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[04:43] <valorie> very nice, tsimonq2
[04:43] <tsimonq2> :)
[04:43] <valorie> just got back from working at the cabin and going to the meeting about the fire, and then eating dinner after
[04:43] <tsimonq2> valorie: irt LFNW or KDE 4 removal?
[04:43] <valorie> I feel much better after doing that work
[04:44] <valorie> cool on both
[04:44] <tsimonq2> :D
[04:44] <valorie> I assume you checked the reverse-dependencies?
[04:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: For kdesudo or for all of them?
[04:45] <tsimonq2> Because with kdesudo, yep.
[04:45] <valorie> all of them
[04:46] <valorie> kdesudo is should be gone, asap
[04:46] <valorie> IMO
[04:46] <tsimonq2> Just removed from Debian today
[04:46] <valorie> I saw that
[04:46] <tsimonq2> I want Clive's and Rik's opinion to see if it should be removed along with the KDE 4 stuff next cycle or ASAP
[04:46] <valorie> I mean it should be removed from our packageset
[04:47] <valorie> archive removal, whatever
[04:47] <tsimonq2> valorie: Removed from packageset =/ archive removal :)
[04:47] <tsimonq2> We shouldn't shun it, we should remove it
[04:47] <tsimonq2> It's a liability
[04:48] <tsimonq2> But I'm assuming Debian did an rdep check before asking for removal...
[04:48] <tsimonq2> I'm just tracking packages Debian is removing to make sure it's on our radar to remove in Ubuntu as well.
[04:48] <tsimonq2> Next cycle or the one after we need to do a large KDE 4 removal.
[04:48] <valorie> yes
[04:48] <tsimonq2> I disagree with Santa when he says that it removes lots of functionality.
[04:49] <tsimonq2> There's a *lot* of stuff ported to Frameworks 5/Qt 5
[04:49] <valorie> well, partially ported
[04:49] <tsimonq2> And removing the packages deprecated upstream in Apps 17.12 will be a HUGE help
[04:49] <tsimonq2> valorie: No, a lot is wholly ported
[04:49] <valorie> *some* stuff has been fully ported
[04:49] <tsimonq2> Fair.
[04:49] <valorie> some has been left behind
[04:49] <valorie> and will probably never be ported
[04:50] <tsimonq2> My *personal* goal is to get Qt 4 completely and fully out the door no later than the 18.10 release.
[04:50] <valorie> and the rest -- we should help with the porting if it is important
[04:50] <tsimonq2> A lot of that is going to be work in Debian, which I'm involved in.
[04:50] <tsimonq2> For example I'll be doing a QA upload soon to update to a new upstream version.
[04:50] <tsimonq2> etc. etc. etc.
[04:50] <valorie> nice
[04:50] <valorie> I appreciate that
[04:51] <tsimonq2> valorie: You know what I mean when I say QA upload
[04:51] <valorie> so do you plan to do a full Lub. release of lxqt?
[04:51] <tsimonq2> And yeah, it's going to need to be a large effort in Debian first :)
[04:51] <valorie> right
[04:51] <tsimonq2> Yep, 17.10 will be the first release with Lubuntu and Lubuntu Next
[04:52] <tsimonq2> valorie: (Q about QA upload is a question :P)
[04:52] <valorie> oh, not entirely
[04:52] <valorie> I know what QA *is*
[04:53] <tsimonq2> valorie: So you know how Debian has the concept of maintainers?
[04:53] <valorie> but not exactly what you are planning to upload
[04:53] <valorie> yes
[04:53] <tsimonq2> When a package is in the archive but has no maintainer, that's an orphaned package
[04:53] <valorie> per package, right
[04:53] <tsimonq2> The QA Team is the "maintainer" for orphaned packages
[04:53] <tsimonq2> Everyone can be on the QA Team
[04:53] <valorie> I've read the Policy Manual
[04:54] <tsimonq2> So yeah, I'll be working in Debian to do QA uploads, maybe even Non Maintainer Uploads if necessary, to get all of this ported over
[04:55] <tsimonq2> valorie: Honestly, you'd be surprised how much is being deprecated and how much isn't
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Good chunks of things are going out the window, lots, well, aren't.
[04:56] <valorie> ok, you are talking "porting" in Debian terms
[04:57] <tsimonq2> No
[04:57] <valorie> whereas I was talking in KDE terms
[04:57] <tsimonq2> I'm talking, porting to Qt 5
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Like, I want to get all of the revdeps of Qt 4, which includes lots of KDE, removed or ported
[04:57] <valorie> ok, but it is often necessary to also port away from the kde4libsupport or whatever that is named
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[04:58] <tsimonq2> I'm saying that too
[04:58] <valorie> that's what I mean by fully ported
[04:58] <valorie> that part is fully gone
[04:58] <tsimonq2> Yeahp.
[04:58] <valorie> some games and such will never make the jump unless they gain maintainers who do it
[04:58] <tsimonq2> valorie: kdesudo for example was still KDE 3 but using the compatibility layer that comes with KDE 4 to functio.
[04:58] <tsimonq2> s/functio/function/
[04:58] <valorie> much of the easy stuff has been done
[04:59] <tsimonq2> valorie: Well, that's just what it'll be. If there's enough interest, someone will port it.
[04:59] <valorie> right, which is why we both want it gone
[04:59] <valorie> yep
[04:59] <valorie> I've talked people into becoming maintainers
[04:59] <valorie> it doesn't take much work, for some stuff
[04:59] <tsimonq2> I *might* port some stuff if I find the game entertaining but no promises there
[05:02] <valorie> just be careful not to overextend yourself
[05:02] <tsimonq2> That's why I say no promises :P
[05:02] <valorie> you're in school and that has to be priority ONE
[05:02] <tsimonq2> I've been keeping myself busy
[05:03] <valorie> cool
[05:03] <tsimonq2> Retaking Geometry this year, this new teacher is a bit more lax about homework, that's exactly what I need.
[05:03] <tsimonq2> Otherwise I'm managing my time better this year/
[05:04] <valorie> good to hear
[05:04] <valorie> sounds like boring old "maturity" is sneaking up on ya
[05:05] <tsimonq2> Meh, I slept all day today so I might be pulling the all nighter :P
[05:06] <valorie> oh good lord dude
[05:06] <tsimonq2> One thing I got a lot better at over the summer is going longer without sleep and a functioning brain
[05:06] <valorie> make it a half-nighter at least!
[05:06] <valorie> no, you are killing brain cells
[05:07] <valorie> sleep is not for the weak, it is necessary to stay healthy
[05:07] <tsimonq2> *shrug* I don't do it too often so I think I'll be fine.
[05:07] <valorie> ok
[05:07] <valorie> well, enjoy it while ya can
[05:07] <valorie> I used to be able to do it and just can't function without sleep anymore
[05:07] <tsimonq2> This endless grind... I can't wait until I have more free time for what I love doing
[05:07] <valorie> getting old sucks sometimes
[05:07] <valorie> lol
[05:08] <tsimonq2> Meh, it is what it is, people change over time
[05:08] <valorie> there is always a grind
[05:08] <tsimonq2> Sometimes the grind is more enjoyable than other times
[05:08] <valorie> you have to focus on doing what you love and just make the rest so routine that you hardly notice it
[05:08] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[05:08] <valorie> I used to hate yardwork
[05:09] <valorie> now I love to just help the plants grow
[05:09] <tsimonq2> You? Hate yardwork? :O
[05:09] <valorie> different mindset
[05:09] <tsimonq2> You love to keep your garden up afair!
[05:09] <valorie> I love the plants, not the work
[05:09] <tsimonq2> It's pretty cool looking too :3
[05:09] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[05:09] <valorie> but the work is necessary
[05:09] <tsimonq2> Sure
[05:09] <valorie> so rather than crabbing internally about it, I just get on with it
[05:10] <tsimonq2> mhm
[05:10] <valorie> yes, it's the work of 40+ years
[05:10] <tsimonq2> :D
[05:11] <tsimonq2> I have a few bits of misc homework I need to get done but I mostly want to get that out of the way so I can get some Ubuntu/Debian stuff done tonight
[05:11] <tsimonq2> I'm enjoying school a bit more this year so far
[05:11] <valorie> good!
[05:11] <tsimonq2> While yes it's 8 hours of grind, I'm more interested in the topics
[05:12] <valorie> people will be happy tomorrow because
[05:12] <valorie> y'all beat our Seahawks
[05:12] <tsimonq2> oh lolll
[05:12] <tsimonq2> What was the score?
[05:12] <tsimonq2> I didn't even pay attention to that... :P
[05:12] <valorie> uh, like 17 / 8 or so?
[05:12] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[05:13] <valorie> we were working and not listening
[05:13] <tsimonq2> ic
[05:13] <valorie> not that I really care, but my one son does
[05:13] <tsimonq2> Thomas?
[05:13] <valorie> no, Paul
[05:13] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[05:13] <tsimonq2> If it was Thomas you should have told him I'm in GB :P
[05:13] <valorie> and the guy who runs our fav. restaurant is a cheesehead
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Oh that's right, you told me about that
[05:14] <valorie> so he'll be crowing on Wed.
[05:14] <valorie> lol
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Is that the diner you took me to Friday morning at LFNW or is that not your fav one? :P
[05:14] <tsimonq2> lol
[05:14] <valorie> morning?
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Yeah it was barely morning :P
[05:15] <tsimonq2> Almost afternoon!
[05:15] <valorie> I'm not remembering
[05:15] <tsimonq2> We had pancakes and I watched you drink your creamer with a hint of coffee :P
[05:15] <tsimonq2> You took your husband and I to a thing in Seattiel
[05:15] <valorie> oh, no, Mike doesn't serve breakfast
[05:15] <tsimonq2> s/Seattiel/Seattle/
[05:15] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[05:15] <tsimonq2> :P
[05:15] <tsimonq2> valorie: But you at least remember that right?
[05:16] <valorie> that was some chain!
[05:16] <valorie> like Denny's or something
[05:16] <valorie> it was .....
[05:16] <tsimonq2> No?
[05:16] <valorie> yes, I do
[05:16] <tsimonq2> Or was it?
[05:16] <valorie> now
[05:16] <valorie> it had breakfast
[05:16] <tsimonq2> Like I said, I remember you had your creamer with a hint of coffee :P
[05:16] <valorie> the local place would have been memorable
[05:16] <valorie> lol
[05:17] <valorie> I usually have milk
[05:17] <tsimonq2> Oh
[05:17] <tsimonq2> Well same difference?
[05:17]  * tsimonq2 runs
[05:17] <valorie> anyway, do your homework!!!
[05:17] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I prolly should :P
[05:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: Have a good night
[05:17] <valorie> niters
 http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2017/09/quick-look-at-kubuntu-artful-pre-release.html
 you ok?
 I'm alive just have no power
 Have to move around to get phone service
[19:31] <valorie> wow, that's a lovely review
[19:31] <valorie> who tweets and toots for the Kubuntu account?
[19:31] <valorie> I'd like RT that
[19:32] <valorie> how are you, ahoneybun?
 I'm fine, no power or internet but ehh
[20:38] <clivejo> could be weeks before they get that all sorted out
 It could
 I don't think our power pole is that bad tho
[20:48] <valorie> well, they fix stuff in order of how many people it will help
[20:48] <valorie> which is why we were without power for over a week one time
[20:49] <valorie> now that we have gas, at least one can always take a hot shower
[22:00] <clivejo> yeah, I'd love to know how RichardF does the maps on http://cycle.travel/map?from=51.941425,-0.917313&suggest=1
[22:00] <clivejo> ah fiddle sticks
[22:01] <clivejo> Closing the poll
[22:02] <clivejo> hummm
[22:03] <clivejo> a tie
[22:04] <clivejo> what happens in the case of a tie?
[22:07] <acheronuk> shoot out?
[22:07] <clivejo> only fair way
[22:07] <acheronuk> paper scissors rock?
[22:08] <clivejo> LOL I dunno
[22:08] <acheronuk> valorie: hellllllllllllllllllllllllp?
[22:10] <acheronuk> I didn't think cvs would allow a tie. maybe I misread
[22:10] <clivejo> I didn't either :/
[22:11] <clivejo> but no matter what rule I use, same results
[22:12] <clivejo> if we had one more voter, would have settled it
[22:13] <acheronuk> does the community council ours is delegated from have a policy?
[22:15] <acheronuk> which placing is the tie on?
[22:15] <clivejo> 3rd seat
[22:16] <acheronuk> damn!
 I didn't vote as I had my name in
[22:16] <valorie> I've never heard of a tie!
[22:16] <valorie> wth ahoneybun, why not?
[22:16] <valorie> there were others running
[22:16] <valorie> and a lower vote count does not look good
[22:16] <valorie> looks like people don't care
[22:16] <wxl> i voted
[22:17] <clivejo> 19 votes out of 41
[22:17] <valorie> we want people to step up, nominate themselves and of course vote for themselves if they think they are the best person for the job
 Who's in 4?
[22:17] <wxl> there's no 4
[22:17] <wxl> there's 3 and 3
[22:17] <clivejo> aaron can you send me your vote?
[22:18]  * wxl points at the definition of a tie
 I didn't vote lol
[22:18] <wxl> he's asking you too
[22:19] <clivejo> well if I take your word for that, and you send me how you would of voted
[22:19] <wxl> (maybe the hurricane affected his mind?) XD
[22:19] <clivejo> might be able to break the tie
[22:20] <valorie> as the person running the vote, you have the right to break the tie I would think
[22:20] <valorie> and asking Aaron for his vote seems reasonable to me
[22:20] <acheronuk> clivejo: did you not vote?
[22:20] <clivejo> I did
[22:20] <valorie> good
[22:21] <valorie> I hope everyone voted
[22:21] <acheronuk> oh, thought you said you would not as you were running the poll.
[22:21] <acheronuk> ^^^ that made no sense to me
[22:21] <clivejo> I couldn't run for election
 Well internet kinda does not work great right now
[22:21] <clivejo> Telegram me
[22:22] <clivejo> PM
[22:22] <clivejo> just your list of 1,2,3,4 you would have voted
[22:23] <acheronuk> this is nail biting!
 I emailed but it's not sent yet
[22:23]  * clivejo plays suspense building music
[22:24]  * acheronuk wonders if the Russians hacked the vote
 Trying to send it now clivejo
[22:25] <clivejo> ok got it
[22:26] <valorie> \o/
[22:26] <acheronuk> *** drum roll ***
[22:26] <clivejo> so with that vote counted the results are 1) Rik Mills 2) Aaron Honeycutt 3) Rick Timmis
[22:26] <valorie> cool
[22:26] <wxl> congrats everywhere!
[22:26] <acheronuk> O_O
[22:27] <valorie> acheronuk: <3
[22:27] <wxl> acheronuk: now now, don't be modest.
[22:28] <acheronuk> don't know what to say, except thanks any where who voted like that!
[22:28] <acheronuk> + I'll try to live up to that
[22:28] <acheronuk> *thanks any one
[22:28] <acheronuk> to all actually, that was clearly close
 XD Rik
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/qISVCped/file_3219.jpg
[22:30] <acheronuk> congrats Aaron on another term :) and Rick on a great result for a great guy
[22:30] <clivejo> valorie: can you do the honors
[22:30] <clivejo> bring the KC back up to full numbers
[22:30] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: sooooo close. that says a lot as well.
[22:31] <valorie> can I do what honors?
[22:31] <valorie> you need to announce the results on all the lists
[22:31] <clivejo> add the 3 names to KC team
[22:31] <valorie> oh certainly
[22:32] <valorie> sorry, I just looked at the updated fire map and it looks like it hopped over the highway towards our cabin
[22:32] <valorie> but the announcements don't say anything
 Probably post it
[22:32] <valorie> yikes, Rick's name is spelled incorrectly, isn't it?
[22:33] <valorie> it's Timmis?
[22:33] <clivejo> yes, my fault
[22:33] <valorie> or Timmus
[22:33] <clivejo> Timmis
[22:33] <acheronuk> lol. yes, we realised as soon as the ballots went out
[22:34] <acheronuk> the Rik vs Rick was the right way around though :P
[22:34] <clivejo> yeah thanks ahoneybun!
[22:34] <clivejo> pointing it out, after I sent the ballots!
[22:37] <valorie> done
 I told you lol
[22:37] <clivejo> yeah AFTER!
 I did not proof read it
[22:38] <clivejo> tisk
[22:38] <clivejo> tuts
[22:39] <valorie> clivejo: I don't see the results in my email yet?
[22:40] <valorie> congratulations to all the winners by the way
[22:40] <valorie> sorry tsimonq2
[22:40] <clivejo> hold your horses speed goz allie
[22:40] <acheronuk> valorie: are not all KC meant to be admins on the team?
[22:40] <valorie> lol
[22:40] <valorie> oh, I didn't do that, duh
[22:40] <acheronuk> no probs
[22:42] <valorie> done
[22:42] <valorie> separate step done in another dialog
[22:42] <acheronuk> LP doesn't make it easy
[22:43] <valorie> you can tell it was coded long ago
[22:43] <valorie> oh well
[22:43] <valorie> it's what we've got and it usually works
[22:44] <valorie> who has the keys to the kubuntu twitter/mastodon?
[22:45] <valorie> this should be tweeted:  http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2017/09/quick-look-at-kubuntu-artful-pre-release.html
[22:45] <acheronuk> I think Aaron, Ovi and maybe mparrilo?
[22:45] <valorie> and I guess I should write a news story for the website
[22:45] <valorie> want to reply to the email first
[22:45] <valorie> then once we have a story on teh site, tweet that
[22:46] <acheronuk> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/907338871096184833
[22:46] <valorie> aha, the site is done
[22:46] <valorie> cool
[22:47] <acheronuk> so looks like someone tweeted that review
[22:48] <valorie> probably Mparillo
[22:53] <acheronuk> Wish I could have seen clive's face when he saw a tie :P
[22:54] <clivejo> was like "oh feck"
[22:54] <clivejo> why did I volunteer to do this!
[22:55] <valorie> hehe
[23:01] <acheronuk> anything else I need to do?
[23:07]  * acheronuk hands clive a large JD to calm his nerves
[23:08]  * clivejo shaking so bad the ice is rattling like crazy
[23:17] <valorie> can someone check this before I publish?
[23:17] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3383&action=edit
[23:17] <valorie> thank you so much for running the election, Clive
[23:20] <acheronuk> seems ok to me
[23:20] <acheronuk> and yes, thank you clive :)
[23:24] <valorie> ok, added one more sentence
[23:25] <valorie> I think I got all the typos out, but please check?
[23:27] <acheronuk> seems slightly odd to name/thank clive as running the election, then refer to him as 'the kubuntu member'?
[23:28] <acheronuk> with the new sentence there that is.
[23:28] <valorie> oops
[23:28] <valorie> thanks
[23:31] <valorie> better?
[23:32] <clivejo> I have such a banging headache tonight
[23:32] <valorie> oh gosh, why am I asking you, it's like 2am where you are, isn't ?
[23:32] <valorie> for both of you
[23:32] <valorie> clivejo: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[23:32] <clivejo> 12:32am
[23:32] <valorie> ok, not terrible
[23:32] <clivejo> just a nasty day
[23:32] <valorie> :(
[23:33] <acheronuk> We thank Simon for running and making this a race, Clay and Ovidiu-Florin for their service on the Council, and Kubuntu Member Clive Johnston for stepping up and running this election.
[23:34] <acheronuk> See the official announcement from Clive on our mailing lists
[23:34] <clivejo> you don't have to put my name in there
[23:34] <acheronuk> we do
[23:34] <valorie> did you change it, acheronuk?
[23:34] <valorie> I think your way is better
[23:34] <acheronuk> no, that was a suggestion
[23:34] <valorie> OK, I'll fix
[23:34] <acheronuk> did not want to fight for edit rights
[23:35] <clivejo> go on, fight!
[23:36] <acheronuk> all good then. or as much as my sleepy eyes can tell
[23:36] <clivejo> I'll put money on valorie
[23:36] <acheronuk> so would I!
[23:36] <valorie> lol
[23:37] <valorie> better than that recent billion-dollar fight or whatever
[23:37] <valorie> ok, will publish
[23:37] <acheronuk> :)
[23:37] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-council-election-results-announced/ -- weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[23:37] <valorie> thank you all
[23:38] <valorie> someone please tweet it
[23:38] <valorie> officially
[23:39] <acheronuk> clive is missing his 't' in johnston?
[23:39] <acheronuk> or is that right?
[23:39] <valorie> damn it, I copy/pasted from his email
[23:39] <valorie> grrrr
[23:39] <acheronuk> LOL
[23:40] <valorie> the *first* time
[23:40] <valorie> sheesh
[23:40] <valorie> editing is a bear
[23:40] <acheronuk> it is
[23:40] <valorie> fixx0red
[23:41] <valorie> gotta get out and water before it gets any later
[23:42] <acheronuk> ok. thanks. I better get some sleep
[23:42] <acheronuk> night all
[23:43] <valorie> thank you again, acheronuk
[23:43] <valorie> sleep well