[05:18] <jibel> morning
[05:44] <didrocks> good morning
[05:58] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[05:58] <didrocks> ça va jibel ?
[06:03] <jibel> didrocks, ça va bien et toi?
[06:04]  * jibel reboots
[06:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:13] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, fyi, the unity-menubar.patch is still disabled in ff56 beta packages
[06:20] <didrocks> jibel: très bien ;)
[06:20] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:20] <Gargoyle> Anyone around that know about the audio stuff?
[07:21] <colinl> Gargoyle: hi! depends on the question?
[07:23] <Gargoyle> Hi colinl, I've got some crackling on recording from new headset (analog, using on-board sound). Headset is good, crystal clear on windows, and my USB one works fine too. So I am thinking its a driver issue.
[07:23] <Gargoyle> Running 17.10, and onboard sound is realtek
[07:24] <Gargoyle> Tried a few of the work-arounds I've seen online relating to alsa and "position fix", but doesn't seem to help.
[07:25] <colinl> on every app ?
[07:27] <Gargoyle> Deffo on Zoom.us conferencing because colleagues are telling me it crackling, and using arecord because that's what I am testing with.
[07:28] <Gargoyle> Some system info:- https://paste.ubuntu.com/25519568/
[07:28] <colinl> did you try "tsched=0" parameter on module-udev-detect? as in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Glitches.2C_skips_or_crackling
[07:29] <Gargoyle> Yep.
[07:30] <colinl> Gargoyle: I don't have a lot of expertise on the subject sadly, that was my only idea :)
[07:30] <Gargoyle> My understanding was that "arecord" talks direct to ALSA, so if I get the crackle there it's happening before it even gets to pulseaudio anyway?
[07:30] <Gargoyle> ah. OK. Thanks anyway.
[07:31] <colinl> you're welcome
[07:31] <Gargoyle> I'm just wondering if it should be using a realtek driver and not the intel one?
[07:34] <Gargoyle> brb, reboot
[07:59] <willcooke> morning
[07:59] <Gargoyle> hi
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:04] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:05] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:05] <Laney> whats up
[08:05] <willcooke> Sun's out again#
[08:06] <Laney> (guns out)
[08:06] <Laney> sure is
[08:06] <Laney> gales later though
[08:06] <Laney> at least according to Today
[08:07] <Laney> jibel: I just got your bug
[08:07] <didrocks> good morning willcooke, Laney
[08:08] <Laney> didrocks!
[08:08] <Laney> are you good?
[08:09] <didrocks> I'm great thanks! Sun is here, it's not too warm, blue sky…
[08:09] <Laney> :3
[08:10] <Laney> I cycled up some big hills yesterday going to collect something my sister had ordered online
[08:10] <Laney> poor legssssss
[08:13] <didrocks> were there so big?
[08:13] <didrocks> they*
[08:15] <Laney> not like ventoux or anything
[08:15] <Laney> but big enough for me :P
[08:16] <didrocks> heh, better to have good brakes for the way back :p
[08:17] <Laney> yeah that's the fun part
[08:17] <Laney> except the best road to take has speed bumps :(
[08:19] <didrocks> oh "nice"
[08:19] <didrocks> can be funny, if you are aventurous :p
[08:21] <Laney> they aren't the friendly shape for bikes sadly
[08:21] <Laney> some you can roll over but these ones are more angular or something
[08:21] <Laney> you'd fall off or break the bike
[08:21] <didrocks> oh right, like pyramid style if you cut it near the base and keep the lowever part?
[08:22] <colinl> :D
[08:23] <Laney> I think there might be a little upstand between the bump and the road
[08:23] <colinl> you can go round most speedbumps in France, just aim for the little space between the speed bump and the sidewalk (but avoid pedaling in the sidewalk ;) )
[08:23] <Laney> they *look* round
[08:23] <Laney> but sure aren't
[08:23] <Laney> heh yeah you can do some of those here (not these ones)
[08:24] <Laney> pedal strike!
[08:24] <didrocks> colinl: talking from experience on pedaling on the sidewalk, don't you? :)
[08:24] <colinl> didrocks: happened to me once as a kid, yeah - lesson learned ;)
[09:09] <Gargoyle> I think I am narrowing this down a bit. Seems the underlying chip/codec is ALC1220 which was added in kernel 4.11. But I cannot see an entry in ALSA-Configuration.txt as indicated by this article:- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[09:12] <pitti> hey guys
[09:13] <pitti> no seb128 today? wanted to say "happy bday"..
[09:16] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:16] <Laney> he's sensibly taking his birthday off
[09:16] <willcooke> gah, can anyone remember the package name for mobile data provider info?
[09:16] <pitti> indeed ;) I used telegram
[09:16] <Laney> mbpi
[09:16] <Laney> mobile-broadband-provider-info
[09:16] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[09:17] <pitti> curious, to me MBPI was the Myer-Briggs Personality Index
[09:17] <Laney> isn't that MBTI?
[09:17] <Laney> that's what that is to me anyway :P
[09:18] <pitti> oh right, Type Indicator
[09:18] <pitti> so many TLAs, err, FLAs :)
[09:18] <Laney> I was supposed to go to some assessment thing for that but it was during Debconf
[09:18] <Laney> so I have no idea what I am!
[09:19] <pitti> I did some assessment center training ages ago, and an MBTI a bit more recently
[09:19] <willcooke> I did one ages ago and they said "It's not possible to get the questions wrong, just be truthful..." etc
[09:19] <willcooke> when I got the result I was smack in the middle of all of them, so they made me retake it
[09:19] <willcooke> because I'd managed to get it wrong some how
[09:20] <Laney> :D
[09:24] <Laney> jbicha: congrats on DMBhood
[09:24] <Laney> (condolences)
[09:28] <sil2100> It's not *that* bad!
[09:29] <Laney> :P
[09:30] <jibel> willcooke, gnome-software in xenial-proposed introduced bug 1716633, I'm marking the verification as failed until Robert looks at it.
[09:30] <jibel> this new crash is in the same plugin so potentially a regression
[09:37] <Laney> #4  0x00007fee4feaaf24 in end_sync (data=0x7fee4ea48810, data=0x7fee4ea48810) at snapd-client.c:2446
[09:38] <Laney> #5  0x00007fee4feaaf24 in snapd_client_list_one_sync (client=0x3bd0c89930 [SnapdClient], name=name@entry=0x7fee400e6280 "rockscissorspaperlizardspock-snap", cancellable=cancellable@entry=0x3bd0dc4960 [GCancellable], error=error@entry=0x0) at snapd-client.c:2959
[09:38] <Laney> this is what's happening in mine when it's spinning the cpu
[09:38] <Laney> ;-)
[09:46] <jibel> Laney, can you comment on bug 1716579
[09:46] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[09:47] <Laney> jibel: refresh!
[09:47] <jibel> thanks
[10:37] <duflu> Hmm, I might actually need to fix GTK too
[10:37] <duflu> But instead, dinner.
[10:37] <duflu> Later
[12:23]  * Laney has DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu
[12:24] <didrocks> and not what you expected or confirmation that your fixes/investigation works?
[13:40] <willcooke> Humm, how do I change the colour scheme in gedit now?
[13:46] <willcooke> Also - will we get colour emoji support with 3.26 or does that require extra bits?
[13:51] <didrocks> willcooke: gedit appmenu icon -> preferences
[13:52] <didrocks> then "font and colors" (or whatever this is in en ;))
[13:52] <willcooke> ahhhh, thanks.  It's up there
[13:52] <willcooke> These menus are confusing IMO, but hey ho
[13:52] <didrocks> yeah, appmenu vs menu in CSD…
[13:53] <willcooke> I'm sure I'll get used to it
[14:01] <didrocks> jbicha: if you plan to update g-c-c to 3.26, please cherry-pick follow up commits in master. Don't get mine has we have an equivalent (but more complex) old patch already
[14:01] <didrocks> but we want the decoration fix for some people who insists on having the buttons on the left IMHO
[14:11] <jbicha> didrocks: are you saying: don't cherry-pick your OnlyShowIn commit?
[14:11] <didrocks> jbicha: yeah, it's already in (but more extended) in one of the other patch we have
[14:12] <didrocks> jbicha: I think we'll revisit what to do with this patch to accept external panels in 18.04
[14:12] <jbicha> we only have 1 external panel in artful right?
[14:29] <didrocks> +} all_launchers[] = {
[14:29] <didrocks> +  {"gufw"},
[14:29] <didrocks> +  {"language-selector"},
[14:29] <didrocks> +  {"software-properties-gtk"},
[14:29] <didrocks> +  {"system-config-printer"},
[14:29] <didrocks> +};
[14:29] <didrocks> so…
[14:29] <didrocks> gufw is a thing of the past
[14:30] <didrocks> actually, I don't see any of them since g-c-c 3.25.x
[14:30] <didrocks> was that intended?
[14:38] <jbicha> language-selector shows up in the new shell if I add X-GNOME-PersonalizationSettings; to its .desktop but it looks pretty bad
[14:39] <jbicha> I'd prefer we drop that part of the patch. If something wants to be in g-c-c it should look like it belongs (like deja-dup used to do)
[14:39] <didrocks> indeed, but you can't install packages from the other panel
[14:40] <didrocks> so I don't think exiting it out for now is an option
[14:45] <jbicha> ok, maybe, but can we drop the other 3 from that list?
[14:47] <didrocks> gufw, for sure
[14:47] <didrocks> I don't know about software-properties if it's the right place TBH
[14:47] <didrocks> did you discuss about the panel to choose from with Till about system-config-printer?
[14:49] <didrocks> as update-manager has its "parameter" button to open software-properties, I would say not including it is fine
[14:50] <jbicha> the Software app also links to "Software & Updates" in its app menu
[14:50] <didrocks> good enough to me then
[14:50] <didrocks> so, yeah, check s-c-p with Till
[14:50] <jbicha> I haven't talked to Till about printers except what we've discussed on the u-desktop list
[14:51] <didrocks> yeah, maybe recheck? I think no decisions were taken?
[14:51] <didrocks> but language selector seems needed still
[14:52] <jbicha> if we're going to do that l-selector workaround, maybe a button in GNOME's Region & Language panel would at least look a little nicer
[14:52] <didrocks> agreed
[15:30] <willcooke> Hello friends, and thanks for tuning in
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2017-09-12
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 12 15:30:35 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <oSoMoN> 👽/
[15:30] <jbicha> o/
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu, jbicha, jamesh, jibel/heber (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128 (hols), tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <didrocks> hey o/
[15:31] <willcooke> I /think/ that's about right, lots of people out today
[15:31] <andyrock> o/
[15:31] <kenvandine> o/
[15:31] <heber> o/
[15:32] <willcooke> Gah, I was playing with mouse senstivity and acceleration, and now it's awful
[15:32] <willcooke> anyway, let's press on so I can fix this :)
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> # Fix issue with nautilus icon position on first start
[15:33] <andyrock> # Working on implmenting progress and urgent api in dash-to-dock
[15:33] <andyrock> # Fix for the missing-lockscreen-entry pushed in a ppa (I asked the guy that can experience it to test it)
[15:33] <willcooke> andyrock, what's the missing lock screen entry?
[15:33] <andyrock> I'm looking for the bug
[15:34] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1311316
[15:34] <andyrock> there are a lot of people still complaining
[15:34] <willcooke> oh, ok
[15:34] <willcooke> different to what I was thinking of
[15:34] <andyrock> yeah the other one is on my list
[15:34] <willcooke> will you still have a chance to look at the "screen appears for a second when resuming from suspend" ^H^H^H^H^H  thanks
[15:34] <willcooke> :)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> again, sadly, nothing strictly desktop this week, kindda desktop-related: testing of a fix to bug #1699179
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:35] <didrocks> * Rebase (mostly a rewrite for the backend part as monitor handling changed completely) our Dock panel (thanks seb for bootstrapping the code for having its own panel) for GNOME Control Center 3.26. Net benefit is that the new own Dock structure makes way more sense. Wrote about it on https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/08/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-10/ (a followup upload yesterday since the blog post
[15:35] <didrocks> screenshots makes the UI refined + label changes in case you didn't notice)
[15:35] <didrocks> * Worked and communicated with Dash to Dock upstream on their dynamic transparency feature (that we will need once GNOME Shell have transparent dynamic panel if they keep it). Very nice interaction with this upstream!
[15:35] <didrocks> * Interacted with system76 about the display manager selection. Sponsor their patch, add a vanilla upstream GDM option as well and wrote about it in https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/08/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-10/.
[15:35] <didrocks> * Investigate having super key pressed showing up the Dock (in hide mode). Currently, it's set to Super + q. This is more complicated than anticipated and will require heavy patching of mutter in the key handling itself. Right now, don't do anything with it, we can either wait for 17.10 feedbacks or do it as a bug fix later this month if really desired.
[15:36] <didrocks> * Provided feedback and corrections to the GNOME community documentation asking me about details on our transition and joined to the meeting with Ken.
[15:36] <didrocks> * A lot of communications (sometimes unsolicited ;)) with the ubuntu forums (en) community about the extensions vs GNOME Shell mods debates. Same on comments on my blog posts, social networks and french forum.
[15:36] <didrocks> .
[15:36] <willcooke> Good stuff, thanks didrocks
[15:36] <willcooke> Nice to see the community passionate
[15:36] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[15:36] <willcooke> Great work on the blog posts, it's a really useful and interesting way to reflect on the changes we've made
[15:36] <kenvandine> +1
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic duflu
[15:37] <willcooke> * Totem performance:
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Spent enough time learning clutter-gtk to be able to prototype alternative fixes that retain the CPU-halving without simply deleting a large chunk of code.
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Still stuck on the smoothness/latency regression in gnome-maps that that all of my experimental approaches cause.
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Tracked down the smoothness problem (I think) to just the default platform: CLUTTER_BACKEND=gdk. Generally if you change it to CLUTTER_BACKEND=wayland or x11 then the problem seems solved.
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Now trying to figure out if the problem really is in clutter's bespoke frame clock (which only exists for CLUTTER_BACKEND=gdk), or if this is a general oversight in GDK's wl_subsurface support where multiple Wayland surfaces share a single frame clock. Or a general problem in clutter... I'm still hopeful to learn things that will help with shell performance later.
[15:37] <willcooke> * PulseAudio:
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Finally 11.0 was released upstream: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/11.0/
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Sounds great but I suggest we remain cautious and wait till 18.04 to get it in now. It would be difficult for 11.0 to generate fewer bug reports than we get for 10.0 now. And easy for 11.0 to generate more bug reports.
[15:37] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell:
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Briefly helping didrocks with a font rendering problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1714459
[15:37] <willcooke>   - I'd like to get to fixing that myself if nobody else does.
[15:37] <willcooke> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio and mir.
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Noteworthy top shell crashes:
[15:37] <willcooke>     . Regression in 3.25: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1714330
[15:37] <willcooke>     . And still the same: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1505409
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[15:38] <jbicha> • Survived Irma 🌀
[15:38] <jbicha> • Sponsored LP: #1090671
[15:38] <jbicha> • Fixed LP: #1712104 with distro enablement patch but translations are being done in GNOME
[15:38] <jbicha> • Started updating GNOME packages to 3.26.0
[15:38] <jbicha> • Elected to Ubuntu Developer Membership Board
[15:38] <jbicha> eof
[15:39] <kenvandine> jbicha, congrats!
[15:39] <didrocks> congrats jbicha!
[15:39] <willcooke> congrats on a) not being 10 feet under water and b) UDMB!
[15:39] <oSoMoN> congrats jbicha
[15:39] <jbicha> thanks I think :)
[15:39] <willcooke> :)
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic heber
[15:39] <heber> Hey! QA updates:
[15:39] <heber> * KPI: errors.u.c: http://platform-qa-dashboard.canonical.com/dashboard/db/ubuntu-desktop-kpi
[15:39] <heber> 		- Calculating running average instead of raw count of errors and instances
[15:39] <heber> 		- New indicators:
[15:39] <heber> 				# Crashes first seen in the development release
[15:39] <heber> 				# Crashes first seen in a previous release and still unfixed in the development release
[15:39] <heber> 				# Number of crash instances per release
[15:39] <heber> * Reviewed ubiquity 17.10.6
[15:39] <heber> * Daily triaging and QA infra maintenance
[15:39] <heber> * Submitted merge proposal with core apps tests
[15:39] <heber> * Fix desktop testsflinger random issue when downloading artifacts.
[15:39] <heber> * Fix grafana integration result parser for skipped tests values.
[15:39] <heber> EOF
[15:39] <heber> for jibel and myself
[15:40] <willcooke> sweet! Nice work on the KPIs thanks
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Working with folks from GNOME engagement team to create some docs to help users transition from Unity to GNOME.
[15:40] <kenvandine> * New snap for gnome-logs, ran into a systemd compat issue and filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1715719
[15:40] <kenvandine>   - I've built libsystemd0 into the snap for now and it's working fine on 16.04 and 17.10
[15:40] <kenvandine> * New snap for gnome-characters in the edge channel
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Requested publisher changes for latest batch of snaps.
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Debugged an app matching issue.  Snap installs a renamed desktop file in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications, something like gnome-logs_gnome-logs.desktop.  The shell expects the application name to match the desktop file name in order to properly display the appmenu.  So with the mismatch, we get a broken icon and missing application name in the menu.  Same for alt-tab.  I've submitted post to the forum for thoughts on the
[15:40] <kenvandine> issue https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/desktop-file-names/2096
[15:40] <kenvandine> * Working on the gnome platform snap rename requested in the auto-connection forum post.
[15:40] <kenvandine> eof
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:41] <Laney> hi
[15:41] <Laney> • Much time investigating & finally fixing GDM bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787304
[15:41] <Laney> • autopkgtest
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ Re-deployed autopkgtest armhf to get some fresh non messed up workers
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ Tracked lgw01 cloud maintenance, took down affected workers
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ wrote some scripts to clean up duplicate entries in the queues, one of which (30,000 entries per arch!) was caused by...
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ fixed a bug in proposed-migration where it crashed half way through and didn't write out its list of requested tests, causing the next run to request the same things again
[15:41] <Laney> • Fixed ubiquity wrt. console-setup https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1715605
[15:41] <Laney> • Made some things migrate out of artful-proposed
[15:41] <Laney> • Did some upstream reviews of a few patches, hopefully that was helpful
[15:41] <Laney> • A few FFe reviews
[15:41] <Laney> 🗺️
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Laney, great news on the GDM session issue
[15:42] <didrocks> you got the GDM bug fixed?
[15:42] <didrocks> nice :)
[15:42] <Laney> dunno
[15:42] <Laney> at least one bug, but nobody was particularly clear on what the problem was
[15:42] <Laney> so there might be more
[15:43]  * willcooke keeps an eye out
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:43] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Make the pdftopdf filter flattening interactive PDF forms by calling an external utility (pdftocairo, ghostscript) before further processing to not loose the filled in data on the printout. This was a long-standing problem (reported more than a year ago).
[15:43] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Received several patches to improve Braille embossing
[15:43] <willcooke> - Ghostscript: Fixes on rendering filled-in PDF forms.
[15:43] <willcooke> - GSoC 2017: Orientation of students on further work.
[15:43] <willcooke> - Bugs
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:43] <willcooke> Are you here Trevinho or shall I paste?  In 5... 4...
[15:43] <willcooke> 3
[15:44] <willcooke> 2
[15:44] <Trevinho> Yes
[15:44] <willcooke> ha
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Mutter:
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - Fixed computing resource scale in some containers
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - Support ClutterCanvas with 0 < scale < 1
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - Fixed painting of effect offscreen textures (used by scroll fading)
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - Optimize the text code, avoiding unneeded computations
[15:45] <Trevinho> · gnome-shell:
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - Fixed introspection code
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - Paint proper scaled shadow for text
[15:45] <Trevinho>   - St theme node CSS drawing with resource scaling in the works
[15:45] <Trevinho> (basically done, needs cleanup)
[15:45] <Trevinho> · We should probably discuss if we can backport some of these changes,
[15:45] <Trevinho> since they will still be protected under a gsettings key
[15:45] <Trevinho> 🔚
[15:45] <willcooke> Nice work on mutter
[15:45] <willcooke> Do you know what will make it for 3.26?
[15:45] <willcooke> (ooh, I missed oSoMoN - I'll come back to you)
[15:46] <oSoMoN> no worries
[15:46] <kenvandine> Trevinho, you might have opinions on the snap desktop file matching issue, lets chat after the meeting
[15:47] <willcooke> Trevinho, I'll follow up re Mutter after the meeting
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
[15:47] <oSoMoN> hey
[15:47] <oSoMoN> • was AFK on holidays last week
[15:47] <oSoMoN> • chromium 61.0.3163.79 got promoted to stable channel while I was away, currently building in PPA, will test and have it published this week if everything goes well
[15:47] <oSoMoN> • chromium dev channel updated to 62.0.3202.9, looking into build failures
[15:47] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice 5.4.1 is blocked in artful-proposed, gotta look into autopkgtest failures on i386 and s390x
[15:47] <oSoMoN> • looking into bug #1713742 and bug #1714520 to produce a working libreoffice 5.4.1 snap
[15:47] <oSoMoN> • gotta dive again in chromium snap not HW-accelerated on nvidia
[15:47] <oSoMoN> EOF 🌴
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN, welcome back
[15:47] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:48] <willcooke> - Diagnosing gnome-software performance / stability issues
[15:48] <willcooke> - Working on snapd-glib channels support
[15:48] <willcooke> - Worked on Fedora build issues with snapd-glib
[15:48] <willcooke> - Landed glib API to support parsing timestamps (code that will be able to be dropped from snapd-glib in the future).
[15:48] <willcooke> - simple-scan 3.26.0 release
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic aob
[15:48] <willcooke> DId I miss anyone?
[15:48] <willcooke> In the meantime, the Rally..
[15:48]  * kenvandine is getting excited!
[15:48] <willcooke> Thursday is final beta, so I've provisionally blocked out Wednesday and reserved us a room for final fixing
[15:49] <willcooke> and prolly some of Thursday
[15:49] <willcooke> So that leaves Mon & Tues to go and speak to people and for us to do our roadmap planning for 18.04
[15:49] <willcooke> I'll like to kick off Monday morning with an extended team kick off meeting
[15:49] <willcooke> So for the rally please can you:
[15:50] <willcooke>  * Think of things you need to speak to people about and add them to a list  (there is a Trello card I've been using, but feel free to make your own list/card)
[15:50] <willcooke> https://trello.com/c/DOfwERLI
[15:51] <willcooke>  * Tag any bugs that need fixing for beta with rls-aa-incoming
[15:51] <willcooke>  * Reach out to people you want to speak to to try and arrange a suitable tme
[15:51] <willcooke> *time
[15:51] <willcooke> i.e. probably not Wednesday
[15:52] <willcooke> but ya know, I'm sure there will be time on Weds too
[15:52] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else to talk about?
[15:52] <willcooke> Going once...
[15:52]  * didrocks doesn't
[15:52] <willcooke> twice
[15:53] <willcooke> thrice
[15:53] <Trevinho> The fractional thing
[15:53] <willcooke> go!
[15:53] <Trevinho> I have the code almost done, there will be a review soon hopefully
[15:53] <Trevinho> So, it could be nice to carry the changes as distro patch
[15:54] <Trevinho> They need a gsettings key to be on anyway, so we can safely use it only for testing
[15:54] <willcooke> What's the teams view on if this is a bug or a feature?
[15:54] <willcooke> Laney? ^
[15:54] <Trevinho> There's an abi change in mutter though... While the shell has just fixes depending on it
[15:55] <Trevinho> In theory the core changes of mutter are alredy there
[15:55] <Trevinho> But the clutter part is the new
[15:55] <willcooke> perhaps the rally is the right place to chat about this some more, but also might be too late?
[15:55] <Trevinho> Clutter-mutter
[15:55] <didrocks> (re really: afraid is getting quite late)
[15:56] <didrocks> I think earlier would be best, but can't qualify depending on the amount of code if it's a feature/bug fix, Laney would :)
[15:56] <willcooke> oki, something for after the meeting anyway
[15:56] <willcooke> let's wrap and carry on if needed
[15:56] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 12 15:56:47 2017 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-09-12-15.30.moin.txt
[15:56] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:56] <Trevinho> Ok...
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:57] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:57] <Laney> sounds risky to me
[15:57] <Laney> if you break the abi... can't be completely isolated behind a flag can it
[15:58] <Trevinho> Well the risk is very light in terms of possibly regressions as nothing changes in the normal codepath
[15:59] <Trevinho> But, yes... We need to try rebuild dependent things
[15:59] <Trevinho> I was proposing in order to get something earlier to test for the LTS
[16:00] <Trevinho> But I'm not in rush. It was just to be able to test it earlier
[16:00] <kenvandine> it would be nice to have
[16:01] <didrocks> especially as we promoted it as something we worked on
[16:01] <kenvandine> yup
[16:01] <Trevinho> Yeah... I could have pushed mutter changes earlier, but I wasn't sure if that was my final design
[16:02] <Laney> doesn't mean we have to deliver unreviewed, risky stuff after the freeze
[16:02] <Laney> it's there for a reason
[16:02] <kenvandine> Laney, great job playing devil's advocate :)
[16:02] <kenvandine> question is what's the risk
[16:03] <Trevinho> So, we can push something earlier for testing, and it's not enabled by default but for tester
[16:03] <Trevinho> Laney: sure... I want a review first top
[16:03] <Trevinho> Too
[16:04] <flocculant> willcooke: do you know something I don't? "Thursday is final beta" ... or were you talking about Thursday in a fortnight?
[16:05]  * flocculant hopes so ...
[16:05] <Laney> thursday of the ubuntu rally
[16:05] <flocculant> oh right - got a bit scared then :)
[16:05] <Laney> GOOD!
[16:05] <Laney> fear is a great motivator
[16:05]  * Laney whips flocculant 
[16:06] <kenvandine> :)
[16:07] <flocculant> :)
[16:10] <kenvandine> Trevinho, thoughts on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/desktop-file-names/2096 ?
[16:12] <Laney> that Im is rendered weird
[16:13] <Trevinho> kenvandine: ouch... Back to bamf days...
[16:14] <kenvandine> Trevinho, indeed :)
[16:14] <Trevinho> Mhmh weird that it doesn't use the app id...
[16:15] <kenvandine> Trevinho, https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/ApplicationBased
[16:15] <kenvandine> Trevinho, says the desktop file has to match the app name
[16:17] <Trevinho> Eh.. Yes. In fact it has always been a prerequisite and expected to be like that. I wrote this concern in the past already... It's even true that using subfolders would fix it
[16:17] <kenvandine> Trevinho, can you please comment on the forum post with your thoughts?
[16:18] <Trevinho> Since the desktop ID should be subsub-folder-gapp for subsub/folder/gapp.desktop
[16:18] <kenvandine> subfolders probably wouldn't work
[16:18] <kenvandine> it would need to be in XDG_DATA_DIRS right?
[16:18] <Trevinho> Nope
[16:18] <Trevinho> Only the root path
[16:18] <kenvandine> then maybe it could be fixed in snapd then :)
[16:19] <Trevinho> Yeah, I guess it's the best way
[16:19] <Trevinho> Considering that subfolders can be used for managing namespace too
[16:19] <kenvandine> yeah, sounds like a good solution
[16:20] <Trevinho> I can also check this later how it works, but the standard should be this
[16:20] <kenvandine> we really need this fixed for 17.10
[16:22] <Trevinho> Agree. It might be also possible to fix the ones we have already on upgrade. But let me do some tests.
[16:22] <Trevinho> BRB
[16:22] <kenvandine> Trevinho, thx
[17:02] <Laney> nightytytyt
[17:12] <willcooke> night Laney
[18:12]  * kenvandine hears the laptop fan spinning up... must be gnome-software again
[18:26] <willcooke> right ho, night all.
[18:26] <willcooke> Going to try and dig one more hole for the new fence before it gets dark
[18:26] <willcooke> o/