[00:24] <ninetls> nice
[00:25] <Unit193> So you should get it soon if you don't have it already.
[18:45] <Unit193> ninetls: https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin/commit/?id=0fcd3fd72ca4c3469549059948978307a7e58186 isn't that a workaround?
[19:05] <ninetls> Unit193: yes, it's a workaround
[19:38] <knome> !team | time for a bit more public feedback loop, see msg below
[19:39] <knome> any thoughts on... https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wall-1710/draft-2.png
[19:39] <knome> ochosi, it's updated since you last saw it, hence the draft bump :P
[19:41] <Unit193> No objections.  Reminds me of Win 10 though.
[19:42] <knome> i haven't seen the win 10 wallpaper, so you can't blame me for plagiarizing ;
[19:42] <knome> ;)
[19:42] <knome> oh, hah
[19:42] <knome> right
[19:42] <knome> well, no worries...
[19:42] <flocculant> No objections from me either. Reminds me of every other one from cycles we've already dealt with though.
[19:42] <flocculant> :P
[19:43] <knome> happy to hear that too :P
[19:43] <knome> i mean, i'm not even trying to do something completely different :P
[19:43] <flocculant> glad to hear it - you'd have failed if you were :D
[19:43] <knome> haha
[19:43] <knome> but obviously i hope you see there *is* a difference ;)
[19:43] <knome> eg. you don't think it's the same wallpaper
[19:44]  * knome thinks about some elliptial circles
[19:44] <knome> i need to open this in a laptop monitor
[19:44] <knome> and see how it looks
[19:44] <knome> and i also should really get myself a new desktop monitor too...
[19:44] <flocculant> lol well yea I can see a difference, the defaults are just not something I would ever actually leave locally 
[19:45] <knome> tbh - me neither mostly
[19:45] <knome> well, in a sense yes though ;)
[19:45] <knome> i used the wily one a loooooong time
[19:45] <flocculant> so basically unless you make one with some really light colour right where system messgaes might show - I'm not going to object :)
[19:46] <flocculant> though that's more plymouth 
[19:46] <knome> before wily i was with the trusty one for a looong time
[19:46] <knome> plymouth has been the main wallpaper with a lot of blur added for a good chunk of time now :)
[19:46] <flocculant> I think the last default I used was the heron on ubuntu
[19:46] <knome> and yeah, don't worry about too bright/light colors getting in
[19:46] <flocculant> yea 
[19:47] <krytarik> knome: Looks smooth - but hard to imagine a mouse in it this time. :(
[19:47] <knome> krytarik, yeah, there isn't one...
[19:47] <knome> unless you try really hard to think that these are the mouses artful whiskers
[19:48] <krytarik> And here I thought maybe upside down.. :P
[19:48] <knome> haha
[19:48] <knome> but there is that sublime version hint
[19:48] <knome> :P
[19:48] <flocculant> knome: next cycle though I will be whining early about community involvement - and getting that done and dusted before beta
[19:48] <flocculant> :)
[19:48] <bluesabre> I see 1920 x 1080 blue and green pixel mice
[19:48] <Unit193> flocculant: Nonono!  I like this much better than cow utters!
[19:48] <knome> we'll be having the community wallpaper contest most likely i think
[19:49] <knome> and yes, that can be set up really early
[19:49] <knome> and i can try to be earlier with my stuff
[19:49] <knome> (hey, at least we're not going past UIF this time!)
[19:49] <flocculant> good - never really understood why we leave that so late tbh
[19:49] <Unit193> *udder
[19:49] <flocculant> not yours - the comm stuff :)
[19:49] <knome> yeah, the first time it was a technical thing
[19:50] <knome> i'm amazed my solution worked though ;)
[19:50] <flocculant> because we made it so - not sure other flavours have some much trouble 
[19:50] <knome> i mean, the second thing
[19:52] <flocculant> knome: thanks :)
[19:52] <knome> no worries
[19:52] <flocculant> night all
[19:52] <knome> poke me/us again at the beginning of the BB cycle
[19:52] <knome> and let's set it up
[19:52] <knome> (we need to talk about policies too, but ugh)
[20:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, not sure if you saw but Corsac said something about doubting xfdashboard will ever get uploaded in Debian. FYI.
[20:41] <ochosi> knome: i like the new glow behind the "mountain" on the right
[20:42] <ninetls> lol
[20:42] <ninetls> pixel mice!
[20:42] <ninetls> this is how xfce looked if it used material design
[22:37] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: i just tagged greybird 3.22.5 - hopefully in time for inclusion in 17.10 (it's mostly a bugfix release though)
[22:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks!
[22:39] <ochosi> np, i guess i need to do the same for elementary-xfce
[22:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: looks like Corsac is the one that maintains that in Debian now
[22:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes please :)
[22:39] <bluesabre> Glad to put you artwork guys to work ;)
[22:40] <ochosi> heh
[22:41] <ochosi> well i'm looking forward to seeing all those niceties coming to pa-plugin
[22:41] <ochosi> latest with 18.04 we should really switch to it
[22:41] <ochosi> it's already beyond indicator-sound
[22:41] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:41] <ochosi> and even though xfce4-notifyd-plugin is not a replacement for indicator-messages, we may still be able to drop that one...
[22:42] <bluesabre> yes, I think that's a possibility
[22:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: there you go: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.9
[22:47] <ochosi> can you pull that into xubuntu-artwork?
[22:47] <ochosi> cause now i really need some sleep...
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure thing
[22:47] <bluesabre> have a good night!
[22:47] <ochosi> perfect, thanks a bunch!
[22:47] <ochosi> nighty-night
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Pardon?
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: greybird-gtk-theme
[23:29] <Unit193> So he is, makes a lot more sense than that last thing I pinged you with.  Don't know why I'd need pinged on that. :D