 @VikingRedwolf, no worries
 (Sticker, 420x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_625.webp
 so dramatic 😂
[19:15] <wxl> oooh this might be good for future t-shirts https://aptgetshirt.com/
[19:15] <wxl> i advise we get a lubuntu/lxqt something going on for whenever we do finally release
 Me too
 I designed tees long time ago
[19:16] <wxl> yes dear
 We should sell it
[19:17] <wxl> yes
[19:17] <wxl> we should really get the foundation going on
 Aye
[19:18] <wxl> simon is impatient (whoa, surprise!) but i need to really get some legal help to make it happen
 @wxl, Please
[19:24] <wxl> in the meanwhile, anyone can set up a patreon/liberapay for themselves and then donate that money to lubuntu when it comes into existence
[19:25] <wxl> or we can jump the gun and just go make one for lubuntu, but i think that will enter us into a legal mire that has consequences that could be really bad. under previous leaders, really, really, bad.
[19:26] <wxl> i doubt julien wants to just jump into it and i don't either. i bet you rafael feels the same way
[19:26] <wxl> so just relax
[19:29] <JulienLavergnegi> Well it's not worth the risk, it's not like we need money to maintain the project
[19:30] <wxl> it could certainly be made to be useful
[19:30] <wxl> especially wrt marketing, etc.
[19:30] <wxl> i do think that having a foundational representation legally would be beneficial to the project over all.
[19:32] <Redwolf[m]> We tried that before
[19:32] <wxl> it didn't fail because it didn't/wouldn't work
[19:32] <Redwolf[m]> It's indeed beneficial for the project, but I agree with Julien. we don't really need it
[19:33] <wxl> it failed because we didn't have all the right people
[19:33] <wxl> which actually strikes me as all the more reason to make sure that the project stands on its own regardless of who's the crew of the ship
[19:33] <Redwolf[m]> That's why it failed :)
[19:34] <wxl> so i see the value in the foundation
[19:34] <wxl> and i also see that the money could be beneficial, which will be made possible by the foundation
[19:35] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how is Ubuntu MATE using the money they take in? what about other Ubuntu flavours?
[19:35] <Redwolf[m]> I looked forward the Elementary project and his fundraising project worked fine
[19:35] <wxl> what was the money used for?
[19:36] <wxl> and maybe more relevant: what do YOU want to use the money for, @tsimonq2 ?
[19:36] <Redwolf[m]> server stuff mainly
[19:36] <Redwolf[m]> they post a monthly report with the donations
[19:36] <Redwolf[m]> BEER!
[19:36] <Redwolf[m]> .___.
[19:37] <wxl> i mean, is it unreasonable to pay ourselves for work accomplished??? i don't know. didn't really question it too much.
[19:38] <Redwolf[m]> I think we shouldn't get paid. it's normal to want a bit of attention, resources, and credit. but turning it into business would degradate the project. my though
[19:38] <Redwolf[m]> *thought
[19:39] <Redwolf[m]> getting a new computer / server, buying DNS, premium accounts anywhere (mail, VPN, etc)... I see that pretty normal
 @wxl, Ubuntu MATE uses the money to fund developer time and features. Like, Ubuntu MATE has funded me to get SRUs in, package new things, etc. But we could also pay people to fix specific bugs for us.
 Additionally, we could use it to fund upstream development
[19:43] <Redwolf[m]> like I can't pay for travelling to London's Ubuntu meetings
[19:43] <Redwolf[m]> or last Congress in Berlin,. I wish I was there to represent our distro
 Exactly. We could fund Rafael to go meet Evan D'andrea
 XD
[19:43] <Redwolf[m]> YES! :D
[19:44] <Redwolf[m]> I have a couple questions for him :)
 wxl: So that sort of thing
 wxl: Look at it like this. Depending on how much traction it gets, it could fund a lot of things. Maybe it could even fund a full time developer. But I'd also be happy enough if it funds simple things like sending everyone a few bucks for their effort every so often.
[19:55] <Redwolf[m]> huh? ChanServ invited me to talk
[19:57] <JulienLavergnegi> I don't say is useless :-) I would love to do a Lubuntu summit :-) But it's not critical for the survival of the distro
 @JulienLavergnegi, Agreed
 @Redwolf[m], please
 @tsimonq2, 😘
 @ShiBonCip, huh?
 @VikingRedwolf, They're asking you to talk
 what's that? another bridge?
[20:11] <wxl> so it's not essential to collect money, but i agree it would be a good addition
[20:12] <wxl> and i do think that paying people to help is potentially useful
 And different people keep asking me about it
 Because they want to donate
 Yes. Me too.
[20:19] <wxl> well they might want us to endorse a product, too, but does that mean we should do it? i'm not trying to say this is a bad idea but we should all be clear about our intentions
 @wxl, I don't see why not
 I want to accept donations to give contributions an incentive and to give existing work a reward
 Let me know if you decide to do it, and I'll create a page