[02:48] <fareast> word up
[02:48] <fareast> I just realized I could run flipboard on linux
[02:48] <fareast> how many android apps have a port on here
[02:49] <fareast> I am not using ubuntu but am using elementary and I think it is like the same thing right?
[02:49] <fareast> In all honesty should I be running an android emulator
[02:50] <fareast> what is going to get me the best experience from a linux machine as far as apps?
[02:50] <fareast> I am looking for using it as a desktop option
[02:50] <fareast> I currently love windows 10 and see nothing wrong with it although I don't like how unpersonal windows has become it is just too easy especially if you work in IT
[02:51] <Bashing-om> fareast: Better to ask in ##linux .
[02:51] <fareast> thanks for the response
[02:51] <fareast> see you guys later
[05:46] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:52] <ducasse> good morning
[06:17] <EriC^^> hey ducasse o/
[06:17] <EriC^^> how are you?
[06:21] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, all good here. you?
[06:22] <EriC^^> good thanks
[06:23] <ducasse> any plans for the day? :)
[06:24] <EriC^^> plan to do a little coding for some script now
[06:24] <EriC^^> i want to add a "top useful comments" to the right side of youtubextras.com
[06:25] <EriC^^> what about you?
[06:27] <ducasse> not sure, maybe i'll try to finish a few chapters of the python book. i was also given an external disk a while back i've been planning to encrypt and write a backup script for.
[06:27] <ducasse> plus a udev trigger, so i just need to plug it in.
[06:30] <EriC^^> cool
[06:30] <EriC^^> i want to right a udev script or maybe a keyboard shortcut for the hdmi plug out/plug in, sometimes it doesn't switch back to laptop output
[06:32] <ducasse> either should be quite easy, udev rule would be nicer
[06:32] <EriC^^> yup
[06:33] <ducasse> is 'xrandr --auto' enough to fix it when this happens?
[06:37] <EriC^^> the screen works properly, the sound doesn't switch sometimes though
[06:38] <EriC^^> sometimes it switches, then when i logout and back in it'll go back to hdmi, it's kind of odd
[06:40] <ducasse> right, that sounds weird. maybe there are log messages from pulse?
[06:40] <EriC^^> that's a good idea, i'll check it out
[06:59] <EriC^^> hey immu
[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:22] <EriC^^> morning lordievader o/
[07:25] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^, how are you?
[07:26] <EriC^^> good thanks, what about you?
[07:27] <immu> how are you doing?
[07:27] <ducasse> \o lordievader
[07:27] <immu> lordievader, good morning
[07:27] <immu> hi ducasse
[07:27] <EriC^^> immu: good thanks, how are you?
[07:28] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:29] <lordievader> Hey immu
[07:30] <immu> had my breakfast and taking with my sister on skype :) you all
[12:09] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:09] <brunch_> mornin' Blueskaj
[12:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning brunch_
[12:24] <brunch> I installed unity
[12:24] <brunch> don't try to stop me
[12:29] <brunch> aaaah I missed it much
[12:29] <brunch> it's the best DE, don't understand the hate :(
[12:31] <TJ-> It's terrible on high-res and multi-monitor systems
[12:34] <brunch> I'm on high-res on a multi-monitor setup
[12:34] <brunch> :s
[12:35] <TJ-> I have 6 hi-res monitors; unity is unusuable on this setup. It gets in the way, puts applications on the wrong monitor, doesn't figure out the correct res for maximised windows on a single monitor, and other issues
[12:36] <brunch> oh I just use the big screen attached to my laptop
[12:38] <TJ-> And that sidebar launcher thing always gets in the way, or pops out when I move to a monitor on the left, or it sometimes would grab the mouse and prevent it moving to the left monitor
[12:39] <TJ-> the problem with unity was it's origins was in creating a GUI for phones/tablets and then forcing hi-res desktops to use the same layout, which simply doesn't scale properly for hi-res systems (forcing app menu's to the single top taskbar for example - until revolt forced the intro of the option to prevent that)
[12:50] <daftykins> brunch: heh you're only delaying the inevitable
[12:56] <TJ-> I solved the PSX controller missing buttons issue - turned out both devices I was testing with (a dualshock 2 and a dance-mat) had hardware failures (broken traces on their flexible ribbons). I had more of those devices stored away and fetched them and everything works fine
[12:56] <TJ-> So I wasted almost a day thinking there was a problem with the evdev/libinput stuff
[13:19] <daftykins> oof.
[14:11] <immu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piyUrLFvVUw
[14:12] <immu> EriC^^, hi ducasse BluesKaj :)
[14:40] <oerheks> nice video immu
[14:41] <oerheks> .. especially the universal access menu .. still watching
[14:42] <oerheks> cursor size, nice
[14:49] <nicomachus> immu: what Telegram app was that?
[14:49] <nicomachus> just a desktop client from Telegram itself?
[14:52] <oerheks> snap i guess
[14:52] <oerheks> telegram-sergiusens ?
[14:53] <immu> i am not sure as i didn't make the videos
[14:53] <immu> but you will get it in the app store
[14:55] <nicomachus> well I'm using an app called Franz that wraps Telegram in with a lot of others, I was going to recommend it. Haha
[14:55] <EriC^^> hey immu
[14:58] <immu> hey
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:26] <ducasse> hey, lotus! :)
[16:26] <ducasse> wb :)
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse how are you?
[16:26] <immu> lotuspsychje, ducasse hi
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[16:26] <immu> whats up
[16:27] <ducasse> i'm sleepy - zZzZzZ... :)
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> rainy here, movienight
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> and short break on irc
[16:27] <immu> hot here
[16:27] <immu> dry and hot
[16:27] <ducasse> watching what?
[16:27] <immu> send a small video of your rainyday
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: a french movie
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> immu: im not a social mediafreak :p
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> immu: your gonna have to trust my word
[16:29] <immu> i just wanted to see a rainy day on your side of the planet
[16:29] <ducasse> it's been raining here too, but not atm - just really grey
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> immu: google belgium forecast
[16:29] <immu> sure
[16:32] <ducasse> immu: a picture, if that helps you ;) https://dl2.pushbulletusercontent.com/SDJCbL6WDROx9KC71STPInaEyEGNL37L/20170908_182947.jpg
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0926759/
[16:33] <immu> lotuspsychje, thats lovely thnx
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> was pretty decent
[16:33] <immu> nice backyard :)
[16:36] <ducasse> the skies look a lot darker irl, bad camera on that phone
[16:37] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: not heard of it, french movies don't get much coverage here
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i see
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: nordic and english then?
[16:43] <ducasse> yup, mostly.
[16:44] <ducasse> i saw a poster for 'it' today, will probably go see that.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lets hope its gonna be better then dark tower :p
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: is it totaly new, or the remake of the old one?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[16:46] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[16:47] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: remake, aiui
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> i guess !wayland might need a remake soon also
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[16:47] <ubot5`> Wayland is a display server protocol that is intended to replace X. More information can be found at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ . Ubuntu is instead focusing on development of !Mir; see its factoid for more information.
[16:48] <ducasse> ouch
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> rip mir :p
[16:48] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj :)
[16:48] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[16:50] <BluesKaj> I've been wondering about wayland, and the good news is there's work progressing towards nvidia support for it
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: work in wich way you know?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> don't ask me were i saw that,m but it's nvidia linux devs afaik
[16:53] <BluesKaj> where
[16:54] <ducasse> BluesKaj: do you know what the actual problem is/has been? just reluctance?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yes, thaink they needed a kick in the butt to get moving on wayland support ...probly just "benign neglect"
[16:55] <ducasse> laziness, in other words :)
[16:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:58] <BluesKaj> think it was on one of the fedora project pages or one of it's developers blogs
[17:01] <BluesKaj> well I'm off to to some yardwork for a couple hrs ...BBL
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[17:01] <ducasse> don't think i've seen a "how do i configure this?" wayland question before in #ubuntu, in many ways i'm not looking forward to them
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> wouldnt know where to start
[17:03] <ducasse> well, i've played with it for a while, and there are plenty of things i know how to do in x11 that is just completely missing
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol)
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> lets c lol
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> jesus thats some heavy stuff
[17:09] <ducasse> tl;dr
[17:10] <ducasse> so, stuff like hidpi and resolutions, for example - is that up to the individual compositors to handle?
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> i have no idea ducasse
[17:14] <ducasse> looks like it, from the little i can find
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems
[17:19] <ducasse> good find :) i'm on the arch wiki myself, always my first stop :)
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[17:26] <daftykins> mmm that wiki situation is a sad one
[17:26] <ducasse> meep-meep!
[17:26] <daftykins> seemed like such a minefield every time i tried to improve a 'buntu page, though
[17:28]  * lotuspsychje_ hates lags grrr
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> i posted the mms prob on a belgium provider forum
[17:32] <daftykins> ah har
[17:32] <daftykins> 90% of replies "so that's the guy that uses MMS" :D
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> a guy posted his mms settings
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> and their all the same, so probably its provider block somehow
[17:35] <daftykins> hrmm, yeah definitely a weird one! although i once had a quirk with a telco in England where texts wouldn't send and i'd get charged, it was because the SIM had an incorrect "message service center" built in
[17:35] <daftykins> the phone i had at the time had no way to change that, so i had to just pop into the telco shop and get a newer SIM
[17:36] <daftykins> not sure if the age of SIM is relevant to your client
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> aha thats an idea daftykins
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> they sent the new simcard through the mail
[17:36] <ducasse> EriC^^: here we go, silvian returns...
[17:36] <immu> lotuspsychje, ask your carrier to msg you the settings to your phone
[17:36] <immu> install and reboot
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: troll?
[17:37] <daftykins> yeah settings aren't gonna help
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: the weird thing was, on the phone apn settings there was a whole list of apn's
[17:38] <daftykins> yeah usually android handsets just guess and you have to pick (but only for data)
[17:38] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: "i know *everything*", except he really doesn't
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: uh-oh
[17:38] <daftykins> mine only has my data one, then the mms one
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: this provider is a 'branch' of another bigger provider, perhaps they block new customers of same settings?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> i had this with my phone once
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> main provider had to enter some number in router, but they took too long to do it
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> so phone didnt work
[17:41] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje daftykins ducasse
[17:41] <EriC^^> immu
[17:41] <daftykins> \o
[17:42] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: i watched pirates of the carribean today, it was kind of fun
[17:42] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: ooooh is it an MVNO perhaps? mobile virtual network operator, use anothers' equipment but operate on their own
[17:42] <immu> what EriC^^ ?
[17:42] <immu> i watched wonder woman?
[17:43] <immu> lotuspsychje, which phone you got?
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: not really, its a new existing provider, but also uses same dsl lines in belgium
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> immu: i got ubuntu aquarius 4.5
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> immu: but this mms problem is on a galaxy A3 2017
[17:44] <daftykins> can't remember, did touch die entirely on phone?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: updates stopped on july 2017
[17:45] <daftykins> and that's it forever more?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> but im still using it atm
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i should install the ubports image now
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> that projects continues the job
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> #ubports
[17:46] <daftykins> nicomachus: oh i read a claim that oreo is using mobile data even with wifi on and connected, but i always turn mobile data off manually so i've no idea if it's true :D
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: also turnoff data myself
[17:47] <daftykins> i only pay for 500MB/month :)
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> i got prepaid, 50 euro for few months
[18:07] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: did you see shotcaller yet?
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: not yet you?
[18:08] <EriC^^> nope not yet
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> tv time here guys
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> first ep of the voice of flanders
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> laterz all
[18:09] <EriC^^> the voice of flanders?
[18:09] <EriC^^> simpsons flanders?
[18:09] <immu> maybe we should google it ?
[18:10] <ducasse> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Voice_van_Vlaanderen
[18:10] <EriC^^> ohhh
[18:12] <immu> The Voice van Vlaanderen
[18:12] <immu> :)
[18:15] <EriC^^> i'm hyped for the america's got talent show
[18:15] <EriC^^> every year i watch it on youtube, pretty close this year
[18:42] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: mmcblk0p2 == ? AHCI set in nios ? and recon this is a NVME device where we want the boot parameter nvme_load=YES  ??
[18:43] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: that's one of the hybrid tablet pc's
[18:43] <Bashing-om> bios/nios
[18:43] <immu> https://youtu.be/aSWihp6yV4Q
[18:43] <daftykins> nah MMC is non-NVMe :)
[18:45] <Bashing-om> daftykins: :) .. Oh when can we return you to ubuntu support direct ... Oh me oH My :)
[18:47] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:52] <EriC^^> let's make ubuntu great again!
[18:53] <EriC^^> haha
[18:53] <immu> EriC^^, yeah
[18:53] <daftykins> XD
[18:53] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Great ... I miss 10.04 !
[19:00] <immu> hmm
[19:00] <daftykins> back when times were simple :)
[19:01] <immu> yeah