now it's staying flash-only.
 Yes
 I'm not ruling your idea out, it's just not a goal for the very near future.
 For now
 We don't have a good reputation after the Ubuntu phone debacle
 So we cannot bargain over the additional feature other than the existing HW
 I don't think there was a debacle
 @UniversalSuperBox, I think you're in the right track. Let it gain more popularity. Let the app development mature, etc. Kind of like cm did...and then maybe.
 Once we can have an appreciable lead
 And I don't think we have a lot of bad reputation to shake off. The people who want to make a better phone platform are here.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sir, … There are two ways of going forward...
 Ubuntu fans, more than half of them don't understand flashing
 The people who were full of vitrol against it are happy that Canonical dropped it. But they aren't happy about where Ubuntu is going now. So there's no winning, as expected.
 Leave the preparation procedure
 I think we should focus on the users now
 For the moment, I don't see the problem you're trying to solve.
 Ubuntu Touch isn't ready for "everyone" yet. So we don't have phones that "everyone" can buy with it preinstalled.
 What shall I say then sir
 My proposal would be to start thinking about the users who are not computer educated
 The usability of the phone...
 The convergence
 I see. What have you seen in our actions so far that you'd like us to change?
 My proposal would be focusing on the devices
 Where we can create the environment with one click flashing of the devices
 Like we prepare the Ubuntu flash drive to install on the system
 With an easy tool
 I work in telecom industry
 My company is huge
 We had Ubuntu OS as official OS for organization
 Almost 10K users
 But the OS was dropped because we don't had an proper Usability
 Try to understand my point
 Giving everything is really a good thought
 Untill the direction is right
 And the direction must be towards the Goal
 And I believe the Goal was always covering the mass
 I think we should ask people for which device they are targeting
 Highest no. Of vote shall be our target for one click flash
 Till time to find an HW manufacturer
 You make it sound so easy 😐
 We have the UBports Installer which works on Windows (with drivers installed), MacOS, or Linux.
 So that's your easy flash environment
 @hawk_is_here, It's pretty obvious, but we're just not ready for it. Not there yet. We're working on Halium 16.04 build.
 @vanyasem, Ok
 Halium is the closest we'll ever have to "All devices" and it still requires the Android source code and willing developers.
 We aren't actively targeting to get rid of Ubuntu Touch's usability.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yep, but again, it's on a roadmap and not ready at the moment
 Exactly. Things just haven't come together yet.
 We're working hard to get them there. Some of us are actually working too hard. :P
 Why do I get notifications of my own messages from Matrix? 😂
 We've got many from the team in Paris right now, meeting all kinds of developers and users.
 There's a TV with a Nexus 5 hooked up for convergence too.
 Can I add matrix bot here to route messages directly to my own matrix room? (And not to IRC, as I find it uncomfortable to use)
 So, I'm not saying that your points are incorrect @hawk_is_here. Just that I don't know what you want us to change to get better.
 @vanyasem, I'm talking about @tchncs_bot. We use it in our company (and it's used in Halium chat)
 @UniversalSuperBox, They are on the roadmap :) We just can't make them appear instantly by request
 But it creates a subpar experience for IRC users. :/
 I will route it my own private room. We can have both at the same time
 I just really hate using telegram for non-personal messaging and IRC is uncomfortable for me
 @hawk_is_here, To be clear: Nothing would be nicer than to just press on a button and generate an image which fits all Android devices. But not even CM or Lineageo can do that
 Simply bc there is no standardization. Ubuntu on a mobile phone is quite different form a PC
 It just has the same name lets say
 and it uses the arm compiled root filesystem where possible
 @UniversalSuperBox, We miss you here though...
 But then comes 5000 things that are customized
 And we can see for our list of 5 devices that for example on one the camera works, on the other it doesnt. We need to dig into each small problem, sometimes it takes weeks
 This group had became a lot active since last day.
 (Photo, 1080x819) https://irc.ubports.com/QR0w0qWt/file_447.jpg
 So until there is a standard for HAL its futile
 @Flohack, I'm talking about this sir
 @UniversalSuperBox, I gave you a shoutout in Russia on a conference about education and modern technology
 @vanyasem, There were lots of devs and users as well
 @hawk_is_here, You are talking about PC software. This aint gonna work in mobile world
 @aayushgupta219, It's Friday. Nobody works hard on Fridays
 @vanyasem, People in India do work.
 @vanyasem, Me still in the office
 @Flohack, Well Sir, … We should start thinking to work on this, I guess
 @hawk_is_here, Then be my guest. Please go to Samsung and tell them to open-source their drivers for example. Good luck with that
 The vendors have absolutely no interest in getting their devices unlocked
 This is the point, its a lock-in ecosystem where our hardware comes from
 So we can only scratch the surface and hope it works
 @aayushgupta219, Well, formally everybody does. But it fact most people are less concentrated and motivated to work
 @vanyasem, @UniversalSuperBox?
 And we have to add a lot of special treatment code for various chipsets. In the end, Halium and libhybris are working around driver issues from the vendors. Nice, we do the work they are too lazy to do.
 (Photo, 1180x890) https://irc.ubports.com/DmtH5TK4/file_449.jpg
 @hawk_is_here
 yes we got the installer. Good, isn´t it? But unfortunately, does *not* work for *every* phone on the planet
 No, but it works for all our supported devices.
 And that sounds like what is needed.
 I got the message, why we do not work for a simple installer that can flash everything ;)
 Yes
 It sounds like what we need
 @hawk_is_here, We have a very good reputation, since we take all our free time we have to save the project.
 Well sir it the motivation...
 @TitanX97, Who tells you this? UBports Ubuntu Touch is very stable in 15.04
 Let me see, what I can do to contribute...
 @vanyasem, Maybe route it to the Matrix Ubports group...^^
 @hawk_is_here, Whats your expertise?
 @hawk_is_here, This comes when all other problems are solved. Like get 16.04 working on all supported devices.
 @Flohack, Nothing comparable to you
 Let me figure out the device I have
 @hawk_is_here, Hey you dont even know my expertise ;)
 @aayushgupta219, and one guy in canada
 Btw how to flash a daily build?
 Or the only way would be to install stable and then switch channel to devel?
 @Flohack, I know mine Sir, not in development for very long time
 @vanyasem, Confused what is now installed?
 But the new that Ubuntu is dropping was a shocker
 @Flohack, I have 16.04 installed
 @aayushgupta219, oh wait, sorry he was Indian.
 Now trying to free my time and come back
 I wonder is there a way to flash devel  without flashing stable
 Hahaha
 Some free to inform me what does halium do with ubuntu touch?
 @vanyasem, you want to flash devel of what? 15.04?
 Yep
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=xxyyzz \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap (probably needs to be wiped)
 smth like this 😆
 Is there a documentation on this somewhere?
 The installer will also let you do that
 Gimme my CLI!
 @vanyasem, Not a good one, but go to https://devices.ubports.com/ find your device, and scroll down to Install using sstem-image-server
 @Flohack, Ty, I'll take a took at this as I get home
 @wayneoutthere, Not funny
 @vanyasem, Not actually... We do work hard Mon-Fri. Generally Saturday & Sunday's are off...
 Titan, are you alright?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yup... One of UBports dev. is an Indian
 :)
 hi
 @Sconio, hi
 Meizu pro 5 will be compatible with ubuntu 16.04
 ,,
 in futur
 I read yesterday
 confirm ?
 @Sconio, where did you read it ? =)
 wait .. 5min i find
 On the fence next to my building
 @vanyasem, It also stated хуй
 (jk)
 @Flohack, https://youtu.be/MGvo5sGEHmU?t=38m21s
 ^^
 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/september-2-2017-ubports-community-update-69 gives 404: Page not found!
 @Flohack, I wonder why people think that uBports does not port to more phones because we don't want to do it, or because we are lazy, or because we love the few devices that are ported and don't want more
 @wagafo, I think a lot of it is just difficulty understanding the difference in complexity between Android/ARM/Mobile stuff over x86 stuff.
 @Schyken, Then we should document it better
 Or just write gibberish so it sounds smart
 😆
 Well, you get used to the ability to just kinda write an ISO to a USB and pop it in just about any PC, it's a bit difficult sometimes to understand why you can't do it with your phone.
 That's my thinking about it
 @Schyken, Anybody that used GNU+Linux with laptops for more than 6 years gets that
 @vanyasem, It's written everywhere, IMHO
 We should place a link on a supported devices page
 @vanyasem, Yeah, I can definitely see that.
 @vanyasem, People don't tend to do any research before complaining
 @vanyasem, It's also quite possible a fair bit haven't even been past the top of the landing page before doing so as well.
 Hmm, there's no browser/URL feature that can assign a link to a certain position of the page, is there?
 Like, ubuntu.com@xyz on the page?
 I doubt there's any feature like that, but it'd be damn cool IMHO
 You can achieve it with JS, I believe
 @vanyasem, Ah, I can see that
 My portfolio works that way
 It'd have to be supported in-site then
 https://domian.TLD/#something
 @Schyken, Yep
 @vanyasem, Lucky you! You get notifications at all with matrix on Ubuntu Touch? uMatriks?
 My Nexus 5 has a dead battery
 So I can't use it
 I use Nexus 5x with LineageOS
 And I have Riot from F-Droid as a Matrix client
 Sorry to disappoint you
 @vanyasem, Replaced it some days ago. Works good again. The battery is very cheap.
 I know, but I live in Moscow and it's hard to so anything here
 We don't have Amazon or Ebay, so I can't order it
 And the service center is 2 hours away
 I replaced it once in the past
 I will probably do so when I'll get more spare time
 Oh, too bad. But in case there will be some possibility, son't wait too long removing the dead battery. It gets very fat so you can't remove it anymore.
 @nfsprodriver, I got an old battery that could work still and could send it to you ;)
 @nfsprodriver, It's not completely dead, holds around 10-15 mins of charge
 Oh, that's better than my old one. The phone even died during charging.
 @koni_raid, thanks we'll look into it... at north american and european speed...
 @wayneoutthere, Wud?
 @vanyasem, well we don't work hard on Fridays it has been established...
 You found that offencive?
 @vanyasem, you clearly don't know me
 if you think i found that offensive
 go listen to some audio casts
 Oh, so you just agree with me then
 likely yes
 if it was funny i agree with you
 @Schyken, I can port Ubports myself... but the problem is it is based off CM-12.1
 Just the hardware compatibility
 and we have CM-14.1
 Mmh. You can do a Halium port
 @UniversalSuperBox, What exactly is Halium?
 I have one question...
 if we are facing problem to get the linux kernal
 how did we ported so many phones?
 @TitanX97, https://github.com/Halium/docs/blob/master/index.md
 @hawk_is_here, So many? We got 3 well working ports, and not even there everything is green. See our evergrowing bugtracker. Some of the hardware still does not work, see cameras, movie codecs, sound issues etc. Please do not give the people the impression that everything is easy and just a matter of work force. Most problems end in try-and-error scenarios, and take long time. There is no documentation out there, otherwise we would have followed it of
[16:46] <tgBot> course.
 OMG Bluetooth work for device Moto G 2014 after many patch and test, thanks god
 WHAT!?!?
 I think I'll need those patches if you can send them. :)
 @Walid, See @hawk_is_here what I mean? Walid is spending MONTHS on one device.
 @UniversalSuperBox, from here … https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/wily/+ref/flo
 and also backport kernel
 @Flohack, I was wondering in Ubuntu phone devices, they were showing a list of devices...
 Now I'm getting your point
 @neothethird how many stickers do you have on your laptop?
 @hawk_is_here, See https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/tnbDqd7d/file_451.jpg Bluetooth Work
 @Walid, Seems we got a new port ;)
 (Sticker, 464x512) https://irc.ubports.com/VJbjBUfM/file_452.webp
 Whats missing?
 @Walid, that looks great!
 video records
 Ok they dont work on N5 either, so lets ship it ;)
 @Flohack, What would be the procedure to make the device as official port?
 We are thinking like this: First Walid will receive the invitation to bring his port to the experimental channel (I did this already). We are currently preparing this channel so that we can accept ports from the community. Then, we let hopefully some keen users test it. then we can see to move it to the production channels
 @Walid, nice work!  is this to celebrate 700?
 @wayneoutthere, Good idea every 100 users we release a new port 😆
 @wayneoutthere, No its Moto G 2014
 @Walid, What dpi ratio you have, you got 5 icons in a row!
 @Flohack, They do with a little workaraound 😜 (devel)
 @Flohack, finally! a roadmap!
 @Flohack, GRID_UNIT_PX=12 … QTWEBKIT_DPR=2.5
 @Walid, Wow 12 is smmmmmall
 how does it look like, isnt that to smmmall
 no like android
 @Walid, Looks really nice!! Good work buddy!
 @Vijay, thx
 @wayneoutthere, 😂
 (Sticker, 424x512) https://irc.ubports.com/2mYasYST/file_453.webp
 @Flohack, +1
 @Walid, Whats the native res of the Moto? 1280p?
 sr 1080p?
 5.0 in (130 mm) 1280x720 px (294 ppi) HD … Gorilla Glass 3
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_G_(2nd_generation)
[17:48] <nerdboy> arr
[17:48] <nerdboy> can you guys perhaps steal more Gentpp patches?
[17:49] <nerdboy> seems like every other sync breaks the build...
 Mmmm could you explain
[17:52] <nerdboy> this time it's (old) e2fsprogs missing sysmacros and _GNU_SOURCE
 What are you trying to build?
[17:53] <nerdboy> if you just look, you might find some useful patches...
[17:54] <bedah> hi
[17:54]  * nerdboy slightly irritated at fixing extraneous broken stuff that should already be fixed
 Could you please actually explain the problem
 The problem might be that he is in the wrong channel
[17:56] <bedah> i got a nexus 7 2012, and i want linux on it. first question: am i right, here?
 @bedah, Yes you are right
[17:56]  * nerdboy building ubports/fp2 if anyone cares
[17:57]  * nerdboy also needs a minimum working distance between spouse and work area
 Well, our build server goes through the fp2 build every day without issues. Are you trying to build the Android compatibility layer or something else?
[17:58] <nerdboy> also last time i fixed similar and made pull request the PR was ignored/not checked before different patch made it redundant
 http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/
[17:59] <nerdboy> another few hours wasted...
 I'm going to be honest, you're wasting our time by not actually explaining the problem
 @nerdboy, You want to be productive and help us improve or you want to tell us that we dont do a good job?
[18:00] <nerdboy> that's what i was trying to do and got ignored
[18:00] <nerdboy> right now i'm testing another patch
[18:00] <bedah> hm. https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices nice and straigtforward :)
[18:00] <nerdboy> i can try another PR
[18:01] <nerdboy> and i thought i did just say what was broken
 What PR was that, do you have a link?
[18:01] <nerdboy> this time it's (old) e2fsprogs missing sysmacros and _GNU_SOURCE
 There are no requests on the FP2 repositories, open or closed.
 Well, the kernel has two but both of those developers are spoken for
[18:02] <nerdboy> so it fails linking with undefined references to itself
 @nerdboy, Please post link
[18:02] <nerdboy> am i not trying to be helpful?
 Yes, do you have a link to the pull request?
 I don't see anything in Gerrit either
[18:08] <nerdboy> oh, and one of the mkimage scripts is missing path to ./out/blah/make_ext4fs
[18:08] <nerdboy> i don't know the "right" place to fix that so i don't have patch yet
 @nerdboy, Yes but here in Telegram this information is not persistent. Please make some tickets for that. https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues
 The fairphone developers are not here right now so no one can comment
[18:10] <nerdboy> i'm kinda debugging kernel stuff for those guys already
[18:11] <nerdboy> which i'm behind on due to repeated other breakage
[18:12] <nerdboy> are you saying my pull request will always be ignored without an issue tied to it?
 @nerdboy, Sorry but I can only help you if you are willing to write issues on GH
 No. But neither did supply a link to your PR, how can I find out what´s with that
 PR or issues pls
[18:13] <nerdboy> that was a few months back before i got stalled waiting for a phone with uart wires
 So what can I do now?
 We can't look into what's going on without a log.
[18:16] <nerdboy> https://github.com/ubports/android_build/pull/2
[18:17] <nerdboy> apparently i closed it because overnight it got conflicted
[18:18] <nerdboy> right now, making an issue and then waiting is not an option for me
[18:19] <nerdboy> *maybe it never is
 @nerdboy, Well I am sorry but you opened it and closed it one day later. There is a small chance that probably someone else found the same mistake and fixed it and your PR was outdated. That does not mean we ignore you willingly
[18:19] <nerdboy> maybe make a comment then?
[18:19] <nerdboy> *in the PR
 We are all working on this project in our free time and there is not always someone waiting for PRs to process them
 Maybe the guy never saw the PR but instead just pushed changes
 There is no global alarm list for PRs, only if you subscribe to the project
[18:20]  * nerdboy has been developing Gentoo since 2003 "in free time"
[18:20] <nerdboy> i kinda know about that one
 I am not on this project for example
 Yes excuse our bad communication but I suggest you get a Telegram account, make a PR and then ping us here
[18:21] <nerdboy> so if i need to fix it and move on (to kernel debugging) what is the preferred process?
 Communication via Github was in early stages in June
[18:21] <nerdboy> wtf is telegram?
 lol
 http://telegram.org/
 this one
[18:22] <nerdboy> is there a ubports wiki page i missed?
 Wiki page for what?
[18:22] <nerdboy> 'cause i didn't see anything on that
[18:22] <nerdboy> telegram/bug report process whatever
 @nerdboy, There is no official process, I tell you what will work for you
[18:23] <nerdboy> if you (royal you) really want help then you need to make a bit more obvious/documented for old farts like me
 @nerdboy, Yes sigh. documentation is everything. Yet nobody wants to do it. Its like with all developers. We are still booting up this community. Currently lot of people work in parallel but it lacks synchronization
[18:25] <nerdboy> i'm not saying go write a gentoo dev manual, just a page with a few hints maybe
 I will get you in contact with some ppl of the FP2 team then you know whom to ping
[18:27] <nerdboy> i usually write that stuff but i don't know what to write for you guys, so...
[18:29] <nerdboy> i'm assuming telegram.org is not just a ubports thing, is there a group name or secret handshake i need to know?
[18:29] <nerdboy> (the password is swordfish)
 https://t.me/ubports
 thats it
 or drop me a mail to florian@ubports.com
 @Flohack, What mail sever do you run btw?
 @vanyasem, No idea ;) Im in Infra-Team 😆
 Anybody? 😂
 I use Yandex for domians and it's not self-hosted, so I don't trust it
 I use dovecot for my personal email
 @vanyasem, I dont trust my neighbour ;)
 I trust only myself. Most of my personal data is next to my couch
 The noise disturbs me from sleeping, but it's worth it
 lol
 It's Mail in a Box
 https://mailinabox.email/
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ty
 @UniversalSuperBox, That's the best kind of mail
 Far better then being scattered on the floor
 @PhoenixLandPirate, 😀
 @UniversalSuperBox, is this real?  i'm  a suckker for tech jokes, but if this is real this is highly cool...
 @wayneoutthere, Yeah, it's real
 @UniversalSuperBox, 👍👍👍
 dang... now i'm going to get lost on another cool thing.
[18:59]  * nerdboy uses postfix/courier-imap
[18:59] <nerdboy> on separate hosts, just because...
[19:00] <nerdboy> so technically also courier-esmptpd under imap
 nothing compares to qmail
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-EF60neguk
[19:14] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Is there already a gpg app for encryption on ubports?
 not that i'm aware of
 You can use the terminal for gpg... ^^
[19:31] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> So building an app around this shouldn't be the hardest
[19:32] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Hm
[19:32] <nerdboy> i think postfix makes better gateway
 @Andre Büsgen, What is this app going to encrypt?
[19:34] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Maybe it is possible to implement the gpg-app similar to openkeychain on android so apps could de- and encrypt data through it.
[19:34] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> This could bring gpg to apps like dekko
 @Andre Büsgen, Hard to imagine with the current hard confinement of apps, and the wont be able to interact easily.
[19:37] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Is it possible to let them communicate through temporary files?
 content-hub is the way to share data
 It's... special at times
[19:39] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Hm :/ but first I have to get my device up and running without problems
[19:39] <tgBot> <Callum Pearson> Is it possible to install the displaylink drivers? I've been using displaylink on my oneplus 5 with an Xbox one controller connected to play games and it would be amazing if we could get the same display out on Ubports.  http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu
[19:43] <nerdboy> so it looks like HAVE_SYS_SYSMACROS_H is undefined *and* missing from the right header files
 Remember that you're on kernel 3.4
 @Callum Pearson, They might be x86-only
[19:55] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> When using clickable setup-lxd I get a connection refused error. Anyone experienced this error?
 @Andre Büsgen, To some extent yes this is possible. You could store data in temp and pass the location through content-hub or url-dispatcher to the receiving app. This isn't possible with snaps but click it is 😊
[20:10] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> So at least possible☺️
[20:10] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Not beautiful but possible
 Yeah it's a rather wild form of ipc but yeah it's possible
 When is the stsble ota out?
 @prpleXist, This weekend is target ;)
 @Flohack, Any changes toward rc release?
 rc is released?
 since Mo
 Yes
 That release on Monday
 So yes its released ;) I dont get your question
 Between the release on Monday and the upcoming ota release
 No, its frozen. We got translation bugs and a small bug in the channel switcher
 But so far nothing critical
 Alright
 Thanks
 But since is UBUcon I am not sure what will happen 😆 maybe it was not the  best idea to select that weekend when all are out for fun ^^
 @Flohack, I didnt see you, are yoi coming?
[20:41]  * nerdboy wasn't kidding about stealing from gentoo
 @arudy, No sry didnt make it
[20:41] <nerdboy> we did steal debian social contract, so we are also fair game
 UBports does not steal anything
 Ok let me dring that unicorn (for true) beer for you :D
[20:42] <nerdboy> other devs (not me) spent a lot of time on process/other docs
 @arudy, meh :)
[20:42] <nerdboy> *award-winnings docs iirc
 @all does someone know where system-settings comes out as deb after build 😆
 This is the UbuCon cocktail :)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/w8l4wyOj/file_455.jpg
 @nerdboy, Perfect. Let me hire you for documentation ;)
 @arudy, hehe what is inside
[20:43]  * nerdboy already has 18 customers, 3 kids, 5 cats, and a metric a**load of stuff to do
[20:44] <nerdboy> but if you're serious we cna try to fit it in...
[20:44] <nerdboy> i might actually know a technical writer who is available
[20:45] <nerdboy> or else he is in costa rica not working
 @Flohack, Pineapple, goyave, grenadine, and i think vodka
 @nerdboy, costa rica. flooded?
[20:46] <nerdboy> not sure
[20:46] <nerdboy> he used to work for linux foundation on yocto docs
[20:46] <nerdboy> they have docs almost as good as ours
[20:46] <nerdboy> bigger doesn't always equal better
 It would only make sense if he is interested in Ubuntu Touch and has a device, at least for the GUI stuff.
 Thanks!!! @DanChapman! https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/dekko2.dekkoproject
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #263: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/263/
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #981: SUCCESS in 1 min 2 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/981/
 @DanChapman, Did you get some?
[21:35] <nerdboy> you did ask me too, but he knows how to dig and document
[21:35] <nerdboy> because that's what he does
[21:37] <nerdboy> of course, foundation projects have more structure, etc
[21:38] <nerdboy> they have actual dev mtgs at least once a year (after elc normally)
 @UniversalSuperBox, OMG..... NICE !!!!!!
 Merci !!
 :)
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/xIFsoiw7/file_457.jpg
 Dekko 2 on my M10
 Cool!
 😃
 @BrisPete, Looks nice!
 @BrisPete, Great. I need a microHDMI connector to add to the zillion other cables…
 Nice work, guys https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubports-goes-ubucon-paris-71
 @Flohack, Hey!
 @BrisPete, 👍👍👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, As an apprentice to Dalton 😆
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, the keyboard is not displayed in Bq E4.5
[22:53] <tgBot> irhamni was added by: irhamni
 @irhamni, welcome muhammad!  Y
 Hi fellas I was looking to get a Nexus 5 I was thinking Amazon if so could you guys help me pick one out https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dmobile&field-keywords=LG+Nexus+5
 for UBports and possibly plasma mobile
 Well I'm not a friend of Amazon, anyway you should look for one with an intact battery so you don't need to replace it. Maybe there are some stores of used devices with a good status.
 @nfsprodriver, The only reason I was thinking Amazon is I get a discount there lol my job. but true thanks I'll check out some local stores first.
 Well I menat online stores, but maybe...
 lol I live in Big City so maybe a little bit of both
 😊
 @wayneoutthere, Thanks
 And should I stay clear of the Nexus 5X
 Sorry I'm a bit lost when it comes to all this
 Well, the 5X doesn't run Ubuntu Touch yet
 And it's notorious for bootloops
 so
 👍
 N5 is the ultimate device for different OS support (Android, Lineage OS, Sailfish OS, UBports Touch, Plasma Mobile, Firefox OS...)
 👍 UBports and plasma mobile are the two main ones I want to test out
 Being that I run plasma 5
 Living in the u.s. is it going to be hard to get service
 Sorry for all these questions
 Do you have a GSM or CDMA carrier that the Nexus 5 supports
 yes
 Then no, slap in the SIM and you'll be good to go
 cool thanks
 Might need to set up the NAM, but that's normal
 NAM?
 Yeah, your carrier options
 Looks like I got a lot to read I don't want to go into this half-cocked lol
 It's actually called an APN