| tenplus1 | hi folks | 10:05 |
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| tenplus1 | Q. wasn't ubu 17.10 supposed to move from python 2.x to 3.x this release so it can be removed ??? | 10:06 |
| Faux | I thought so. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2017-June/039826.html | 10:07 |
| tenplus1 | cause libsmb client and in turn mpv and gimp still need python 2.6 to work... | 10:07 |
| Faux | The plan was to remove it from the base install, I thought, not from the archive. | 10:08 |
| Faux | [not an official answer] | 10:08 |
| tenplus1 | still got 2 months to go <fingers crossed> it might still happen :) heh | 10:08 |
| tenplus1 | thanks | 10:08 |
| Faux | Pretty sure it won't be removed from the archive. It's still a supported piece of software upstream, with more users than most of the crap in there. | 10:09 |
| tenplus1 | weirdly enough I'm using LUA and it's a lot more friendly/smaller | 10:09 |
| piet | Hello, I have a feature request for Ubiquity. | 10:16 |
| piet | Currently, I think it's far too easy to select advanced options like full disk encryption and LVM. | 10:17 |
| piet | This often leads to problems for beginners, who without thinking tick those options, which regularly causes difficulties for them which they can't solve. | 10:17 |
| piet | I think it would perhaps be better if in the Ubiquity installation dialogue, both full disk encryption and LVM would be "tucked away" behind an Advanced button or something similar. | 10:17 |
| piet | cjwatson and others: what do you think? | 10:17 |
| doko | pitti: alive! | 10:43 |
| juliank | piet: Really? I had to setup everything manually because ubiquity refused to do either LVM, LUKS, or GPT; but I really don't know which one anymore | 10:52 |
| juliank | I think I had to manually setup grub because ubiquity did not install it correctly | 10:53 |
| juliank | (It might be that it did not handle LVM without a separate /boot or something, which is crazy) | 10:54 |
| juliank | I should reinvestigate that | 10:54 |
| juliank | No wait, I did not setup encryption at all | 10:55 |
| juliank | So, I tried installing Ubiquity with LVM on a UEFI system, but ended up doing all LVM stuff in the terminal because it was not available in ubiquit | 10:55 |
| juliank | y | 10:55 |
| juliank | (in 16.04.something) | 10:56 |
| piet | juliank: sometimes these options are greyed out in the Ubiquity dialogue, sometimes not. I haven't investigated under qwh | 11:00 |
| piet | ...which circumstances it's greyed out yet. | 11:00 |
| juliank | I don't think I ever saw any, but I might be wrong | 11:00 |
| juliank | t's been a few months | 11:00 |
| juliank | In any case, I found the partitioning far too inflexible | 11:01 |
| juliank | The disk was to be setup like this: small ESP followed by LVM partition with a / and a /home logical volume | 11:02 |
| juliank | Both logical volumes fairly small, as we can grow them later | 11:02 |
| juliank | Did not manage to do that in Ubiquity, although that's essentially the optimal setup | 11:02 |
| juliank | (My own machine has the LVM in a LUKS, but that's another topic) | 11:03 |
| piet | I think it would be better if those options would be more "tucked away", so it would be cearer that only advanced users should apply them | 11:03 |
| piet | cearer = clearer | 11:04 |
| juliank | I also I think it was creating mbr partitions all the time, despite being on an UEFI machine | 11:04 |
| juliank | s/partitions/partition tables/ | 11:04 |
| juliank | piet: Ah, you mean the two shortcuts below the "Erase disk and install Ubuntu option"? | 11:07 |
| piet | juliank: yes | 11:07 |
| juliank | So I guess the problem with Ubiquity is that it supports LVM and encryption in that screen, but the partition editor supports neither | 11:07 |
| juliank | Looking at the editor, when you want to create a partition, it only offers you file systems | 11:08 |
| piet | perhaps that too, but mainly the problem is (in my opinion) that these options are only suitable for advanced users. Now they are too accessible for inexperienced users. | 11:08 |
| piet | Putting them behind an "advanced" button or something, would make that clear | 11:09 |
| juliank | piet: Well, I don't see the use case for the options anyway | 11:09 |
| juliank | I mean if you are advanced user, you likely want to setup partitions to your liking and not use a "erase disk and install ubuntu option" | 11:10 |
| juliank | So IMHO, the partitiion editor should support that and the options can go away on the "easy" page | 11:10 |
| piet | juliank: Good idea! If they would disappear completely, that would be fine as well | 11:11 |
| piet | disappear from the "easy" page, that is | 11:11 |
| piet | juliank: could you perhaps make this happen? | 11:12 |
| juliank | ubiquity is not really my kind of thing | 11:13 |
| piet | Maybe you can talk to the devs who oversee Ubiquity? | 11:14 |
| piet | have to go now, bye | 11:18 |
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| juliank | cyphermox: your gpg key contains a mathieu-tl@ubuntu.com UID, but: 550 5.1.1 <mathieu-tl@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table | 20:25 |
| juliank | maybe revoke it? | 20:25 |
| maxb | Hello, is this the right place to suggest someone override an autopkgtest failure? python3-lxml (source: lxml) in artful currently segfaults on importing lxml.etree - the fix is in proposed, but is blocked by an unrelated issue with the snapcraft autopkgtest. The snapcraft issue is discussed here, including there apparently being a fix upstream. | 23:38 |
| maxb | https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-autopkgtest-failure/2007 | 23:38 |
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