| kenvandine | jdstrand, thx! | 01:48 |
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| * RAOF learns about the new (symver) dpkg-symbols modifier. Woot! | 02:32 | |
| duflu | RAOF: What's that? | 02:45 |
| RAOF | Take the version of a symbol from the symbol version 😀 | 02:46 |
| RAOF | So, to pick a random example: | 02:47 |
| RAOF | (symver)MIR_SERVER_45 0.25 | 02:47 |
| RAOF | To make all those symbols resolve to a version dependency of >= 0.25 | 02:48 |
| didrocks | good morning | 04:50 |
| jibel | morning | 04:52 |
| jibel | salut didrocks | 04:52 |
| didrocks | salut jibel | 05:01 |
| jibel | didrocks, tu es là de bonne heure ce matin. Ca va ? | 05:01 |
| didrocks | jibel: ça va bien, en fait, je commence souvent vers 7h avant que Martin ne se réveille, je ne lance pas IRC tout de suite par contre | 05:02 |
| didrocks | jibel: et toi, comment ça va ? | 05:02 |
| jibel | didrocks, très bien, tout le monde part à l'école enfin un peu de calme :) | 05:06 |
| didrocks | héhé, j'imagine :) | 05:07 |
| didrocks | Martin dort encore, j'ai une heure de tranquilité :p | 05:07 |
| jibel | ah moi j'ai jusque 17h ;) | 05:16 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks, jibel | 05:17 |
| jibel | Morning duflu | 05:22 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 05:35 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 05:40 |
| didrocks | hey ricotz | 05:45 |
| colinl | Hi everyone! | 07:05 |
| colinl | duflu: I've updated the patch we were talking about yesterday :) | 07:05 |
| colinl | and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors. I hope it'll go in (and upstream too!) :) | 07:06 |
| duflu | colinl, thanks. I'm not a sponsor myself, and I know the sponsors queue can be weeks deep. So it's good to get it in there early | 07:06 |
| colinl | I'm crossing fingers :) | 07:07 |
| colinl | TBH I already push my patched package to my users' desktops, but I'm sure that'll cause me more work as long as it's not upstreamed | 07:07 |
| didrocks | in the "fun bugs" style: | 07:25 |
| didrocks | - in a terminal, gnome-screenshot -a -> works as expected | 07:26 |
| didrocks | in the dock "quicklist" -> it doesn't | 07:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do you debug it? | 07:47 |
| seb128 | I can confirm, it's weird | 07:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't right now, on other things | 07:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's the only option which isn't upstream btw | 07:50 |
| seb128 | k, I'm poking a bit | 07:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: I wonder if it's related to "run in a terminal" | 07:50 |
| seb128 | which one? | 07:50 |
| didrocks | the "take a Screenshot of selected area" desktop entry | 07:50 |
| seb128 | the take a screenshot of a win doesn't work either for me | 07:50 |
| seb128 | in the context menu | 07:50 |
| didrocks | oh | 07:50 |
| didrocks | it did for me, or didn't? | 07:51 |
| didrocks | let me retry | 07:51 |
| didrocks | you're right, I thought I saw the flash first | 07:51 |
| didrocks | (as it's really subtile clues that it's been taken | 07:51 |
| didrocks | ok, so one upstream option doesn't work either | 07:51 |
| didrocks | would be easier to push on bugzilla thus :p | 07:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: could be related on a race grabbing something from wayland | 07:52 |
| didrocks | to* | 07:52 |
| seb128 | could be | 07:52 |
| seb128 | I'm looking at the env | 07:52 |
| didrocks | I would say try a "sleep 1 &&" | 07:52 |
| didrocks | just to rule that out | 07:53 |
| seb128 | the syslog has | 07:53 |
| seb128 | gnome-screensho[9531]: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11. | 07:53 |
| didrocks | (unsure how you can reload the desktop file though without reloading the shell) | 07:53 |
| didrocks | hum? | 07:53 |
| didrocks | and when ran on a terminal | 07:53 |
| didrocks | no message I guess? | 07:53 |
| seb128 | no | 07:53 |
| seb128 | maybe an env issue | 07:53 |
| didrocks | yeah | 07:53 |
| seb128 | I think the action is dbus activated | 07:53 |
| didrocks | well, the shell should have all dbus env… | 07:53 |
| didrocks | but yeah, good lead! :) | 07:53 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:57 |
| didrocks | happy friday willcooke | 07:59 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, happy friday | 08:00 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no diff in the env, sleep delay doesn't make a difference | 08:00 |
| Laney | ahoy | 08:02 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:02 |
| Laney | hey seb128, happy friday | 08:02 |
| Laney | waht's up | 08:02 |
| Laney | wh | 08:03 |
| Laney | at | 08:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: interesting… Have you tried Terminal=true? (maybe even on the main element for debugging as I don't know if that can be overriden per desktop action) | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey hey Laney | 08:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, let me keep looking a bit | 08:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, it's friday! | 08:05 |
| didrocks | even *F*riday :) | 08:06 |
| Laney | hey didrocks!!! | 08:06 |
| didrocks | fry day ? ;) | 08:06 |
| Laney | ah good old friday | 08:06 |
| Laney | my friend | 08:06 |
| * Laney has 999999999999 emails | 08:09 | |
| Laney | seems prodstack swift was a bit sad overnight | 08:10 |
| didrocks | testing thunderbird's limit? | 08:11 |
| Laney | oho | 08:16 |
| Laney | *mutt* could deal with it easily :P | 08:16 |
| didrocks | anyone knows the difference between org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power button-power vs power-button-action? | 09:06 |
| didrocks | (we were already overriding the first one, the second seems to be the "new" one?) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | greppingin g-s-d source code doesn't show up button-power | 09:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, those are old deprecated/removed in g-sd | 09:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=50564cde | 09:09 |
| didrocks | ah, making sense, so changing semantic and so removed | 09:10 |
| Laney | ones we kept for usd/ucc? | 09:10 |
| didrocks | hum, I don't know if we depends on it for ucc | 09:10 |
| * didrocks looks | 09:10 | |
| didrocks | yep | 09:10 |
| didrocks | we still use them there | 09:10 |
| Laney | nod | 09:10 |
| didrocks | ok, so just adding the new override | 09:10 |
| Laney | we have a few reverts for dropped stuff like that | 09:10 |
| didrocks | I wonder if it worths adding to migration keys | 09:11 |
| didrocks | are it seems it's not a one to one | 09:11 |
| didrocks | maybe doesn't worth it | 09:11 |
| Laney | mmm | 09:12 |
| Laney | those reverts might be a good thing to look at generally though, nice idea | 09:12 |
| seb128 | what migrated to what? | 09:12 |
| Laney | maybe some others can be migrated sensibly | 09:12 |
| didrocks | for our users button-power -> power-button-action | 09:12 |
| Laney | like if gsd upstream dropped something and we kept it, see what it was dropped for, maybe something to migrate there | 09:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: unsure anyone have cycles to look at usd/ucc for those | 09:13 |
| didrocks | but yeah, maybe some others can be migrated | 09:13 |
| seb128 | power-button -> power-button-action? | 09:13 |
| Laney | fine, that's just an idea | 09:13 |
| seb128 | wfm | 09:13 |
| seb128 | well they dropped it | 09:13 |
| seb128 | then added back under another name | 09:13 |
| seb128 | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=69d9d8b | 09:13 |
| seb128 | (go GNOME go) | 09:14 |
| seb128 | so yeah migrationg makes sense | 09:14 |
| didrocks | let me look if the enum is the same | 09:14 |
| Laney | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/files/head:/debian/patches/ some more reverts in there | 09:16 |
| didrocks | the enums are different | 09:17 |
| didrocks | and there isn't a one to one mapping | 09:18 |
| didrocks | let's override the default for now | 09:18 |
| didrocks | with interactive, as we discussed the other day | 09:18 |
| seb128 | +1 | 09:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the enum seems similar, there was just a logout action at the end which isn't there anymore | 09:20 |
| seb128 | no? | 09:20 |
| didrocks | are you sure? | 09:20 |
| didrocks | I http://paste.ubuntu.com/25488815/ | 09:21 |
| didrocks | have this ^ | 09:21 |
| didrocks | there is logout, the numbers don't match | 09:21 |
| didrocks | no more shutdown, a "blank" as well which was != from nothing | 09:21 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 09:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that's what I was looking at, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25488823/ | 09:24 |
| seb128 | so wrong thing I guess | 09:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: interesting that it doesn't match the enums schema file… | 09:25 |
| seb128 | anyway I don't think there is much need to migrate | 09:25 |
| seb128 | so yeah, interactive for all is good :-) | 09:25 |
| didrocks | yeah, I don't think it's the most important settings to migrate | 09:25 |
| didrocks | (and I'm not one telling that, note it down!) | 09:25 |
| didrocks | :p | 09:25 |
| didrocks | "that day"… | 09:25 |
| didrocks | ok, pushing this for the ubuntu session | 09:26 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: hey, did you work (I don't remember if there is a branch you proposed on the gtk theme) about separators? | 09:30 |
| didrocks | https://didrocks.fr/images/artful-shell-transition/dock_settings_finale.png | 09:30 |
| didrocks | -> I guess we are not supposed to have separators at all in the title bar | 09:31 |
| seb128 | speaking of theme | 09:31 |
| didrocks | (next to settings, we can see one, same next to the minimize/maximize/close buttons) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | does anyone else find that the spaces between items on the GNOME menus looks buggy | 09:31 |
| seb128 | like in the shell appmenu and in the context menus on the launcher | 09:31 |
| didrocks | (actually, there are separators, but they are aligned) | 09:32 |
| seb128 | it seems the same under adwaita (if I tested that correctly) | 09:32 |
| didrocks | you meant the separators are taking a whole line? | 09:33 |
| didrocks | instead of just separate? | 09:33 |
| seb128 | https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?tok=4ff128&media=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FImRfmSe.png | 09:33 |
| seb128 | that ^ | 09:33 |
| seb128 | I mean there is like 1km space between sections | 09:34 |
| seb128 | so yeah, maybe it's just one line | 09:35 |
| seb128 | but lines are big | 09:35 |
| seb128 | the space looks even bigger than a line of text | 09:35 |
| didrocks | yeah | 09:36 |
| didrocks | it seems like the separators are taking a while menu entry | 09:36 |
| didrocks | whole* | 09:36 |
| didrocks | (with the extra spaces between it, I think that's why it looks bigger) | 09:37 |
| didrocks | it didn't bug me much TBH, but I can see why you don't like it | 09:37 |
| seb128 | let's see if we get more people thinking it's a bug | 09:37 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: hey! Once you get time, as you are working on the gtk theme, do you mind looking at the g-c-c alignement issue + double border on the side panel? ^ | 09:40 |
| willcooke | didrocks, andyrock - the badge support for dock, is there a branch I can point to for the newsletter? | 09:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so gnome-screenshot makes the dbus call telling the shell to take a screenshot but the shell doesn't do it, it works if I change the focus though | 09:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, seems like a shell bug/limitation | 09:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the context menu "takes a grab" or some modern equivalent, or at least makes the screenshooting fail | 09:52 |
| seb128 | the file is never creates on disk | 09:52 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: in headerbar yes | 09:53 |
| seb128 | which makes the screenshoting fail/display the "can't talk to shell" warning | 09:53 |
| seb128 | the gerror is "can't open file" | 09:53 |
| seb128 | which is the file shell is supposed to write | 09:53 |
| didrocks | willcooke: andyrock proposed it to dash to dock, but it's under review: https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/590 | 09:54 |
| willcooke | didrocks, perfect, thanks | 09:54 |
| willcooke | good work andyrock | 09:55 |
| didrocks | seb128: some of those options are upstream, correct? | 09:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yes, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-screenshot/tree/src/org.gnome.Screenshot.desktop.in#n23 | 09:55 |
| seb128 | in any case even if they were not, the issue is a shell one | 09:56 |
| didrocks | yeah | 09:56 |
| * andyrock is working on the rest of api right now | 09:56 | |
| didrocks | Trevinho: also, it seems that it doesn't really support people tweaking the button to the left: http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=350870Capturedcrande20170908114547.png | 10:01 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: I remember I had that issue, but I think it's related to how that app is done... | 10:03 |
| Trevinho | Like using two bars. Thus the issue | 10:03 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: would make sense, I told the guy to report it to bugzilla anyway | 10:04 |
| flexiondotorg | @didrocks: I'll get what I worked on landed and then look at g-c-c borders after. | 10:57 |
| willcooke | seb128, finally got round to reading the meeting notes from this week while writing the news letter - it's been a busy week! Really exciting to see lots of fixes and improvements going in. Thanks desktoppers, good work! | 11:13 |
| Trevinho | :) | 11:13 |
| seb128 | willcooke, indeed :-) | 11:27 |
| colinl | hi! | 12:07 |
| colinl | are packages upstream versions already frozen for Artful ? | 12:08 |
| Laney | not exactly, but we are bug fixing rather than introducing new features now, and there is a freeze in place enforcing that | 12:09 |
| colinl | thanks | 12:09 |
| Laney | so it depends what is in the upstream version | 12:09 |
| seb128 | colinl, what package are you looking after? | 12:10 |
| colinl | seb128: nothing special. I'm just in the process of fixing a few bugs we hit at work on Xenial, trying to work with upstream maintainers to get them integrated. I guess i'll file bugs with debdiffs once the patches will go in upstream :) | 12:10 |
| colinl | and then SRU bugs for Xenial | 12:10 |
| seb128 | colinl, that sounds like a good idea, bugfixes and fine for artful for a while | 12:15 |
| colinl | ok :) | 12:15 |
| colinl | am I right in believing it's better to have my patches ack'd upstream before submitting them to Launchpad? | 12:16 |
| jamesh | colinl: as a general rule, we'd prefer to minimise the number of patches we need to maintain. | 12:18 |
| jamesh | colinl: when moving forward to a new upstream version, each of those patches could break and need to be fixed | 12:19 |
| colinl | completely understandable - that's why I'm trying to get them upstream too :) | 12:19 |
| seb128 | yeah that's better | 12:19 |
| seb128 | then cherrypicking to the package is fine | 12:19 |
| jamesh | a backport patch is a lot simpler though: the way to port it forward is to delete it :-) | 12:19 |
| colinl | indeed :) | 12:19 |
| colinl | well, I hope my patches will get some maintainer attention (it's sometimes hard in big projects :) ) | 12:20 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney - could you proof read the weekly newsletter when you get a mo? | 12:37 |
| seb128 | sure | 12:39 |
| doko | willcooke: who is responsible for firefox/thunderbird, at least in current development versions? | 12:46 |
| seb128 | doko, nobody | 12:47 |
| seb128 | which is an issue we know | 12:47 |
| doko | ok, good =) doesn't help migration of the current packages ;p | 12:48 |
| seb128 | right, patches/help are welcome | 12:49 |
| seb128 | it's one of the reasons we want to drop some archs, cf -devel list discussion | 12:49 |
| seb128 | though currently armhf is failing and that one needs fixing | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, when are we going to get firefox 55 in artful? | 13:26 |
| doko | kenvandine: ^^^ fix the armhf build ;-P | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | doko, oh... :-p | 13:38 |
| * kenvandine runs and hides | 13:38 | |
| doko | he really ran ... | 13:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, somebody needs to fix it but we don't have a maintainer, you are welcome to give it a try | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | lol | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | i crashed gnome-shell somehow | 13:44 |
| seb128 | though foundations said they would help to fix the armhf issue | 13:44 |
| chrisccoulson | can foundations take rust instead? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | willcooke, can you copy/share it to me in some other way? I don't know where my ubikey is and my google auth is not working for some reason so I'm out of 2fa | 13:44 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, that would be an idea :-) | 13:45 |
| Laney | willcooke: the snaps section is a copy of last week's? | 14:05 |
| willcooke | Laney, yeah, I moved it while I was copy and pasting to wordpress | 14:05 |
| willcooke | I wont put it in the email | 14:05 |
| willcooke | ta | 14:05 |
| Laney | ok | 14:06 |
| Laney | I guess that's what the yellow thing is | 14:06 |
| willcooke | ya | 14:07 |
| Laney | k, that'll do pig | 14:18 |
| willcooke | :) | 14:19 |
| doko | chrisccoulson, seb128: I provided the initial packages for the backports. the agreement was that these would be maintained by the desktop team. you're already doing all the llvm backports for mesa anyway, | 14:50 |
| jbicha | didrocks: it looks like your prediction was right https://bugzilla.gnome.org/787446 | 15:03 |
| ubot5` | Gnome bug 787446 in general "panel: Disable top bar transparency (by default)" [Normal,New] | 15:03 |
| didrocks | jbicha: yeah, I was expecting this to happen, seeing the time it took us to get good transparency/blur on Unity… | 15:25 |
| seb128 | doko, I don't think desktop has been touching any of those packages in the recent cycles | 15:39 |
| doko | seb128: sure, tjaalton does on a regular basis | 15:40 |
| doko | or isn't he -desktopish? | 15:40 |
| seb128 | doko, he isn't | 15:41 |
| doko | ohh, great | 15:42 |
| tjaalton | nah, hwe | 15:45 |
| willcooke | night all, have a good one | 17:11 |
| ahoneybun | oh goodness no | 21:56 |
| ahoneybun | https://didrocks.fr/images/artful-shell-transition/new-theme-main-view.png | 21:56 |
| ahoneybun | who thinks that looks good? | 21:57 |
| jbicha | ahoneybun: please be more respectful | 22:04 |
| jbicha | fwiw, there's a good chance the GNOME 3.26 top bar won't be translucent | 22:05 |
| tsimonq2 | (imho it would look still being a little translucent but if it's darker than the panel :) ) | 22:07 |
| * acheronuk looks at his customised plasma 5 with transparent panels | 22:20 | |
| ahoneybun | with that wallpaper it does not look good with transparent | 22:27 |
| Gargoyle | Evenin' | 22:28 |
| Gargoyle | Anyone got any thoughts on why "gnome-software --gapplication-service" is running at 450% cpu? | 22:30 |
| Gargoyle | This is 17.10 with all the latest updates to about 10 mins ago. | 22:34 |
| Gargoyle | Actually, launching gnome software spins up another 4 processes and takes it to 750% | 22:35 |
| Gargoyle | killall = gone. No side effects! :/ !? | 22:39 |
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