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lounge-user55heckles1: welcome to #juju01:29
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bdxbdxbdxheckles1: you made it!01:30
heckles1that i did02:02
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bdxthis may be a silly question, why can't JAAS support all the providers?16:47
bdxif your maas or openstack had public endpoints that JAAS could talk to, it would theoretically be possible right?16:48
rick_hbdx: in theory yes16:48
bdxrick_h: it probably isn't the best idea to have the agents talking to the controller over the wan though ... or is it?16:50
rick_hbdx: yea, not a good idea. Between networking/egress complexity, having every hook fire event going over the wan, etc.17:02
bdxyeah17:03
bdxthats what I was thinking17:03
bdxrick_h: how come `juju users` doesn't work in JAAS?17:03
bdxis there another way to get the users in my model?17:04
rick_hbdx: because it's SSO backed and doesn't list all users in SSO17:04
rick_hbdx: juju show-model xxx17:04
bdxoh niceee17:04
bdxrick_h: thx17:04
bdxrick_h: https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/eaca40c935ffc8c2cfaf0ca7e0f33d4d17:50
fallenour_So18:19
fallenour_who do I scream at for trying to force me to use ubuntu username only when I could ssh in as root?18:19
fallenour_because that jackass has locked me out of my entire juju environment, and cost me 8 days of work18:19
fallenour_Oh, and wiped out about 40 non profits entire infrastructure18:19
fallenour_So fuck you *insert name here*18:20
fallenour_Other than that, juju is fucking stellar18:20
fallenour_Also, how do I upload my custom build xenial openstack build out? Id like to share that with the community, thankfully I have most of my work in yamls, its just a bitch waiting for it all to build out18:21
rick_hfallenour_: not sure on the first one what you mean there. The ubuntu images used in cloud/lxd deployments and such are ubuntu which by default uses sudo and no root login. I'm guessing that conflicts with something you were expecting?18:23
rick_hand for the second one, upload your custom xenial openstack build out, is that the bundle? ... oic you want to snapshot the images themselves to use as the deployment. Because the charms allow things to be mutable and respond to events/their environment the tricks to use custom images takes a bit of hackery and aren't fully supported18:25
rick_hbdx: nice with the plugin :)18:25
fallenour_ughhh19:00
fallenour_so sad :(19:00
fallenour_anyone know how to create a permanent bundle for juju charms store?19:04
rick_hfallenour_: the easy way is to use the juju-gui export button to export the yaml. The you use the charm command to upload to the store. Let me get the docs link for you19:07
fallenour_I got the charm yaml ready, I just need the guide if one exists19:08
fallenour_shweeet!19:08
rick_hfallenour_: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charms-bundles19:08
fallenour_HAZAAH!19:09
fallenour_time to add a couple hundred charm bundles19:09
fallenour_seriously guys20:34
fallenour_whats the deal with juju20:34
fallenour_why does it need a machine for maas20:34
fallenour_a machine for juju20:34
fallenour_and then ANOTHER MACHINE for ANOTHER JUJU controller, when I already have juju installed?20:34
fallenour_why do I have to waste 3 servers for this shit?20:34
fallenour_conjure-up is seriously driving me insane20:35
stokachuWhy20:38
fallenour_Why indeed @stokachu20:38
fallenour_why cant it all deploy and manage from a single server, and then the juju enable-ha simply clone itself via maas to another box, and build another regional maas and juju for HA?20:38
fallenour_why waste so much hardware on something that uses next to no resources whatsoever?20:39
stokachuSorry I meant conjure-up20:39
fallenour_dhcp and IPMI pretty much anything over lan eats next to no ram, no cpu, and little bandwidth20:39
fallenour_yea conjure-up20:39
fallenour_and then it proceeds to grab anothe rbox for juju, a second one20:39
fallenour_for 3 wasted servers20:39
fallenour_and heaven forbid you are intereste din landscape, because that eats a 4th20:40
stokachuSo there is a architect button that will let you combine apps on same machine20:40
fallenour_you might as well buy a damn rack just to test the stack20:40
fallenour_no20:40
fallenour_unfortunately not20:40
fallenour_at this rate, I might as well point my ukranian team at rebuilding all of canonical stack20:40
fallenour_im half tempted to ask them on twitter if they hired Microsoft Teams after the lay offs with all the hardware they are wasting20:41
fallenour_If I wanted to blow this much resources on wasted hardware, I would have installed vSphere from the get go with NetApp20:41
stokachuWell it is Sunday here and I'm working on some no related canonical stuff but will be willing to help later today20:41
stokachuYea I get it you're upset20:41
stokachuI'll try to help as best I can20:41
fallenour_Its not that im upset, I can afford the wasted hardware20:41
fallenour_My issue isnt me, my issue is non-profits, and other less well off individuals and companies20:42
fallenour_they cant20:42
stokachuRight well we don't want you wasti g hardware20:42
fallenour_Is it possible to put maas and juju all on one system?20:42
fallenour_I know the official guide says 2 systems20:42
stokachuIn a sense you can start a KVM instance on the maas machine20:43
stokachuUse that as the juju controller20:43
fallenour_but Ive monitored the resource util,a nd even on older Dell r610s, the util even with deploying an entire rack at a time is less than 50%20:43
fallenour_yea I figured that much, but why cant I simply just do conjure-up --boostrap-to localhost ?20:43
fallenour_and install conjure-up on maas?20:43
stokachuJust the way juju works20:44
fallenour_if its going to do a loopback to a local host, itll just hit itself at http://localhost:5240/MAAS instead20:44
fallenour_I know thats how juju works that way, but why?20:44
stokachuI can help you more later when I'm back in the office tonight20:44
stokachuJust the way juju works20:44
fallenour_was there ever an rfc done for it?20:44
stokachuDon't think so20:45
fallenour_shame. I wouldnt mind helping contribute code cycles to get it to work, I know it can, we all do, but I feel theres something else that wasnt released or noted thats the reason why. Do you have any ideas?20:45
stokachuSorry I don't, but if you give me a little time today I'll be back in the office to assist more20:46
fallenour_I think i just hit the jackpot of all ideas21:03
fallenour_o.o21:03
fallenour_Ok so stay with me21:03
fallenour_LXD container autodeployed with MAAS, with a juju container21:03
fallenour_python installer to auto deploy a ha pair to another box via juju via maas, localhost > remote host21:03
fallenour_it deploys HA, then builds out openstack standard via conjure-up + relevant options21:04
fallenour_minimal changes to the config guides as well21:05

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