[06:46] <ducasse> AndrzejL: aiui gnome has dropped support for tray icons, or it's coming soon. could be related to that. steam probably uses an indicator instead.
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> indicators will come to right upper corner indeed instead of tray applet at left down corner
[07:02] <ducasse> don't you now need an extension for the tray icons?
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the extension will be vanilla installed, canonical forked one
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> indicators + dash to dock are installed by default
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> i got both enabled, but didnt see indicators yet
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> perhaps still worked on?
[07:04] <ducasse> dunno, i just read about it a while back.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> i can manage them with gnome-tweak-tool on/off
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> knotify..something
[07:08]  * ducasse nods
[15:06] <nacc> ducasse: interesting, thanks for that info!
[15:09] <ducasse> nacc: np, i'll try to test a few electron snaps myself on both 17.04 and 17.10 to check when i find the time. should i just try the ones that have been mentioned so far?
[15:10] <nacc> ducasse: that's probably easiest
[15:10] <ducasse> ok, will do - hopefully tomorrow.
[17:07] <sary> Is there 17.10 desktop iso image other than the daily build?
[17:11] <oerheks> Not that i know of, for desktop.
[17:24] <ducasse> sary: there's the beta image afaik
[17:26] <AndrzejL> ducasse: 
[17:27] <AndrzejL> So you reckon they will fix the tray icons?
[17:27] <AndrzejL> Or did they get rid of them?
[17:28] <ducasse> AndrzejL: read what lotus said following me, he knows gnome better as i don't use it myself
[17:29] <AndrzejL> Ah yes
[17:30] <AndrzejL> I am a fresh meat to gnome myself
[17:30] <sary> ducasse: I searched the web for the beta1 image and the alpha's , but didn't find any.
[17:30] <AndrzejL> KDE / plasma is my desktop of choice but I like the Ubuntu Gnome and want to give it a spin before installing plasma
[17:31] <AndrzejL> Altho recently I find myself being bored with Plasma.. maybe its time for change...
[17:34] <sary> someone is experiencing freezes with the daily build image on an actual install and the live session with a 7th Gen. Intel i5 + Intel 620 GPU.
[17:37] <flocculant> sary: if you're talking about ubuntu - then nothing other than dailies for that
[17:43] <sary> flocculant: Hiya, Yes Ubuntu, not the flavors! Noted, Thanks.
[17:43] <oerheks> sary,  someone = you ?
[17:45] <sary> oerheks: not me, someone else #See https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2370990
[17:46] <oerheks> oke, so it does not affect you?
[17:47] <sary> No, am flyin' xubuntu for awhile with no such issue.
[17:47] <flocculant> sary: \o/
[18:59] <nettlejam> Question about the tomcat8 package... Debian Stable ('stretch') has version 8.5.14, but Artful still only includes 8.0.38. I haven't gone digging but I'm assuming that since versino 8.5 is in Debian stable, it's been available for a fairly long time. Is there a reason Ubuntu will still ship an older version?
[19:01] <brainwash> the ubuntu tomcat package carries additional patches, there it will not be auto synced with debian
[19:02] <brainwash> therefore I mean
[19:04] <brainwash> nettlejam: I suggest opening a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8
[19:06] <nettlejam> brainwash - thanks, i'll do that
[19:06] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[19:07] <brainwash> the first paragraph explains how it works
[19:15] <nettlejam> Well, filed - hope i did it right :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8/+bug/1716471
[19:17] <brainwash> I think adding the correct Tags will help
[19:18] <brainwash> "upgrade-software-version"
[19:19] <nettlejam> ah, thanks
[19:20] <nettlejam> sorry - not familiar with the process
[19:21] <brainwash> so, the bad news is that it's too late in the dev cycle to upgrade the version
[19:23] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[19:24] <nettlejam> Do you think this will at least raise the issue so that it may be included in the 18.04 release?
[19:24] <brainwash> of course
[19:25] <nettlejam> That works for me then :)
[19:25] <nettlejam> Thanks for the help
[19:26] <brainwash> you're welcome