[07:22] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:39] <Gargoyle> o/
[07:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:52] <Gargoyle> what about us Aliens, brobostigon?
[07:54] <brobostigon> those too, :)
[07:54] <brobostigon> multi'gendered aliens?
[07:55] <Gargoyle> :D
[08:01] <MooDoo> howdy howdy
[08:02] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:03] <Gargoyle> o/
[08:04] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon Gargoyle
[08:56] <diplo> Morning all
[08:56] <MooDoo> howdy diplo, how's tricks?
[08:57] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, sat on a train heading to the big smoke
[08:57] <diplo> yourself ?
[08:59] <MooDoo> yeah i'm ok thanks, just reading up on that bluetooth bluebourne thing
[09:22] <diplo> ooh whats that then ?
[09:22] <diplo> Sorry, dodgy line :)
[09:23] <MooDoo> https://www.armis.com/blueborne/
[09:23] <MooDoo> hacking bluetooth devices really
[09:25] <diplo> ooh interesting
[09:25]  * diplo saves that for the way back
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> now all those phones with out head phone jacks are vulnerable :-)
[09:27] <diplo> Right better packlaptopaway
[09:28] <MooDoo> later
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> you need a smaller irc doohickey :-)
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> in another channel iphones facial recognigition is a reason not to buy iphone x for his twin teenage daughters... :-P
[11:24] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: twins? what could go wrong?!
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> well for iphone x all twins are evil :-)
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> especially when teenager
[12:37] <diddledan> https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/13/doubts-speculation-face-id-fail-iphone-x-keynote/
[12:37] <diddledan> haha, the adverts on that page as I loaded it are all for samsung via the carphone warehouse
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> there are adverts on web pages?!
[12:46] <diddledan> what's a web page?
[12:47] <diddledan> is that like Internet Explorer?
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> sure, you just view them in netscape excel...
[12:50] <diddledan> I was talking to Joe the other day and he said that netscape are going communist
[12:51] <diddledan> something to do with open hippies
[13:03]  * diddledan strokes his neckbeard
[13:26] <m0nkey_> hippy
[13:28] <diddledan> err.. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2017-September/017670.html
[13:28] <diddledan> how about you configure your own system how you want it?!
[13:30] <diddledan> IMO that is merely a sysadmin fail
[13:30] <MooDoo> yup me too
[14:14] <diddledan> the BFG: https://twitter.com/IamHappyToast/status/907970755937304576
[14:39] <diddledan> jeepus, America! https://twitter.com/make5calls/status/907976554541596672
[14:47] <diddledan> I wonder why we're drawn to stories about dystopias
[14:49] <diddledan> maybe it's a reinforcement thing that what we're watching proves that our world can still get much worse
[17:19] <Laney> "your ISA money could be earning a market leading variable rate of 1.15% tax-free p.a./AER"
[17:20] <Laney> jokers
[17:41] <diddledan> daftykins: zmoylan-pi : I hope shauno doesn't see https://youtu.be/sjlHnJvXdQs
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> people are already saying they're going to buy it
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> once the sale of their kidney on ebay goes through of course...
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> when you consider for many people that their phone has replaced their laptop for most of what they do online.  it seems a bit more reasonable as they used to fork out over a grand for one of those
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> so we're reaching an era like it was in 90s in japan were people didn't own pcs and wrote novels on their phones...
[18:10] <ali1234> wait
[18:11] <ali1234> iphone x is a real thing, and they also made an iphone 8 at the same time?
[18:11] <daftykins> yep
[18:11] <ali1234> is "x" pronounced "ten" like OS X?
[18:11] <daftykins> one to be the incremental upgrade, the other to push the boundaries
[18:11] <daftykins> yep
[18:11] <ali1234> and there's no iphone 9?
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> nein
[18:12] <ali1234> i have no words
[18:12] <ali1234> none that i can say here anyway
[18:13] <daftykins> and still the cultists will lap it all up and preorder, amazing
[18:15] <ali1234> i'm not sure they will tbh
[18:15] <daftykins> :)
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> we'll have to see what sales numbers are like...
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> those that they release of course...
[18:16] <ali1234> i'm sure they'll sell loads
[18:16] <ali1234> but perhaps fewer than previous iterations
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> but they didn't seem to release a new small phone so that will upset a few
[18:17] <ali1234> it's probably a good mode
[18:17] <ali1234> *move
[18:17] <ali1234> the small phone owners are probably the least likely to upgrade
[18:18] <ali1234> most likely to be happy to keep what they already have
[18:18] <zmoylan-pi> but the 5se's are starting to show their age
[18:18] <ali1234> are they though?
[18:18] <zmoylan-pi> do they still get updates?
[18:18] <daftykins> anything without a 64-bit CPU will be culled shortly
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> for folk with small hands it was optimal
[18:21] <ali1234> maybe that's ho it will go with apple, but in general that won't happen
[18:23] <daftykins> which?
[18:23] <ali1234> 64 bit
[18:23] <daftykins> yeah probably
[18:24] <daftykins> that 5c i got given the other day is 32-bit only so it won't see iOS 11 and likely become redundant very shortly
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> i think the bigger gap in their offerings is that there was no mac book pro yesterday
[18:24] <daftykins> huh?
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> or mac pro rather... saw a few channels hoping against hope for something
[18:25] <ali1234> mac pro like desktop?
[18:25] <ali1234> didn't they release a new one last time?
[18:25] <daftykins> oh no they already said that won't rear its' head before 2018 or 2019
[18:26] <ali1234> going back to the classic tower case style?
[18:26] <daftykins> yeah they're definitely doing a U turn on it
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> seems people want expandable not an appliance
[18:26] <ali1234> well yeah, if people want an appliance they'll buy a mac book
[18:26] <ali1234> the stupid trash can thing had no market
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> and some old mac books are going for very good money online as you can't buy them new anymore
[18:27]  * daftykins giggles over the guy in Dixons Travel at London Gatwick asking for an adapter for a standard USB port on the lowest end macbook
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> *KERCHING*
[18:31] <daftykins> indeedy
[18:32] <zmoylan-pi> why are they fetching a red cushion with gold brain?
[18:42] <m0nkey_> Heh, I saw people with the new MacBooks at this conference I went to. It was dongles, dongles everywhere
[18:42] <daftykins> :) madness
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> dongles all the way down....
[18:43] <m0nkey_> At least my Mac has standard USB ports :)
[18:43] <m0nkey_> Advantage of having an old mac
[18:43] <daftykins> still a mac though ;)
[18:44] <m0nkey_> It's 5 years old, I'm not replacing it until it dies.
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> till they decide it is no longer mac like enough...
[18:44] <m0nkey_> I'm kinda amazed it's still working actually.
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> mac make or made very good laptops.
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> was common to hear of a student using same macbook all through college whereas windows users were on a new one per year
[18:45] <daftykins> the move to soldered in SSDs mean that (almost all) of the very latest models are now just tossable when there's a problem, oh and hope you have a backup...
[18:45] <m0nkey_> mine doesn't have a soldered ssd thankfully
[18:46] <daftykins> i think that's more down to the fact they'd buy some <£300 turd and expect to be sorted
[18:46] <daftykins> no it's only on the latest models as i said
[18:46] <daftykins> no doubt becoming the norm, though
[18:47] <daftykins> and before that it was proprietary interfaces that accessory sellers had to reverse engineer
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> chromebooks have sewn up cheap end of market
[18:55] <daftykins> nah
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> cheaper to pick up an american iphone... :-) https://twitter.com/juanbuis/status/907883402195595265
[19:42] <daftykins> good if you eat nothing and teleport places
[19:44] <zmoylan-pi> you cook feral rats on your travel iron... :-P
[20:56] <daftykins> here's a fine news piece: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/13/bikini_baristas_police_investigation/
[21:00] <diddledan> "He insisted that all his new hires were told not to expose themselves to customers." <-- because that's what you tell new employees in case it wasn't clear
[21:01] <diddledan> anyone who insists on telling people not to do something probably means they want them to do it
[21:02] <diddledan> "whatever you do *WINK WINKY WINK* don't *WINKY* strip *WINK* and get extra *wink* money for doing *wink* things!"
[21:05] <diddledan> hmm, ftp.heanet.ie is timing out
[21:06] <diddledan> obviously that's via http
[21:06] <diddledan> https**
[21:13] <diddledan> ok, who needs diddlin'!?!
[21:19] <daftykins> ooh-err
[21:26] <m0nkey_> Ooh, I got a mention: https://www.ixsystems.com/blog/vbsdcon-2017
[21:27] <diddledan> nice
[21:27] <diddledan> you're Internet Famous now
[21:28] <daftykins> heh
[21:36]  * zmoylan-pi remembers been taken aside on my first job in retail and been shown a club to use in case any one tried to rob the place...
[21:37] <m0nkey_> I guess I'm officially a BSD guy
[21:37] <diddledan> you can't back-out now
[21:38] <daftykins> unless you turn m0nkey into a kind of Batman role
[21:38] <m0nkey_> I run pfSense and FreeNAS, maybe I should install FreeBSD on the desktop ;)
[21:39] <daftykins> i hope you have the prerequisite facial hair
[21:40]  * diddledan hides his beadage
[21:40] <diddledan> beardage*
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> and brown sandals with blue socks?
[21:41] <daftykins> diddledan: put those beads away
[21:41] <diddledan> but they make my face fungus pretty
[23:05] <zmoylan-pi> wow, equifax had admin admin as user name and password in argentina... :-)