[00:20] @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=875107 [02:11] https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/qt4/ [04:43] very nice, tsimonq2 [04:43] :) [04:43] just got back from working at the cabin and going to the meeting about the fire, and then eating dinner after [04:43] valorie: irt LFNW or KDE 4 removal? [04:43] I feel much better after doing that work [04:44] cool on both [04:44] :D [04:44] I assume you checked the reverse-dependencies? [04:45] valorie: For kdesudo or for all of them? [04:45] Because with kdesudo, yep. [04:45] all of them [04:46] kdesudo is should be gone, asap [04:46] IMO [04:46] Just removed from Debian today [04:46] I saw that [04:46] I want Clive's and Rik's opinion to see if it should be removed along with the KDE 4 stuff next cycle or ASAP [04:46] I mean it should be removed from our packageset [04:47] archive removal, whatever [04:47] valorie: Removed from packageset =/ archive removal :) [04:47] We shouldn't shun it, we should remove it [04:47] It's a liability [04:48] But I'm assuming Debian did an rdep check before asking for removal... [04:48] I'm just tracking packages Debian is removing to make sure it's on our radar to remove in Ubuntu as well. [04:48] Next cycle or the one after we need to do a large KDE 4 removal. [04:48] yes [04:48] I disagree with Santa when he says that it removes lots of functionality. [04:49] There's a *lot* of stuff ported to Frameworks 5/Qt 5 [04:49] well, partially ported [04:49] And removing the packages deprecated upstream in Apps 17.12 will be a HUGE help [04:49] valorie: No, a lot is wholly ported [04:49] *some* stuff has been fully ported [04:49] Fair. [04:49] some has been left behind [04:49] and will probably never be ported [04:50] My *personal* goal is to get Qt 4 completely and fully out the door no later than the 18.10 release. [04:50] and the rest -- we should help with the porting if it is important [04:50] A lot of that is going to be work in Debian, which I'm involved in. [04:50] For example I'll be doing a QA upload soon to update to a new upstream version. [04:50] etc. etc. etc. [04:50] nice [04:50] I appreciate that [04:51] valorie: You know what I mean when I say QA upload [04:51] so do you plan to do a full Lub. release of lxqt? [04:51] And yeah, it's going to need to be a large effort in Debian first :) [04:51] right [04:51] Yep, 17.10 will be the first release with Lubuntu and Lubuntu Next [04:52] valorie: (Q about QA upload is a question :P) [04:52] oh, not entirely [04:52] I know what QA *is* [04:53] valorie: So you know how Debian has the concept of maintainers? [04:53] but not exactly what you are planning to upload [04:53] yes [04:53] When a package is in the archive but has no maintainer, that's an orphaned package [04:53] per package, right [04:53] The QA Team is the "maintainer" for orphaned packages [04:53] Everyone can be on the QA Team [04:53] I've read the Policy Manual [04:54] So yeah, I'll be working in Debian to do QA uploads, maybe even Non Maintainer Uploads if necessary, to get all of this ported over [04:55] valorie: Honestly, you'd be surprised how much is being deprecated and how much isn't [04:55] Good chunks of things are going out the window, lots, well, aren't. [04:56] ok, you are talking "porting" in Debian terms [04:57] No [04:57] whereas I was talking in KDE terms [04:57] I'm talking, porting to Qt 5 [04:57] Like, I want to get all of the revdeps of Qt 4, which includes lots of KDE, removed or ported [04:57] ok, but it is often necessary to also port away from the kde4libsupport or whatever that is named [04:57] Yeah [04:58] I'm saying that too [04:58] that's what I mean by fully ported [04:58] that part is fully gone [04:58] Yeahp. [04:58] some games and such will never make the jump unless they gain maintainers who do it [04:58] valorie: kdesudo for example was still KDE 3 but using the compatibility layer that comes with KDE 4 to functio. [04:58] s/functio/function/ [04:58] much of the easy stuff has been done [04:59] valorie: Well, that's just what it'll be. If there's enough interest, someone will port it. [04:59] right, which is why we both want it gone [04:59] yep [04:59] I've talked people into becoming maintainers [04:59] it doesn't take much work, for some stuff [04:59] I *might* port some stuff if I find the game entertaining but no promises there [05:02] just be careful not to overextend yourself [05:02] That's why I say no promises :P [05:02] you're in school and that has to be priority ONE [05:02] I've been keeping myself busy [05:03] cool [05:03] Retaking Geometry this year, this new teacher is a bit more lax about homework, that's exactly what I need. [05:03] Otherwise I'm managing my time better this year/ [05:04] good to hear [05:04] sounds like boring old "maturity" is sneaking up on ya [05:05] Meh, I slept all day today so I might be pulling the all nighter :P [05:06] oh good lord dude [05:06] One thing I got a lot better at over the summer is going longer without sleep and a functioning brain [05:06] make it a half-nighter at least! [05:06] no, you are killing brain cells [05:07] sleep is not for the weak, it is necessary to stay healthy [05:07] *shrug* I don't do it too often so I think I'll be fine. [05:07] ok [05:07] well, enjoy it while ya can [05:07] I used to be able to do it and just can't function without sleep anymore [05:07] This endless grind... I can't wait until I have more free time for what I love doing [05:07] getting old sucks sometimes [05:07] lol [05:08] Meh, it is what it is, people change over time [05:08] there is always a grind [05:08] Sometimes the grind is more enjoyable than other times [05:08] you have to focus on doing what you love and just make the rest so routine that you hardly notice it [05:08] Yeah [05:08] I used to hate yardwork [05:09] now I love to just help the plants grow [05:09] You? Hate yardwork? :O [05:09] different mindset [05:09] You love to keep your garden up afair! [05:09] I love the plants, not the work [05:09] It's pretty cool looking too :3 [05:09] Ah ok [05:09] but the work is necessary [05:09] Sure [05:09] so rather than crabbing internally about it, I just get on with it [05:10] mhm [05:10] yes, it's the work of 40+ years [05:10] :D [05:11] I have a few bits of misc homework I need to get done but I mostly want to get that out of the way so I can get some Ubuntu/Debian stuff done tonight [05:11] I'm enjoying school a bit more this year so far [05:11] good! [05:11] While yes it's 8 hours of grind, I'm more interested in the topics [05:12] people will be happy tomorrow because [05:12] y'all beat our Seahawks [05:12] oh lolll [05:12] What was the score? [05:12] I didn't even pay attention to that... :P [05:12] uh, like 17 / 8 or so? [05:12] Ah ok [05:13] we were working and not listening [05:13] ic [05:13] not that I really care, but my one son does [05:13] Thomas? [05:13] no, Paul [05:13] Ah ok [05:13] If it was Thomas you should have told him I'm in GB :P [05:13] and the guy who runs our fav. restaurant is a cheesehead [05:14] Oh that's right, you told me about that [05:14] so he'll be crowing on Wed. [05:14] lol [05:14] Is that the diner you took me to Friday morning at LFNW or is that not your fav one? :P [05:14] lol [05:14] morning? [05:14] Yeah it was barely morning :P [05:15] Almost afternoon! [05:15] I'm not remembering [05:15] We had pancakes and I watched you drink your creamer with a hint of coffee :P [05:15] You took your husband and I to a thing in Seattiel [05:15] oh, no, Mike doesn't serve breakfast [05:15] s/Seattiel/Seattle/ [05:15] Ah ok [05:15] :P [05:15] valorie: But you at least remember that right? [05:16] that was some chain! [05:16] like Denny's or something [05:16] it was ..... [05:16] No? [05:16] yes, I do [05:16] Or was it? [05:16] now [05:16] it had breakfast [05:16] Like I said, I remember you had your creamer with a hint of coffee :P [05:16] the local place would have been memorable [05:16] lol [05:17] I usually have milk [05:17] Oh [05:17] Well same difference? [05:17] * tsimonq2 runs [05:17] anyway, do your homework!!! [05:17] Yeah, I prolly should :P [05:17] valorie: Have a good night [05:17] niters [07:14] http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2017/09/quick-look-at-kubuntu-artful-pre-release.html [12:06] * acheronuk pokes @ahoneybun [12:06] you ok? [17:31] I'm alive just have no power [17:31] Have to move around to get phone service [19:31] wow, that's a lovely review [19:31] who tweets and toots for the Kubuntu account? [19:31] I'd like RT that [19:32] how are you, ahoneybun? [20:37] I'm fine, no power or internet but ehh [20:38] could be weeks before they get that all sorted out [20:47] It could [20:47] I don't think our power pole is that bad tho [20:48] well, they fix stuff in order of how many people it will help [20:48] which is why we were without power for over a week one time [20:49] now that we have gas, at least one can always take a hot shower [22:00] yeah, I'd love to know how RichardF does the maps on http://cycle.travel/map?from=51.941425,-0.917313&suggest=1 [22:00] ah fiddle sticks [22:01] Closing the poll [22:02] hummm [22:03] a tie [22:04] what happens in the case of a tie? [22:07] shoot out? [22:07] only fair way [22:07] paper scissors rock? [22:08] LOL I dunno [22:08] valorie: hellllllllllllllllllllllllp? [22:10] I didn't think cvs would allow a tie. maybe I misread [22:10] I didn't either :/ [22:11] but no matter what rule I use, same results [22:12] if we had one more voter, would have settled it [22:13] does the community council ours is delegated from have a policy? [22:15] which placing is the tie on? [22:15] 3rd seat [22:16] damn! [22:16] I didn't vote as I had my name in [22:16] I've never heard of a tie! [22:16] wth ahoneybun, why not? [22:16] there were others running [22:16] and a lower vote count does not look good [22:16] looks like people don't care [22:16] i voted [22:17] 19 votes out of 41 [22:17] we want people to step up, nominate themselves and of course vote for themselves if they think they are the best person for the job [22:17] Who's in 4? [22:17] there's no 4 [22:17] there's 3 and 3 [22:17] aaron can you send me your vote? [22:18] * wxl points at the definition of a tie [22:18] I didn't vote lol [22:18] he's asking you too [22:19] well if I take your word for that, and you send me how you would of voted [22:19] (maybe the hurricane affected his mind?) XD [22:19] might be able to break the tie [22:20] as the person running the vote, you have the right to break the tie I would think [22:20] and asking Aaron for his vote seems reasonable to me [22:20] clivejo: did you not vote? [22:20] I did [22:20] good [22:21] I hope everyone voted [22:21] oh, thought you said you would not as you were running the poll. [22:21] ^^^ that made no sense to me [22:21] I couldn't run for election [22:21] Well internet kinda does not work great right now [22:21] Telegram me [22:22] PM [22:22] just your list of 1,2,3,4 you would have voted [22:23] this is nail biting! [22:23] I emailed but it's not sent yet [22:23] * clivejo plays suspense building music [22:24] * acheronuk wonders if the Russians hacked the vote [22:24] Trying to send it now clivejo [22:25] ok got it [22:26] \o/ [22:26] *** drum roll *** [22:26] so with that vote counted the results are 1) Rik Mills 2) Aaron Honeycutt 3) Rick Timmis [22:26] cool [22:26] congrats everywhere! [22:26] O_O [22:27] acheronuk: <3 [22:27] acheronuk: now now, don't be modest. [22:28] don't know what to say, except thanks any where who voted like that! [22:28] + I'll try to live up to that [22:28] *thanks any one [22:28] to all actually, that was clearly close [22:29] XD Rik [22:29] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/qISVCped/file_3219.jpg [22:30] congrats Aaron on another term :) and Rick on a great result for a great guy [22:30] valorie: can you do the honors [22:30] bring the KC back up to full numbers [22:30] tsimonq2: sooooo close. that says a lot as well. [22:31] can I do what honors? [22:31] you need to announce the results on all the lists [22:31] add the 3 names to KC team [22:31] oh certainly [22:32] sorry, I just looked at the updated fire map and it looks like it hopped over the highway towards our cabin [22:32] but the announcements don't say anything [22:32] Probably post it [22:32] yikes, Rick's name is spelled incorrectly, isn't it? [22:33] it's Timmis? [22:33] yes, my fault [22:33] or Timmus [22:33] Timmis [22:33] lol. yes, we realised as soon as the ballots went out [22:34] the Rik vs Rick was the right way around though :P [22:34] yeah thanks ahoneybun! [22:34] pointing it out, after I sent the ballots! [22:37] done [22:37] I told you lol [22:37] yeah AFTER! [22:38] I did not proof read it [22:38] tisk [22:38] tuts [22:39] clivejo: I don't see the results in my email yet? [22:40] congratulations to all the winners by the way [22:40] sorry tsimonq2 [22:40] hold your horses speed goz allie [22:40] valorie: are not all KC meant to be admins on the team? [22:40] lol [22:40] oh, I didn't do that, duh [22:40] no probs [22:42] done [22:42] separate step done in another dialog [22:42] LP doesn't make it easy [22:43] you can tell it was coded long ago [22:43] oh well [22:43] it's what we've got and it usually works [22:44] who has the keys to the kubuntu twitter/mastodon? [22:45] this should be tweeted: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2017/09/quick-look-at-kubuntu-artful-pre-release.html [22:45] I think Aaron, Ovi and maybe mparrilo? [22:45] and I guess I should write a news story for the website [22:45] want to reply to the email first [22:45] then once we have a story on teh site, tweet that [22:46] https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/907338871096184833 [22:46] aha, the site is done [22:46] cool [22:47] so looks like someone tweeted that review [22:48] probably Mparillo [22:53] Wish I could have seen clive's face when he saw a tie :P [22:54] was like "oh feck" [22:54] why did I volunteer to do this! [22:55] hehe [23:01] anything else I need to do? [23:07] * acheronuk hands clive a large JD to calm his nerves [23:08] * clivejo shaking so bad the ice is rattling like crazy [23:17] can someone check this before I publish? [23:17] https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3383&action=edit [23:17] thank you so much for running the election, Clive [23:20] seems ok to me [23:20] and yes, thank you clive :) [23:24] ok, added one more sentence [23:25] I think I got all the typos out, but please check? [23:27] seems slightly odd to name/thank clive as running the election, then refer to him as 'the kubuntu member'? [23:28] with the new sentence there that is. [23:28] oops [23:28] thanks [23:31] better? [23:32] I have such a banging headache tonight [23:32] oh gosh, why am I asking you, it's like 2am where you are, isn't ? [23:32] for both of you [23:32] clivejo: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} [23:32] 12:32am [23:32] ok, not terrible [23:32] just a nasty day [23:32] :( [23:33] We thank Simon for running and making this a race, Clay and Ovidiu-Florin for their service on the Council, and Kubuntu Member Clive Johnston for stepping up and running this election. [23:34] See the official announcement from Clive on our mailing lists [23:34] you don't have to put my name in there [23:34] we do [23:34] did you change it, acheronuk? [23:34] I think your way is better [23:34] no, that was a suggestion [23:34] OK, I'll fix [23:34] did not want to fight for edit rights [23:35] go on, fight! [23:36] all good then. or as much as my sleepy eyes can tell [23:36] I'll put money on valorie [23:36] so would I! [23:36] lol [23:37] better than that recent billion-dollar fight or whatever [23:37] ok, will publish [23:37] :) [23:37] https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-council-election-results-announced/ -- weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! [23:37] thank you all [23:38] someone please tweet it [23:38] officially [23:39] clive is missing his 't' in johnston? [23:39] or is that right? [23:39] damn it, I copy/pasted from his email [23:39] grrrr [23:39] LOL [23:40] the *first* time [23:40] sheesh [23:40] editing is a bear [23:40] it is [23:40] fixx0red [23:41] gotta get out and water before it gets any later [23:42] ok. thanks. I better get some sleep [23:42] night all [23:43] thank you again, acheronuk [23:43] sleep well