[04:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:16] <ducasse> morning
[06:38] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[06:45] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, all well today?
[06:45] <EriC^^> yeah, thanks, yourself?
[06:47] <ducasse> all good. waking up with a coke and a smoke :)
[06:48] <EriC^^> :)
[06:50] <ducasse> looking at my router 'nest', thinking i should straighten out the cable mess there...
[06:52] <EriC^^> nest :D
[06:53] <ducasse> that's what it looks like now :)
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:13] <daftykins> hey \o
[14:13] <daftykins> what's new?
[14:13] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, enjoying your weekend?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, yes , how about you?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, mucking about with fedora 27
[14:15] <daftykins> ah har
[14:17] <ducasse> what do you think?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> the networking setup isclunky as hell, it's aful trying to setup a ststic IP. all the documentataion is old and out of date
[14:19] <BluesKaj> static IP
[14:20] <BluesKaj> they assume everyoe wants to use NM
[14:20] <immu> hiyaaa
[14:20] <BluesKaj> uhoh KB battery is blinking low power
[14:21] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[14:21] <ducasse> i started using systemd-networkd on arch, it's actually nice to be able to learn _one_ way to do this and be done with it.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> well at least arch doesn't use 5 or 6 different conf files to setup a network interface
[14:24] <immu> how many have looked into solus
[14:24] <daftykins> seems all distros think you want automagic-and-fail networking :<
[14:24] <ducasse> not with networkd, at least, i haven't tried netctl and the other alternatives
[14:25] <BluesKaj> fedora looks like pile of multi-scripts that just been added to for every release and never treid to make it a comprehensive simplified system
[14:26] <BluesKaj> the networking system that is'
[14:26] <ducasse> that was my impression as well when i looked at it, but that was a few releases ago
[14:27] <BluesKaj> think it's worse now with systemd in the mix
[14:30] <BluesKaj> anyway the packaging system looks like it's received a lot more attention to impress the innocent, but it's also kind of slow and ponderous in the konsole
[14:30] <BluesKaj> dnf was supposed fix that I think
[14:32] <BluesKaj> I was interested due it's work on pipewire , but the man is very sketchy
[14:34] <BluesKaj> I'll be searching for another test distro to run on the old hdd soon
[14:35] <immu> pipewire is work in progress
[14:37] <BluesKaj> pipewire has very little progress in real terms atm ... glowing reports don't reflect the reality
[14:38] <immu> its meant to eventually replace pulse audio and jack
[14:38] <immu> since its fedora's pet project i would be very concerned about it
[14:39] <BluesKaj> anyway, gonna switch back to kubuntu...bbiab
[14:42] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:43] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[14:43] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, how are you?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> pauljw, just fine thanks, and you ?
[14:44] <pauljw> doing good, thanks.
[14:50] <ducasse> bbiab
[14:50] <pauljw> :)
[15:00] <pauljw> FYI in case it comes up in support: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2370993
[15:00] <pauljw> some servers are down
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> hey guys
[15:12] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> wow gnome system settings have been changed nicely
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> lemme grab a screen
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> http://imgur.com/a/WiCHa
[15:29] <immu> yeah
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> and change dock positions
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> artful is so nice release!
[15:34] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, having a nice weekend?
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: hey mate, a working once :p
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> *one
[15:35] <immu> ducasse, leaving
[15:36] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: when are you starting the new job?
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: 2 october :p
[15:39] <ducasse> cool, looking forward to it?
[15:40] <immu> what job? which job? ;)
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: very, i can also work in between on my days off
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: finally more free time i needed
[15:44] <ducasse> that will be good, hope they are better at keeping their promises :)
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: they sure will, because this restaurant is only open at noon
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> a whole world of difference
[15:46] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje :)
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so small service from 11.30 till 14h/15h
[15:46] <ducasse> ah, right. well, best of luck! :)
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> thanks mate
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: weekends off and holidays will do me alotta goods
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[15:47] <pauljw> :)
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: found another bug of some sorts
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: like a screen glitch in the dock
[15:51] <ducasse> could be a driver bug?
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> lemme imgur it
[15:52] <ducasse> pauljw: do you live some place that will be affected by irma?
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: on chromium icon: http://imgur.com/a/JE6Iu
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> irma is WOW!
[15:53] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: try opening the icon file, could be file corruption
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> i did open chromium doesnt change
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> lemme try remove and re-add
[15:54] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: no, i mean the right chromium-browser.png or whatever it is
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> oh
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> wich folder is that again?
[15:55] <ducasse>  /usr/share/icons/<theme>
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> wow more folders
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[15:59] <pauljw> ducasse, not really, we're expecting some rain out of it, that's about it.  i'm in Indiana, the middle of the country.
[15:59] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[15:59] <pauljw> EriC^^
[15:59] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[15:59] <pauljw> :)
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: /usr/share/applications shows a full chromium icon
[16:02] <ducasse> pauljw: good, i guess a hurricane would dissipate most of it's energy before it got that far inland
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: checkout new gnome settings and movable dock: http://imgur.com/a/WiCHa
[16:02] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: try resizing the dock?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> bingo!
[16:03] <pauljw> yeah, even as big as irma is, landmass takes the energy out of them.
[16:03] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it worked?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: size 36 glitches it, all other sizes fixes it!
[16:04] <pauljw> :)
[16:04] <EriC^^> looks good!
[16:04] <EriC^^> is that wayland?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its not final, so not sure
[16:05] <EriC^^> so clean though
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: lotuspsychje@ArtfullBOX:~$ ps -e | grep X
[16:05] <lotuspsychje>   923 tty1     00:10:19 Xorg
[16:05] <EriC^^> aha
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: that would count as a bug right?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> lemme add a full dock icons
[16:06] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i'd think so, could be a problem resizing the icon file to fit the dock at 36x36
[16:07] <ducasse> ask in +1 if anyone can confirm
[16:08] <ducasse> (i'd do it, but i really don't want to install all of gnome)
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> only chromium glitches, weird
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> got a full dock with icons now
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> replacing to other place doesnt fix
[16:11] <ducasse> try reinstalling chromium-browser, maybe the theme as well - not sure where it gets the icon from
[16:12] <ducasse> (icon theme, that is)
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> lemme try that
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> purging
[16:13] <ducasse> there is /usr/share/pixmaps/chromium-browser.png in chromium-browser, could be that
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> reinstalling
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: fixxed now
[16:16] <ducasse> so, probably bad file
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah, tnx for help
[16:17] <ducasse> np
[16:17] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: do you remember a guy in +1 having problems with a snap the other day? i can't remember who else was present...
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> pixmaps show correct png
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i remember a snap discussion, but not sure it was +1, what was it about again?
[16:19] <ducasse> js error when trying to run, it was an electron app
[16:19] <ducasse> anyway, today someone else had the exact same problem with a different snap, also electron based
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> no cant recall something about that
[16:21] <ducasse> we should keep an eye open, see if it happens to others
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: remember wich day it was?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: got it: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/09/08/%23ubuntu+1.html
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> ballyhoo
[16:26] <ducasse> yes, that was the last one (i didn't see it until this morning), there was one earlier. pretty sure it was in +1, since it definitely was for artful.
[16:28] <ducasse> yep, thursday
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i guess snaps the owner is responsable for, so we will get nice snaps and not so nice snaps?
[16:29] <immu> folks
[16:29] <immu> does any one remember place value of maths?>
[16:30] <ducasse> idk, but this only seems to affect some people, and only on artful
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/why-electron-apps-arent-bad-2
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> didnt find usefull artful bugs yet
[16:38] <ducasse> i'll look into it further tomorrow, but maybe this could be an artful bug
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah