 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Home
 Probably the best spot for me to start reading
 We don't really have anything for setting up APN's.
 If you have a CDMA network, there's nothing to do from what I can tell. GSM might require you to select an option that is stored on the SIM.
 i was thinking https://ting.com/ damn Jupiter broadcasting
 Pick whichever one is better in your area and you should be good to go.
 cool thanks for all your help
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 what bridge is UBPorts using? if it is the TeleIRC bot . . . have you considered looking into Matterbridge? … https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge
 It's TeleIRC. Why should we switch?
 not really saying you should but Matterbridge does a LOT of bridging with Mattermost, IRC, XMPP, Gitter, Slack, Discord, Telegram, Rocket.Chat, Hipchat(via xmpp), Matrix and Steam
 so really just suggesting to have a look if you want
 Interesting.
[00:35] <nerdboy> okay, how do i make an issue on the right github repo if issues are disabled
[00:35] <nerdboy> that might be why i did PR previously
 Are you specifically working on our build system, or Halium's?
[00:36] <nerdboy> i patched a few things in the source of my build tree (https://github.com/ubports/android_external_e2fsprogs) and i still get the same error
[00:37]  * nerdboy never claimed to be android geek
[00:37] <nerdboy> actually all this is so i can get a bootlog from my kernel
 Oh, it doesn't manage to put one in /var/log/last_kmesg?
[00:39] <nerdboy> it's experimental
[00:39] <nerdboy> and no, that doesn't work for this use case
[00:41] <nerdboy> https://bpaste.net/raw/ccd6cfc5d14d <= the error
[00:41] <nerdboy> which i
[00:41] <nerdboy> 'm pretty sure i could've fixed by now with a slightly saner build system
[00:42] <nerdboy> but i can't charge 8 days to the customer for spelunking when i'm supposed to be debugging a kernel
[00:42] <nerdboy> sorry for being irritated
[00:44] <nerdboy> and i haven't been able to find anything that actually explains how to do what i need to do, just the basic setup instructions, eg, repo init, blah make
[00:44] <nerdboy> i really should just stick with mainline porting, i hate these old google kernels...
 @UniversalSuperBox, There "are" APN's for CDMA on certain devices now...I had to set mine up when I switched to Lineage OS. I thought it was odd, but I had no data until I completed the APN setup. Once that was done, everything worked.
 nerdboy, I'm not entirely sure what your client wants you to do with a Fairphone or Android phone. Maybe something like xda would be able to put you on a better track? … Our most expert developer is in France right now, which is why I'm looking for a redirect.
[00:49] <nerdboy> i'm doing a 3.10 kernel for a 3.4 phone
[00:50] <nerdboy> i need to see my debug output
[00:50] <nerdboy> period
[00:50] <nerdboy> and their fastboot is also broken wrt loading a kernel
 Yes it is
[00:50] <nerdboy> so i need to use an actual image like recovery
[00:51] <nerdboy> i synced today to sync my lates kernel-y stuff and the build is broken in e2fsprogs
[00:52] <nerdboy> that's about it
[00:52] <nerdboy> wasted a day and i still don't have anything to look at
 You said you had a phone with UART?
[00:53] <nerdboy> so i can get an actual bootlog
 You can't put the kernel log through there?
[00:54] <nerdboy> it fails and bootloops so that is the only way
[00:54] <nerdboy> i can but IT NEEDS TO BOOT at least part way
[00:55] <nerdboy> i just told you i have to use an image because fastboot doesn't work
[00:55] <nerdboy> image build is broken
 One moment, getting Hexchat running
[00:56] <nerdboy> i actually forced myself to use caps
[00:56]  * nerdboy needs a beer and a bottle of tequila
[00:57] <nerdboy> can you do /query instead?
 uh
[00:57] <UniSuperBox> You have no idea how much of an IRC noob I am. That's why I don't have Hexchat running all the time.
[00:59] <nerdboy>  /msg is inline, /query is private tab/window
[01:01] <UniSuperBox> Can you check your tabs again?
[01:47] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Uk4zozzC/file_422.webp
[02:26] <tgBot> Josué was added by: Josué
 Welcome Josué
 Hello, everybody
 nerdboy, I have to head off for the night. Thanks for filing that issue, I'll investigate where I can tomorrow.
[03:10] <nerdboy> i thought ubports was more people
[03:10] <nerdboy> is it just you doing everything?
 Nope, but most of the devs are in Paris for Ubucon right now
 I'm flattered that you would think that, though.
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 @BrisPete, Looking good! 😃
 @DanChapman, Very nice Dekko 2. Thanks
 @nerdboy, In case you are still online: The core team is as small as 10 ppl roughly, plus 5-10 related. Before Canonical employed 100 full-time developers. I hope you get the point
[08:13] <nerdboy> you definitely need a dev recruiting drive...
[08:13] <nerdboy> apply to the google as a GSoC org
[08:14] <nerdboy> you could at least get students to work on stuff on google's dime
 We are in process of filing a foundation, then it will become easier
 We will try to recruit people then. Also we can now and then get even paid services
 But before that happens we must be a legal entity for tax and other reasons
[08:15] <nerdboy> get ready for next year, org applications are after the first of the year some time
[08:16] <nerdboy> https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
[08:17] <nerdboy> i should switch back to toolchain hacking for Ada support tomorrow
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 @nerdboy, I dont know if people here are keen on working with Google, and in the same time want to get rid of Android & Google Play. It sounds like a conflict of interests
 @nerdboy, 👍
 Fwd from vanyasem: why is there no SSL certeficate for ci.ubports.com?
 bump
 bump
 Fwd from mariogrip: the system-image server had some problem fetching images using https, so had to disable it
 Oh, okay, didn't see this. That's a bummer though, as I can't open it with ssl enforced
 Well I could imagine we turn on both but dont forward http => https. That should be possible
 I take a note for this on Infra
 @Flohack I just want to say (hopefully again) that you guys from core team are really doing great work, thank you
 @thepeter, thax for the flower ❤️
 @Flohack, 🌹🌷💐
 @thepeter, +1 again 👍
[10:03] <tgBot> io_nl was added by: io_nl
 @io_nl, welcome!
 Thanks :) \o
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/JMtKynpQ/file_459.jpg
 Frommen logviewer.
 *from app
[10:33] <tgBot> François Njeneza was added by: François Njeneza
 welcome :)
 @DanChapman tried to get log pasted in paste bin for you. Di you know another method to share the log?
 You could get it using ssh or adb shell or something like that
 have any one idea about this error (i think its related to sepolicy) … E/cutils  (   60): Failed to read /data/.layout_version: No such file or directory … E/sdcard  (   60): installd fs upgrade not yet complete. Waiting...
[10:50] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Walid is your Port based on halium?
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/oaknosGG/file_461.jpg
 We are having a very serious ubucon 😄
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/C9RYGkdf/file_462.webp
 no, its 100% ubports, working also on halium,(for halium system boot, container start, test_hwcomposer work, vibrator, lights but no graphics waiting for rootfs caf)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wjwUPjGW/file_463.webp
 hahaha
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/Y0omxjr2/file_465.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/jrmd3IKr/file_467.jpg And having full blast convergene. People’s jaws are dropping :)
 can anyone see if there is a file in /data named ".layout_version" ?
 @Mohannes, 👍
 @Mohannes, 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
 @Mohannes, 👍👍👍 as well 😀
 @jacobmdekker, My mistake. Owncloud sync works fine.
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[12:57] <tgBot> Georgecloon was added by: Georgecloon
 @Georgecloon, Welcome :D
 @Mohannes, 👌
 Thank you
 I'm going to install Ubuntu Touch on my E5 again so I figured I should join this group
 that's a good idea :)
 you just came in, in it's quiet moments  (ongiong ubuncon together with saturday afftrenoon are the main reasons 😁)
 Oh, okay
 Where would I get my apps now that the Ubuntu Store is closing?
 Openstore?
 Yep openstore.
 How many apps are in there nowadays?
 I remember that a few modified versions of apps like Dekko  were in there.
 @DanChapman good job with dekko 2 !! Btw the notifications do not work, do they ?
[14:03] <tgBot> aorzh was added by: aorzh
 @LarreaMikel thanks! no not yet but will do soon. Working on that right now 😊
 Great! Thank you!! \m/
 @Flohack is MTP mode work on any device ? and sdcard is detected ?
 When I try to install Ubuntu Touch on my Aquaris E5 HD with Magic Device Tool I get this: "/launcher.sh: line 103: ./devices/e5hd/e5hd.sh: No such file or directory"
 should I just run e5hd.sh manually?
 Because it does exist
 @LarreaMikel, moi aussi
 @Georgecloon, Good idea to join the MDT group on here
 Right, I'll ask over there
 Sorry
 No need for sorry. It is a specific group for that though
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/t8grOkI0/file_468.webp
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/vdADsbd7/file_470.png
 @LarreaMikel ^^
[17:27] <nerdboy> tgBot: i don't think so, this google's open source programs office
[17:27] <nerdboy> they just pay and organize, the orgs/students do the work
[17:28] <nerdboy> my guess is they would accept the org application just so they don't look they're playing favorites/unfavorites
[17:29] <nerdboy> this has absolutely nothing to do with android on the google side
 @DanChapman, Nice work!
[17:30] <nerdboy> it's really not "working with google" rather working with your org/students
[17:30] <nerdboy> they just pay
[17:31] <nerdboy> gentoo is an org and they use gentoo for chromeos
[17:31] <nerdboy> totally not related to google's os stuff
 @DanChapman great wirk with Dekko 2. Kudos!
 I see calender. Do Dekko also will display calendar in future?
 looks like Dekko in future can be enhanced to a single communication hub. Would it also be able to manage matrix accounts like thunderbird will hopefully do?
 @DanChapman, Uaaauuuu
 @bastos777, Yes that is the plan to do calendar, contacts, notes etc as well
[18:19] <nerdboy> cal-dav app?
 @bastos777, Yes that would be possible.
 CalDAV would be implemented elsewhere, no?
 It's really just a case of creating a content plugin that dekkod can load. So most messaging formats should work. and a UI plugin to actually show the data
 ooh
[18:22] <nerdboy> battery/power control seems all over the place depending on the build installed
[18:23] <nerdboy> or i could have one phone with a wonky battery i guess...
[18:24] <nerdboy> but, the one updated via dev channel(?) dies when turned off, other phone battery stays charged when turned off
[18:24] <nerdboy> go figure...
 Hmm, so it isn't shutting down fully?
[18:25] <nerdboy> afaict it is
[18:26] <nerdboy> uart phone battery seems somewhere in between those two
 Maybe we aren't poking the modem correctly to get it to shut down
 Or any other component, for that matter
 Are your two phones of a similar age, or wildly different?
[18:26] <nerdboy> the "good" one still has same install as when i got it
[18:27] <nerdboy> the updated one craps out
[18:27] <nerdboy> so, you're probably on the right track
[18:28] <nerdboy> they all look the same to me, one has black back, one has translucent back
 Hmm, I thought these things had the date of manufacture on them
 But they've made small tweaks to the hardware from batch to batch, it seems
[18:29] <nerdboy> the updated one has other stability problems, depending on the build
 I'm wondering if there might bea hardware defect in a batch that we don't know about?
[18:29] <nerdboy> that's why i kept the other one as-is
 It's more likely it's our software
 But considering the recent recovery issue...
[18:30] <nerdboy> didn't notice much difference when they both had the same build installed
 Good.
[18:30] <nerdboy> only after updating the one phone several times, trying new builds
 Shooting from the hip, I'd say we'd want to look at how FairPhone's Open OS does its shutdown. Specifically the modem. I don't trust that thing's blob firmware as far as I can throw it
 But I can throw it pretty far, I guess.
 So that's a bad analogy
[18:32] <nerdboy> doing the flashing on debian, although i made some gentoo packages for phablet-flash plus deps
[18:33] <nerdboy> i stopeed after the next thing needed a bunch more (unpackaged) python deps
 I don't think it'd be related to the flashing process.
[18:33] <nerdboy> build stuff works fine on gentoo
 And ubuntu-device-flash is the only part of phablet-tools that I think we use any more. I think.
[18:33] <nerdboy> didn't say it did, just noting a slightly different host os
 Right
 @DanChapman, ^^ Great!
 yo wtf phone ?  https://youtu.be/h7C6yGgWVX4
 12GB ram, 1TB Rom, 60MP front cam
 etc
 oO
 2x snapdragon 830 processor
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Uukei9qG/file_471.mp4
 Remember. More megapixels doesn't mean better
 x2 snapdragon
 12gbram
 because who needs a phone that lasts for more than an hour anyway
 ported UBports  😆
 @Sconio, (also the one in this video has specs similar to the fairphone 2, you're thinking of the Cadenza which was just Turing being dumb)
 @Walid, Not sure. But if i connect my E5 i can access both internal and external storage
 And for fairphone 2 worl also ?
 storageask @neothethird
 damn bug!
 sd card not work properly for my device, sometime file manager show it, some times no, …  and when connected to PC nothing showing , need more debug and test
 I found out it sometimes needs time to show the sd card ;)
[19:35] <nerdboy> actually a conflict of interest would more like a ubports dev subverting something for some google-y purpose
[19:36] <nerdboy> they're pretty much hands-off the org stuff (orgs just follow the process) and afaik the open source programs people have nothing to do with other google projects
[19:37] <nerdboy> i've asked a few of them, and they truly don't know shit about any other google-y stuff...
 Flo
 in UBports installer, i use for my nexus 5,
 what is password ?
 @Sconio, Your laptop sudo pw
 oh ok
 @LarreaMikel, Update dekko from the openstore v0.1.2 to try out what's working so far 😃
 still need to do launcher emblem counts and remove notifications that belong to read messages. But it's a start
 @DanChapman, Which needs delete and then install?
 Nope just upgrade through openstore
 Ah ok
[20:14] <tgBot> * DanChapman wonders who the first person to update was...
[20:18] <tgBot> * Fuchur777
 Right... Haha
[20:26] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Anyone using a oneplus one as daily ubports drivee
[20:27] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Driver?
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 @DanChapman, Great! Try POP3...works. Messages reach inbox, but deleting don't work for me. Dialog "x message deleted" appear and in 5 or 7 seconds it disappear without deleting the message.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/B59tj88h/file_473.jpg
 Test Notifications for dekko2, it works! Excellent work, Dan.
 @mariogrip, Running on a nexus 5 at our booth at ubucon
 @mariogrip, 👌👍
[22:59] <tgBot> <Jaume Al habla desde el zapatofóno> 👍
 @mariogrip, I didnt saw them ! … /me installing it on m10
[23:01] <tgBot> <Jaume Al habla desde el zapatofóno> What is your opinion about Wire?supergroup. Althought we haven't app for Ubuntu Touch. …  I ask to supergroup.
[23:04]  * nerdboy would've been GSoC mentor for Gentoo but got sucked into beagleboard.org the one year gentoo wasn't an org...
[23:05] <nerdboy> should be possible to leverage gsoc for a dev or two as well as student "interns"
[23:09]  * nerdboy thinking about recruiting ads
 Notifications works 👍. Thanks @DanChapman
[23:10] <nerdboy> actually i think software docs (especially developer docs) count as "code" for gsoc
[23:12]  * nerdboy trying to unravel the gordian knot of recruiting devs but not having awesome deveoloper docs
 nerdboy: damn it, I could have probably made that GSoC cash without stress!
 I do question who you're talking to, though
[23:14] <nerdboy> you apparently
[23:15] <nerdboy> what stress?  i've done it the last three years, ask any questions you want
 I mean, without the stress I acquired from the jobs I had instead of SoC
[23:16] <nerdboy> the org suggests projects and normally we get proposals for those plus a bunch of other stuff
[23:17] <nerdboy> probably less "other stuff" for more typical orgs
[23:18] <nerdboy> one of the suggested ubports projects could certainly be developer/user docs
 Or maybe not. You do seem to dislike the docs we have. I wrote lots of 'em. :P
[23:18] <nerdboy> i don't "dislike" them per se
 @UniversalSuperBox
 Thanks Simon
 np lol
[23:19] <nerdboy> they are just a bit too concise i guess
 Oh? Too many assumptions?
[23:19] <nerdboy> the best examples are also kind of a high bar
[23:20] <nerdboy> mainly gentoo/yocto
 Well, sure. I always want to improve though.
[23:20] <nerdboy> which is what slaves, er interns are for
 Any specific examples of what needs to be improved?
[23:21] <nerdboy> if you're still in school you could be gsoc student, otherwise you'd have to be a mentor
 I am. Associate's and not Bachelor's or above, though
[23:22] <nerdboy> what did just talk about last night?  i'd vote for a "hacking the build setup" doc
[23:22] <nerdboy> *we even
[23:23] <nerdboy> including some androidian stuff until it goes bye-bye
[23:23] <nerdboy> it wasn't too bad for some stuff, mainly the repos tied to the hardware/kernel
[23:24] <nerdboy> but it still took a lot of spelunking without any real roadmap
[23:24] <nerdboy> luckily i have a little experience hacking build systems
[23:25] <nerdboy> but, when it breaks all bets are off and feels like i neevr touched it before
[23:26] <nerdboy> if we really need to scope that project then i would try to get a bunch of feedback first
[23:27] <nerdboy> probably a survey or two and some draft stuff
[23:28] <nerdboy> at least have roadmap for the "full" docs you'd like to have
[23:29] <nerdboy> but more than that is recruiting more people to help on the dev side, including docs/community stuff
[23:30] <nerdboy> didn't say it was easy, yocto is under linux foundation
[23:30] <nerdboy> gentoo *is* a foundation and spent a lot of time working on docs
[23:31] <nerdboy> even before i joined in 2003