[00:06] <tomreyn> amirite: <sarcasm> no, you would be the first person to have ever tried this in the 13 years Ubuntu has existed </sarcasm>
[00:06] <psychoticwarrior> whats that?
[00:08] <amirite> tomreyn your sarcasm is not appreciated
[00:09] <amirite> the question i have is if anyone has a link/resource guiding through setting up the keyboard and whatever window manager to make the transition more comfortable, i.e. mac os gestures are really super useful
[00:09] <tomreyn> amirite: sorry :-/ but just a web search would have shown you.
[00:24] <RonWhoCares> Could anyone take a look at this please https://askubuntu.com/questions/954265
[00:51] <Jordan_U> RonWhoCares: What is the size of the file?
[00:52] <RonWhoCares> ~960 megs
[00:53] <Jordan_U> RonWhoCares: Has anything been able to play any part of the video?
[00:53] <RonWhoCares> no
[00:54] <RonWhoCares> VLC, the video camera and video editing software "Kdenlive" don't recognize the file
[00:57] <Jordan_U> RonWhoCares: Look at the file with "od /path/to/video.mov | less" and see if there are any obvious large chunks of zeroes. If most of the file is zeroes then you'll at least know that you don't really have anything.
[00:58] <RonWhoCares> Jordan_U: It is good data
[00:59] <RonWhoCares> - I am not seeing a chunk of 0's
[00:59] <Jordan_U> RonWhoCares: How do you know that the data is good?
[01:00] <RonWhoCares> Jordan_U: The error message shows the issue is a corrupt video header
[01:01] <Jordan_U> RonWhoCares: A corrupt video header tells you part of the file is corrupt, it doesn't tell you that's the only part that's corrupt.
[01:02] <RonWhoCares> ok
[01:03] <RonWhoCares> Jordan_U: Is this hopeless and i need to refilm
[01:03] <Jordan_U> RonWhoCares: I don't know, but it's likely.
[01:04] <RonWhoCares> ok
[01:17] <RonWhoCares> Jordan_U: I have a better question for you:
[01:17] <RonWhoCares> Jordan_U: My video camera has the option to stream HDMI to a computer and bypass recording on an SD card altogether.  This seems to make sense for when I am home filming effectively life coaching videos for my youtube channel
[01:19] <RonWhoCares> Jordan_U: I use Ubuntu 16.04 desktop on an Acer Spire 5742Z laptop.  I think I would need some type of an "HDMI USB input" device and a program to capture the video as I am recording.  Do you know if there are programs that would accept a video input feed from an HDMI USB?
[01:24] <tgm4883> HDMI USB input doesn't make much sense
[01:38] <buggaboosanchez> Is there anywhere else I can ask my question ( the problem is sotpping me from doing much of anything bc of the mess ).  I tried forums and here but noone seems to grasp how ubuntu deals with thems ( specifically, directory icons ).
[01:39] <buggaboosanchez> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2371009
[01:39] <buggaboosanchez> *stopping*
[01:39] <buggaboosanchez> *themes*
[01:41] <buggaboosanchez> I would (dleicatly) ask something on #ubuntu-devel but I'm pretty sure I'd get yelled at
[01:47] <maslo> why is my cron not running? I added it to crontab via crontab -u user -e, piping it into a log file and it still doesnt run
[01:47] <maslo> is there a timeout on them? the script takes about 30mins to run
[01:48] <jushur> buggaboosanchez: for your user ~/.icons/custom-cursor-theme ~/.icons/custom-icon-theme ~/.themes/custom-theme
[01:49] <ali1234> maslo: cron runs in a limited environment
[01:49] <ali1234> specify absolute path to your script
[01:56] <buggaboosanchez> hello?
[01:59] <maslo> the issue is that it was running fine before, 2 php scripts, 30 minutes apart but the second one depends on the first one so i merged the 2 and now they dont run at all
[01:59] <maslo> it'S the same exact code
[01:59] <maslo> running the file manually works
[01:59] <maslo> but adding it in crontab doesnt seem to run it at all, no logs, no file write etc
[01:59] <maslo> same permissions and owner/group as old file
[02:00] <buggaboosanchez> does anyone have knowledge about how ubuntu 16.04 handles themes? Specifically7, the folder icon.
[02:00] <jushur> buggaboosanchez: for your user ~/.icons/custom-cursor-theme ~/.icons/custom-icon-theme ~/.themes/custom-theme
[02:03] <buggaboosanchez> jushur: Thank you.  Can you give some definition of what constitues a "icon" vs. a "cursor" ? I know, the answer seemss obvious, but maybe it isn't - I don't want to assume anything.
[02:04] <jushur> buggaboosanchez: id advice to install a theme of each type. and look at what they contain
[02:05] <jushur> for me the /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/16x16/places/folder.png for example, but im not actually using ubuntu on this machine. so path may be different for you.
[02:05] <buggaboosanchez> jushur: I have a specific svg image that I want to replace dir icons (but need it to be comprehensive / affecting all funcitonality it pertains to).
[02:05] <buggaboosanchez> jushur: It's a unique image
[02:06] <buggaboosanchez> I tried something but it didn't work: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2371009
[02:09] <jushur> buggaboosanchez: my tip would be to make your own theme, then in its index.theme file you put Inherits=Adwaita,gnome,hicolor
[02:11] <jushur> that way your picture will be the main theme, and it will fallback onto the other icons in those themes to fill other icons.
[02:11] <buggaboosanchez> ok
[02:12] <buggaboosanchez> So basically your saying I'm screwed
[02:13] <konrados> Hi! I want to remap some keys on my keyboard. I found this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions?action=show&redirect=Howto%3A+Custom+keyboard+layout+definitions but... really isn't there any gui app? I want to remap just a few keys, and I need to learn all of this to do that? :(
[02:15] <konrados> I feel the above doc will be hard to read, because at the very beginning of it, they forgot to explain what is the very first line of the layout file - I mean the "partial default alphanumeric_keys"
[02:16] <konrados> they also forget to explain that "include "latin(type4)" part
[02:16] <buggaboosanchez> I screwed up all the folder icons in my 16.04 installation (that I've had for a long time). I don't have even close to the knowledge to fix this (I can't ve expected to learn everything about everything can I??).
[02:17] <buggaboosanchez> So I guess that means I'm stuck with it
[02:17] <buggaboosanchez> or reinstall the entire system over that
[02:25] <jushur> amazing that he could not ask how to restore default icons..
[02:28] <glitsj16> konrados: xkeycaps might be the GUI you're looking for
[02:28] <konrados> sec...
[02:29] <Paradox23> trying to install apt-get install linux-tools-gcp but getting dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-tools-common_4.4.0-93.116_all.deb (--install): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/perf.1.gz', which is also in package linux-base 4.5
[02:30] <Paradox23> any ideas?
[02:33] <konrados> glitsj16, yeah, although it looks like an app from the 90's :) but I'll give it a try ofc, thanks!
[02:34] <glitsj16> konrados: I'm from the sixties, so that looked funky futuristic to me :p
[02:34] <konrados> :)
[02:44] <glitsj16> Paradox23: you can try installing that package via dpkg, using the --force-overwrite option.. or you could manually rename /usr/share/man/man1/perf.1.gz temporarily and compare that with the newly installed man page
[02:47] <dckx-s> hello everyone. I just reinstalled Ubuntu 16.04 in my laptop. When I boot, Ubuntu loads and I am prompted with my password to start the session. I type it and hit enter, and then the desktop never shows up. I had this problem originally before reinstalling when Ubuntu updated itself, but now I'm having it straight after a fresh install. Any clues on how to solve this and on why this may be happening?
[02:47] <mefistof1les> would you happen to know how to make lightdm greeter not to show  user/password textbox/prompts??
[02:48] <Paradox23> glitsj16: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-tools-common_4.4.0-93.116_all.deb --force?overwrite so like that?
[02:49] <glitsj16> Paradox23: put the --force-overwrite bit directly after dpkg
[02:50] <Paradox23> glitsj16: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-tools-common_4.4.0-93.116_all.deb
[02:50] <glitsj16> Paradox: correct
[02:50] <glitsj16> you might get a confirmation prompt
[02:50] <Paradox23> unknown option apperantly
[02:51] <glitsj16> maybe I got the syntax wrong, let me check in man dpkg
[02:52] <buggaboosanchez> I tried tweak tool to "restore efaults" on my icons but it didn't change anything.  Does that mean tha teven installing a new theme won't help?
[02:53] <buggaboosanchez> *"Restore Defaults"*
[02:54] <syedomar> cant wait for 17.10
[02:54] <mjrosenb> Is there a newer guide on building your own kernel than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel ?
[02:56] <buggaboosanchez> Could someone, conceivably, write me a little script that will recursre through each foler properties and set the iccon back to the imaage it was?
[03:02] <dckx-s> it seems my issue may be related to nouveau drivers. Where should I add nouveau.modeset=0 in grub? At the end? or after a specific section? I'm doing this right after a fresh install
[03:03] <dckx-s> it seems my issue may be related to nouveau drivers. Where should I add nouveau.modeset=0 in grub? At the end? or after a specific section? I'm doing this right after a fresh install
[03:03] <dckx-s> sorry didn't mean to send twice
[03:07] <glitsj16> dckx-s: for testing you can press e to edit your selected grub item and append it to the line starting with "linux" .. if you want to keep it, editing of /etc/default/grub is needed (in that case add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and regenerate grub.cfg
[03:09] <dckx-s> glitsj16: so I should add it to the line that says "linux                                /boot/vmlinuz-4.10.0-28 (...etc...) quiet splash $vt_handoff nouveau.modeset=0" ... Something like that?
[03:10] <glitsj16> dckx-s: exactly like that yes
[03:11] <dckx-s> glitsj16: thanks, I'm booting now with that option
[03:11] <mjrosenb> so, I built a new kernel using the sources for the current kernel version, then I installed it, and attempted to boot into it, and it just stopped right after starting init :-(
[03:11] <mjrosenb> I didn't even change any configuration options.
[03:12] <dckx-s> glitsj16: Ok, that works. Would you mean explaining me what does that mean? And why does this happen after fresh install?
[03:14] <buggaboosanchez> Does anyone here think it woudld be wrong to single out some memver of the community and refuse to ehlp the person?
[03:14] <buggaboosanchez> I'm curious
[03:15] <krytarik> buggaboosanchez: I'm pretty sure it's not deliberate.
[03:15] <buggaboosanchez> krytarik: well
[03:15] <buggaboosanchez> :o
[03:15] <[n0mad]> doesn't really sound like an ubuntu support topic, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:15] <glitsj16> dckx-s: it's actually a rather complex issue, but I always found https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_mode_setting to be helpful in explaining things like that
[03:15] <krytarik> Just if you expect someone to write scripts for you...
[03:16] <dckx-s> glitsj16: Thanks, I will take a look at that
[03:17] <glitsj16> dckx-s: it just becomes apparent at first boot, which is usually straight after installing a distro obviously
[03:17] <buggaboosanchez> I am absolutely screwed with the problem I have. It has basically decapitated any ability to organize data on my system whatsoee. Bene on the ofurm, done asked here repeatedly over the last few mos.  I don't want' to destroy my whole fridggin instlal by reinstalling and paving over everythign. It's not right
[03:18] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: what did you do to mess up your icon theme exactly?
[03:23] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: I thought it was a good idea to got theorugh manually into each folder's properties nad change the icon for that folder (until every,single, directory) had been changed (one by one). I didn't reallize that creation of new folders would nogt follow my little scheeme after that. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!  I dint' just set the directories to a single, completely unique, image - oh ho - I used several imagas throughout.  The
[03:23] <buggaboosanchez> idea was great if it owuld have worked. The implementation what shit. Now here I am stuck with this trash for 3 mos and I don't have it in me to take on anothe rlearning curve to fix it (I'm drowning in learning curves now!).  I just need someone to walk me through a soln to this so I can get on with my life.
[03:24] <buggaboosanchez> PS: My laptop battery is at 24% and I don't have a source of power (9f it dies I'll have to come back again another day).
[03:24] <buggaboosanchez> I'm homeless
[03:25] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: have you tried reinstalling icon theme related packages yet?
[03:26] <glitsj16> that would be the easiest way to restore defaults i guess
[03:26] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: I'm not sure but probably not
[03:26] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: let's try that.. what ubuntu version are you using?
[03:27] <buggaboosanchez> While I would love to set ( ALL ) folder icons to a single, custom, image I have --> I would love to just have this mess cleaned up ( I'd still be better off ).
[03:27] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: 16.04
[03:28] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: but I dont' know exacvlty what you mean. Are you reffering to some apt-get install <something>  command?
[03:28] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: we can see how you can achieve that later on if you want and have the time for that.. you need to get back to basic defaults first
[03:29] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: yes, those apt-get install --reinstall commands exactly, for icon-theme related packages
[03:29] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: right
[03:29] <buggaboosanchez> ty
[03:30] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: there's a "--reinstall" flag? Interesting
[03:31] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: yes there is, that's the syntax used to tell apt to reinstall a package, you could use a GUI app like synaptic too though
[03:33] <bazhang> buggaboosanchez, no cursing here
[03:33] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: using a GUI in this case makes it easier to search for installed icon themes, mark those for reinstall and hit a few buttons
[03:36] <dckx-s> when editing GRUB, custom settings within grub_cmd_linux_default should be added before "quiet splash" or after? Or it doesn't matter?
[03:37] <glitsj16> dckx-s: order isn't important, just make sure you don't use options more than once and you should be fine
[03:38] <buggaboosanchez> glitsj16: I launched sofware center but there doesn't seem to be a way to both search / filter stuff as well as filter by "installed" ( button).
[03:39] <buggaboosanchez> I thought that used to be possible
[03:39] <buggaboosanchez> I'm down to 17% so maybe have to come back again (and againg and agian)
[03:39] <glitsj16> buggaboosanchez: never used the 'software center' for more than 10 minutes, and that's too long ago to remember anything else about it
[03:40] <bazhang> buggaboosanchez, perhaps you are thinking of synaptic
[03:40] <buggaboosanchez> unless someone feels like banning me for asking for help
[03:40] <dckx-s> glitsj16: Thanks. Thing is my touchpad doesn't work (it never does straight after installation). However, in previous installations, I could fix the issue by addind the option "i8041.kbdreset=1"...  but now that doesn't have an effect. I can't wrap my mind around the fact that two fresh installations will produce different behaviors on the same computer. And then, that these options will have different effects on the same system. The only
[03:40] <dckx-s> difference I could think of was that I was adding the options into GRUB in a different order each time
[03:40] <buggaboosanchez> it doesn't mater
[03:40] <buggaboosanchez> ty
[03:40] <buggaboosanchez> I understand
[03:44] <glitsj16> dckx-s: that sounds very odd indeed if the distro's and versions you install offer the same GRUB versions.. if kernel versions differed I could see how that might change things.. did you find that specific i8041 param via a bug report or something?
[03:46] <dckx-s> glitsj16: I found it on askubuntu. And some people with my same laptop have referred to that as a solution to the trackpad issue in different forums. That always worked for me. But I also never had the nouveau.modeset=0 issue before. It's weird indeed. Perhaps I'm not remembering right and last time I installed 14.04 instead of 16.04. In any case, it's strange that i8042.kbdreset=1 doesn't work now. It seems the synaptics driver is not being loaded
[03:50] <glitsj16> dckx-s: hmm, the synaptics driver is being deprecated, it's all about libinput now .. but you can still use it though, I do so myself to deal with a semi-dysfunctional touchpad myself.. xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed?
[03:51] <dckx-s> glitsj16: I don't know how to check that
[03:52] <glitsj16> dckx-s: it might be kernel related also, did you install 16.04.1 or 16.04.3? in any case, try booting a different kernel if you haven't already.. "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" should provide you with the details on that
[03:53] <dckx-s> glitsj16: 16.04.03. Will boot into different kernel, and will also check that command
[03:54] <glitsj16> dckx-s: yeah, try that first, we can deal with whatever isn't fixed from there on
[03:54] <dckx-s> glitsj16: not installed
[03:55] <glitsj16> dckx-s: that explains why synaptics driver isn't used for starters, it won't hurt installing that, in fact it might help
[03:56] <dckx-s> glitsj16: By other kernel you mean selecting advanced boot options in GRUB? IT seems I only have 4.10.0-28 generic. Will boot into that and install synaptics
[03:57] <glitsj16> dckx-s: no I meant a different kernel version, like a 4.4 even in 16.04, i think that's still an LTS kernel (not sure)
[03:57] <glitsj16> take it one step at a time perhaps, if you don't mind rebooting
[03:58] <glitsj16> dckx-s: after a fresh install it's normal to have only one kernel installed
[04:00] <dckx-s> glitsj16: I see. I think I don't fully understand what a kernel is then
[04:01] <glitsj16> dckx-s: it's like your heart, that ages too with every beat :p
[04:28] <dckx-s> glitsj16: I was trying to connect to quassel on the actual laptop with the issues, but couldn't manage to get this channel to be the active window inside quassel. Anyway, how do I install synaptics? Just sudo apt install synaptics?
[04:29] <dckx-s> glitsj16: also, xinput list does not list my touchpad
[04:29] <dckx-s> at all
[04:31] <glitsj16> dckx-s: no worries, if you mean the driver, use "sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics"
[04:32] <dckx-s> glitsj16: gives me message about unmet dependencies
[04:32] <glitsj16> dckx-s: there's also a GUI package manager called "synaptic", wasn't sure what you were refering to
[04:32] <dckx-s> glitsj16: I meant the driver. In any case, is it normal that xinput list doesn't list touchpad at all?
[04:33] <gartral> ok then, I'm confused and irritated, I set up this laptop when 16.10 launched and I really wasn't paying very close attention to the installer's defaults, and that has come back to bite my rear-end in the past few weeks, I'm out of space on my /boot partition to install new kernel updates and it's causing apt to fail to install anything at all, aside from a complete wipe and reload, what are my options
[04:33] <gartral> here?
[04:33] <glitsj16> dckx-s: can you post the full output of your commandline somewhere so the channel can have a look please?
[04:34] <dckx-s> glitsj16: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25503337
[04:34] <dckx-s> glitsj16: in the past, it would say ELANTECH PS/2 Pointer or something like that
[04:34] <glitsj16> dckx-s: yup, that's what's usually reported for touchpads
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> 16.10 is end of life
[04:35] <glitsj16> dckx-s: can you post output of the install command too
[04:36] <dckx-s> glitsj16: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25503352
[04:36] <glitsj16> ow, 16.10.. thanks for pointing that out lotuspsychje, still assuming dckx-s was on 16.04
[04:37] <gartral> lotuspsychje: was that aimed at me or dckx-s ?
[04:37] <dckx-s> glitsj16: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25503362 this one
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> gartral: for you
[04:37] <dckx-s> yes, I'm on 16.04
[04:38] <glitsj16> oops, misfiring braincells about your ubuntu version dckx-s, sorry about that
[04:39] <gartral> lotuspsychje: ok, and? I can't upgrade because there's no room to install a new kernel, and apt refuses to do jack-all because it can't install the new kernel.
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> gartral: upgrading on an eol version is a bad idea, would you risk security flaws?
[04:41] <gartral> lotuspsychje: wtf are you talking about? I'm stuck on 16.10 till I can resolve the issue with my kernel and run an upgrade to 17.04
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | gartral
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> gartral: its your system, you can do what you like...i just say its a security risk at this point to have 16.10 installed
[04:44] <glitsj16> dckx-s: do you have PPA's installed that offer X related packages? you should be able to install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.8.2-1ubuntu3.. what's the output of "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics"?
[04:44] <gartral> lotuspsychje: I KNOW THAT, I'm trying to fix it. but I'm caught in an apt catch-22
[04:45] <Bashing-om> gartral: try ' sudo apt autoremove ' see if that gets ya the room to release up-grade . will remove old kernels if the package management system is consistent and has the operating head room .
[04:45] <gartral> Bashing-om: it won't remove the old kernels because it tried to install the new one first and fails because there's no room
[04:47] <Bashing-om> gartral: then in such a case that autoremove fails, one does it manually .. and in the case of no operating room it is at the dpkg level .
[04:50] <dckx-s> glitsj16: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25503434
[04:51] <Bashing-om> gartral: While d9-able . a lot of time might be expended . You may be better served to save your personal data and do a clean fresh install of 16.04 .
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> gartral: i always cleanout space with bleachbit
[04:56] <gartral> Bashing-om: I'd love to do a full reinstall, but I don't have a spare 2 tb of free drive drives
[04:57] <gartral> well, ok, it's 1.34 tb used
[05:00] <Bashing-om> gartral: Your call, we are just here to help . Do you understand ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image{,-extra}-4.4.0-{46,49,52}-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-{46,49,52}{,-generic} ' ? ... ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ; uname -r ' to know the kernels . You must not mess with that booting kernel.
[05:08] <dckx-g> since the good samaritan that was helping me left, could anyone here assist me in getting my touchpad working on ubuntu 16.04? I did a freash install and doesn't work. usually, adding i8042.kbdreset=1 on GRUB did the trick. Now, ti doesn't help. Touchpad is not listed as it used to (ELANTECH PS/2) on xinput. but it sort of showed up on less/proc/bus/input/devices
[05:27] <GarThor> Hello?
[05:27] <GarThor> is anyone there?
[05:29] <nuked0ne> yes, me, you and 1043 other people
[05:38] <plex_dave> hey hey
[05:39] <plex_dave> I have a podcast and we run discord.  for longer interviews, i would like to have the audio input for discord always on but no such feature exists.  so i was hoping to find a tool that will just hold down a key of my choice but only in a certain window
[05:43] <gartral> plex_dave: actually, if you setup a second discord and route the audio to that from pulseaudio with discords' audio trigering it should work automatically
[05:44] <plex_dave> I am using a jack system, but i like where you're going.  i don't think i quite catch what you're saying though
[05:46] <plex_dave> Are you suggesting that with 2 instances of discord I can trick the application into thinking there's audio input when there is not?
[05:48] <gartral> plex_dave: no, because I'm sure you're going to want to talk to the people on discord, you're going to need another instance to sink your feed audio into discord if you're broadcasting to an an audiance room and talking to your intervewees in a hosts room
[05:49] <plex_dave> oh, no that's not what I need it for
[05:49] <plex_dave> but that's not a terrible idea for the future actually
[05:50] <plex_dave> If we have people chime in from discord normally during the show, they're just listening through icecast and chatting, and they mention that they have something to say, kill the icecast, and we bring them in.
[05:51] <plex_dave> what we want though, is for a longer interview with someone, we don't want to have to hold push-to-talk the entire time and the voice detection on discord isn't good at all, so using that isn't an option
[05:51] <gartral> plex_dave: unfortunetly it'd be easier to do all this with mumble, but good luck getting your listenership/interviewees to install and use it..
[05:51] <plex_dave> We have a mumble server and that's the issue we encountered
[05:52] <plex_dave> was just hoping to find a way to tell the os that in the discord window the little key next to the left of the 1 is always pressed on the machine that sends audio to discord
[05:52] <gartral> plex_dave: can we take this to a msg, it's getting out of scope for #ubuntu
[05:53] <plex_dave> oh, well my question was about the os itself and a tool that could be used in any application.  But sure, if you want to message me go ahead :)
[05:55] <gartral> plex_dave: to answer your question, it should be possible with a noise-reduction/low-amplitude cut-off filters to actually have discord always broadcast, and do sound detection through jack. don't forget that jack plugins can process audio and are generally much better than what's buit-in to apps
[05:56] <plex_dave> The problem with that is the latency on the pickup of the voice detection.  This is why I am trying to figure out if there is a tool for ubuntu that I can use to basically tell an application that a certain key is being pressed at all times.
[05:59] <plex_dave> but if you have an idea using some other method, do in fact msg me.
[06:26] <ducasse> plex_dave: perhaps xdotool or xautomation
[06:32] <plex_dave> i will look into that, thanks!
[06:34] <ducasse> i know xdotool can send key/button events, xautomation is a more complex tool
[06:36] <plex_dave> yeah, i am gonna give these both a go on a machine that I don't have in production
[06:36] <plex_dave> hopefully this does the trick
[06:37] <pankaj> I copied a large file to pendrive and noticed that it could have been faster if I could have done with GUI instead. Why?
[06:38] <plex_dave> The GUI lies to me all the time, telling me a transfer is done, but then when i go to unmount the drive it tells me it's still moving data.  the command line is less comfortable lying to you.  :)
[06:39] <ducasse> pankaj: it's most likely not, i'm guessing the gui writes were cached so it finished in the background.
[06:40] <plex_dave> that's what I meant to say :)
[06:40] <pankaj> ducasse: When the file was copying I was cheking the size of it again and again. I was changing very slowly.
[06:40] <pankaj> ducasse: Not 'I' but 'It'
[06:42] <pankaj> ducasse: I had copied the same pendrive before also but it was showing this delay this time only.
[06:42] <ducasse> normally writes are buffered, if you run 'sync' it will flush to disk.
[06:43] <plex_dave> This may sound like a dumb question, but does your system have usb2 and usb3 ports?
[06:43] <plex_dave> I get a little scattered sometimes and don't pay as much attention as I should, so I always check the easy stuff first
[06:45] <pankaj> ducasse:  So, does it means that in all linux distributions I will get less copy speed in command then in GUI?
[06:46] <ducasse> pankaj: it means that if you measure the _actual_ copy speed it's about the same in both
[06:48] <pankaj> ducasse: So, I think that might have been a one time problem. Just wanted to know that what to do if it happens next time again.
[06:49] <ducasse> i told you what to do if you want to make it finish writing
[06:51] <pankaj> ducasse: But what to do. You did not told me or please tell again. Please
[06:52] <ducasse> "08:42 <ducasse> normally writes are buffered, if you run 'sync' it will flush to disk."
[06:53] <pankaj> pankaj: OK. Thanks.
[06:55] <joegiampaoli> I keep getting redirected to #ubuntu-unregged instead of #ubuntu I do have a registered nickname and in xchat I have the option to identify when I connect to FreeNode, this only happens in my Debian PC, on my Ubuntu laptop this is no issue, laptop uses hexchat, any suggestions? Thanks!
[06:55] <pankaj> ducasse: Just yesterday I was using fdisk tool to create partitions in my 32 GB pendrive. I think I did some very huge mistake that is why on the way I did not see the pendrive on my system anywhere although it was mounted. Is their any ricks involved while using sdisk so the pendrive may not work?
[06:55] <joegiampaoli> This problem is only present in Debian
[06:56] <ducasse> joegiampaoli: ask in #debian
[06:56] <pankaj> ducasse: Sorry 'fdisk' not 'sdisk'
[06:57] <joegiampaoli> ducasse: Thanks, thought to ask here too since this is the channel that redirects me :)
[06:58] <joegiampaoli> ducasse: Other channels don't give me this problem...
[06:58] <ducasse> pankaj: the major risk with using tools like fdisk are things like deleting the wrong partition
[06:59] <ducasse> joegiampaoli: it's most likely a configuration issue on your side or other software problem
[06:59] <joegiampaoli> ducasse: Just found the solution in "Ubuntu Documetation" online....
[06:59] <pankaj> ducasse: So, I think that I should try again. The problem was that it was not listing the partition when I typed 'mount'. It was not listed there even I mounted properly.
[07:00] <joegiampaoli> ducasse: it says "If your client joins #ubuntu automatically on connect, it is possible that joining happens just a moment before you are identified. Check your client to see if it can wait a couple of seconds before auto-joining. "
[07:00] <joegiampaoli> So it's a timing issue
[07:00] <joegiampaoli> Thanks anyway
[07:01] <ducasse> btw, xchat has been unmaintained for a long time, here we advice people to not use it
[07:02] <joegiampaoli> ducasse: OK, I'll might try hexchat for debian... I'll see if it's available, if not I'll go ahead and download the sources, Thanks...
[07:05] <plex_dave> hexchat seems to work fine and it updated recently
[07:05] <plex_dave> always a good sign
[07:22] <kneeki> So.... I used the gparted live boot disk to resize the only partition on my PC, after doing so and logging back in the entire file system, even my home folder is now read only. Any ideas how I fix this?
[07:25] <kneeki> https://askubuntu.com/questions/195730/read-only-filesystem may be the fix. Brb =]
[07:36] <pennTeller> Hi guys, just came to report that I finally got the "exporting pictures from mailbox file to system" working
[07:36] <pennTeller> and indeed I had to use munpack, thanks for everyones help
[07:38] <waveprop> is there a list of more morrors for old-releases, or is there just that one server at old-releases.ubuntu.com?
[07:41] <ducasse> i don't think there are any
[07:41] <waveprop> ok, thanks ducasse
[07:43] <ducasse> you can check your mirror if it has older releases, it's probably up to them
[07:45] <kneeki> That was the fix =]
[07:47] <waveprop> k thx kneeki
[07:47] <waveprop> and ducasse
[08:53] <ashmew2> Hi! I'm running into problems with installing Ubuntu on a (new) laptop preinstalled with Win10. I read most of the UEFI docs/threads I could find and then finally gave up and installed Ubuntu without a bootloader (ubiquity -b). How can I install grub2 to this machine now?
[08:53] <ashmew2> If I run boot-repair, it gets stuck for an eternity at the os-prober (Scanning) step.
[09:09] <anonmatir> how could i reinstall ubuntu fresh, from a bootable usb, after booting into a say xfce desktop?
[09:16] <ashmew2> anonmatir: if you're on the bootable usb (which has the XFCE desktop), you can just install to the same root partition that you used earlier (ALL DATA LOST!)
[09:19] <anonmatir> i cannot boot from the usb, my function keys are apparently dead, cannot getinto bios which is set to boot from internal hdd
[09:20] <MonkeyDust> anonmatir  hardware problems, difficult to help with that
[09:21] <anonmatir> oh well..
[09:24] <anonmatir> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[09:24] <anonmatir> suppose this might help..
[09:26] <ducasse> anonmatir: you won't be able to install from the partition you're running from
[09:27] <anonmatir> yeh, i got that part..
[09:27] <anonmatir> i need to create a partition first
[09:31] <lavenders> hi
[09:32] <lavenders> opensource mail reader with inbox sound on new mail, is there one out there?
[09:33] <ashmew2> Well, nvm, guess EFI will keep me off Ubuntu for good on this box.
[09:33] <ashmew2> Peace
[09:34] <ducasse> lavenders: i think most of them can do that
[09:34] <MonkeyDust> lavenders  https://itsfoss.com/best-email-clients-linux/ .. https://www.slant.co/topics/1674/~native-e-mail-clients-for-linux
[09:35] <MonkeyDust> lavenders  start here ^
[09:36] <anonmatir> it is really irritating that the only 2 f keys that are dead are f2 which lets me enter the bios and f12 which lets me enter the temo bootmanager
[09:36] <anonmatir> its like a conspiracy
[09:36] <MonkeyDust> anonmatir  maybe you need to clean the keyboard
[09:37] <MonkeyDust> anonmatir  turn it upside down, use a vacuum cleaner...
[09:37] <ducasse> anonmatir: or pick out the hdd and install in another machine
[09:37] <anonmatir> I am on the road, dont have tools,
[09:38] <anonmatir> if only I had an external  kbd
[09:38] <nbusrone> may I know how do i check IP address going in and out on ubuntu ? I wanted to check what is uploading connection non stop.
[09:39] <anonmatir> I would use wireshark
[09:39] <ducasse> nbusrone: iftop
[09:45] <ducasse> anonmatir: check your grub menu, it should have an entry to enter efi firmware setup
[09:45] <nbusrone> ducasse : installed but how do I check which application using the connection ? the iftop auto update remove and out the connection .
[09:46] <anonmatir> oh? that's interesting, leme check
[09:46] <anonmatir> well the grub menu does not have it ATM, but if so, may be I can enable it
[09:48] <xan_IT_> hi, need help to configure static ip in a machine with ubuntu server 17.10. anyone can help me?
[09:48] <ducasse> anonmatir: /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware is responsible for setting it up
[09:48] <ducasse> xan_IT_: ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:49] <xan_IT_> ducasse ok
[09:49] <ElectroXexual> I have Ubuntu 17.04 with Gnome DE. How do switch to a specific workspace without taking the foreground window to that workspace?
[09:50] <ElectroXexual> How do I*
[09:50] <anonmatir> xan_IT_: dud u try this https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html ?
[09:50] <MonkeyDust> ElectroXexual  try ctrl-alt arrow
[09:51] <anonmatir> thank you ducasse
[09:52] <ElectroXexual> that works ty but how do I switch to a specific num skipping all the middle workspaces?
[09:52] <lavenders> MonkeyDust, thunderbird i have, but its ridicoulus unstable, does evolution have sound?
[09:53] <MonkeyDust> lavenders  best way to find out, is by installing and trying it
[09:53] <lavenders> thx
[09:53] <lavenders> will try
[09:53] <nbusrone> what other IP tracking which save into log ? the iftop keep on refreshing but not logging
[09:54] <ducasse> lavenders: if they don't have an option to play sound, many have an option to execute a command
[09:57] <ducasse> nbusrone: tcpdump, wireshark etc - then you can dump exactly what you need
[10:02] <nbusrone> ducasse : Sorry , it is too complicated for me , how do use the command ?
[10:03] <ducasse> nbusrone: 'man tcpdump', or use wireshark instead
[10:04] <nbusrone> ducasse : My actual reason was , running virtualization guest androidx86 live cd base.But once I connect the data keep on upload and downloading.
[10:05] <nbusrone> ducasse : I wantedto log or capture the IP adress in/out going but I am not gettinga reply on #virtualbox irc
[10:05] <xan_IT_> anonmatir seams not working with 17.10. but now i have another problem. see it better later thz
[10:07] <anonmatir> wireshark. does not work with 17.10?
[10:08] <ducasse> anonmatir: yes it does, you're mixing up two people
[10:08] <MonkeyDust> anonmatir  too early to say, 17.10 isnt stable yet
[10:08] <anonmatir> ah OK
[10:09] <anonmatir> yeh, I confused  can  and nbusr, sorry, brains in my own problem..
[10:13] <MonkeyDust> anonmatir  brains are also hardware, not supported here
[10:13] <anonmatir> hahah
[10:40] <ybaumy> moin
[11:00] <nbusrone> ducasse : do you think tcpdump and wireshark can capture virtualbox log for tcp/ip ?
[11:02] <ducasse> nbusrone: they can capture all network traffic
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> !info zenmap | nbusrone
[11:19] <nbusrone> ducasse : thanks for the zenmap , still need to understand how it works :) will reply back if I have question .Thank you :)
[11:20] <demophobia> Please add info on how to use ubottu at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots?action=show&redirect=UbuntuBots as advertised at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#ubottu
[11:22] <demophobia> does audacious not work with ipod touch?
[11:22] <demophobia> how do i listen to ipod on lubuntu?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:27] <ducasse> demophobia: it's a wiki, you are welcome to edit yourself
[11:27] <silvian> Hai World!
[11:28] <demophobia> ducasse: must wait for mod approval, and i don't know how to use ubottu beyond /msg ubottu !iPod (which isn't helping my issue at the moment...)
[11:29] <egelor> hi i'm trying to use Processing with GSPipeline. I get the error Cannot load GStreamer plugins from /gstreamer/linux64/plugins
[11:30] <silvian> egelor: i'm not familiar with GSPipeline but the obvious thing i'd check is that files and folder usr group and world premissions are set appropriately
[11:31] <silvian> and that GSPipeline has access to the plugins located at /gstreamer/linux64/plugins
[11:32] <egelor> silvian: yes thank you i saw that too
[11:33] <ghostnik11> does ubuntu 16.10 come with the latest kernel? like 4.11 and newer?
[11:33] <ducasse> ghostnik11: 16.10 is eol
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> ghostnik11  or id you mean 17.10
[11:34] <ghostnik11> ducasse, wait i thought 16.10 was the newesst
[11:34] <silvian> ghostnik11: only ubuntu 17.10 will be coming with kernel 4.11 or newer... possibly 4.13 or 4.14
[11:34] <ducasse> 17.04 is the newest until next month
[11:35] <silvian> I believe 17.10 beta is already out
[11:35] <ducasse> ghostnik11: 17.10 support is in #ubuntu+1, and it has 4.12
[11:35] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay will check 17.04 since its the most stable and has 4.11
[11:36] <ducasse> ghostnik11: .04 has 4.10
[11:36] <silvian> ghostnik11: yes my advise is to stay with a stable release. Beta's are great fun to play with in a VM environment. :)
[11:37] <ghostnik11> silvian, ducasse, on the ubuntu website they don't show 17.04 as a lts?
[11:37] <ducasse> ghostnik11: be aware, you can also get 4.10 on 16.04, which is an lts release
[11:37] <ducasse> 17.04 is not lts, no
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> ghostnik11  16.04 18.04 are LTS
[11:37] <silvian> ghostnik11: that's right 17.04 is not an LTS. 16.04 is the current LTS. The next LTS will be 18.04 LTS.
[11:38] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay so then 16.04 is better because it has lts as compared to the 17.04?
[11:38] <ducasse> ghostnik11: if you don't know which to choose, go for 16.04.3
[11:38] <sary> 17.04 is more buggy than 16.04 & 17.10 .
[11:39] <thiras> will 1710 be gnome?
[11:39] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay so i will go with the 16.04 since it has lts. other question is that i want to update from the update manager? instead of a fresh install because i just install 15.10 on my baytrail asus t100
[11:40] <silvian> ghostnik11: ok so the way i would make my decision here is based on a number of factors. 1. do you want long term support without having to upgrade to often (every 6 months), 2 are you running the latest intel CPUs for which Ubuntu 16.04 kernel has no latest performance boost support for?
[11:40] <ducasse> ghostnik11: you can use update-manager, yes
[11:42] <ghostnik11> because of that i had to do a lot of querky things to get it running. well i am running a 2 in 1 pc called asus t100 transformer book silvian, and following instruction from a google + page to get everything running. i just installed like 2 days ago and want to now upgrade since 15.10 is basically dead but don't want to go through all the other stuff i had to do to get it running
[11:42] <silvian> so if you need the support for the latest intel chips that kernels 4.11+ version provide then try 17.04 else stick with 16.04.3 which the current kernel version is 4.4.0-93
[11:42] <ducasse> silvian: an lts release gets the newer kernels for hardware support, so that's not a valid point
[11:42] <fub> Hi. I need to set some nvidia settings to prevent tearing. When I execute this command from the command line, it works. when I put the corresponding command in my xorg.conf, it's not loaded on boot. I even tried to put this cli command in my .xinitrc, but also without success. How can I ensure my xorg.conf is loaded correctly at start?
[11:42] <fub> This command fixes my tearing problem: https://www.cmscritic.com/how-to-fix-nvidia-screen-tearing-in-xfce-mate-kde-lxde-and-others/
[11:43] <teratoma> i keep getting this error, web searching for it hasnt helped: https://dpaste.de/PZoA/raw
[11:43] <ghostnik11> silvian, well with 16.04 i can just upgrade the kernel after that to 4.11 which is basically what i need? or should i upgrade the kernel first before i upgrade to 16.04 ducasse
[11:44] <ducasse> ghostnik11: don't upgrade anything, just upgrade 15.10 to 16.04, then install the hwe stack
[11:44] <ghostnik11> what is hwe stack? ducasse
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> !hwe
[11:45] <hosas> how do i remove "'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:/messaging:/zeromq:/release-stable/xUbuntu_16_04 ./" from source.list. I can't find it there
[11:45] <hosas> thanks
[11:46] <ducasse> hosas: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[11:46] <ghostnik11> MonkeyDust, thanks will do as ducasse says and upgrade to 16.04 first
[11:47] <hosas> ducasse: it's still not there but when I sudo apt update I see it
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ghostnik11, remove the ppa first
[11:47] <BluesKaj> oops sorry ghostnik11, wrong user :-)
[11:48] <ghostnik11> BluesKaj, oh okay
[11:48] <multifractal> I'm very confused by my Dell 9365. It arrived in RAID mode, but Ubuntu installer couldn't detect the hard drive. Switched into AHCI mode, which enabled Win10 and Ubuntu installers to see the hard drive, but after installation was unable to boot into either of them.
[11:48] <ioria> ghostnik11, if you ask me that thing it's not suitable for ubuntu/linux (in the long run) , but good luck
[11:48] <multifractal> The BIOS throws an error about not being able to detect a hard drive.
[11:48] <nbusrone> By the way anyone expert in virtualbox here ?
[11:49] <nbusrone> Need a bit of help on virtualbox.
[11:49] <silvian> fub: hi usually that is done in .xinitrc you had no luck with that?
[11:49] <ducasse> ghostnik11: i agree 100% with ioria, you are pretty much on your own here
[11:49] <silvian> fub: and you are using xorg and not wayland correct?
[11:49] <ghostnik11> ioria, lol yeah well i need it for school and as long as i can read my digital textbooks, use kiwix, goldendict, and also watch my videos for school and practice questions then it stands a chance. its mostly for reading though
[11:50] <ghostnik11> ducasse, but it can be a daily? for daily use though?
[11:50] <ducasse> fub: it should be in .xsessionrc, not .xinitrc
[11:50] <sary> nbusrone: you may wish to ask in #virtualbox or #vbox .
[11:51] <ducasse> ghostnik11: you are lucky if you get basic use out of it
[11:51] <nbusrone> sary :  I did that , waited hours with no reply .
[11:51] <ghostnik11> ducasse, ioria, tell me your opinion b/c if you think it will break and crash on me when i head back to school b/c i won't have internet access for a long time so if you think it will break then i might as well take one of the android tablets in the house and see? but they are slow b/c they are from 2011
[11:52] <ducasse> ghostnik11: the hardware is known not to work well with linux
[11:52] <nbusrone> sary :  Is my question hard ? "Does virtualbox support or having log on IP adress in/out ? or how to log and view ip address which the guest connected? "
[11:53] <ioria> ghostnik11, yes, it 'll crash
[11:53] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay, even though i won't need it for much like just mostly pdf textbooks and word processor and basically kiwix and goldendict plus watching my videos for studying and also anki for flashcard studying
[11:54] <ghostnik11> ioria, i won't need it for much though, it will still crash even though i am not using it for much just basic stuff? like i am not playing video games on it or anything like that
[11:55] <ducasse> ghostnik11: do what you want, i would use it with whatever it came with and get something that works with linux
[11:55] <ioria> ghostnik11, in your case, if 15.10 works, stay with it and don't do upgrades
[11:55] <fub> ducasse: I'll try .xsessionrc, what is the difference between them?
[11:55] <fub> silvian: yes, its xorg.
[11:56] <ducasse> fub: one is sourced by display managers, the other by xinit/startx
[11:56] <fub> ducasse: okay. so I will put the nvidia-settings command now in the .xsessionrc right?
[11:57] <ghostnik11> ducasse, it came with windows!! and thats when the problem started? windows forced update to windows 10 and that took up all the disk space on the hard drive then after that the stupid windows programs would always be intrusive and also the battery driver went nutz and stopped working properly. not only that i was lucky if wifi didn't suddenly stop working even while using it. the worst thing asus did was allowing
[11:57] <ghostnik11> microsoft to brain wash them into making such a closed system on this thing they should have left it open
[11:57] <ducasse> fub: i would try that, yes.
[11:58] <sary> nbusrone: Did you searched the web with that question? you may find an answer.
[11:58] <silvian> ghostnik11: what hardware are youn running? is it causing issues with the current version you've got?
[11:59] <sary> nbusrone: or the virtualbox docs/wiki !
[11:59] <ghostnik11> silvian, no its not it runs perfectly, the only thing is now i need sound to work and the autobrightness and other scripts to work but it isn't bad. i need the sound b/c this will be a little tablet for studying
[12:00] <silvian> ghostnik11: i'd say if you want something long term and stable best stick with 16.04 for the foresable future it will provide you with best support.
[12:00] <ducasse> !google | sary
[12:00] <fub> ducasse: did not work :/
[12:00] <ghostnik11> silvian, perfect i will go with that and i know it won't fail me. especially for what i need it for
[12:01] <ducasse> ghostnik11: upgrading is a risk, bit running an unsupported os is also far from ideal
[12:01] <silvian> ghostnik11: oh... a tablet. like an x86 architecture cpu tablet right? not an ARM one
[12:01] <ducasse> bit=but
[12:02] <ghostnik11> silvian, ducasse it runs an intel baytrail chip, here is the specs: https://www.asus.com/us/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS_Transformer_Book_T100TA/specifications/
[12:04] <ducasse> fub: does the command itself work if you run it from a terminal?
[12:04] <silvian> ghostnik11: gotcha. Cool yeah it should work just fine for most things. To be honest there isn't much hardware requirements need between 15.04 or 15.10 (can't remember which one you said you have) and 16.04. It should behave pretty much the same.
[12:05] <ghostnik11> silvian, ducasse okay the update manager is updating it now thanks for the help ducasse
[12:05] <ducasse> ghostnik11: good luck
[12:07] <fub> ducasse: yes
[12:10] <onicrom> hello, i see that snapd is going out to the internet to search for updates, whats the best way to disable that?
[12:11] <ducasse> fub: try 'chmod +x ~/.xsessionrc'
[12:12] <ducasse> onicrom: disable snapd.refresh.service
[12:12] <onicrom> ducasse: just was seeing that, thanks for confirming
[12:13] <fub> ducasse: again, no change when booting
[12:14] <ducasse> fub: pretty sure i've seen people set this from xorg.conf.d snippets before, the nvidia man page should confirm
[12:14] <silvian> ducasse: fub: .xsessionrc or .xinitrc do not need to be made executable since they are loaded and read into the start script rather than ran independently as a script themselves.
[12:15] <fub> ducasse: I have currently put this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, should I try putting this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/01-foo ?
[12:15] <fub> silvian: okay, thanks for the info.
[12:15] <silvian> fub: I think what you may actually need to do is add your commands at the end of the /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup
[12:15] <silvian> fub: check if one exists on your system first?
[12:15] <ducasse> silvian: that's what i thought, just checking :)
[12:16] <silvian> yah no harm in checking
[12:16] <ghostnik11> silvian, when they say the upgrad process might take several hours they don't mean like 3 hours? or 4 hours?
[12:16] <fub> silvian: xdm does not exist, did you mean xsm?
[12:16] <ghostnik11> silvian, ducasse they mean less than that correct?
[12:16] <silvian> ghostnik11: it purely depends on your internet connection
[12:17] <ducasse> fub: you need to make a .conf file there with the right syntax
[12:17] <ghostnik11> silvian, no but i mean after i get all the stuff downloaded? it won't take like 3 hours to install them?
[12:17] <fiord> hey all
[12:17] <silvian> I never had an ubuntu install or upgrade take more than an hour ever. Usually it can be done in less than 30 minutes but that said i've ran it on SSDs and using fast internet connection.
[12:17] <ducasse> ghostnik11: depends on system speed
[12:17] <Ascavasaion> Can anyone point me in the correct direction.  I have a Samsung CLX-3305FW printer.  It is connected via LAN through a switch.  It prints perfectly, but the scan feature does not work.  Could someone maybe advise me please?
[12:17] <fub> ducasse: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
[12:17] <silvian> ghostnik11: no it shouldn't be... i'd be very surprised if it is.
[12:18] <fub> because there is also no xorg.conf.d folder in /etc/X11
[12:18] <silvian> ghostnik11: i'd say given those specs an hour top 2 hours max
[12:18] <ducasse> fub: you need to create it
[12:19] <fub> ducasse: and this is loaded while the xorg.conf is not?
[12:19] <ghostnik11> silvian, okay b/c the main problem right now is that this little thing doesn't charge while its on, just charges while its turned off!! i know its very suspect and i think its b/c the ac adapter is malfunctioning so i ordered a new one should arrive tomorrow
[12:19] <silvian> fub: i believe its the /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup where you need to add your script. at the end of that file. take a backup of it before you do of course. using cp Xsetup Xsetup.backup
[12:19] <fub> silvian: there is no "xdm" folder in there
[12:20] <ducasse> fub: it is read in addition to xorg.conf, so only contains sections. you can't just put a command there, though, it's not a script.
[12:20] <silvian> fub: oh then in that case its the Xsession.d folder
[12:21] <silvian> inside that you should have the config launch files no?
[12:21] <ducasse> fub: if you put it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ you *do* need to make it a script
[12:22] <fub> right, the name does not matter in Xsession.d/ ?
[12:22] <silvian> yeah that's a config file don't modify the xorg.conf
[12:22] <fub> I did not put the command in the xorg.conf afaik, I had use the corresponding config option there..
[12:22] <fub> (I'm not a linux beginner, just not doing a lot of x stuff)
[12:22] <silvian> fub: it does... thake a look at the way the files are named in that Xsession.d folder. do yo usee how they start with numbers?
[12:23] <ducasse> fub: call it something like '99tearing' to make it run late
[12:23] <silvian> those specify the order in which they get launched
[12:23] <fub> mh, I dont know if this are script files
[12:23] <fub> they all have this at the top:
[12:24] <ducasse> they are
[12:24] <fub> # This file is sourced by Xsession(5), not executed.
[12:24] <silvian> fub: I have for example in my Xsssion.d a file named 99upstart
[12:25] <silvian> you can be super lazy and just drop your stuff in there before user session is triggered
[12:25] <ducasse> fub: they are still scripts, they're just sourced
[12:25] <fub> ok, let me reboot to test it
[12:25] <silvian> make sure you use #comments to write exatly what changes you made
[12:25] <silvian> and backup the existing file if you modified it in any way
[12:25] <fub> I did not modify any file, just added one
[12:26] <silvian> cool :)
[12:26] <ducasse> Ascavasaion: check sane-project.org if it has a driver.  also check the manufacturers site.
[12:27] <fub> did not work -.-
[12:28] <ducasse> did you use an absolute path, for example?
[12:28] <fub> yes
[12:28] <fub> from which nvidia-settings
[12:28] <silvian> fub: have you sacrificed to the god of IT today?
[12:29] <fub> I found this in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log: [    16.356] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select+0+0{ForceCompositionPipeline=On}"
[12:29] <fub> I found this entry twice there
[12:29] <fub> as if my xorg.conf works and the script works, too
[12:29] <silvian> fub: maybe the order in which the script is suppose to run is not right. Maybe it should be 98 before 99upstart which starts the user session
[12:29] <fub> oh wait, maybe it needs some seconds to have "effect"?
[12:30] <fub> let me reboot and wait a few seconds
[12:30] <silvian> fub: i'm doing that sacrifice which you've forgot to do... right now for ya ;)
[12:32] <fub> works
[12:32] <silvian> :D
[12:32] <fub> :)
[12:32] <silvian> sacrifice complete everythign is fine again
[12:32] <fub> hehe
[12:32] <fub> thanks a lot for your help guys!
[12:33] <silvian> fub: you're very welcome. :)
[12:34] <gunix> my first community wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HALAMP :D i feel happy. if you have suggestions, please hit me
[12:35] <silvian> gunix: well done :D
[12:38] <MonkeyDust> gunix  looks great, but there's this typo ... 'haproxy for loand balancing' ... 'loand'
[12:41] <egelor> i download gstreamer-java but there is no way to find the path that the folder must be
[12:52] <ghostnik11> silvian, ducasse its asking me what i want to do about configuring grub-efi-ia32?
[12:52] <ghostnik11> silvian, should i keep the local version? or have it changed ducasse
[12:52] <ducasse> ghostnik11: keep
[12:53] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so that means that grub will stay with my say modified changes that i made? so the 16.04 will know to use my modified grub?
[12:54] <ducasse> ghostnik11: it will keep your modifications, yes
[12:54] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay perfect
[12:54] <ghostnik11> ducasse, the upgrade is almost done
[12:57] <gunix> MonkeyDust: thank you!
[13:00] <ghostnik11> ducasse, silvian, now its asking me what i want to do about configuring unattended-upgrades. says should i keep it as it is. its the modified configuration file 50 unattended-upgrades?
[13:01] <ducasse> ghostnik11: up to you whether or not you want to keep your modifications
[13:02] <ghostnik11> ducasse, yeah but i don't know what that file represents in my system?
[13:02] <ghostnik11> ducasse, like if i tell it to be changed will it break the system?
[13:02] <ducasse> ghostnik11: no
[13:03] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so i should stay safe and keep the modified changes that i have locally?
[13:04] <ghostnik11> ducasse, following a debian site it just says unattended-upgrades is to keep the computer current with the latest security
[13:04] <ducasse> ghostnik11: the file only sets up whether updates will be automatically installed
[13:05] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay will keep it as is
[13:15] <multifractal> I've been advised that I might have trouble installing Ubuntu because my new lptop's hard drive is "NVMe". Is this so, and what exactly does this imply?
[13:17] <ducasse> later versions should work with nvme out of the box, afaik
[13:17] <multifractal> ducasse: me?
[13:18] <ducasse> yes
[13:18] <multifractal> I've got 16.04 here. My first attempt to install Ubuntu, the wizard couldn't detect the hard drive.
[13:19] <ducasse> try 17.04 instead
[13:19] <ducasse> i'm not sure when support was added
[13:20] <multifractal> ducasse: OK. In the mean time, I switched the "SATA operation" from RAID mode to AHCI. After that, the Ubuntu installer was able to detect the hard drive and install, but after installation it wouldn't boot.
[13:20] <multifractal> there was some tiny prompt on the screen saying something about (initramfs) or something...
[13:21] <multifractal> I've since switched back into RAID mode and used my Win10 recovery media to restore it.
[13:22] <ducasse> exactly what it said is kind of important if you want help. you most likely need to use ahci if you want to run linux.
[13:25] <multifractal> ducasse: yeah sorry that was a few errors ago. This sounds very much like my problem, it sounds like a lot of people have this problem with the Dell 9365 http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/t/20004529
[13:26] <multifractal> Can you help me understand what the problem is, I'm not sure what the particular differences between these modes are.
[13:27] <ducasse> i'm not sure what the problem with the dell is, but raid/ahci are two different modes the controller can run in, and they need to be supported.
[13:33] <multifractal> ducasse: by all accounts, people switch into AHCI mode and their laptop never boots again. It might as well be a "break this computer" button.
[13:34] <Ascavasaion> ducasse: Solution found.  Entailed DLing a driver and doing a .install.sh and hashing out a line in xerox_mpf.conf and entering the IP of the standalone MPF
[13:34] <Ascavasaion> Later all... and thank you for always giving some advice.
[13:35] <ducasse> multifractal: interesting. can't help with that, sounds like a firmware problem.
[13:37] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so it upgraded but the weird thing is that with kernel 4.4.95 or something like that it crashes but when i went down to 4.4.42 it works. i don't know why?
[13:39] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay now i need to upgrade the kernel to 4.11 b/c thats really good for this model of 2 in 1 pc. also it will have my sound working
[13:42] <ducasse> ghostnik11: be aware that 4.11 is unsupported and you won't get any updates for it
[13:42] <ghostnik11> ducasse, what do you mean i thought all kernels were supported?
[13:42] <ducasse> ghostnik11: only the ones that are in the repos
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> i installed 4.11 just yesterday, works fine until now
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> or so far, rather*
[13:43] <ducasse> ghostnik11: by 'unsupported' i mean 'if it breaks you get to keep both pieces'
[13:43] <ghostnik11> ducasse, also i wanted to know if there is a way that i can have my wireless automatically come up instead of running this command sudo modprobe -r brcmfmac and then sudo modprobe brcmfmac like can i have the system do that for me when i sign into ubuntu without having to go to terminal
[13:44] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay cool, it won't break
[13:44] <ghostnik11> MonkeyDust, have you seen any big problems with 4.11? like does everything work out the box?
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> ghostnik11  yes, no problems here ... mind, i use Mint
[13:46] <ducasse> ...and different hardware
[13:46] <ghostnik11> MonkeyDust, okay it should be fine. the other option i have is to get sound working with kernel .42 and also i don't understand why .95 doesn't load ubuntu? like it gets to the ubuntu logo with the dots then the dots change color but then it just freezes
[13:59] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so i am following these instructions to update kernel to 4.11
[14:00] <ghostnik11> ducasse, https://plus.google.com/117678584843504718765/posts/Z47kmVKe13K
[14:01] <ghostnik11> ducasse, it says to run this command: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[14:05] <ghostnik11> ducasse, i rant the command and now its installing the kernel but i wanted to know how to add it the advance submenu in grub? also it says possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc is that major?
[14:06] <ducasse> it should be added automatically
[14:06] <ghostnik11> quick question after running that command do i have to do an update to grub?
[14:07] <ghostnik11> ducasse, like sudo update-grub?
[14:07] <ducasse> the install should do so
[14:07] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so i can just restart and should see 4.11 in submenu
[14:08] <ducasse> it should load the latest kernel when you boot
[14:08] <ghostnik11> ducasse, hopefully this works. will try it now. thanks
[14:13] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so i restarted and in grub just selected regular ubuntu without even going to submenu but i don't know if i am on kernel 4.11 for one thing the sound volume in menu up top by time came up but still no sound
[14:14] <ducasse> 'uname -r' will tell you which kernel you are running
[14:15] <ghostnik11> ducasse, just ran this: hostnamectl status
[14:15] <ghostnik11> ducasse, it shows me kernel 4.11 so i am happy about that. now just need to fix sound and backlight and autobrightness
[14:16] <ghostnik11> ducasse, is there anyway to tell my system to run this command at startup: sudo modprobe -r brcmfmac and then sudo modprobe brcmfmac
[14:16] <ghostnik11> ducasse, i have to do that everytime i log in to ubuntu to get wireless up and running
[14:25] <ducasse> add them to a script and put that in autostartup for your desktop, or try putting them in ~/.xsessionrc
[14:27] <ducasse> or run them from /etc/rc.local
[14:35] <demophobia> file > open ipod in gnome mplayer has no response; how do i fix this?
[14:35] <demophobia> (16.04)
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> !ipod | demophobia start here
[14:38] <demophobia> MonkeyDust: thanks, i already did ...
[14:38] <demophobia> was hoping to get lubuntu default software working rather than install rhythmbox
[14:39] <ballpen[m]> how to delete headers in librewriter
[14:58] <fub> On my ssd I have win+linux. The win partitions are before the linux. I want to remove windows and have the whole ssd for linux now. What is the best way to do this? I need to copy everything from my current to some external backup and then move everything back when I have cleared the whole ssd, right?
[14:58] <fub> How do I copy this? dd? how do I copy this back then?
[15:11] <EriC^^> fub: you could delete the windows partitions and then use gparted to move linux back then resize it
[15:11] <EriC^^> or just add the windows partitions as a separate /home
[15:23] <fub> EriC^^: I dont think thats possible because the linux is on an extended
[15:24] <EriC^^> fub: it's possible
[15:24] <fub> EriC^^: how? I cant remove the extended
[15:24] <fub> or resize the  extended
[15:25] <EriC^^> fub: you can resize it
[15:25] <fub> EriC^^: http://i.imgur.com/q23EiTJ.png
[15:25] <EriC^^> fub: type "sudo parted -l | nc termview.me 9999"
[15:26] <EriC^^> fub: delete sda2 and then move the extended to the back
[15:26] <hosas> is there way to customize  nano so that I can give it opening option, so that when I open it, I would have some text already typed in? e.g nano -pp loop.cpp would open loop.cpp with "#include"  already typed in?
[15:26] <hosas> thanks
[15:26] <hosas>  
[15:27] <fub> EriC^^: http://termview.me/9lzg
[15:28] <EriC^^> fub: yes, delete sda2 and move it to infront of the small 100mb one
[15:29] <fub> EriC^^: when I remove sda2, there is a large unallocated block before the extended
[15:29] <fub> but I still have no option on the extended, everything is greyed out
[15:29] <EriC^^> try pressing save or so maybe on the next reload it gives you options?
[15:29] <fub> oh wait, maybe I have to do this from a LiveCD?
[15:30] <fub> and its locked because I've booted from a partition in ext3
[15:30] <fub> *sda3
[15:30] <EriC^^> https://askubuntu.com/questions/557751/gparted-move-extended-partition-on-the-left
[15:30] <lordcirth> fub, you can't move a partition while it's mounted
[15:30] <EriC^^> fub: yes it can't be mounted
[15:30] <fub> ok so I have to do all of this from a livecd/usb, right?
[15:31] <EriC^^> yes
[15:31] <fub> EriC^^: so when I have moved the extended to the beginning, where is the "free space" now?
[15:31] <EriC^^> after the extended
[15:31] <fub> Is it at the end so I can remove the swap and extend the other last partition?
[15:31] <fub> can I "extend" the extended with this space?
[15:32] <fub> so I can make my / bigger
[15:32] <EriC^^> yeah i've done it manually with fdisk
[15:32] <EriC^^> gparted should be able to do it i guess, or look into how to do it with fdisk
[15:32] <fub> ok, so a) remove sda2, b) move extended to the beginning c) resize extended d) resize other partitions in the extended
[15:33] <EriC^^> fub: if you do it manually, you have to resize the fs as well after you extend the partition
[15:33] <fub> I would prefer to use gparted
[15:33] <fub> so I do not mess things up
[15:34] <EriC^^> sure
[15:34] <fub> will gparted also rewrite the bootloader?
[15:34] <fub> So I will be able to boot my system
[15:34] <EriC^^> fub: i dont think that'll be necessary
[15:35] <EriC^^> grub uses the uuid to find the root fs and that wont change
[15:35] <EriC^^> you'll need to edit fstab to point to the right swap uuid though if you delete and remake it
[15:35] <fub> ok
[15:35] <EriC^^> or just use mkswap -U <old-uuid-here> /dev/sdxY
[15:35] <fub> but I can do this while booted, right?
[15:36] <EriC^^> well yeah, it'll just take a while to boot waiting for swap
[15:36] <fub> ok
[15:36] <EriC^^> do it from the live usb
[15:36] <fub> yeah I will do this all from the live
[15:37] <fub> I can also move my home and resize the / in this process, right?
[15:37] <fub> what is the "extended" even for?
[15:37] <fub> can I remove this or is it necessary?
[15:37] <EriC^^> type sudo blkid | grep swap and copy the uuid somewhere to later use it with mkswap
[15:38] <EriC^^> fub: yeah you can resize / and /home
[15:38] <EriC^^> fub: it's so you can have more than 4 partitions
[15:38] <fub> so I should leave this as it is?
[15:38] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:39] <EriC^^> just dont delete sda1, as you need at least one primary partition
[15:40] <fub> ok
[15:40] <fub> will make a backup now first
[15:40] <fub> thanks for your help!
[15:40] <EriC^^> fub: good idea, no problem!
[15:51] <tlyng> After I installed juju, lxd and others yesterday my computer has issues booting today. Kernel and everything is slow and my logs are filled with "pkcs#7 signature not signed with a trusted key". I've tried disabling secure boot in bios, without any progress. Does anyone know how to actually disable this junk?
[15:51] <tlyng> can't even identify which kernel module that is causing this
[16:02] <multifractal> https://askubuntu.com/questions/867488/dell-xps-13-9360-dualboot-windows-10-and-ubuntu-16-04 I'm failing at step 9. I get a "Hard drive not detected" Dell BIOS error.
[16:12] <tomreyn> multifractal: if you're looking for help with a BIOS error you'd best talk to the vendor. this would not be ubuntu related.
[16:16] <Darkhunter> Hello, I want to install ubuntu on about 10 servers and I want to use same configuration except hostname for every server. I know things like puppet and ansible and so on...But this is one time thing so I don't want to waste time. Is there any possibility to make image or something that can be easily copied to another disk. I thought about installing ubuntu on RAID1 with 10 disks and then taking disks to every server....
[16:18] <Toba> lol
[16:18] <Toba> just dd the drive
[16:18] <Toba> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning
[16:18] <Toba> it's arch linux's page, but this is all generic commands
[16:19] <Toba> don't do crazy RAID1 things unless you actually want RAID1 on the servers you are deploying
[16:20] <Darkhunter> Toba: Okay...I will do it this way.
[16:20] <oerheks> !landscape
[16:21] <Toba> or, you can do that
[16:21] <Toba> landscape thing
[16:22] <Toba> wow, landscape looks pretty cool. first i've heard of it
[16:22] <Dbugger> Hello everyone
[16:22] <oerheks> if this is just an onetime deployment, it would be a waste of time itself to look for and learn a tool
[16:24] <Dbugger> I have a very weird issue, and I was wondering if anyone could give me a tip here. This is what happens: If I open a terminal with CTRL+ALT+T in a workspace, then I move to another workspace, and I press the same combination again... it will indeed open a new Terminal in the otherworkspace, but at the same time it changes the workspace, to the one were the first terminal is
[16:26] <oerheks> Dbugger, sure that is weird, it does not happen here, 17.04
[16:28] <Toba> Darkhunter: ^ there are other alternatives, you should consider them
[16:28] <Dbugger> oerheks, i am not sure if it may be because I am using Terminator
[16:28] <Dbugger> i will uninstall it, and try if it happens without it
[16:28] <oerheks> oh, not standard gnome-terminal.. you should mention that, and ubuntu version too
[16:29] <Dbugger> sorry
[16:29] <Dbugger> I just tested it and indeed, with the standard gnome terminal is not happening
[16:29] <oerheks> Not sure why terminator grabs/changes focus..
[16:30] <Dbugger> indeed, it is a issue with terminal..
[16:30] <Dbugger> *terminator
[16:31] <Dbugger> is this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/terminator/+bug/1646437
[16:32] <multifractal> tomreyn: fair enough. but how about this: when I switch on with the Ubuntu installer plugged in on most other computers a purple screen appears followed by a GUI. On the problematic laptop in question I get a black screen with text options to "try ubuntu", "install ubuntu" etc. resembling the GRUB menu (but black instead of dark purple). What's up with that?
[16:33] <oerheks> Dbugger, could well be, current terminator in 17.04 is still 1.90, it should be fixed in 1.91 according to that bugreport
[16:33] <oerheks> !info terminator
[16:34] <Dbugger> I guess I will have to wait for the next version
[16:34] <Dbugger> thanks oerheks
[16:35] <oerheks> next 17.10 artful will have 1.91 > https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/terminator
[16:36] <Dbugger> then there I go :)
[16:36] <Dbugger> im curious how will next Ubuntu look
[16:36] <Dbugger> no Unity, right?
[16:36] <tomreyn> multifractal: maybe that's BIOS vs UEFI booting.
[16:37] <tomreyn> multifractal: is there a problem with this menu?
[16:38] <multifractal> tomreyn: Well no, but I thought it might shed some light on what's wrong with this computer. It's proving very difficult to install Ubuntu because it arrived in RAID mode and refuses to detect the hard drive after switching to ACHI mode.
[16:39] <tomreyn> multifractal: if the bios fails to detect the drives in ahci mode, it's a bios / firmware/hardware issue, and if so, any OS may fail to install or operate properly.
[16:55] <LostSoul> Hello
[16:55] <LostSoul> Is this right place to ask about lubuntu?
[16:59] <tomreyn> hello LostSoul, it is
[17:00] <tomreyn> there is also #lubuntu , though
[17:19] <LostSoul> Thanks tomreyn
[17:19] <LostSoul> I'm facing problem when I try to install latest lubuntu with luks encryption
[17:20] <LostSoul> I mean well know problem with swap is first thing (swapoff -a helps)
[17:21] <LostSoul> Second thing is lack of lvm2 packages as far as I can see, but even when I install them and system seems to install after reboot I'm getting that vg of that lvm is not found
[17:21] <LostSoul> I've chrooted to that OS, and install lvm2 on installed statem too (as it seems that it's lacking there), I've recreted initramfs and reinstalled grub2
[17:22] <LostSoul> Any idea what else might be missing?
[17:23] <LostSoul> I mean, I might have gave you too little of information
[17:24] <LostSoul> Please advice me what else I can provide for you, because I've tried to read some tutorial on lubuntu/ubuntu/mint/arch and I see nothing more that might be missing
[17:25] <tomreyn> LostSoul: i'm not sure what the 'issue with swap' is, but if it's not an issue now we don't need to discuss it.
[17:26] <tomreyn> LostSoul: you say you're instlaling  the latest lubuntu release, this would be 17.04, right?
[17:27] <tomreyn> i woul dbe quitre surprised if the installer woul dnot install lvm2 packages if you chose to use lvm
[17:27] <tomreyn> we'd need the precise error message to debug this further
[17:27] <LostSoul> tomreyn: Yes
[17:28] <LostSoul> I went with 17.04
[17:28] <LostSoul> I mean it seems that liveCD don't have lvm2 installed :O
[17:28] <LostSoul> As I needed to do so
[17:28] <LostSoul> After OS isntallation - OS itself didn't have package lvm2 (maybe there should be something else?)
[17:29] <tomreyn> what makes you think that there is no lvm on the live / install dvd?
[17:30] <tomreyn> how did you test / verify that lvm2 is not installed on the system post installation?
[17:30] <LostSoul> One thing was error(I couldn't use lvs/vgs/lv*/vg*/pv* in general), second was the fact that I was able to do apt-get install lvm2 and last one after installation error didn't occured on the installer
[17:31] <LostSoul> Yeah, after OS was installed and didn't boot - I had the same problem on installed OS, now even I can see it I'm not sure luks is able to open partition
[17:31] <LostSoul> Now I can see it = after installation lvm2 on installed OS
[17:32] <LostSoul> I didn't try Ubuntu 17.04 all I was doing was Lubuntu 17.04 so it's hard for me to say if similar issues are on clean ubuntu
[17:32] <tomreyn> what happened when you tried to use lvs/vgs/lv*/vg*/pv* ? what were input and output? "apt-get install lvm2" would not result in an error message (just a warning) if it was already installed.
[17:32] <LostSoul> Nevertheless, I tried to chroot few times and fix it, trying to check /etc/crypttab /etc/fstab/ /etc/default/grub etc and I found nothing
[17:33] <LostSoul> tomreyn: It said that there is not such command/program (I don't remember whole message) and it offered intallation by apt-get install lvm2
[17:33] <LostSoul> After "apt-get install lvm2" - few packages were installed
[17:34] <tomreyn> okay, then i agree that lvm2 was not installed previously. why that's so, i could not tell (i do not know which choices you made suring installaiton).
[17:36] <tomreyn> LostSoul: a web search for the issues you discussed seems to bring up similar reports, no bug reports, just posts on askubuntu.com and similar Q&A websites. i suggest you either install install lubuntu 16.04.3 or ubuntu 17.04 and then switch to lubuntu.
[17:38] <LostSoul> Thanks tomreyn
[17:38] <LostSoul> So this is something "bigger", right?
[17:39] <LostSoul> I found some bugs similar to mine, even from past but not one of them was either helpful or solved
[17:39] <tomreyn> LostSoul: it could be just FUD, i did not spot a bug report on what you discussed (but i did not spend a lot of time)
[17:40] <tomreyn> on the other hand canonical seems to have successfully reached the level where laying off more developers has resulted in broken (non LTS) release images which don't get fixed.
[17:42] <LostSoul> tomreyn: FUD?
[17:42] <tomreyn> !fud
[17:42] <LostSoul> Ah, thnka tomreyn ;)
[17:43] <LostSoul> I wanted Lubuntu just because it's suppose to be lightweigh - I need simple OS for old laptop
[17:43] <LostSoul> I had not problem with Mint on my other laptop or Ubuntu/Debian on servers - so I was kinda "shocked?" when they claimed it stable, when it seems not to be
[17:44] <tomreyn> LostSoul: welcome. and yes lubuntu is less heavy than plain ubuntu.
[17:45] <LostSoul> Good to know, I know it's ubuntu channel but maybe you can recommend something alternative?
[17:46] <LostSoul> As I will try 16.04 but if it doesn't work tbh I won't give lubuntu more tries
[17:46] <tomreyn> LostSoul: lubuntu and xubuntu or ubuntu-mint should be fine
[17:48] <tomreyn> if you need something even more light-weight you could try openbox, icewm, fluxbox
[17:48] <LostSoul> Thanks tomreyn :)
[17:49] <tomreyn> LostSoul: those are not linux distributions but windows managers / desktops available on ubuntu (and other linux distributions).
[17:52] <tomreyn> switching to a different distribution will probably not help you much unless it's one where you bake your own kernel with custom configurations (or use a legacy kernel version), rebuild most software with CPU specific flags.
[17:53] <tomreyn> LostSoul: oops, when i wrote ubuntu-mint i actually meant ubuntu-mate.
[17:55] <LostSoul> hehe, I though so :)
[17:56] <LostSoul> tomreyn: 16.04 - I tried it and lvm2 is from begin
[17:56] <LostSoul> I hope installation will work fine both with lvm2 and cryptsetup (as I guess second one was also not working on 17.04 as it never asked me for a password - just tried to get access to lv that doesn't "exist" till partition was open)
[18:12] <sim642> I'm trying to copy a directory from an android device (MTP) and am just getting a "libmtp error: could no get object handles..." when I try to browse it, copy it or even check its details (size)
[18:13] <sim642> Could it be a problem that it's a 7GB directory with over 7000 files?
[18:15] <waveprop> when i use 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' on 14.04.2, does it cease to be 14.04.2 and become current with 14.04.4 ?
[18:15] <waveprop> or do 14.04.2 and 14.04.4 use distincly separate repos
[18:19] <ioria> waveprop, can you paste  'uname -r ' output ?
[18:21] <waveprop> ioria: 3.13.0-117-generic #164-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 7 11:05:26 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:22] <ioria> !info linux-generic trusty
[18:22] <waveprop> /etc/issue indicates 14.04.2 but the kernel banner differs from a stock 14.04.2 install, some updates have been applied.
[18:22] <ioria> waveprop, current for trusty (without hwe) is .129.  you need to upgarde
[18:22] <waveprop> ioria: so you're telling me this is a non-standard kernel in use
[18:22] <ioria> waveprop, nope, i'am telling you that is old
[18:23] <ioria> waveprop, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:23] <waveprop> i get that it's out of date. but the info command you ran against the bot said generic kernel package is optional, what's that about
[18:24] <oerheks> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade # will bring you to 14.04.4
[18:24] <ioria> waveprop, does not matter
[18:24] <waveprop> ioria: more to the point, do i have to run dist-upgrade to jump to the next subrealeas, i.e. .3 or .4
[18:24] <oerheks> errr 14.04.5
[18:24] <EriC^^> waveprop: yeh
[18:25] <ioria> waveprop, let's say that (really nothing will change, apart the kernel)
[18:26] <waveprop> EriC^^: okay so if i just run upgrade, but not dist-upgrade, it will just pull updates for .2 and not from .3 branch?
[18:26] <ioria> waveprop, the main issue is the kernel, trust me
[18:26] <EriC^^> waveprop: there's no branch, one of the packages has the /etc/issue file i'm guessing
[18:27] <EriC^^> !info base-files trusty
[18:27] <waveprop> ioria: i know about the kernel vulns in my version, what im trying to understand here is the delineation between .3 .4 etc subreseases
[18:27] <ducasse> !hwe | waveprop this is the difference
[18:27] <waveprop> ducasse: thanks
[18:28] <ioria> waveprop, you're not usining hwe, so there is no point in that
[18:28] <waveprop> !hwe
[18:29] <oerheks> HWE needs a fully updated ubuntu AFAIK
[18:29] <waveprop> hwe is a means to roll kernel updates _only_ ?
[18:29] <ioria> waveprop, that and xorg
[18:30] <waveprop> ioria: okay. is there some flag is /proc or /etc where i can check if its in use?
[18:30] <ioria> waveprop, run this in term :  hwe-support-status
[18:31] <waveprop> thanks ioria, and everyone else
[18:32] <ioria> waveprop, ok
[18:32] <waveprop> ok no such package
[18:32] <vlt> sim642: I’d try to rsync it (in case cp gets confused by the phone changing contents mid-copy.)
[18:32] <oerheks>  hwe-support-status  is provided in the update-manager-core package
[18:33] <sim642> vlt, I'm using thunar under xubuntu, it does MTP via gvfs or whatever
[18:33] <vlt> sim642: Aah, right. There’s no mounted directory.
[18:34] <sim642> I'm not sure if using mtpfs or something similar would help if libmtp is the one erroring
[18:36] <Mrokii> Hello. When I use synaptic to reinstall files I get the following error: "W: Problem unlinking the file apt-fast - Clean (21: Is a directory)". What can I do to get rid of this?
[18:36] <blndidiot> Hi. I'm trying to diagnose low writes on my machine, not sure where to go from here.  dd from /dev/zero to local.file, about 200MB/s.  hdparm -t, about 500MB/s.  dd from local1.file to local2.file, 40MB/s.  dd from network PC to local.file, 40MB/s.  Smart test checks out.. disk is 500MB/s R/W MSATA SSD
[18:36] <lordcirth> Mrokii, https://askubuntu.com/questions/816503/w-problem-unlinking-the-file-lists-clean-21-is-a-directory-error-when-runn#828021
[18:37] <Mrokii> lordcirth: Thanks, I'll take a look.
[18:37] <lordcirth> blndidiot, try running dd with 'bs=1M'
[18:38] <oerheks> blndidiot, please don't crosspost, you get help already
[18:38] <oerheks> in ##linux that is..
[18:42] <sim642> vlt, I'm trying adb pull now, hopefully it doesn't suck so bad for a massive directory
[18:45] <ghostnik11> hey so i am trying to get sound to work and the instructions say just copy the files to lib/firmware/intel can i just extract them from the zip folder and copy and paste them over? here is where i got the instructions: https://plus.google.com/117678584843504718765/posts/Z47kmVKe13K
[18:46] <RudyValencia> Hi, so I'm trying to install xubuntu 16.04.3 in a VMware guest with UEFI and when I reboot I get a grub> prompt, why doesn't it boot? (the partitions created are: 512MB EFI System Partition, 2GB swap, rest of disk XFS mounted to /)
[18:47] <oerheks> ghostnik11, good luck with that  Asus T100TA, ( i gave up), don't use that kernel form a google drive, use the mainline repo *if* you need it
[18:47] <oerheks> !mainline
[18:48] <gunix> RudyValencia: are you using esxi or vmplayer?
[18:48] <RudyValencia> VMware Workstation 12.5 Pro
[18:48] <gunix> RudyValencia: workstation should have an option to auto install ubuntu
[18:49] <ghostnik11> oerheks, but the team over in google plus said 4.11 worked well with it? is the mainline better? also quick question can i just copy and paste the files into that folder?
[18:49] <gunix> RudyValencia: if you didn't use it, try installing by using that option. if you did use it, try installing without using that option
[18:49] <RudyValencia> the auto-installer doesn't produce a 2GB swap for my VM
[18:49] <oerheks> ghostnik11, i don't trust kernels from a guy with google drive, that is all.
[18:49] <oerheks> ghostnik11, yes, those instructions are clear..
[18:49] <ghostnik11> oerheks, okay whats the worst that can happen?
[18:49] <ducasse> ghostnik11: you can gt 4.11 from mainline as well, and that is much safer
[18:49] <oerheks> i hope it works for you
[18:49] <gunix> RudyValencia: you can create a 2GB swap file on your system, if you want.
[18:50] <RudyValencia> with the autoinstall option that VMware Workstation does?
[18:50] <RudyValencia> also it doesn't do XFS, just ext4
[18:50] <oerheks> ghostnik11, the worst that can happen? go speculate..
[18:50] <gunix> RudyValencia: with any ubuntu ... you can create a swap file.
[18:50] <RudyValencia> I'm tyring putting the / after the ESP
[18:50] <ghostnik11> ducasse, yeah but i already installed 4.11 and didn't use mainline will that be a problem? also can this person who created the kernel have access to my information?
[18:51] <gunix> RudyValencia: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-16-04
[18:51] <RudyValencia> (instead of ESP, swap, root
[18:51] <gunix> RudyValencia: also, i think swap file gets to the size of ram. so if you give the VM 2 GB ram, it should automatically create a 2 GB swap (this is just a wild guess)
[18:51] <ducasse> ghostnik11: just remove the kernel you installed from gdrive. and yes, such things are possible when you download software from suspicious sources.
[18:51] <ghostnik11> ducasse, should i download the mainline kernel and then run that 4.11
[18:52] <ghostnik11> ducasse, will do that now
[18:52] <thyriaen> how can i control my fans on the video card ? ( using the amd open source driver )
[18:52] <ghostnik11> ducasse, how can i remove the kernel when i am using it now? will i have to restart and boot with another kernel and then do it from that other kernel'
[18:53] <RudyValencia> gunix: I'll try the autoinstall but it probably doesn't let me pick what filesystem, eh.
[18:53] <gunix> RudyValencia: from what you are telling us, it sounds like grub doesn't detect the initramfs or the linux kernel file. this sounds like a bad install. i could troubleshoot it if i had my eyes on it, but that's a lot of effort which is worth it only if you want to learn the booting system. fastest solution is reinstall... if you need a larger swap than you could also enlarge swap partition.
[18:54] <ducasse> ghostnik11: no, just remove the packages
[18:54] <RudyValencia> OK
[18:54] <RudyValencia> I usually prefer xfs but if it won't work, then it won't work
[18:55] <gunix> RudyValencia: why do you need xfs?
[18:55] <ducasse> thyriaen: fancontrol, perhaps? idk.
[18:55] <RudyValencia> gunix: reliability generally is better after a crash
[18:56] <ghostnik11> ducasse, will go to synaptic and remove it from there
[18:56] <gunix> RudyValencia: how many ubuntu crashes did you see in the last years? also, why do you care about crashes on a test vm? and regarding crashes, the best part about xfs is that it allows large files. you can use ext4 without having issues
[18:56] <RudyValencia> yeah, I keep my backups on XFS
[18:57] <gunix> how big are the backups?
[18:57] <RudyValencia> well, they're not compressed, just an rsync to a NAS
[18:58] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay completely removed using synaptic. should i restart first before i try to add from mainline?
[18:58] <ghostnik11> or just try and add them first then restart?
[18:58] <ducasse> ghostnik11: not necessary, just install
[18:59] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay so this is the site: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.11.12/ thats the latest i have seen with 4.11 and i want to know if i can just plug in that git? in to terminal but i only want the 64bit one
[19:01] <gunix> RudyValencia: unless you have files bigger than 2 TB, ext will do fine :D
[19:01] <gunix> *ext4
[19:01] <ghostnik11> ducasse, i am a little confused i just want to tell it to give me the 64 ones not the arms or any thing else
[19:02] <gunix> RudyValencia: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/1532 ... xfs is used in the corporate world because sometimes they manage to have huge bulks of data into single files (which is always bad anyway) ...
[19:03] <ghostnik11> ducasse, can i just use the software install to do it because i selected one of the headers?
[19:03] <ducasse> ghostnik11: you need the ones under 'Build for amd64 succeeded' except the lowlatency ones
[19:04] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay so that will be the ones with all and the 2 generic. it asks if i want to open it with software install
[19:05] <SummerRain> Help, I installed ubuntu with with dual boot with windows 7 and now it wont detect windows 7 on grub on start up
[19:05] <ghostnik11> ducasse, so i am waiting for the last one that is generic to download and will then go to terminal and install it using that command. should i put it into a new folder or it doesn't matter? like should i put all 3 of them in a new folder?
[19:05] <SummerRain> what should I do ?
[19:06] <SummerRain> The windows files are still in the other partition
[19:06] <ducasse> ghostnik11: yes, do that
[19:06] <SummerRain> Please, im desperate,  I didnt backup anything
[19:07] <SummerRain> Help, I installed ubuntu with with dual boot with windows 7 and now it wont detect windows 7 on grub on start up!!!
[19:07] <ducasse> SummerRain: run 'sudo update-grub', see if it mentions finding windows
[19:08] <SummerRain> Yes it did!
[19:08] <SummerRain> i Think it worked, ouch
[19:08] <SummerRain> I just need to remember the command to use with gedit to set windows 7 as default
[19:10] <SummerRain> @ducasse thanks i will test now
[19:14] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay it completed and now i am going to restart and hopefully it works
[19:15] <ghostnik11> ducasse, hey what does it mean when you go to submenu in grub and next to kernel it says upstart?
[19:15] <ioria> ghostnik11, legacy init system
[19:16] <ducasse> ghostnik11: it means boot with upstart as init instead of systemd, don't touch it
[19:16] <ghostnik11> ducasse, okay cool thanks
[19:18] <garakchy> hi
[19:18] <garakchy> Hi everybody
[19:18] <gunix> hi garakchy
[19:20] <ghostnik11> ducasse, it worked and now i am on 4.11.12 from the mainline team. and also my wifi started up without me having to go into terminal so thats cool
[19:21] <emma> is it possible to put ubuntu on a very low end lenovo that uses AMD?
[19:21] <emma> fedorafan: hi
[19:22] <RudyValencia> gunix: it booted that way
[19:22] <gunix> emma: try Xubuntu
[19:23] <oerheks> emma, sure, amd or intel, no problem, you might want to use a lightweight desktop like xubuntu or ubuntu-mate then
[19:23] <gunix> RudyValencia: i am happy i could help. what's your swap size?
[19:23] <RudyValencia> dunno, haven't logged in yet, one sec
[19:23] <fedorafan> hi
[19:24] <gunix> fedorafan: this is REALLY awkward now.
[19:24] <gunix> ghostnik11: i am really curious what wifi card you have, with which kernel it ran by default and with which kernel it didn't.
[19:24] <fedorafan> scroll up gunix
[19:25] <emma> i just didn't know if amd was suported.
[19:25] <RudyValencia> gunix: 4GB
[19:25] <gunix> RudyValencia: i guess that is enough for what you need. did you put 4 gb in the settings of the vm?
[19:25] <ghostnik11> gunix, well it just worked after basically a restart and i am using kernel 4.11.12 and it just worked right out of boot which was suprising because usually i have to go into terminal and run the commands to get it to work
[19:25] <RudyValencia> I'll just go with whatever it gave me
[19:26] <gunix> RudyValencia: ok, have fun with it! :)
[19:27] <gunix> ghostnik11: i am asking because new kernel versions might have updates to adapt better to hardware. happens a lot if graphics cards and logitech controllers and such ... for example, kernel 4.10 had a huge update for caby lake processors
[19:27] <ghostnik11> gunix, hey here is the wifi info from pastebin: https://pastebin.com/cMZysqzS
[19:28] <ghostnik11> gunix, well this processor on this little 2 in 1 pc is a baytrail intel one
[19:29] <gunix> ghostnik11: nice
[19:31] <ghostnik11> gunix, here is the cpu info via pastebin: https://pastebin.com/XSzYyWxq
[19:31] <ghostnik11> i just noticed that gunix the power management isn't there? at the final line you will see that. is that in relation to battery or just power management of the cpu?
[19:41] <pennTeller> Hi guys, anybody familiar with ripmime? I am trying to rip a bunch of images from my mailbox file in ubuntu 14.04 but they all seem to be corrupt for some reason.
[20:00] <pavlos> pennTeller: fyi I created an mbox with 2 attachments, then munpack my.mbox and it did extract those 2 attachments.
[20:01] <aron_> Freshly installed and started ubuntu, I can't switch workspaces (or find the workspace icon in the sidebar). Is this normal and how do I get it back?
[20:02] <pennTeller> pavlos, thanks man but how did you create this mbox? I am just running of off mailutils and my emails are located at /var/mail/{user}  If I run "cat /var/mail/user | ripmime -i - -d ~/rippedimages/ --prefix"  images come out corrupt it seems or at least I can't open them or see them from the webserver
[20:02] <aron_> nm found the answer.
[20:02] <oerheks> aron_, go insto system settings > behaviour, 2nd tab: enable workspaces
[20:02] <oerheks> oh
[20:03] <pavlos> pennTeller: I emailed those 2 attachments to another email address, used Thunderbird to get that email, went in .Thunderbird/... and cp the INBOX to my home dir as my.mbox
[20:04] <pennTeller> pavlos, I see.. clever. However I should´ve mentioned I am running an ubuntu 14.04 so I am trying to make or find a CLI way to do this
[20:04] <pavlos> pennTeller: used grep filename INNOX to see the filenames of those (mine are jpg)
[20:04] <pennTeller> server*
[20:05] <pennTeller> I just don't understand the "structure" of mail, box files, mailbox files and all of this.. I wish I could just extract all mime files from a given text file (which my mailbox seems to be)
[20:06] <pavlos> pennTeller: mbox is From ... to another From
[20:07] <pennTeller> pavlos,  I don't understand what you mean by "mbox is From ... to another From" my apologies
[20:10] <pavlos> pennTeller: difficult to draw ... mbox format is 'From:'  Body which include attach 'From:'   body which may not have attach  ...
[20:11] <TudorMan> Hi, I'm having a little trouble with my Xubuntu install
[20:11] <pennTeller> pavlos, I understand now, thank you for that
[20:11] <TudorMan> I have more swap than total memory yet I still do not see the option to suspend, or it is greyed out
[20:11] <pavlos> pennTeller: see the example in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox
[20:11] <insidious> how can i open a port on ubuntu 16?
[20:12] <insidious> i used the ufw command still not working.
[20:13] <pennTeller> pavlos, thank you good info
[20:16] <pavlos> pennTeller: the email address starts with a From:, forwarders start with From +space. If you 'grep From: INBOX' you get a list of sender email addresses
[20:17] <insidious> Can someone help me opening up ports on ubuntu 16
[20:19] <insidious> sudo ufw allow 80/tcp
[20:19] <insidious> does not work
[20:19] <ducasse> insidious: have you set up your firewall rules with ufw, iptables directly or something else?
[20:20] <insidious> i tried ton of commands
[20:20] <insidious> iptablrd
[20:20] <insidious> iptables
[20:20] <insidious> and ufw
[20:20] <insidious> still nothing.
[20:20] <ducasse> insidious: yes, but have you actually configured a firewall at all?
[20:21] <pennTeller> pavlos, thanks for your help man I will read a little on the object and report back in the next hour or so :)
[20:22] <insidious> Any ideas?
[20:22] <insidious> i dont think so.
[20:22] <ducasse> insidious: pastebin output of 'sudo iptables -L'
[20:23] <insidious> https://pastebin.com/juiExJet
[20:23] <insidious> is the paste od iptables -L
[20:23] <insidious> of*
[20:24] <pavlos> insidious: sudo ufw status should list the rules
[20:25] <ducasse> insidious: do 'sudo ufw disable', but you don't have any blocked ports at all - your problem is something else
[20:25] <insidious> what would cause it?
[20:26] <ginseng> i want to send/receive email from my ubuntu 16.04 VPS using the VPS domain, ie. send/receive from admin@mydomain.com. my VPS does not support cpanel. What are my options?
[20:26] <ducasse> insidious: depends what your problem is
[20:27] <insidious> TCP & UDP 4447 4447 98.4.237.6
[20:27] <insidious> in the router
[20:27] <insidious> so i know its not being blocked their.
[20:27] <insidious> there*
[20:28] <ducasse> insidious: you still have not said what you're trying to accomplish
[20:28] <insidious> im trying to allow the port to be open
[20:29] <ducasse> ginseng: start learning how to run a mailserver, but be aware that it is not plug and play - you need to do a lot of reading
[20:29] <ducasse> insidious: it is, as far as ubuntu is concerned
[20:30] <insidious> i cant even telnet to it locally
[20:30] <insidious> from the box
[20:30] <insidious> so i dont see how "ubuntu" claims it to be open.
[20:30] <hggdh> insidious: when you telnet to it, what error do you get?
[20:30] <ducasse> insidious: then nothing is listening
[20:30] <insidious> telnet 127.0.0.1 4459
[20:30] <insidious> Trying 127.0.0.1...
[20:30] <insidious> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[20:31] <ducasse> insidious: what software are you trying to set up?
[20:31] <hggdh> insidious: connection refused is a known error. It means there is no program listening on the specified IP and port
[20:31] <insidious> irc software
[20:31] <ducasse> insidious: ok, then that is misconfigured
[20:31] <hggdh> insidious: this has nothing -- so far -- to do with firewalls
[20:32] <hggdh> wait
[20:32] <insidious> ok
[20:32] <hggdh> why are you telnetting to localhost?
[20:32] <insidious> to see if it was open locally at least?
[20:32] <hggdh> it may, or not. It all depends on what local interfaces it is configured to listen on
[20:33] <hggdh> so if you configured it to listen on an actual interface (as opposed to localhost), if you telnet to localhost it will fail
[20:34] <insidious> is their a way to just open it fully?
[20:34] <ducasse> the port isn't closed by a firewall
[20:34] <insidious> according to port scan it is.
[20:34] <hggdh> insidious: depends on what the program you are using accepts. *Usually* an IP address of 0.0.0.0 means "listen on all local interfaces". YMMV.
[20:35] <insidious> ping.eu says the port is closed.
[20:36] <hggdh> ping is ICMP. Most firewalls block incoming ICMP requests.
[20:36] <ducasse> then nothing is listening. please pay attention.
[20:36] <Mathisen> +1 ducasse
[20:36] <oerheks> port closed on the router...?
[20:37] <insidious> no i opened it
[20:37] <hggdh> perhaps, could be. But, so far, I have not seen evidence there is a real program running and listening on the required port
[20:37] <insidious> and its being fowarded to 98.4.237.6
[20:37] <insidious> i can see on the ps aux the program running.
[20:37] <insidious> and the configured file has the correct port number listed.
[20:37] <tgm4883> wait, it's being forwarded to a public IP address? That sounds like you're doing something wrong
[20:37] <hggdh> insidious: please note I say "running *and* listening"
[20:38] <Mathisen> insidious, sudo netstat -ntlp | grep LISTEN
[20:38] <Mathisen> insidious, pastebin output
[20:39] <insidious> https://pastebin.com/bKwZUmEP
[20:40] <ducasse> nothing on 4459
[20:40] <tgm4883> insidious: yea, it's not running
[20:40] <hggdh> there you go...
[20:40] <Mathisen> exactly
[20:44] <ducasse> insidious: 'closed' and 'blocked' are two very different things
[20:45] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow out 6667:7000/tcp shoould be enough for "irc software"
[20:46] <insidious> oerheks its wraith
[20:47] <insidious> in the pack configure you you have to specifiy a port i did and i see the software ruuning
[20:48] <hggdh> insidious: so you configured something wrong. The port is not in use.
[20:48] <ducasse> ask the people behind the software, because that is what you're having problems with
[20:49] <pennTeller> pavlos, hey man just so you know I think I found the problem. The method I was using was merely ripping the base64 characters and saving them as .jpg though they weren't technically jpegs yet so what I did is run those supposed jpegs through base64 --decode and it works
[20:50] <pavlos> pennTeller: glad you figured out the issue
[20:51] <pavlos> insidious: does http://localhost work (locally)?
[20:51] <pennTeller> pavlos, thanks for your help and patience
[20:51] <insidious> no it does not
[20:51] <pavlos> insidious: well, there is no httpd running on your machine
[20:52] <pavlos> insidious: you could install apache
[20:52] <insidious> pavlos why would i want that? lol
[20:52] <insidious> this is for a wraith bot.
[20:52] <insidious> that uses tcp connection
[20:52] <tgm4883> insidious: what is a wraith bot?
[20:52] <pavlos> insidious: seems I misunderstood ... sry
[20:52] <insidious> is a irc bot.
[20:52] <tgm4883> insidious: why does it need to listen at all?
[20:53] <insidious> you need to be able to telnet to it
[20:53] <insidious> to connect etc
[20:53] <insidious> and communicate with it.
[20:53] <pavlos> pennTeller: yw
[20:53] <tgm4883> insidious: ok, well it's either configured incorrectly for listening, or it's not running at all
[20:54]  * oerheks wonders port  4459???
[21:31] <borivoje> anyone experienced with comiling the mono project?
[21:31] <borivoje> i have a WPS office ODF extension, written in VisualC or Basic
[21:31] <stochastix> What is the point of Sudo, if someone can simply sudo su, and become root ?
[21:32] <borivoje> i get the error that the make command cannot find the mono/metadata/mono-conf.h file.
[21:32] <borivoje> I found the file in /usr/include/mono-2.0/metadata dir
[21:33] <borivoje> how can i tell the compiler to look for the file in that folder.
[21:33] <ducasse> !sudo | stochastix the rationale behind sudo is explained here
[22:01] <LennyKravitz> .
[22:04] <demophobia> Why is my Dell D620 lubuntu 16.04  text display not as clear and beautiful as my 2010 MacBook Pro text display? (e.g. text appears stretched in Firefox here) Is it a combination of older display driver and Apple using proprietary fonts?
[22:24] <Mrokii> hello. I have a problem possibly related to my graphics card (nvidia). For some days now I often get graphical glitches on the screen (no matter if in a virtual console or on the desktop). I looked at dmesg and there are lines like "NVRM: PCI:0000:09:00): 13, Graphical Exception Shader Program 6 Error". The last part is different for the lines.
[22:24] <Mrokii> I wonder if this could be hardware-related or an nvidia-driver-bug.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Anything interesting in : /var/log/gpu-manager.log ? .. Is X happy as reflected in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[22:28] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: I don't see anything alarming/error-like in gpu-manager.log
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: That is a good thing .. and X ?
[22:30] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: I don't see anything problematic in Xorg.0 either
[22:31] <Mrokii> I wonder if I should just try to install another (older) version of the nvidia-drivers, as the problem had only begun to appear maybe about a week or two ago.
[22:32] <MarkB2> In Ubuntu 16.04, right-clicking on the desktop pops up a menu where one item is "Terminal".  I've had to downgrade to 14.04 and "Terminal" is missing in that popup.  How can I add it?
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' . verify the hardware/driver and the state of the driver .
[22:33] <Mrokii> I'll try.
[22:33] <Bashing-om> !paste | Mrokii
[22:35] <vlt> MarkB2: I don’t know. But there’s ctrl+alt+t ;-)
[22:36] <MarkB2> vlt: Yes, I did see that.
[22:40] <demophobia> Is there ubuntu functionality to read selected text out loud?
[22:40] <Mrokii> pastebinit
[22:40] <Mrokii> oops, sorry
[22:42] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: One moment, this may take a while, I'm not getting onto my desktop and I can't seem to get the command into the virtual console where I'm in at the moment. Will try something else.
[22:43] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: :) Code: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log .
[22:44] <demophobia> does lubuntu have text to speech feature?
[22:45] <demophobia> I have found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech
[22:46] <oerheks> demophobia, orca is installed by Default
[22:46] <oerheks> alt + super + S
[22:48] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: code: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia | pastebinit <- like so :)
[22:49] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: xorg gives this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25510686/
[22:50] <demophobia> oerheks: better to use orca than espeak? I just want to listen to webpages or other selected text out loud.
[22:51] <demophobia> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca#Configuration.2BAC8-Use appears abandoned, i.e. sections missing content
[22:51] <oerheks> orca espeak festival, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech
[22:51] <demophobia> with a note of missing content from 6 years ago
[22:52] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: the last command gave me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25510698/
[22:54] <demophobia> oerheks: I shared that link above; espeak seems my best option since my computer uses ALSA i think
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: L' you have installed several drivers, and now have a driver conflict between 367 and 375. run - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' | pastebinit - . We match what the driver "should be " .
[23:01] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: That's http://paste.ubuntu.com/25510760
[23:01] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Dependong on the relese you are tunning - we can take an easy way to install a driver . What release are you running ? // looking at that last .
[23:02] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: 17.04
[23:02] <demophobia> Got espeak working from terminal, thanks.
[23:03] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: I've seen there are drivers with "16.10" or something in it. I assume they should be removed anyway, right?
[23:04] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384 zesty
[23:05] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-367 zesty
[23:08] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Let's do ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . reboot and advise on results ( nvidia recommends the 384 driver . That driver in in our trusted PPA ) . I do expect the 367 version to work fine .
[23:08] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: Okay, I'll try that.
[23:08] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-375 zesty
[23:12] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: It's currently downloading nvidia-384 (takes some time on my sometimes slow connection).
[23:13] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: Should I regularly check for graphics-drivers and deinstall older ones?
[23:14] <tgm4883> Mrokii: no.
[23:14] <Mrokii> tgm4883: Okay. I was just wondering. I've never had a conflict like that before.
[23:15] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: As in no .. we have any clean up to do ? show a new ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[23:16] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: NO onstall from OEM ! even nvidia says " Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package." !!
[23:17] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: I'm not even sure from where I installed all these previously installed versions, tbh. And the last command only showed the 384-version of the driver.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Most likely from our PPA . and that is just fine . try and see what results .
[23:19] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: btw, that's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25510871
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Mighty fine . reboot the box and let's see what you have :)
[23:20] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: Okay, thank you very much for now. :)
[23:23] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: So far, so good. I'm logged in without any graphical glitches, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
[23:30] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: *sigh* I was too optimistic. There have just been more graphical glitches. I'm beginning to wonder if there's a problem with the graphics-card. The glitches are gone now, but they were definitely there.
[23:31] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: The glitches only in one application ?
[23:37] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: The glitches happen all over the screen, not only on the regular desktop, but also on virtual consoles.
[23:37] <jje> Mrokii: you need to check for faulty psu, reseat the card, and remove overclocking (if any). in my experience its either a bad psu or a bad gpu. i would check the psu first.
[23:38] <Mrokii> jje: I have a brand new PSU, so I don't think it's that. And the card seems to be perfectly seated. I hadn't done anything to the card (hardware-wise) before the glitches appeared.
[23:39] <jje> Mrokii: isee ok just a thought
[23:39] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Hard ro say . What you night do is biit up a liveDVD(USB)l install the 384 driver, and see if the glitvhes are present . NO, then issues in the current install .
[23:40] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: I thought installing the drivers with a live-usb wouldn't work. Aren't they enabled on the next boot only?
[23:41] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: Ouch ^^ that is true .
[23:42] <Mrokii> well... I guess if it would be hardware-related, the problem should probably appear with non-nvidia-drivers as well...
[23:43] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: what returns ' ls -al /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ' ?
[23:45] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: There's no xorg.conf in that folder.
[23:46] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: In your case no file is a good thing .
[23:46] <linuxnoob011> woops, got booted without realizing it, so is sort of sent a message and then disappeared lol: <linuxnoob011> hey all (and in particular, Bashing-om) remember me--the guy with the ethernet connection issues from a couple days ago? just wanted to say that the internal ethernet port still does not work, but you all fixed my wifi problem, and in fact, a more general networking problem--my usb ethernet device works with the relevant computer. with this
[23:46] <linuxnoob011> information, my gamble is that the ethernet port is dead or subject to a troublesome module
[23:47] <Bashing-om> linuxnoob011: All we know presently is that you can not talk to the router . we do not know why .
[23:48] <linuxnoob011> but i can over wifi and a usb ethernet card, Bashing-om. any realistic leads for chasing down the issue further on the internal ethernet card?
[23:49] <Bashing-om> linuxnoob011: what results : ping -c3 127.0.0.1 ?
[23:50] <linuxnoob011> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/rghhrtQe
[23:50] <linuxnoob011> destination host unreachable
[23:50] <Mrokii> Bashing-om: I need to go, will have to try out the live-cd tomorrow, unless there are any other things I should look for. Thanks so far, anyway, and bye.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> linuxnoob011: Others opinions here are welcome .. no ping on 127.0.0.1 tells me the card is bad .
[23:52] <Bashing-om> Mrokii: K .. that is a good place to start anew . We be here ,
[23:53] <linuxnoob011> Bashing-om, yeah, i'm beginning to think the internal ethernet card is actually bad. when NO network device worked, it was obvi not hardware. now that everything except one device works, i'm beginning to think hardware, especially given no ping on the loopback device and the range of troubleshooting we tried last time
[23:55] <linuxnoob011> Bashing-om, gonna walk to to the physical machine, make sure the ethernet cable hasn't come unplugged in the various hsuffles and run the ping command on the loopback again
[23:56] <Bashing-om> linuxnoob011: K .. good thought . If local loop does not work nothing else will either :(