[07:13] <Gargoyle> Mornin all
[07:31] <diplo> Morning
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:38] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[08:48] <MooDoo> howdy all
[08:57] <SuperMatt> I've only gone and installed arch on my main box :/
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> calmy reach for the os/2 installation box and hit yourself on the head with it... :-P
[09:10] <MooDoo> :)
[09:11] <popey> morning
[09:12] <MooDoo> howdy popey , how are you this fine day?
[09:12] <popey> Super
[09:12] <MooDoo> good good
[09:12] <popey> Glad to be home
[09:14] <MooDoo> holiday or sprint somewhere?
[09:14] <popey> UbuCon Paris
[09:14] <popey> :)
[09:14] <MooDoo> nice
[09:35] <foobarry> just had a recaptcha that wanted a german  ß symbol
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> wait till it goes full unicode emojii...
[09:41] <MooDoo> I saw somewhere the other day that had a chess game as a captcha )
[09:42] <foobarry> knight to c4
[09:42] <MooDoo> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/03/12/chess-captcha/
[09:42] <MooDoo> foobarry: yeah that's pretty much it lol
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> but what if the person has never played chess....
[09:59] <MooDoo> Well as long as they refer to prawns and horseys then i'll be fine.
[10:34] <diplo> popey: x220 - would you still recommend for a child to use ?
[10:34] <popey> my kids use my x220
[10:34] <popey> it's starting to get a bit long in the tooth for some things
[10:34] <popey> e.g. minecraft & roblox
[10:34] <diplo> Ah great, found one for a price I can afford on ebay
[10:35] <diplo> Mainly for school, but they do play those games, has ssd/8gb ram
[10:35] <popey> same spec as mine
[10:35] <diplo> Core i5 ?
[10:35] <popey> i7
[10:35] <diplo> Oh shit :D
[10:36] <diplo> oops
[10:36] <diplo> £184.99, sound reasonable for that spec ?
[10:43] <popey> i have seen x230 for 150 in cex
[10:44] <popey> https://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SLAPLENX23006B
[10:44] <popey> i would certainly consider x230/240 if possible
[10:45] <diplo> I keep forgetting about CEX, never used one
[10:45] <MooDoo> might be interesting for the kids at home if they are also available around here
[11:02] <popey> there's a few cex round here. i often pop in to look at laptops to get a feel for what's available. there are often thinkpads in there alongside expensive macs and crappy other laptops
[11:02] <MooDoo> looking at the map there are 3 in nottingham
[11:42]  * Laney stabs virgin media
[11:42] <Laney> "your bill will be going up" nastygram
[11:42] <MooDoo> Laney: I did that last year and went to sky lol
[11:51] <Laney> :/
[12:00] <diplo> I just moved from Sky to Virgin :)
[12:07] <Laney> hope you like regular phoning to neotiate your price back down :(
[12:07] <diddledan> I'm with A&A
[12:08] <Laney> what cap / how much?
[12:08] <diddledan> expensive :-p
[12:08] <Laney> they seem competent
[12:08] <Laney> but £££ if you want a decent amount
[12:08] <diddledan> I pay them more because I trust them more
[12:09]  * Laney has a debian/ubuntu mirror running here ._.
[12:10] <diddledan> they're currently looking at increasing some of their usage limits under the same price: https://aa.net.uk/broadband-home1.html
[12:19] <diplo> Laney: Sky are worse for that, I will cancel as of 12 months and go to freeview
[12:20] <diplo> That is certainly pricey, I use that much with Netflix/Amazon alone for A&As limits
[12:20] <diplo> But I know they give a good service
[12:21] <MooDoo> I've had no problems with sky, the only issue is the speed, until i move 15mb is the fastest i get
[12:22] <diplo> I could get Fibre but only had adsl ( 6mb ) because they charged me £76 p/m and yet my work colleague on exactly the same package apart from had Fibre was paying £40
[12:23] <diplo> And neightbour same again for £42, the guy on the phone said I can offer you £55, I asked him if he'd heard a word I had said and told him to cancel
[12:23] <foobarry> my brother in law seems to use CEX as a computer lending library
[12:23] <diplo> I must have been contacted 5 times since telling me it's not to late...
[12:27] <MooDoo> i wished i lived in the b4rn area so I could get 1gbit down and up
[12:27] <MooDoo> https://b4rn.org.uk/
[12:28] <diplo> £30 a month!
[12:29] <MooDoo> yup.....
[12:31] <diddledan> I don't get what the difference is between each b4rn service tier
[12:32] <diddledan> the home service is "Suitable for homes and micro-businesses with less than 6 employees, small schools". So why is that cheaper than Small Business service when they look to be the exact same deal under different price
[12:33] <diddledan> and what about the home service makes it more suitable for homes than the small business deal?
[12:33] <diplo> Amount of staff for the small business I guess
[12:39] <MooDoo> who cares when you get gigabit for £30 a month,
[12:40] <diddledan> I don't like that term: "5.1.10 You agree to sign any agreement reasonably required by the owner of the copyright in any software which we provide to you to enable you to use the Services." <-- even if I don't approve of the terms within?!
[12:44] <diplo> Reasonably required will get you out of some stuff I guess diddledan - but I don't like things like that either
[12:44] <diplo> but to hand wavy
[13:33] <diddledan> apparently sex robots are gonna kill us all: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/643302/sex-robots-hackers-killer-cyborgs-technology-elon-musk-artificial-intelligence-world-war-3
[13:38] <MooDoo> as soon as skynet cums online ;)
[13:38]  * diddledan groans (and not in the good way)
[13:38] <MooDoo>  badum tish
[13:39] <MooDoo> oh i do like Aardvark :)
[13:39] <diddledan> yeah?
[13:39] <diddledan> I haven't tried it yet
[13:40] <diddledan> who's watching the apple thingy later?
[13:40] <MooDoo> yeah it's nice, like all the transparency of the menus
[13:40]  * MooDoo shakes his head, stopped caring about apple years ago!
[13:40] <diddledan> :-)
[13:41] <MooDoo> besides I'm sure the leak has informed everyone what's coming along
[13:41] <diddledan> it's nice to see what everyone will be citing as next gen features that they don't realise have been a thing for years - like waterproofing over the last year
[13:42] <diddledan> omg I can use it in the rain. I can't buy a phone without it now
[13:42] <MooDoo> half the stuff samsung has been doing for ages
[13:43] <diddledan> I still want AR in my eyeballs (nothing external)
[13:46] <Seeker`> diddledan: not looked at the site, but I could imagine SLA would be different for different tiers
[13:58] <Azelphur> I broke another thing, this time, weatherspoons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j69RAR9fc
[13:58] <Azelphur> ended up having to wait over an hour for food because of that one xD
[14:07] <foobarry> unattended ubuntu installs FTW
[14:10] <MooDoo> om goodness, just realised i've been part of the ubuntu uk comminity for nearly 11 years on the 16th Sept!!!!
[14:10] <popey> woohoo
[14:10] <popey> time flies :)
[14:10] <MooDoo> yeah it does indeed
[14:12] <diddledan> how do you break a pub?!
[14:12] <diddledan> and what evil bar steward would do such a beastly act?!
[14:13] <MooDoo> huh?
[14:13] <diddledan> ref: Azelphur
[14:13] <Azelphur> diddledan: I know, I'm terrible xD
[14:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: but yea app allows you to order breakfast after 12 if you search for it as opposed to go via the breakfast menu :P
[14:46] <daftykins> every restaurant should know that an all-day full english breakfast is mandatory
[14:49] <diddledan> omg the children!
[14:49] <diddledan> sorry
[14:50] <daftykins> diddledan: all ready for a CrApple-tastic event?
[14:50] <diddledan> yup
[14:50] <diddledan> interesting topic which spawned my exclamation: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/reject-names-with-expletives/2084
[14:51] <daftykins> aww your reply got moderated
[14:52] <diddledan> curiously that was merely a suggestion that Mr S should wield the banhammer on our behalf. it wasn't offensive
[14:53] <diddledan> they left my comment in that post that the statement shouldn't be read seriously, though
[14:57] <daftykins> definitely one of those messy topics, glad i don't sit in a position of responsibility over such things :)
[14:57] <daftykins> diddledan: you wouldn't want to go making a... snap decision
[14:57]  * daftykins runs
[14:58] <diddledan> get your coat
[14:58] <diddledan> (you've pulled?)
[14:59] <daftykins> ooh-err i hope not
[15:00] <diddledan> I pulled a muscle once
[15:00] <diddledan> it hurt
[15:00] <daftykins> my window lead got dressed this morning \o/ http://i.imgur.com/YGTd3YK.jpg
[15:00] <daftykins> just need some finishing touches now, then it'll be another painting task
[15:01] <diddledan> nice and insulated by the looks
[15:01] <diddledan> were you on single-glazing before?
[15:01] <daftykins> yeah original windows from this place, so super thin glass too
[15:01] <daftykins> now they actually shut :>
[15:01] <diddledan> I'm betting you'll notice a somewhat large drop in heating
[15:02] <diddledan> bill*
[15:02] <daftykins> hoping so, been about £5k of insulation inside too
[15:02] <diddledan> nice
[15:02] <diddledan> really going to town on the work! :-D
[15:02] <daftykins> still got a large hole on one side due to the roof leak damge works though
[15:02] <diddledan> :-(
[15:02] <daftykins> yip! it was really obscene prior, it'd get down to within a couple of degrees of outside
[15:02] <diddledan> ouch
[15:03] <daftykins> really hoping it'll be a drastic change that'll stop me burning so much money on gas for the winter stints, mmm
[15:03] <diddledan> when are you due to get it signed-off? (is it gonna be ready in time for this year's winter?)
[15:05] <daftykins> i don't think there's too much to do, nothing is going on right now as i'm waiting on the reports to come in from the timber treatment guy and the engineer for the state of the roof beam that got a fair bit rotten
[15:05] <daftykins> oh and then the insurance adjuster's say on those reports, too - since they involve more spending
[15:07] <diddledan> your insurance guys must love you :-p
[15:08] <diddledan> "damn, mr D. Kins has yet another claim?!"
[15:08] <daftykins> originally i was going to have to start #3 as there seemed to be a leak on the rear too, but the timber guy reckoned no
[15:09] <diddledan> phew
[15:09] <diddledan> they'll black ball you :-D
[15:09] <daftykins> i've been quite lucky really as all this stuff wouldn't have been uncovered unless i had made certain decisions
[15:09] <daftykins> super jammy to have told the guys to rip down the existing plasterboard on a heavily rainy day and spot it dripping in...
[15:09]  * diddledan tries to figure out all those negatives
[15:18] <diddledan> is it apple time yet?
[15:19] <daftykins> 6pm i think
[15:19] <diddledan> yeah
[15:19] <diddledan> is it 6pm yet?
[15:19] <daftykins> nope :P
[15:19] <diddledan> :-p
[15:19] <daftykins> have you spoken to shauno yet? :P
[15:19] <diddledan> nope. I donno where he hangs these days
[15:22] <diddledan> and we're back to my joke (which got moderated) https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/reject-names-with-expletives/2084/41?u=daniel
[15:23] <daftykins> i reckon it does reflect negatively
[15:48] <diddledan> I wonder what it's like to actually type on: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/azio-industry-first-luxury-vintage-keyboard#/
[15:49] <daftykins> methinks not good
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> if it has the spring and bounce of the original 18th 19th century typewriters it's not to bad...
[15:51]  * zmoylan-pi used a mechanical typewriter a bit
[15:52] <diddledan> it looks like there's a lot of travel to actually get the key to register a press
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of travel is in a mechanical typewriter were it can feel you need to press a whole inch :-)
[15:52] <diddledan> those mechanisms look like industrial/arcade push-button
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> but i did hate the shift and capslock buttons as they lifted the whole mechanism and required some effort
[15:54] <diddledan> you couldn't use your pinky for the shift key until you'd built some muscle :-p
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> on plus side the average secretary could crush walnuts with her pinky...
[15:55] <diddledan> bad news for her boyfriend
[15:55] <diddledan> or his boyfriend
[15:56] <diddledan> looks like that keyboard is using switches like these: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/push-button-switches/9138895/
[15:57] <daftykins> not standard Cherry MX's then, hrmm
[15:57] <zmoylan-pi> what i want in a keyboard is simple.  1) all the keys in right place 2) ability to rest hands on keys without pressing them 3) comfy typing...
[15:57] <diddledan> for reference: https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1501781016/fmrvoegiay3nz4dbrenn.jpg
[15:58] <daftykins> yeah you can't get #1 anymore :( they all futz with the proper layout in one way or another
[15:58] <zmoylan-pi> 4) wired keyboard 5) doesn't require firmware upgrades
[15:59] <diddledan> aah they have a section on the switches further down the page: "AZIO Typelit Mechanical Switch" with a travel of 3.6mm
[15:59] <diddledan> +/- 0.3mm
[15:59] <diddledan> so it could be as much as 3.9mm
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi> i do like a clicky keyboard that lets me hear when it's done it's thing but it's incompatible with insomnia and typing at 3am...
[16:01] <diddledan> wat? it's got a switch to flip between "mac" and "pc"
[16:01] <daftykins> or anyone being near you :D
[16:01] <daftykins> probably swaps super and alt
[16:07] <diddledan> yeah it looks to be the layout it modifies
[16:08] <diddledan> they give you mac-style key caps too, so you can pop the right label on
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> that would be more distracting to me than just using the same layout...
[16:09] <daftykins> i'd rather just get platform agnostic supers :>
[16:10] <diddledan> super!
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> though i've started to see wireless keyboards with pc, mac, ios, android switches on them which i think are meant for switching between different hardware on the fly which look interesting
[16:12] <diddledan> is it apple time yet?
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> immediately after the 5 minute meeting you have ahead... :-)
[16:13]  * diddledan wanders off for some crumpet
[16:13] <daftykins> diddledan: i'm never prepared for those horrible lines "and we can't wait to show our new junk to you!"
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> i'm already thinking of this one as the iphone lisa due to it's ridulous price...
[16:17] <daftykins> was the lisa dear back in the day?
[16:29] <diddledan> wasn't it around 1500$ back then?
[16:29] <daftykins> old money?
[16:30] <diddledan> I'm way off, in old money: "it underwent many changes during the development period before shipping at the very high price of US$9,995" cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa
[16:31] <daftykins> whaaaaaaaaaaaaat
[16:32] <diddledan> 2016 equiv is estimated at $24000
[16:33] <zmoylan-pi> great machine no one used because it was stupidly expensive... now the new iphone cost will be absorbed by the contract people get it on but still a lot of dosh
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> even when jobs left he came up with the next which started at $5000 iirc
[16:37] <diddledan> of course, the next box is credited with the dubious honour of keeping objective C alive
[16:37] <diddledan> if next hadn't run objc and therefore osx didn't we'd never have to live with such evilness :-p
[16:38] <zmoylan-pi> also the worlds first web server iirc
[16:38] <diddledan> yes, I believe Tim Berners-Lee _did_ use a next station to build his child
[16:39] <diddledan> we could ask him. Tim, you're in here, right? :-p
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> be careful, one word and he could have you banished from the web...
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> no more cat videos for diddledan....
[16:43] <daftykins> :D
[16:43] <daftykins> i'll have to bootleg him some snaps of Mischief nipping about the house instead
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> he'll have to use ascii art via irc...
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> =^..^=
[16:45] <diddledan> :-o
[16:45] <diddledan> I'll go onto gopher
[16:45] <daftykins> hrmm i have a final bill from the plumbers again for the bathroom insurance job, i *could* submit it to the insurers to pay, as they did finally come and resolve the broken sink plug... but their shower installation was rubbish
[16:46] <daftykins> thing is do i really want to sit and wade through yet another bout of trying to get them to put it right o0
[16:49] <diddledan> is it time?
[16:50] <daftykins> don't make us get Tim
[16:50] <diddledan> daftykins: that sounds like a sticky one - either you get the same guys to come back and keep the insurance happy or you get alternative guys and the insurace says wtf-chuck?
[16:51] <diddledan> how many plumbers are there on the island?
[16:51]  * zmoylan-pi sends diddledan a nice koala image to calm them down... @( * O * )@
[16:51] <daftykins> i was half pondering videoing the iffy installation and running it by the manufacturer
[16:52] <diddledan> doo eet
[16:52] <diddledan> http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/attachments/classifieds/258689d1458145355-fs-enkei-ekm3-18x7-5-45-5x100-w-235-50-18-tucson-az-doo-eet.jpg
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> they'll probably rate it by tea drunk and bum cleavage on display...
[16:53] <diddledan> https://cdn-az.allevents.in/banners/a683a788e6c3869ff847d8e6f2431828
[16:55] <daftykins> with all this waiting, this extremely white page is blinding me
[16:55] <diddledan> somehow google also gave me this when I searched for those images: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vxF58KYbMM
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> put on your apple rose coloured iglasses... a snip at $999
[16:56]  * daftykins kills that one in seconds
[16:56] <diddledan> it lasted seconds??!
[16:57] <diddledan> right. time to reboob
[16:58] <Laney> looking ominously grey out there
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> probably one of the exciting new colours for the new iphone :-)
[16:59] <daftykins> winter approacheth
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in ireland.  winter landed with a damp splat weeks back...
[17:02] <Laney> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcrjm8jf7 /o\
[17:02]  * Laney ventures out nevertheless
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> a slight spot of rain there... http://www.meteoradar.co.uk/
[17:05] <daftykins> tis but a drip!
[17:06] <daftykins> Apple must still be finding the wall sockets in the new building...
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> they forgot the adaptor for the charger...
[17:06] <daftykins> ah yep
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> or the adaptor for the adaptor...
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> it's adaptors all the way down...
[17:09] <diddledan> turtle-shaped ones
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> of course at a very reasonable $19.99
[17:19] <diddledan> 50% YoY growth of the watch?
[17:20] <daftykins> its not that big! ;D
[17:20] <diddledan> they're ahead of rolex now
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> in 20 years times those rolexes will still work :-)
[17:21] <daftykins> indeed
[17:23] <daftykins> Woz is there!
[17:23] <diddledan> I was about to say that
[17:23] <daftykins> ;)
[17:23] <diddledan> they must be proud if they brought him in
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> probably to open the steve jobs auditorium
[17:26] <daftykins> i wonder if he still wears his nixie tube watch
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> it's woz, he probably has a different one for every day of the month...
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder if he arrived by segway...
[17:29] <diddledan> cellooler
[17:29] <m0nkey_> You guys watching this crap?
[17:29] <daftykins> yep
[17:29] <daftykins> gotta know thy enemy
[17:29] <diddledan> or even your enema
[17:30] <m0nkey_> Didn't ASUS already do this with a smart watch?
[17:30] <m0nkey_> BUT APPLE DID IT FIRST!
[17:30] <daftykins> a moment ago Apple even invented calling emergency services
[17:31] <m0nkey_> Holy crap! A TALKING WATCH
[17:31] <diddledan> siri can talk?!
[17:31] <m0nkey_> https://www.maxiaids.com/tel-time-iv-talking-watch-english-unisex-black
[17:32] <m0nkey_> Yes, that's right. You can get a talking watch for $10
[17:32] <m0nkey_> Not a $1000
[17:33] <diddledan> they finally did away with the simcard
[17:33] <m0nkey_> calling it now
[17:33] <m0nkey_> new iphone doesn't have a sim card slot
[17:35] <daftykins> well she nearly escaped the firm, but not quite
[17:35] <diddledan> so the watch gives me impeccable balance?
[17:37] <diddledan> grey?!
[17:37] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: wow you called it, they're adding the colour grey!
[17:37] <daftykins> :D
[17:37] <diddledan> swim poop?
[17:38] <m0nkey_> So, expensive.
[17:39] <diddledan> bug grey!
[17:39] <diddledan> but*
[17:39] <diddledan> they've also invented the zune
[17:40] <daftykins> this silly fella doesn't know it's rude to skate in public
[17:40] <m0nkey_> I had to use Microsoft Edge to watch the stream. How screwed up that is. Why can I not use Firefox or something?!
[17:40] <diddledan> me too
[17:40] <m0nkey_> Calling it.. 4K
[17:41] <daftykins> you're not calling it XD it's been on all the tech sites as leaked for weeks
[17:41] <m0nkey_> And some kind of intergration with a cable company
[17:41] <m0nkey_> heh
[17:41] <m0nkey_> I've not been following any of that crap
[17:41] <diddledan> US-only
[17:41] <diddledan> the cable tie-in I mean
[17:41] <daftykins> can't avoid the headlines sadly :<
[17:41] <diddledan> maybe something with disney
[17:42] <diddledan> yup, 4k
[17:42] <diddledan> and hdr
[17:42] <diddledan> moar pixies!
[17:43] <m0nkey_> lol
[17:43] <m0nkey_> better pixels
[17:43] <daftykins> don't clap! it wasn't them!
[17:43] <m0nkey_> looks the same to me
[17:43] <m0nkey_> image on the right looks more saturated
[17:44] <diddledan> how do you show the benefit of HDR on a non-HDR monitor?!
[17:44] <daftykins> nah it is decent, but it's certainly nothing they've done
[17:44] <daftykins> just fiddle the colours a bit :D it does show
[17:46] <daftykins> in photos of screens anyway :P
[17:46] <diddledan> lol, spiderman looks fun
[17:46] <diddledan> that's gonna be my takeaway
[17:46] <daftykins> what restaurant do you go to for a spiderman takeaway? ;)
[17:46] <diddledan> arachnids
[17:47] <diddledan> ooh, autoupgrade
[17:48] <m0nkey_> here we go
[17:48] <m0nkey_> told you some kind of integration with a broadcaster
[17:48] <diddledan> :-)
[17:49] <daftykins> not exactly crystal ball work ;)
[17:49] <diddledan> m0nkey_: you've got crystal balls?! :-o
[17:49] <m0nkey_> you're telline me you dont?
[17:50] <diddledan> no, mine are all meaty and covered in tomato sauce
[17:50] <m0nkey_> you might want to get that checked
[17:50] <diddledan> lol
[17:52] <daftykins> i don't think he could pay anyone enough ;)
[17:54] <m0nkey_> here we go
[17:54] <m0nkey_> no sim card slot
[17:54] <diddledan> it's circular
[17:54] <m0nkey_> 64gb minimum
[17:54] <m0nkey_> no charging port
[17:54] <m0nkey_> only wireless charging
[17:54] <diddledan> no ports at all
[17:55] <m0nkey_> I had a tooth cavity filled around 11, should be okay to eat now, right? (3 hours ago)
[17:58] <diddledan> they went with "8"
[17:58] <diddledan> some pundits reckoned on them choosing X
[17:58] <m0nkey_> glass
[17:58] <m0nkey_> didn't i just say wireless charging?
[18:00] <diddledan> BIONIC!?!
[18:00] <diddledan> OMG, CYBORGS!
[18:01] <diddledan> poor imation
[18:01] <diddledan> apple-designed GPU
[18:01] <m0nkey_> fuuu.. trying to eat and i can't feel anything
[18:02] <m0nkey_> wish this anasthetic would wear off already
[18:02] <diddledan> what's a deep pixel?
[18:02] <daftykins> X might yet be another model :>
[18:02] <m0nkey_> it's like a normal pixel, but deeper
[18:03] <m0nkey_> great ass
[18:07] <diddledan> "monitors movement.. to optimise the encoding" <-- sooo, a standard h265 encoder then
[18:08] <m0nkey_> wait. i've used AR on a phone before
[18:08] <diddledan> didn't red dwarf invent ar back in the 90s?
[18:09] <diddledan> complete with groinal attachment
[18:10] <daftykins> that was VR :P
[18:10] <diddledan> they called it AR
[18:10] <daftykins> hmm different word for A?
[18:10] <m0nkey_> Actual Reality they called it in Red Dwarf
[18:11] <daftykins> heh :>
[18:11] <diddledan> Artificial*
[18:11] <m0nkey_> or whatever ^^
[18:11] <diddledan> :-p
[18:12] <m0nkey_> it'll be funny if the headphone jack is back
[18:13] <m0nkey_> wireless charging
[18:13] <m0nkey_> and like you said diddledan, no ports..lol
[18:14] <daftykins> cafes XD
[18:14] <m0nkey_> and i bet your ass, it's a new wireless charging standard and not using this Qi
[18:14] <m0nkey_> wow
[18:15] <m0nkey_> THEY'RE USING A STANDARD!!!!
[18:15] <diddledan> butter me!
[18:15] <diddledan> ANY Qi CHARGER?!
[18:15] <diddledan> that's nuts
[18:15] <diddledan> how dare they be interoperable!!
[18:16] <diddledan> you were right about 64GB
[18:16] <daftykins> $$$
[18:17] <m0nkey_> huh, so no integrated sim card?
[18:17] <m0nkey_> here we go
[18:17] <daftykins> 10 years no less
[18:17] <m0nkey_> iphone X
[18:17] <m0nkey_> lol
[18:18] <m0nkey_> VR
[18:18] <m0nkey_> ?
[18:18] <daftykins> just OLED and no more home button even :P
[18:19] <diddledan> it is X!
[18:19] <m0nkey_> kiss your sim card goodbye
[18:20] <daftykins> pretty sure modern iPad models have used the eSIM thing for a while
[18:20] <daftykins> maybe only in the US though, dunno
[18:21] <m0nkey_> bet it costs over $1000
[18:22] <daftykins> they can't get enough good displays so the scalpers will be happy ;)
[18:22] <m0nkey_> lol
[18:22] <m0nkey_> my G6 does that
[18:24] <m0nkey_> its in the screen
[18:24] <diddledan> face
[18:24] <diddledan> no fingerprint
[18:25] <m0nkey_> hello.. android did this already
[18:25] <daftykins> yeah but Apple invented it *groan*
[18:25] <daftykins> ;D
[18:27] <daftykins> brb
[18:29] <diddledan> aww, tom cruise is gonna be out of a job. they can't use masks to fool facial id now
[18:33] <m0nkey_> fail
[18:34] <m0nkey_> that black notch would get annoying
[18:37] <daftykins> i think he's having a bit too much fun there
[18:44]  * m0nkey_ sighs
[18:46] <diddledan> it's Jonny Ive time
[18:47] <m0nkey_> i've not seen a sim card slot yet
[18:49] <daftykins> "rawr you didn't pay your phone bill yet!"
[18:49] <m0nkey_> LOL
[18:49] <m0nkey_> https://imgur.com/pvc7mjU
[18:49] <m0nkey_> stock dropped when it didn't work
[18:50] <diddledan> wat
[18:50] <diddledan> that's a bit cracray
[18:50] <m0nkey_> geez.. a grand
[18:50] <m0nkey_> They've not killed the SE or 6 yet?
[18:55] <m0nkey_> Lol
[18:55] <m0nkey_> Did you see Stephen Fry?
[18:55] <diddledan> I was about to ask whether I just saw him
[18:59] <daftykins> it's so fitting that someone who doesn't properly get tech but is just a fan of it, is there
[19:01] <daftykins> wonder if macOS news will spill out, that actually relates to a job i've got coming up
[19:20] <m0nkey_> diddledan: do I buy this? https://www.netgate.com/products/sg-3100.html
[19:21] <daftykins> heh deja vu :>
[19:22] <m0nkey_> I've not bought anything yet
[19:34] <diddledan> I think I prefer that over the apu
[19:35] <diddledan> partly because being netgate it helps fund pfsense dev
[19:36] <m0nkey_> It'll come to $466 with shipping
[19:36] <m0nkey_> Seems expensive for a router. lol
[19:43] <daftykins> but ARM ;x
[19:44] <diddledan> ARM is gonna kill Intel
[19:44] <diddledan> nobody wants a PC anymore
[19:44] <diddledan> it's all about the Internet of Poo
[19:46] <daftykins> oh indeed, Apple's event showed us that
[19:46] <daftykins> animated poo!
[19:46] <diddledan> I, for one, can't wait until my toilet is connected into the internet reporting on twitter how squidgy it was
[19:52] <daftykins> the NHS can :>
[19:53] <daftykins> BBC News at Ten: more funding has been requested by the NHS in order to staff the monitoring of diddledan's new toilet
[20:00] <m0nkey_> bah, even with the hotfix.
[20:00] <m0nkey_> [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Jitter    Lost/Total Datagrams
[20:00] <m0nkey_> [  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  23.6 MBytes  19.8 Mbits/sec  3.962 ms  1903/3003 (63%)
[20:00] <m0nkey_> [  4] Sent 3003 datagrams
[20:01] <m0nkey_> 63% loss on UDP
[20:01] <m0nkey_> If I drop the bandwidth down to 1Mbit/sec
[20:01] <m0nkey_> I get zero loss
[20:04] <daftykins> what was that story again, duff ISP device?
[20:05] <m0nkey_> The Ubiquiti Edge Router
[20:05] <m0nkey_> The UDP loss is why I want to get shot of it
[20:06] <m0nkey_> No way should I be getting 63% packlet loss with UDP
[20:17] <m0nkey_> you think 8GB RAM in a pfSense box is overkill?
[20:19] <daftykins> yep
[20:20] <m0nkey_> ok, 2GB then?
[20:21] <daftykins> probably would be plenty
[20:33] <daftykins> hrmm if i wanted a properly decent quality cinema experience in England, given Guernsey just has a town crier shout the plot at you for cinema... is it IMAX on top, then Odeon, then Vue?
[21:00] <diddledan> daftykins: I believe IMAX is considered the best, but I've never been
[21:01] <diddledan> between odeon and vue, I think it's "pays your money and takes your choice"
[21:10] <daftykins> diddledan: mmmhrmm
[21:11] <daftykins> bit bold to hop on the boat and nip up just for a film, mind
[21:51] <m0nkey_> So I now appear to be running pfSense
[21:51] <diddledan> :-o
[21:51] <m0nkey_> UDP packet loss is much lower.
[21:52] <diddledan> how'd you wangle that?
[21:52] <m0nkey_> Using an old PC
[21:52] <diddledan> aah
[21:52] <diddledan> yey for old PCs
[21:52] <m0nkey_> It's a stop gap until I get a replacement for the ER
[21:52] <daftykins> :>
[21:53] <daftykins> crazy question but with the wonky one, does it work fine if you use a TCP VPN?
[21:55] <m0nkey_> Yeah, no problem
[21:56] <daftykins> weird device
[22:48] <m0nkey_> I'm in the market for a new router. Aside from the APU2 and ready made pfSense boxes.. suggestions?
[22:49] <m0nkey_> No, I don't want an ASUS, Netgear, D-Link or whatever.
[22:49] <daftykins> no consumer tat, mmm
[22:49] <m0nkey_> Exactly
[22:49] <daftykins> i think you're overthinking this XD
[22:49] <m0nkey_> Blame Ubiquiti for this :D
[22:50] <daftykins> are they doing anything about owning up to the issue etc?
[22:50] <m0nkey_> A "firmware" fix was supposed to be available this month
[22:51] <m0nkey_> But they've been very quiet lately
[22:52] <m0nkey_> So this old PC has pushed my power consumption from 81W to 97W
[22:53] <daftykins> :O
[22:53] <m0nkey_> That's for the whole rack
[22:53] <m0nkey_> Not just for that PC
[22:53] <m0nkey_> lol
[22:54] <daftykins> think my file server + router + switch + phone bridge comes in at around that
[22:54] <m0nkey_> So that total includes: pfSense, FreeNAS, switch, PoE injector for wifi, VoIP ATA
[22:54] <daftykins> ATA that's what i was trying to remember
[22:54] <m0nkey_> With the ER running the PoE for the wifi, it totals at 81W
[22:55] <m0nkey_> This is why I'm looking for something low power, such as the pfSense ARM thing
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> but winter is coming... :-)
[22:56] <m0nkey_> Yeah. Don't remind me.
[22:57] <daftykins> but you can just heat the family over the top o' the thing ;)
[23:01] <zmoylan-pi> break out a bag of marshmallows and have a sing a long...
[23:05] <m0nkey_> I'm still tempted by the APU
[23:05] <daftykins> it's been nice enough for my clients setup
[23:06] <daftykins> at least, once i find out why they havent been able to get it online :D bloody PPPoA auth for movistar's fiber
[23:10] <m0nkey_> daftykins: Did you order direct from PCEngines?
[23:11] <daftykins> nah linitx.com
[23:11] <diddledan> linitx are the UK distributor, so I guess it counts as almost direct
[23:11] <daftykins> ;D
[23:11] <daftykins> i just went where me mate Dave recommended
[23:11] <daftykins> which is amusing given i am also a Dave
[23:12] <diddledan> as is m0nkey_
[23:12] <daftykins> no wai
[23:12] <daftykins> oi Dave
[23:12] <m0nkey_> Hi Dave
[23:12] <daftykins> :D
[23:12] <diddledan> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/514480991952699392/RkBBZpB2.jpeg
[23:13] <m0nkey_> that's creepy
[23:13] <diddledan> yes. yes it is
[23:13] <m0nkey_> I'm on Twitter should you want to follow.. https://twitter.com/DavieDavieDave
[23:13] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkiix0aveRk
[23:15] <m0nkey_> Needs more JPEG
[23:20] <m0nkey_> This is the right one? https://www.pcengines.ch/apu2c4.htm
[23:22] <daftykins> sure looks familiar
[23:25] <daftykins> only thing the client didn't like was the default beeps on startup/shutdown/disconnect/etc as it apparently woke them up :D very quickly turned those off though (or so i thought)
[23:33] <m0nkey_> it beeps?
[23:34] <daftykins> ja
[23:34] <daftykins> the build i have with just the SD card is incredibly slow booting
[23:35] <m0nkey_> I'll be getting the mSATA SSD
[23:35] <daftykins> yip
[23:36] <daftykins> time for bed, ta-ra \o
[23:40] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:43] <m0nkey_> Cya