[00:01] <Toba> boot from a live cd or live usb, mount the filesystem, and fix your sudoers file
[00:01] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Boot the root console from a recovery kernel and revert the change . ( mount -o remount,rw ) .
[00:01] <Toba> or that
[00:01] <Toba> not sure what you mean 'as getting corrupt'
[00:01] <Toba> but presumably the file got broken somehow
[00:02] <Toba> do you know how the file got corrupted, in case it happens again?
[00:02] <Toba> visudo should prevent issues with that by validating it before saving
[00:02] <gebbione> i edited it
[00:02] <[n0mad]> and only use visudo maybe as is recommended virtually everywhere
[00:02] <gebbione> i just read about visudo
[00:02] <gebbione> didnt know
[00:02] <Bashing-om> gebbione: ** mount -o remount,rw /
[00:02] <gebbione> it is remote, i need to work out if i can access it in recovery mode
[00:03] <Toba> yup you're stuck waiting for at least terminal access
[00:03] <gebbione> i have terminal but i cannot sudo inside right now
[00:03] <Toba> unless you haven't patched lately and there are actively usable root exploits for your own machine, but for your sake i hope that's not workable
[00:03] <Toba> by terminal, I mean local terminal
[00:03] <Toba> Not ssh
[00:04] <akik> oerheks: the cloud-init page says "(the above command would create from stdin an SHA-512 password hash with 4096 salt rounds)"
[00:04] <Toba> is it a VM, or a physical machine
[00:04] <nacc> akik: oerheks: fwiw, there is a #cloud-init channel if you ahve questions
[00:05] <oerheks> akik, yes, salted hash
[00:06] <akik> so many channels
[00:06] <nchambers> oerheks: what about pepper?
[00:10] <Toba> if you're going to use a secret that only the server has, just encrypt the hashes. pepper strikes me as pretty pointless, but perhaps I just don't get it.
[00:11] <Toba> pepper is a secret that only the server has that you can't change
[00:11] <Toba> encrypting it gets the same security, but you can rotate the key if you need to.
[00:11] <Toba> a secret you can't rotate is broken, in my opinion.
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[00:14] <gebbione> Toba it is a physical machine
[00:16] <Toba> hopefully your host/datacenter either has smart hands or a serial terminal you can get access to.
[00:16] <Toba> good luck.
[00:25] <hfp> Hi, I'm trying to get the Epson ES-200 to work under Ubuntu with xsane and sane. I installed the drivers from Epson, and I can see it with `scanimage -L`, but `scanimage -T` and `scanimage -A` both return an error: "scanimage: open of device imagescan:esci:usb:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb4/4-2/4-2:1.0 failed: Operation not supported". Any ideas?
[00:26] <hfp> The scanner supports TWAIN, is there any way I could interface sane with TWAIN?
[00:28] <[n0mad]> no idea, just found out that my scanner isn't working from my laptop though!
[00:32] <AssociateX> So, I have a laptop and a second monitor that I dual monitor with. When I first boot up I have to fiddle to get my second monitor to work, how can I just make it work?
[00:35] <bazhang> AssociateX, what does the 'fiddling' entail
[00:37] <xz> hi there I just kicked off 'backportpackage -u ppa:<my ppa> wget ; how can I track a progress of what's going on now?
[00:38] <nacc> xz: go look at your ppa's page?
[00:39] <xz> nacc: nothing is happening there
[00:39] <nacc> xz: link?
[00:39] <xz> nacc: it's a brand new PPA and I just kicked-off backportpackage command
[00:39] <nacc> xz: so you don't want to provide the link?
[00:40] <xz> nacc: I just did
[00:41] <nacc> xz: are you on 12.04 now?
[00:42] <auser_> hey everyone, if i want to mount some directory using --bind, do i need to chmod of it or chown ? like if i want to sudo mount --bind /home/auser/PACK/ /share/PACK , is there anything else I need to do ?
[00:44] <xz> nacc: yes, 12.04 now
[00:45] <nacc> xz: ok, that's definitely necessary (ro pass -d)
[00:45] <nacc> *or
[00:45] <nacc> xz: but 12.04 is eol, so like i said in PM, not sure the PPA will build for it anymore
[00:45] <nacc> xz: and even it did, not sure you should rely on it
[00:45] <xz> nacc: I just need upgraded version of wget and I would prefer to have it controlled by apt-get (or at least dpkg)
[00:45] <nacc> xz: if backportpackage succeeded, as mentioned on the page you linked, you should see "Successfully uploaded pacakges." If you don't, then it didn't succeed
[00:46] <xz> nacc: I can compile but 'make install' is difficult to revert
[00:46] <nacc> xz: I understand, but honestly, you have much larger problems on your hands if you're using an EOL release than `wget` and TLS
[00:46] <xz> nacc: my backportpackage failed on Errno 110, I think it's because of proxy
[00:46] <xz> nacc: yes, but I cannot solve it now. It's life and it is not always perfect.
[00:47] <xz> nacc: I have production server with 12.04 and that's just what I'm dealing with
[00:47] <nacc> xz: uh "EOL" production?
[00:47] <nacc> not a great idea
[00:47] <bazhang> xz thats not supported
[00:47] <xz> nacc: cool, call my boss, you want number?
[00:47] <xz> bazhang: I know!
[00:47] <bazhang> get a supported version for support here
[00:48] <nacc> xz: in any case, you've been told what to do.
[00:48] <nacc> xz: you should call your boss and tell them to get a clue, if they really want to use insecure software in production.
[00:49] <xz> bazhang: dude, why are you such a freak? what's wrong with ubuntu community? I go to debian or redhat and I'm dealing with chill people who are willing to help. Yes, I KNOW supported distros should be used. Yes I KNOW it. But life is the way it is. People die, there are wars and then there are EOLed distros deployed. I cannot fix the world
[00:49] <bazhang> xz we wont get involved with what ever office issues you hace, to get support here you simply need a supported version
[00:49] <nacc> xz: you are in the support channel, we only can support supported versions.
[00:49] <Toba> that's the policy of the channel
[00:49] <nacc> xz: *and* you ignored a local error for the ppa, its eems.
[00:49] <xz> bazhang: ok, thanks for your support, go to hell
[00:49] <Toba> wow
[00:49] <xz> nacc: look, I'm just looking for harm reduction
[00:49] <xz> nacc: I just need simple thing, wget
[00:50] <bazhang> xz try ##linux, and be civil here
[00:50] <xz> nacc: and I want to install it in a way that I can always uninstall it relatively easy
[00:50] <xz> bazhang: there are normal people on ##linux who understand life
[00:50] <xz> bazhang: here people always have problems like you do for no reason
[00:50] <nacc> xz: and you've been told what to do?
[00:50] <bazhang> xz please stop asking here for an eol version
[00:50] <Toba> tell your boss that you can't seem to get help anymore online.
[00:51] <Toba> You don't have to tell him that it's only 70% because you're using an EOL version and that it's 30% that you're being an asshole.
[00:51] <Toba> (if you don't want)
[00:51] <bazhang> Toba, never do that here
[00:51] <Toba> good point. I won't.
[00:51] <Toba> Sorry.
[00:52] <xz> nacc: I'm not sure there was any viable solution here other than 'upgrade distro'. For now I'm stuck with backportpackage failing on Errno 110, will try that with tsocks in a while
[00:52] <nacc> xz: well, to be clear, upgrade distro several months ago.
[00:53] <xz> nacc: I don't own that box, I don't own that software
[00:53] <nacc> xz: and yet you are going to install software on it?
[00:53] <nacc> xz: in any case, none of this is ubuntu support. have a nice day.
[00:53] <xz> nacc: fuck you
[00:53] <bazhang> xz we have politely asked you several times now to stop asking for help on this here
[00:53] <nacc> strange.
[00:53] <nacc> i think i was the only one to actually help them with what they were doing
[00:54] <Toba> you were.
[00:54] <bazhang> intel/nat
[00:54] <donofrio> wow
[01:14] <uphoria> That was... wow.
[01:15] <uphoria> I'm almost sad I didn't get to see that unfold in realtime
[01:15] <Toba> Don't be. Let's move on...
[01:15] <bazhang> uphoria, lets save the chatter for elsewhere please
[01:15] <uphoria> sure..
[02:03] <hugin_munin> hello, every external drive that is mounted is only ever read only. How can I fix this?
[02:05] <nexii> hello.  does anyone have any advice on how to get past the timeout errors when running gem install on xenial?  my other computer which runs osx runs gem install just fine
[02:07] <raleigh> hi
[02:07] <raleigh> how can i tell beforehand what logging out will do?
[02:08] <raleigh> like if i'm in tmux or ssh or chroot something else
[02:08] <hugin_munin> i really need some help...  hello, every external drive can only be mounted read only. How can I fix this?  it is every drive.  I can unmount and reformat but even that doesn't allow me to write to external drives even as root
[02:09] <raleigh> hugin_munin, can you remount them writable?
[02:09] <raleigh> mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mount
[02:14] <nixnoob> I’ve got a few hard drives other then my OS drive (an SSD) and I’m trying to do is keep the data on these other internal drives …. I want to install a new OS and SSD drive - I can rebuild everything related to non admin user access. How do I make sure I don’t lose access to any of my files on the other internal drives ? Modify permissions somehow ?
[02:15] <nixnoob> I’m on ubuntu server (no GUI)
[02:16] <mccanless> is ubuntustudio 16.04.3 LTS official or unofficial?
[02:17] <oerheks> official > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/16.04/release/
[02:17] <mccanless> Thanks
[02:19] <hugin_munin> hi...  i am noob... but this is driving me crazy... Every external drive can only be mounted read only, even with sudo.  I can unmount and reformat but even that doesn't allow me to write to external drives even as root.  Please, I am totally lost.  I need some help.  OH and I can write to all these drives (esata, usb sticks, etc) from my mac.
[02:19] <nixnoob> probably the wrong format hugin
[02:20] <nixnoob> unless it’s FAT32 it won’t be read/write compatible…. or HFS+ without journaling I think....
[02:21] <mccanless> I can't get my live/install dvd to go past the first menu page, and found no help so far searching the net, except that others have had similar problems
[02:22] <oerheks> chown the drive.. sudo chown -R ubuntu <path-to-someusbhdd> # or see if the drive has errors, that would explain it too, mounting read only
[02:22] <mccanless> Anyone know of a good link?
[02:24] <hugin_munin> oerheks, i cannot perform that action on a read-only filesytem
[02:24] <hugin_munin> nixnoob, no, it works on other computers just fine
[02:25] <mccanless> oerheks? Does this apply to a DVD drive at boot?
[02:27] <oerheks> mccanless, this was an answer to hugin
[02:27] <mccanless> I can't even get a curser prompt after clicking a menu item
[02:27] <hugin_munin> nixnoob, its format isn't the issue
[02:27] <mccanless> Sorry
[02:27] <Fretegi> evening folks
[02:28] <oerheks> mccanless, maybe the guys in #ubuntu-studio can help you out ?
[02:28] <mccanless> Will try, thanks
[02:28] <Fretegi> so when you install nvidia-375, there is a switch that gets added to switch between the intel and nvidia graphics chips, is that the primus software?
[02:29] <Fretegi> what specific software is creating that switch?
[03:05] <crazyhorse18> any idea what to use to transfer files from an iphone to ubuntu?
[03:05] <crazyhorse18> something that works over the local network / wifi would be nice
[03:07] <Fretegi> could do dropbox
[03:07] <crazyhorse18> need something that works locally.. i was thinking it creates a webserver on the phone that you connect too
[03:07] <crazyhorse18> dropbox won't work locally :/
[03:07] <Valen> samsung used to have kies that'd do it
[03:08] <Valen> I think though that android doesn't like apps looking at other apps files these days
[03:10] <Fretegi> well there are also apps you can buy to access network shares
[03:10] <Fretegi> like filebrowser
[03:10] <Fretegi> in the apple istore
[03:12] <Fretegi> this may be helpful, didnt dig through all the bits
[03:12] <Fretegi> https://itunes.apple.com/app/instashare-transfer-files/id576220851?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
[03:25] <Bustin> Hey there, new installation of Ubuntu, installed JDK, but I can't see the "Open with Java Runtime Environment" for my jars, upon right-clicking. Upon typing "java -version", it stats jdk 1.8 is installed, I've updated alternatives, but I can't see java being installed in the list of installed applications (like when you apt-get install openjdk-jre)
[03:25] <Bustin> how can I fix this
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:16] <aariz> H
[05:31] <elricsfate_livec> Hello all
[05:32] <elricsfate_livec> Has anyone seen an issue in Dual Disk, Dual boot scenarios where the Linux partition will not appear in the UEFI menu or bios?
[05:32] <elricsfate_livec> Windows 10 on one Disk, Linux on the other
[05:34] <rofltech> elricsfate_livec: no, but i have freebsd not windows on the other disk...and ubuntu tends to be a pain in the fucking ass and keep changing my boot order more than BSD does.
[05:35] <rofltech> (really irritating)...you can probably just set that disk to boot first and then it should load grub .
[05:36] <elricsfate_livec> Tried that, no dice
[05:36] <elricsfate_livec> and the bootlader doesn't show up
[05:36] <rofltech> hmm.  OK do you have a usb stick or something?
[05:37] <rofltech> might have to reinstall grub
[05:42] <elricsfate_livec> rofltech: Yes
[05:42] <elricsfate_livec> I'm on it now
[05:42] <elricsfate_livec> About to reboot
[05:42] <elricsfate_livec> just tried boot-repair
[06:01] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[06:02] <CountryfiedLinux> I got a weird error when trying to install a snappy package from Software.
[06:02] <CountryfiedLinux> gdbus.error.org/freedesktop.dbus.error.noreply
[06:02] <CountryfiedLinux> Any suggestions?
[06:08] <fishcooker> when $ pgrep thunderbird it will output a pid but when i do $ ps -pns the thunderbird pid will have many child processes ... how to nice/ionice the all the running thunderbird process... yes its hammering my cpu/memory resource ?
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> CountryfiedLinux: wich snap?
[06:15] <CountryfiedLinux> lotuspsychje, Actually I kinda fixed it. I can install from the terminal, just not from Store. And any snap fails in the same way when trying to install from Store.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> CountryfiedLinux: ubuntu version and snap name?
[06:16] <CountryfiedLinux> 17.10 beta and Chromium, Simplescreenrecorder, and Shotcut.
[06:18] <ducasse> CountryfiedLinux: then ask in #ubuntu+1
[06:18] <CountryfiedLinux> ducasse, I did.
[06:19] <ducasse> CountryfiedLinux: ...and wait for an answer there. it's not supported in here.
[06:20] <CountryfiedLinux> Anyone here that's also in #ubuntu+1?
[06:23] <ducasse> several people.
[07:05] <neure> this sucks
[07:06] <neure> sshfs gives me truncated files
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> neure: plz use polite language, perhaps start with the whole story, details,ubuntu version?
[07:16] <neure> lotuspsychje, sorry.
[07:16] <ducasse> neure: is this the machine that you built your own sshfs on?
[07:16] <neure> ducasse, yes
[07:16] <neure> ducasse, i built the latest libfuse and sshfs
[07:16] <neure> ducasse, no modifications
[07:17] <ducasse> neure: we can't support a package you built
[07:17] <neure> ducasse, i know, too bad the stock sshfs keeps crashing
[07:18] <neure> im just a bit upset, i would have expected that something like sshfs is so much used that it should be pretty well tested
[07:19] <neure> makes me sad that I have to choose between crashing or bad files
[07:19] <neure> i suppose i have to go with crashes
[07:20] <neure> hmm, I will try -o writeback_cache=no
[07:51] <neure> I can confirm that with sshfs 3.2.0 and fuse 3.1.1, writeback_cache is not reliably and should be disabled with -o writeback_cache=no
[07:52] <neure> after this, sshfs works for me
[07:52] <neure> reliable
[07:54] <brainwash> neure: please file a bug report
[07:55] <neure> github issue to sshfs?
[07:55] <neure> or something else?
[07:55] <brainwash> github
[07:55] <neure> there already is github issue about corruption
[07:55] <brainwash> for version 3.2?
[07:55] <neure> i will comment there that I also encounter this issue in my environment
[07:56] <neure> i think so
[07:56] <brainwash> ah ok
[07:56] <neure> currently resetting github pw...
[07:57] <neure> https://github.com/libfuse/sshfs/issues/88
[08:01] <DevAntoine> hi
[08:02] <DevAntoine> I've got an issue with NetworkManager: if I set a DNS server by hand using the GUI of NM it doesn't work. /etc/resolv.conf isn't updated, I think it comes from there. But, /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original does contain the right nameserver. I have to manually edit /etc/resolv.conf to set the correct DNS server.
[08:09] <ilker> DevAntoine, you can do it by using GUI also, why did you need editing resolv.conf?
[08:09] <brainwash> is there no comment in your /etc/resolv.conf about the file being managed by resolvconf?
[08:09] <DevAntoine> ilker: did you read the entire sentence?
[08:09] <DevAntoine> brainwash: nop
[08:09] <brainwash> is resolvconf installed?
[08:10] <DevAntoine> $ which resolvconf => /sbin/resolvconf
[08:12] <brainwash> the man page says that your "original" file is only a backup file
[08:12] <ilker> DevAntoine, yep, I did, I was having a similar problem actually, NM was adding a default dns instead of specified ones
[08:12] <ilker> but yep I guess your problem is different
[08:13] <DevAntoine> brainwash: /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[08:14] <brainwash> right
[08:15] <brainwash> and what information does the auto generated /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf contain?
[08:33] <DevAntoine> brainwash: http://pastebin.centos.org/241056/
[08:41] <oskie> hello, if I need to make modifications to /usr/lib/systemd/system/XXX.service - should I do it in some other file?
[08:51] <oskie> gotcha
[08:53] <s10gopal> hi , plz help me i want to use m7601 usb wifi , but it is not working
[08:54] <s10gopal> anyone online ?
[08:55] <s10gopal> anyone online ?
[08:55] <s10gopal> anyone online ?
[08:56] <s10gopal> anyone online ?
[08:56] <maziar> why ubuntu 16.04 has not "/var/log/message" ?
[08:59] <brunch> maziar, /var/log/message? What's normally in there?
[08:59] <s10gopal> usb wifi not working mt7610 ,
[08:59] <brunch> s10gopal, that's not nearly enough information for anyone to walk you through
[08:59] <hateball> s10gopal: run "lsusb" to find out what chipset it uses first
[09:00] <maziar> brunch I think everything related to OS and applications
[09:01] <brunch> maziar, perhaps /var/log/syslog ?
[09:01] <theos> hi
[09:01] <egelor> hi there its morning here. so good morning
[09:01] <brunch> good morning, theos
[09:01] <s10gopal> it is mt7601
[09:03] <theos> sup brunch
[09:03] <s10gopal> when i install driver it gives me error http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526382/
[09:04] <ducasse> s10gopal: which ubuntu is this?
[09:04] <hateball> s10gopal: looking at that... the driver is from 2013? unlikely to compile against a modern kernel
[09:04] <s10gopal> 17.4
[09:04] <s10gopal> how to do it ?
[09:05] <hateball> Google says kernel 4.2+ already has support for it
[09:05] <ducasse> s10gopal: then why are you on kernel 4.2.0-16?
[09:05] <theos> is there a way to put a sticky note on your desktop? like a post-it note which you can also edit by clicking on it. and its saved to a file somewhere
[09:05] <dna6a> Hi guys, I used WINSCP to copy a file from an ubuntu VPS and reinstalled the VPS, and then I moved the folder back using WINSCP into root of VPS but when I SSH and type ls, the folders arent showing
[09:05] <dna6a> Im logged in as root
[09:06] <dna6a> folder not file*
[09:06] <brunch> theos: I can think of notes.txt in your desktop :þ
[09:07] <s10gopal> it show available wifi hotspots , but i cant connect to them
[09:07] <s10gopal> it says connecting ................. adn then disconnect
[09:07] <hateball> theos: what DE are you using? KDE Plasma for instance has such plasmoids/applets, maybe Unity/GNOME does as well
[09:07] <ducasse> theos: try xpad
[09:08] <theos> hateball lxde
[09:08] <s10gopal> it show available wifi hotspots , but i cant connect to them , when i click connect it says connecting connecting and then disconnect
[09:09] <theos> ducasse i have tomboy notes. but i want something that merges with the desktop wallpaper. no border. transparent background etc.
[09:10] <dna6a> I used WINSCP to move the folder from root of VPS to windows then back to VPS root, but in SSH when I type ls, the folders are showing.    .folder should be showing in ls command yeah??
[09:10]  * theos thinks conky might have such a theme...
[09:11] <s10gopal> ducasse : it show available wifi hotspots , but i cant connect to them , when i click connect it says connecting connecting and then disconnect
[09:13] <tomeaton17> I am trying to setup SSH-agent but it doesn't seem to be working
[09:13] <s10gopal> it show available wifi hotspots , but i cant connect to them , when i click connect it says connecting connecting and then disconnect
[09:13] <tomeaton17> I am use Plasma DE
[09:15] <s10gopal> restarting system , installed fresh copy
[09:17] <hateball> s10gopal: if you are on 17.04 you should have kernel 4.10
[09:25] <dna6a> how do I see hidden files using ls always instead of ls -a?
[09:27] <vlt> dna6a: Have a look at the aliases (like l, ll, ...) defined in ~/.bashrc
[09:28] <dna6a> ta
[09:30] <venzen> tomeaton17: does "ps -aux" show that ssh-agent is running for your user?
[09:35] <dna6a> when I run sudo ufw status verbose, it returns  9990                       ALLOW IN    Anywhere. but when I use a portchecking website, it says the port isnt open?
[09:35] <multifractal> I very stupidly formatted my Win7 partition from inside Ubuntu recently. Now that I have backed up everything valuable on the Ubuntu partition, I intend to reinstall Windows in the now-blank partition that Win7 used to be on. If I do this, will Ubuntu become inoperable, because of the bootloader? Can the Ubuntu installation be "repaired" after re-installing Win7, or should I assume I'll need to install Ubuntu fresh too?
[09:36] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but can't connect to them . Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter
[09:37] <Ben64> multifractal: yes, yes, up to you
[09:37] <Ben64> !fixgrub | multifractal
[09:37] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but can't connect to them . Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter
[09:40] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but can't connect to them . Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter , please help me
[09:40] <ducasse> multifractal: if uefi, certain firmwares has a built-in boot manager that will let you boot any os with an uefi firmware entry, so in that case you can still boot ubuntu directly even after installing windows
[09:40] <ducasse> !patience | s10gopal
[09:42] <multifractal> ducasse: This laptop is in Legacy BIOS mode with MBR. So looks like I'll have to use this "Boot Repair" tool, but it looks quite simple.
[09:44] <ducasse> multifractal: i wouldn't use boot repair, i would use a live image, chroot into the install and run update-grub.
[09:44] <ducasse> multifractal: but up to you :)
[09:45] <multifractal> ducasse: I just looked up chroot - does this mean you move from the root of the filesystem of the live USB to the root of the filesystem of the Ubuntu installation on the hard drive?
[09:46] <s10gopal> !
[09:46] <ducasse> multifractal: yes, you let the root of your ubuntu install temporarily become your new root filesystem in that shell
[09:47] <dna6a> is my port open coorectly if verbose returns 9990                       ALLOW IN    Anywhere
[09:55] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but can't connect to them . Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter , please help me
[09:59] <ducasse> s10gopal: please answer the questions you are asked and the suggestions people make if you want help
[10:00] <s10gopal> ok
[10:00] <s10gopal> please help me
[10:00] <ducasse> s10gopal: so again, why are you using kernel 4.2.0-16?
[10:00] <s10gopal> idk
[10:01] <s10gopal> i just
[10:01] <s10gopal> reinstalled fresh ubuntu 17.04
[10:01] <s10gopal>  and i am using original setting and kernel
[10:01] <ducasse> s10gopal: 17.04 uses 4.10, 4.2 is from wily
[10:02] <s10gopal> i am on 4.10 now
[10:02] <s10gopal> 4.10.0-19-generic
[10:03] <ducasse> s10gopal: pastebin the output of 'dpkg  --list linux-image*'
[10:04] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526586/
[10:05] <ducasse> s10gopal: you need to include the * at the end
[10:06] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526606/
[10:07] <ducasse> s10gopal: pastebin the output of 'dpkg  --list linux-headers*'
[10:07] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526682/
[10:10] <ducasse> s10gopal: something is very strange here, that driver clearly tries to build against headers from 4.2 - where are those from? anyway, you should have a newer kernel than you have, do 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[10:11] <s10gopal> shoud i try again
[10:12] <s10gopal> done sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[10:12] <s10gopal> i am on latest
[10:13] <s10gopal> that logs was from old ubuntu , should i try to install driver again ? i can see available networks but cant connect to them
[10:13] <ducasse> s10gopal: pastebin the full output
[10:13] <s10gopal> ok let me extract driver again
[10:13] <ducasse> no
[10:13] <ducasse> of 'sudo apt update'
[10:13] <s10gopal> did
[10:14] <ducasse> you didn't pastebin the output, no
[10:14] <s10gopal> fetching
[10:14] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526797/
[10:15] <ducasse> that says 3 packages can be upgraded
[10:16] <s10gopal> ok i am running sudo apt upgrade
[10:16] <s10gopal> ok i am running sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:16] <ducasse> no, sudo apt full-upgrade
[10:17] <s10gopal> downloading
[10:18] <ducasse> then reboot after that and see if that helps. if not, try another mirror - your kernel is way behind. i have to go, wait for somebody else if you still have problems.
[10:18] <s10gopal> sir , i neinstalled ubuntu again , that logs was from my old ubuntu
[10:19] <auser_> hey guys, if i have some movie with several files, what should i add to such line to make it create the medainfo of the biggest file in some directory I'm in
[10:19] <s10gopal> i have installed a fresh copy now, deleted ebery thing
[10:19] <auser_>  mediainfo --Output=...y ??  > /home/auser/mediainfo.txt
[10:19] <auser_> how to make it find the biggest stream file in terms of size
[10:22] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but can't connect to them . Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter , please help me
[10:28] <auser_> anyone ?
[10:29] <s10gopal> i can see available wifi networks but cant connect to them , please help me
[10:29] <hateball> s10gopal: if you try connecting to a network, then run "dmesg" in a terminal and check if there is any interesting output
[10:30] <venzen> s10gopal: are you also in #lubuntu by any chance? there is a discussion going on about a similar Totolink device as yours...
[10:30] <s10gopal> NO
[10:31] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526845/
[10:31] <auser_> can someone tell me how to choose the biggest file in some directory and add it to a command ?
[10:31] <venzen> s10gopal: join #lubuntu, and post your question there
[10:31] <vlt> auser_: `ls -S` sorts files by filesize. Maybe you want to go from there ;-)
[10:31] <auser_> yeah, I'm able to sort them by size, but idk how to put it in a command.
[10:32] <vlt> auser_: Then there's `| head -1`, for example, and this: $(some_command)
[10:32] <auser_> du -hsx * | sort -rh | head -1  this shows me the biggest files in some directory
[10:33] <auser_> so i should do it as mediainfo --Output=...y | head -1 ?
[10:33] <vlt> auser_: Use $()
[10:33] <auser_> I'm supposed to write mediainfo --Output=...y the file i want
[10:34] <auser_> okay so same line i wrote but enclode it with what you've said?
[10:34] <vlt> TIAS
[10:34] <Ben64> auser_: you probably want #bash
[10:34] <auser_> $(mediainfo --Output=...y | head -1)
[10:34] <hateball> s10gopal: do you use secureboot on the machine in question?
[10:34] <auser_> this way vlt ?
[10:35] <auser_> Ben64, I don't know anything about bash tbh
[10:35] <Ben64> auser_: right, thats why you should be asking in that channel
[10:35] <Ben64> this is not an ubuntu issue
[10:35] <auser_> I'm trying to get someone who knows linux to help, that's it, but you're right that channel would be my best shot.
[10:36] <auser_> vlt, can you give me the exact command to type?
[10:36] <auser_>  $(mediainfo --Output=...y | head -1) <--- didn't work
[10:36] <Ben64> there is also ##linux
[10:37] <s10gopal> no secure boot
[10:37] <auser_> okay, I shall try there
[10:42] <s10gopal_> i am getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526863/
[10:43] <s10gopal_> back
[10:44] <s10gopal_> i can see available wifi networks but cant connect to them , http://paste.ubuntu.com/25526863/
[11:20] <ppang> ipv6.disable=1
[11:27] <gunix> ppang: he left
[12:05] <KeyboardNotFound> I should copy all my / filesystem data. I will boot a live CD and mount the partition. Which method should I use to keep the files in their original state (including ower information and permissions)?
[12:05] <KeyboardNotFound> I will copy the files to another partition, make some changes to the first and copy them back again.
[12:05] <KeyboardNotFound> But because I'll be in live session I'm scared that the moving process will break the headers.
[12:12] <hateball> KeyboardNotFound: rsync
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:21] <fishcooker> anyone here have this same issue to be worried like this http://vpaste.net/vYjxN when do-release-upgrade ?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> never did an OS upgrade over ssh
[12:26] <hateball> fishcooker: I've done it several times without issue
[12:30] <fishcooker> even with the packages installed running, hateball?
[12:32] <hateball> fishcooker: sure
[12:32] <hateball> you'll get prompted if services need to restart
[12:33] <hateball> and that's also why it tells you a new ssh gets started on 1022, in case you lose connection or so
[12:55] <gebbione> hi folks, i would like to allow some user to be able to restart services (systemctl) and run docker commands
[12:55] <gebbione> what is the best reference for this as last time i broke the sudoers file
[13:20] <sysRPL> hello
[13:21] <sysRPL> i'm in florida currently without a lot of services in florida. i was wondering if someone here could help me configure 2 network interfaces on this pc so i can share internet?
[13:22] <sysRPL> in a nutshell: i am borrowing the neighbors wifi with his permission, and i want to use this ubuntu laptop to give internent access to the rest of my house which is not in range of his wifi
[13:22] <hateball> !ics | sysRPL
[13:22] <sysRPL> okay
[13:23] <sysRPL> buit the problem is when i turn on my ethernet eth0, my machine stops using the wifi for internet traffic
[13:24] <sysRPL> i have to change the subnet?
[13:26] <sysRPL> 1)Check before you start (in Synaptic or with dpkg-query -l dnsmasq*) that dnsmasq-base is installed and that dnsmasq is not installed. Install or uninstall as appropriate (see next section).
[13:27] <sysRPL> this make no sense
[13:27] <sysRPL> wtf
[13:27] <sysRPL> help please
[13:29] <sysRPL> 3) Set encryption to "WEP40..." (Note: You may have to experiment here according to what type of encryption with ad-hoc the device supports. WPA is not supported).
[13:29] <BluesKaj> connecting ethernet on my laptop disables the wifi by default
[13:29] <sysRPL> uhhhhhh
[13:30] <sysRPL> on windows i can have 2 adapters and it figures out which one to use based on what has access to the internet
[13:30] <Toba> okay, but what you're posting makes it sound like you're using both wifi and ethernet as the "client" side
[13:31] <BluesKaj> the router accesses the internet '
[13:31] <Toba> why do you even *want* this machine "using the wifi for internet traffic" if you're on the ethernet, which connects to your router, and thus the internet
[13:31] <Toba> I do not get it.
[13:31] <Toba> Are you using hostapd or something already, to run a wifi network on the wifi card?
[13:33] <sysRPL> no
[13:33] <BluesKaj> or modem rather
[13:33] <Toba> Did you follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing#Wireless_Ad-Hoc_connection_sharing_scenario ?
[13:33] <sysRPL> Toba: pelase read my full comments
[13:33] <Toba> that seems like old doc anyway
[13:33] <Toba> so, what doesn't make sense about installing the package dnsmasq-base?
[13:33] <sysRPL> i am effected by hurrican irma, and only have access to the internet through my neighbors wifi
[13:34] <BluesKaj> !question | sysRPL
[13:34] <sysRPL> i want to share that wifi with the rest of my network
[13:34] <Toba> Are you new to using linux for admin level tasks?
[13:34] <sysRPL> BluesKaj, i already asked the question
[13:34] <sysRPL> Toba, no
[13:34] <Toba> It's pretty simple to check the packages. You can do this. sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions |grep dnsmasq
[13:34] <sysRPL> Toba, but i don't normally configure iptables
[13:34] <Toba> err
[13:35] <Toba> sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions&& apt-show-versions |grep dnsmasq
[13:35] <sysRPL> yes i can see dnsmasq
[13:35] <BluesKaj> guess i don't understand the questioon then
[13:35] <sysRPL> in a nutshell: i am borrowing the neighbors wifi with his permission, and i want to use this ubuntu laptop to give internent access to the rest of my house which is not in range of his wifi
[13:35] <Toba> that is old documentation though, it may not be up to date. it's in the section under 9.10
[13:35] <Toba> okay, it says in the thing you pasted, that you said you don't understand
[13:36] <Toba> that you need dnsmasq-base but NOT dnsmasq itself
[13:36] <sysRPL> but the problem is when i turn on my ethernet eth0, my machine stops using the wifi for internet traffic
[13:36] <sysRPL> how is dnsmasq going to solve this problem?
[13:36] <Toba> post the output of that command to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and show us the link
[13:36] <Toba> I don't know I'm reading the same docs you are
[13:36] <Toba> but you seem quite resistant to reading the docs and listening to me
[13:37] <Toba> I have never done this, but I have wanted to do it before so I am interested in your problem.
[13:37] <Toba> the docs tell you how to do it, I am trying to help you understand the thing you said you don't understand, and hopefully the directions in the docs work.
[13:37] <sysRPL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25527550/
[13:38] <Toba> that's not the command i gave you
[13:38] <Toba> nor the one that was in the docs
[13:38] <sysRPL> it does the same thing
[13:38] <sysRPL> tells you what is installed
[13:38] <Toba> but, i assume 'i' means installed and 'p' means it's available
[13:38] <sysRPL> i means isntgalled, p is a not installed
[13:38] <Toba> so that looks right
[13:39] <Toba> are you trying to do the ad-hoc scenario?
[13:39] <sysRPL> sure, but then that says no WPA
[13:39] <Toba> that's unfortunate that it doesn't support WPA
[13:39] <sysRPL> and i cannot change the wifi access point encryption
[13:40] <Toba> You *are* the access point
[13:40] <sysRPL> i would be good
[13:40] <sysRPL> if i could just get both wifi and eth0 working
[13:40] <sysRPL> buit when i turn on eth0, then the wifi cannot be used
[13:40] <Toba> Oh jeez, I missed that you are trying to share from wifi to wired, not the other way around
[13:40] <Toba> i'm sorry
[13:40] <sysRPL> because if i could get both working, i'd setup dante to make this pc a proxy server
[13:41] <sysRPL> so i need help getting both wifi and wirelss turong on, on the same computer
[13:41] <sysRPL> * turned
[13:42] <Toba> https://askubuntu.com/questions/639100/how-to-get-connection-to-both-wifi-as-well-as-lan-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[13:42] <Toba> Maybe this will help.
[13:42] <sysRPL> ty
[13:42] <Toba> I have to go, gotta get to work. Good luck with this mess and hopefully the internet problems are the biggest issue you have :)
[13:42] <sysRPL> already read that and it didn't help :(
[13:42] <Toba> Dang.
[13:43] <sysRPL> also that answer is old. network manager doesn't have the same options
[13:46] <multifractal> My laptop is currently hanging on shutdown - Package temperature above threshold cpu clock throttled.
[13:46] <multifractal> Is there any way to force the shutdown?
[13:47] <SwedeMike> multifractal: do you still have terminal so you can type commands?
[13:47] <SwedeMike> multifractal: if you do, "poweroff -f"
[13:48] <SwedeMike> multifractal: do you know what it's hanging on? the temp one is probably not it.
[13:48] <multifractal> SwedeMike: I tried ctrl+shift+F1 and that prompted me for a login, but then the keyboard didn't respond. Then I did ctrl+shift+F2 and I just have a black screen and blinking cursor.
[13:49] <SwedeMike> multifractal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key   you can try that one and see if you can force a sync and then reboot
[13:49] <SwedeMike> also try to unmount the filesystems
[13:50] <fishcooker> is there any option to use default options on every confirmation during do-release-upgrade, hateball?
[13:52] <glitsj16> sysRPL: Are you using nm-connection-editor? We can walk through it if you want to achieve what https://askubuntu.com/questions/639100/how-to-get-connection-to-both-wifi-as-well-as-lan-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts mentions..
[13:53] <sysRPL> hold on
[13:53] <sysRPL> i changed the subnet on my wired
[13:54] <glitsj16> what do you have in the 'General' tab for your wired connection?
[13:56] <sysRPL> hello?
[13:56] <sysRPL> can you still read me?
[13:56] <glitsj16> If "Automatically connect to this network when available" is ticked, try unticking that and proceed to the IPv4 tab
[13:56] <glitsj16> yes
[13:56] <sysRPL> well i lost internet on my browser when i enabled wired again
[13:57] <sysRPL> glitsj16, i already went through that document
[13:57] <glitsj16> sysRPL: that's what we're trying to avoid right?
[13:57] <sysRPL> glitsj16, right
[13:58] <sysRPL> okay
[13:58] <sysRPL> so ....
[13:59] <sysRPL> if i unckec automatically connect, then i cannot get an ip address for my wired network
[14:01] <glitsj16> sysRPL: okay, what method is active for wired IPv4?
[14:02] <sysRPL> uhhh
[14:02] <glitsj16> there's a drop-down list in the GUI mentioning 'Shared to other computers', have you tried that yet? Same in the IPv6 tab
[14:02] <BluesKaj> sysRPL, is this what you mean? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[14:02] <sysRPL> manual right now
[14:03] <sysRPL> and i edited /etc/netowkr/interfqaces
[14:03] <sysRPL> and i am unable to access the internet, though this hexchat seems uneffected
[14:04] <sysRPL> so again
[14:05] <sysRPL> as soon as i get an ipadress from my wired connection, every program stops trying to access the internet through my wifi
[14:08] <sysRPL> the whole "Use this connection only for reasources on its network" is not an option anymore
[14:09] <BluesKaj> sysRPL, did you check the url I posted, seems you need to have the ethernet connected first then the wifi sharing "hotspot"
[14:10] <sysRPL> uuhhh
[14:11] <sysRPL> BluesKaj, that turns off my wifi access
[14:11] <sysRPL> no an option
[14:11] <sysRPL> my internet right now is through the wifi. if i make this pc a hotspot, i lose that internet
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ok, nvm
[14:15] <sysRPL> this is a problem with ubuntu
[14:15] <sysRPL> every thing i read is outdated
[14:18] <sysRPL> well this sucks
[14:18] <sysRPL> i think i'll have to boot into windows and use that instead
[14:19] <leftyfb> sysRPL: what version of ubuntu?
[14:19] <leftyfb> sysRPL: on 16.04 that option is still available
[14:20] <sysRPL> i'm on 16.04
[14:20] <leftyfb> that option is still available
[14:21] <leftyfb> IPv4 Settings -> Routes
[14:22] <maja> any one know why the voices or any trebile comes out of my headphones as if it was farted by a mouse ?
[14:23] <maja> base sounds ok but trebble mouse farts all the way :(
[14:23] <leftyfb> maja: volume down? Checked alsamixer? Bad headphones? Bad headphone jack?
[14:23] <maja> alsamixa don't doo trebble/base
[14:24] <maja> brand new headphones and laptop
[14:25] <sysRPL> okay this is good!
[14:26] <maja> i'll switch em out
[14:30] <BluesKaj> maja,  install libsound2-plugin-equal
[14:32] <maziar> my ens160 does not have IP addr, and because it is not at /etc/networking/interfaces (because of keepalived configuration ) how can I make it always up and running without IP addr ?
[14:33] <leftyfb> maziar: huh?
[14:34] <maziar> leftyfb I don't have ens160 on my interfaces file, but I wanted to make it up even after restarting, I can do it with ifconfig ens160 up, but I want this NIC to be always up
[14:34] <leftyfb> maziar: then give it an ip
[14:35] <maziar> leftyfb this NIC is reserved for float IP ! , I 'm not able to give it manual IP ADDr
[14:36] <leftyfb> maziar: then your mechanism for your "float ip" should manage the interface for this purpose
[14:38] <ceryus> can anyone recommend a good ssh server for windows?
[14:39] <leftyfb> ceryus: nope, try #windows or #microsoft
[14:39] <ceryus> ok thanks
[14:41] <oh4> I keep losing local DNS lookup on my ubuntu workstation. When looking at 'systemd-resolved.service', I notice it finds a conflict with my hostname and then it switches to just external DNS. No other system on the network has this hostname...however, this workstation did have the same hostname when I was running a different flavor of linux previously
[14:41] <oh4> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GW0y20Z6/
[14:41] <oh4> any idea how I can fix this?
[14:41] <oh4> perhaps flush arp on my firewall?
[14:42] <oerheks> oh4, set your hostname right?
[14:42] <oh4> yep
[14:43] <oerheks> * to whatever your dns wants to find
[14:43] <leftyfb> oh4: do you have multiple network connections on your workstation?
[14:44] <oh4> I do...wlan and lan
[14:44] <oh4> wlan is disabled, though
[14:48] <oh4> ok, this is interesting...from the info I pasted above, I'm getting both IPv6 and IPv4...let me check if the AP has IPv6 enabled...that could be the issue...getting two addresses for the same interface
[14:50] <oh4> well, that wouldn't be it...wifi is disabled so no IPv6 coming from AP...but firewall router doesn't have ipv6 enabled
[14:50] <Lord-Kamina> Hello
[14:50] <egelor> hi
[14:50] <Lord-Kamina> I'm trying to liveboot a packard bell laptop with an intel hd5500; however I cannot get past the boot menu.
[14:51] <Lord-Kamina> I'm getting the black screen issue, both normally and with nomodeset.
[14:51] <oh4> @oerheks and @leftyfb just needed to disable ipv6 on my LAN interface in ubuntu (facepalm)...thanks, though
[14:51] <Lord-Kamina> Any ideas of things that might be able to fix it?
[14:52] <Lord-Kamina> usb was created via unetbootin on a mac, in case that's relevant.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> unetbootin isn't the most relaible Live-media ceator
[14:54] <BluesKaj> reliable even
[14:54] <egelor> Lord-Kamina: i had the same problem on a Compat and was a discompatibillity with the monitor ventor
[14:54] <Lord-Kamina> As in, EDID issues?
[14:54] <Lord-Kamina> BluesKaj, I know. Just to rule it out I'm currently copying the iso itself over to the usb so I can try some other method on windows.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> actually Lord-Kamina Rufus  has a better track record then unetbootin
[14:55] <BluesKaj> than
[14:56] <blacknred0> Rufus is great
[14:56] <Lord-Kamina> I was thinking of defaulting to rufus actually.
[14:56] <Lord-Kamina> But since I cannot run that on mac, I tried unetbootin firs.t
[14:56] <blacknred0> i hope somebody makes it cross platforms :/
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Lord-Kamina, does mac do dd ?
[14:56] <Lord-Kamina> Yeah, I used to create bootable media via that method also, way back when.
[14:57] <Lord-Kamina> That will be my last option. :P
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Lord-Kamina, https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-create-disk-image-on-mac-os-x-with-dd-command/
[14:57] <blacknred0> Lord-Kamina: i've got some luck with etcher
[14:58] <blacknred0> it works well with bios, but not uefi
[15:05] <GPenguin> hello *buntu nation
[15:06] <GPenguin> could somebody help me maintaining my firewalls? i cant find a way to list for existing rules like in iptables -L
[15:07] <ikonia> what firewall software is it ?
[15:07] <GPenguin> oh, sorry. i forgot ... i use ufw
[15:08] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[15:10] <Lord-Kamina> Anyway...
[15:10] <GPenguin> i set outgoing to allow and incoming to deny. and then i set a rule for ssh but that one i forgot. so i cant alter or remove it
[15:10] <Lord-Kamina> In case rufus or eventually dd didn't work either.
[15:11] <Lord-Kamina> Is there any way to correct the problem on the ISO/live-usb itself?
[15:11] <GPenguin> and that link does not provide an answer, sorry
[15:11] <Lord-Kamina> i.e. without having to install it?
[15:11] <ikonia> GPenguin: what does it not show you how to do
[15:12] <GPenguin> it shows how to set certain rules, how to delete but not how to list
[15:12] <ikonia> it shows it in status
[15:12] <GPenguin> thats not true, i did "ufw status verbose" half a dozen times now
[15:13] <ikonia> thats what the doc shows, what is status giving you
[15:14] <pavlos> GPenguin: ufw delete allow ssh will delete this rule but you may be locked out of the remote server
[15:14] <oerheks> use sudo > 'sudo ufw status verbose'
[15:16] <GPenguin> yep. thats exactly what happened. and then i confused 2 terminal windows. sorry ikonia, you are right
[15:16] <ikonia> no problem
[15:16] <ikonia> as long as you have the info, thats great
[15:17] <GPenguin> :)
[15:19] <Lord-Kamina> Trying to boot it in bios mode now
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Lord-Kamina, one common mistake when creating bootable images on usb is forgetting to unmount the target device befoe writing the image to it.
[15:20] <zzarr> hello!
[15:20] <zzarr> I have installed Ubuntu on a Chuwi Hi10
[15:21] <zarzar> hi should i switch to bash for bin sh? should i expect any side effects, gotchas/
[15:21] <Lord-Kamina> In BIOS mode it gives an ACPI error
[15:21] <Lord-Kamina> "device creation failed: -16"
[15:21] <ikonia> zarzar: why do you want to change
[15:21] <zzarr> I managed to get the graphics up and running but I have not gotten the WiFI working yet
[15:21] <ikonia> are you having problems with the current dash link ?
[15:22] <zarzar> ikonia: Bad fd number error when using linux tools in eclipse like callgrpah
[15:22] <zzarr> the problem is not a missing driver for the WiFi card
[15:22] <ikonia> zarzar: why do you think that is anything to do with dash over bash ?
[15:22] <zzarr> it's that I need a driver for the ACPI
[15:22] <ikonia> what does a wifi card have to do with the default shell ?
[15:23] <zarzar> ikonia: the internets said it was dash problem to use bash insteasd
[15:23] <ikonia> I'm not sure I understan
[15:23] <ikonia> understand what you're asking
[15:24] <zarzar> ikonia: https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/t/1067737/
[15:25] <Lord-Kamina> It seems like this is just not compatible with this laptop
[15:26] <zarzar> ikonia: the root error is the bad fd number, seemed to be related to dash/bash switch in ubunutu maybe
[15:26] <Lord-Kamina> Tried BIOS mode with nomodeset and if I also disable acpi it gives a cpu error
[15:26] <BluesKaj> legacy mode, disble quick and secure boot ,
[15:26] <oerheks> zzarr, there is a github to build the driver https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs but you might experience issues still...
[15:26] <BluesKaj> disable
[15:27] <Lord-Kamina> BluesKaj, it is in legacy mode.
[15:27] <Lord-Kamina> Cannot disable securemode though
[15:27] <oerheks> zzarr, known issues with that brand :-(
[15:29] <Lord-Kamina> (i.e. the BIOS literally does not let me scroll down to that item, even though it shows it and is not grayed out)
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Lord-Kamina, I have to ask is usb boot eabled and first drive in theboot sequence
[15:29] <Lord-Kamina> Yes. BluesKaj the issue is after I choose "Try without installing"
[15:30] <Lord-Kamina> So evidently it is booting to the usb.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> oh ok, my mistake Lord-Kamina
[15:31] <Lord-Kamina> Wait, I realized why I couldn't disable secure mode though
[15:31] <Menzador> I mean if you don't want to boot from the USB stick, you just boot without the USB stick in the drive.
[15:31] <Lord-Kamina> It doesn't allow changing it unless you set a bios password first
[15:31] <Menzador> Lord-Kamina: BitLocker?
[15:31] <Lord-Kamina> *facepalm
[15:31] <Menzador> AHHHH
[15:32] <Menzador> So go ahead and assign a password, disable Secure Boot, and try again.
[15:32] <oerheks> Lord-Kamina, ah good find! this solves it for other users too, i will make a note
[15:33] <BluesKaj> never heard that one before tho
[15:34] <Lord-Kamina> BluesKaj, I've seen all sorts of dumb shit from laptop OEMs so honestly not THAT surprised.
[15:34] <Lord-Kamina> (And also why I thought to try it)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Lord-Kamina, I'm not surprised, just new to me :-)
[15:35] <Menzador> OEMs must be gluttons for end-user punish
[15:35] <Menzador> *punishment
[15:35] <Lord-Kamina> I went with nomodeset acpi=off and noapic and I'm not getting the errors but I don't think it's booting either XD
[15:35] <Menzador> Lord-Kamina: I'd also get rid of "quiet splash" so you can see debugging output
[15:35] <oerheks> UEFI without password is logically useless
[15:35] <Lord-Kamina> Just the titillating "_" on a black screen that was a sign of dread for so many of us way back when
[15:36] <Lord-Kamina> I once had to call HP support so they could give me a master unlock key because they sell their laptops with the bios completely locked.
[15:36] <Lord-Kamina> Like, you go in and if you're lucky it lets you change the time.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Lord-Kamina, don't try too many changes at once before trying to boot
[15:37] <Lord-Kamina> I tried nomodeset first and got the acpi error. then acpi=off and got the microcode error
[15:38] <zzarr> thanks oerheks
[15:41] <zzarr> the name of the card is BCM4356 it should be supported
[15:42] <zzarr> but I can't find it via lspci
[15:42] <zzarr> I think it has to do with apci
[15:48] <oerheks> zzarr, oke, maybe this page is any help https://askubuntu.com/questions/739676/broadcom-bcm4356-driver
[15:49] <zzarr> I tried that I got no error messages, but no network ether
[15:56] <sysRPL> good news!
[15:56] <sysRPL> i got everythign working
[15:56] <oerheks> zzarr, can you pastebin the output of: lspci -knn | grep Net -A2
[15:56] <sysRPL> i'm using danted on this pc as a socks proxy server
[15:57] <sysRPL> and i configured all my other pcs to go through this pc
[15:57] <sysRPL> ty all
[15:57] <sysRPL> !
[15:57] <oerheks> sysRPL, have fun!
[15:58] <zzarr> okey
[16:00] <zzarr> there was no output at all
[16:01] <zzarr> should I change i2c to pci instead of acpi in bios?
[16:04] <oerheks> zzarr, some posts suggest that too, indeed
[16:05] <sylario> stupid question, I am not used to install manually, what am I supposed to do with a file named : DotEditor-0.3.1-linux
[16:05] <zzarr> I will change that and see what happens
[16:05] <sylario> It is an installer from here : https://vincenthee.github.io/DotEditor/
[16:06] <sylario> they seem to imply a binary finishing by -linux is common
[16:07] <nacc> sylario: what does `file <path>` say it is?
[16:08] <sylario> @nacc DotEditor-0.3.1-linux: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=13632aadc5bd1335c37d327e788ed08fb0c927bc, not stripped
[16:09] <nacc> sylario: well, if you trust them, you can chmod +x and run it, then
[16:10] <nacc> sylario: it's quite literally a binary
[16:10] <Lord-Kamina> How long was I gone?
[16:11] <Lord-Kamina> Somebody had unplugged the router for IRC hadn't appeared to notice.
[16:12] <sylario> nacc: chmod +x DotEditor-0.3.1-linux
[16:12] <sylario> DotEditot-0.3.1-linux
[16:12] <sylario> zsh: command not found: DotEditot-0.3.1-linux
[16:13] <oerheks> sylario, "Again, the binary file needed the graphviz installed on the same machine, " ....
[16:13] <nacc> sylario: that's not how you run executables in the current directory
[16:13] <sylario> I have installed graphviz
[16:13] <nacc> sylario: ./DotEditor-0.3.1-linux
[16:13] <nacc> sylario: also, you have a typo
[16:13] <nacc> sylario: (Editot vs. Editor, use <tab>)
[16:14] <sylario> ok, i got the typo autocompletion did not recognized it without the ./
[16:14] <sylario> It seems I have python dependancies issues :/
[16:14] <oerheks> you need the DotEditor.py from github too ???
[16:14] <sylario> I don't know
[16:15] <sylario> I was just trying to find something to use graphviz
[16:16] <nacc> sylario: right, becuase '.' is not in PATH generally
[16:17] <sylario> Does anyone know a graphviz tool that use a repository?
[16:20] <nacc> sylario: your question doesn't make sense to me. Not sure why it's an Ubuntu support topic?
[16:21] <sylario> Thanks for your help nacc  and oerheks, I just realized i did not launched a single lonely binary since years and years
[17:23] <john84> i'm having some trouble with encodings... when i move a file with â character to my nas it gets all messed up with wierd characters... but if i go into my nas webgui and set the name there it shows correctly on all my machines .. nas, ubuntu, windows
[17:23] <john84> any idea what it might be?
[17:53] <TimApple> Is there a Ubuntu group on telegram?
[17:59] <skypce> hi all
[17:59] <skypce> can you help me with this please
[17:59] <skypce> v
[17:59] <skypce> https://pastebin.com/NYRtsu62
[18:03] <BernhardPosselt> any tablets for surfing/netflix that run linux?
[18:04] <BernhardPosselt> my kid regularely pulls out keys from our laptop
[18:04] <nicomachus> BernhardPosselt: try asking in ##linux
[18:04] <BernhardPosselt> isnt that just kernel?
[18:05] <ducasse> no
[18:05] <nicomachus> no it's all-purpose linux discussion. This channel is only Ubuntu support. no hardware recs.
[18:05] <BernhardPosselt> i see, ty
[18:05] <nicomachus> any CLI apps for checking fan speed? I'm finding a bunch of fan *control* programs, but none to just view the speed.
[18:07] <ducasse> not off the top of my head.. i would have thought the data was available under /sys somewhere?
[18:07] <nacc> sensors or whatevers hould output it (if it's reported over i2c)
[18:09] <oerheks> if lm-sensors is installed, 'sensors' will show fanspeed
[18:09] <oerheks> sensors | grep fan
[18:09] <nicomachus> nacc: sensors only shows CPU and GPU
[18:09] <nicomachus> :/
[18:10] <nicomachus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25529092/
[18:14] <Linkandzelda> whats the best way to ensure services (mysql, nginx, memcache etc) can be monitored and kept up automatically?
[18:15] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: systemd and/or monit
[18:15] <elricsfate> Hello all
[18:16] <elricsfate> Has anyone gotten a Dual Disk, Dual Boot, setup working with Windows 10 and encryption on the Windows Partition
[18:16] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: how can it be done with systemd? i do "sudo systemctl restart mysql" when it goes down
[18:17] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html
[18:17] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: specifically Restart= and RestartSec=
[18:18] <Linkandzelda> i see
[18:18] <Linkandzelda> and what if i manually stop it?
[18:20] <oerheks> elricsfate, encryption on windows takes whole disk, so no go AFAIK
[18:21] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: then it stops. Why would you ever manually stop it when you want it to start back up as opposed to just using restart?
[18:21] <oerheks> * bitlocker, that is
[18:21] <elricsfate> oerheks Not talking abotu Windows encrypted
[18:21] <elricsfate> Windows isn't encrypted
[18:21] <elricsfate> Linux is
[18:21] <elricsfate> with LUKS
[18:22] <elricsfate> The issue is I got everything installed on another drive but I get no option to boot into Linux from the UEFI menu or BIOS
[18:22] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: if i wanted to stop it, to say move the mysql data dir, then i wouldnt want it to restart until i asked it to
[18:22] <leftyfb> right
[18:22] <leftyfb> so you're good
[18:23] <ioria> Linkandzelda, the systemd built-in restart feature should be only on failure not by explicit 'stop', afaik
[18:23] <leftyfb> correct
[18:23] <oerheks> elricsfate, oh oke, your Q was not clear on that, encryption and uefi .. maybe someone else has experience with that.
[18:23] <Linkandzelda> sounds good then, thanks
[18:23] <elricsfate> I think the bigger issue is that it's simply not appearing in the UEFI menu
[18:23] <elricsfate> Which I think may be unrelated to the encryption
[18:29] <ducasse> elricsfate: which image did you use to install?
[18:29] <elricsfate> standard image
[18:30] <elricsfate> I made sure to burn it in UEFI only mode with RUFUS
[18:30] <elricsfate> BRB, going tor eboot and try this guide for Ubuntu derivatives
[18:30] <elricsfate> https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2061
[18:31] <elricsfate> I know for a fact this guide works but it's for a single drive
[18:31] <elricsfate> I wanted to have a UEFI partition on two drives
[18:32] <ducasse> elricsfate: do you mean one partition for each or for both?
[18:32] <elricsfate> To clarify: I have two drives. On one drive is windows, on another drive I want Linux
[18:32] <elricsfate> I'd like each drive to be completely segragated
[18:32] <elricsfate> That guide explains how to do a traditional single drive dual boot
[18:33] <ikonia> so apply logic
[18:33] <ikonia> just put the partitions on different drives
[18:34] <elricsfate> ikonia: Man I hate to be smart here
[18:34] <elricsfate> but don't you think I've already tried that?
[18:34] <ikonia> no
[18:34] <elricsfate> The issue with that is it wants you to share an EFI partition on a single drive
[18:34] <elricsfate> I want to have an EFI partition on each drive
[18:34] <ikonia> yes, because thats how it works
[18:35] <ikonia> you can't do that
[18:35] <ikonia> not without some form of chainloader for efi
[18:35] <ducasse> yes, you can
[18:35] <ikonia> oh, go on
[18:35] <elricsfate> I just had this conversaion with someone. There is no limit on ESP/EFI partitions set by the specification ikonia
[18:35] <vithiri> Is there a dedicated channel for 17.10 discussions?
[18:35] <ikonia> there isn't a limit
[18:35] <nacc> vithiri: #ubuntu+1
[18:35] <elricsfate> I had another guy tell me I had to unplug drives to get this working, which is completely false
[18:36] <vithiri> nacc, that's awesome. Thanks. :)
[18:36] <ioria> elricsfate, used the 'Automatic' partitioning scheme ?
[18:36] <ikonia> elricsfate: that is false
[18:36] <elricsfate> ducasse: Do you have experience getting this workign?
[18:36] <ikonia> ducasse: I'm all ears on how you can use multi-efi partition setup without some form of chainloading
[18:36] <elricsfate> ioria: Yes
[18:37] <elricsfate> ioria: I used the other drive and used automatic partioning with encryption
[18:37] <ioria> elricsfate, maybe you need the 'Something else option'
[18:37] <ioria> elricsfate, https://askubuntu.com/questions/726972/dual-boot-windows-10-and-linux-ubuntu-on-separate-hard-drives
[18:37] <ikonia> ioria: he wants seperate EFI partitions without chainloading them
[18:37] <ioria> ikonia, ah
[18:38] <oerheks> *if* that is possible, one needs to manually change boot device to load the 2nd OS
[18:38] <elricsfate> let me give this a go
[18:38] <elricsfate> I'll be back
[18:39] <ikonia> give what a go ?
[18:39] <elricsfate> The guide that was shared
[18:39] <elricsfate> or the one I shared earlier
[18:39] <ikonia> which one
[18:39] <ikonia> as the one ioria shared doesn't have seperate EFI as you said you required
[18:40] <ducasse> you can have one efi variable pointing to each os's bootloader (which are on separate disks), and use the uefi boot manager to control which to boot
[18:40] <elricsfate> It does appear to indicate that ikonia
[18:40] <elricsfate> Check section G
[18:40] <ioria> ikonia, yeah, the guy created a second efi partition
[18:40] <elricsfate> ducasse: At this point, I'd be satisfied with that
[18:41] <elricsfate> One thing worth noting is I checked the EFImanager -v and it appears to have a listing for Ubuntu
[18:41] <elricsfate> It still doesn't show up in the EFI bootloader though
[18:43] <ikonia> elricsfate: depends on the setup you have why that will be happening
[18:47] <elricsfate> anything worth taking a look at?
[18:48] <elricsfate> I'll give manual partioning a go
[18:48] <elricsfate> it's possible the automatic installer isn't smart enough to handle this sort of configuration
[18:48] <elricsfate> THanks guys
[18:48] <blacknred0> is this a truly defrag of ntfs -> http://smallbusiness.chron.com/defragment-ntfs-linux-54807.html ?
[18:50] <ikonia> I don't trust it
[18:51] <blacknred0> ikonia: you don't trust that it defrags?
[18:51] <ikonia> I don't trust defragging ntfs on linux at all
[18:52] <blacknred0> ah, got you
[18:52] <ikonia> the fact that the guide says "sudo su" makes me think it's written by someone with not a good understanding
[18:52] <ikonia> fsck is not a defrag either
[18:52] <ikonia> and he's checking a file system not a device
[18:53] <ikonia> so I think it's safe to say that guide is not very good
[18:53] <blacknred0> yep
[18:53] <blacknred0> ok... thanks mate
[18:53] <Bustin> Hello, newer user to Ubuntu, have installed the latest 17.04, and up-to-date. I installed the latest jdk manually, but when I try to right click and open a jar file, there is no option to select java runtime environment. I know when installing automatically via terminal, you get the option to. How would I go about adding java runtime environment to the list of installed applications, and alsoto the right click context menu, for easy 
[18:56] <leftyfb> Bustin: tried rebooting?
[18:56] <Bustin> leftyfb: yes I have.
[18:56] <Bustin> leftyfb: I can "java -jar file.jar" and it will launch, but it is not ideal. "java -version" also confirms java is installed.
[19:00] <blacknred0> Bustin: is what you want an icon that will invoke "java -jar file.jar" when you double click on it?
[19:00] <blacknred0> Bustin: maybe this -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/615776/how-to-create-desktop-shortcut-to-bash-program-running-java#615793
[19:01] <Bustin> blacknred0: basically, I want the ability to right click on any jar file / application, and have the ability to launch via java runtime environment. If you install automatically via "sudo apt-get install openjdk8-jre" it also installs the abilities to either double click a jar and it launching with JRE, instead of the default archive application.
[19:02] <Bustin> currently, double clicking prompts to extract the jar. I want it to default launch with the JRE, OR, have the ability to right click on ANY jar, and launch with the JRE via the context menu
[19:08] <Bustin> blacknred0: I mean, that is an easy "fix" but it would only be good for a single application. Usually, installing java through terminal with packages provided by Ubuntu, it also adds the ability to right click any jar file via the context menu and launch it, or double click it and launch it (any jar application).
[19:09] <elricsfate_live> Hey guys
[19:09] <elricsfate_live> Mind relinking me to that thing you shared earlier?
[19:09] <elricsfate_live> Was less than 5-10 minutes ago
[19:09] <elricsfate_live> Also is it possible that refind would help me?
[19:09] <elricsfate_live> http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
[19:09] <elricsfate_live> It sounds like ti was made explicitly for this task
[19:10] <oerheks> elricsfate_live, refind? are you on a mac?
[19:10] <elricsfate_live> No
[19:10] <elricsfate_live> Windows 10 and Linux
[19:10] <elricsfate_live> Though it sounds like refind is useful in scenarios where you are dual booting on any EFI system
[19:10] <elricsfate_live> https://askubuntu.com/questions/676949/dual-boot-with-windows-10-on-separate-hard-drives
[19:11] <leftyfb> it is (refind)
[19:11] <oerheks> elricsfate_live, no need for refind, you just want 2 uefi partitions
[19:11] <leftyfb> I worked with the developer for a few years
[19:12] <elricsfate_live> correct oerheks
[19:12] <elricsfate_live> Mind linking me to something that can help?
[19:12] <elricsfate_live> Someone linked me earlier but I'm not in my live env and don't have the link
 elricsfate, https://askubuntu.com/questions/726972/dual-boot-windows-10-and-linux-ubuntu-on-separate-hard-drives
[19:13] <oerheks> but you claimed ubuntu is in the uefi partition...
[19:14] <elricsfate_live> There are TWO UEFI partitions oerheks
[19:14] <elricsfate_live> Or that's what I'd like to do at least
[19:15] <elricsfate_live> oerheks: Two drives, UEFI parts on each
[19:15] <elricsfate_live> Want to have them entirely segregated
[19:15] <oerheks> i think you have more use with this page, https://askubuntu.com/questions/729673/ubuntu-full-disk-encryption-with-encrypted-boot
[19:18] <elricsfate_live> Thanks
[19:19] <elricsfate_live> I may just install refind for shits and giggles since it appears to have superior features to my motherboards UEFI implementation
[19:20] <oerheks> i am not sure it is going to work, seperate UEFI partitions..
[19:20] <elricsfate_live> The standard supports it and I imagine that REFIND will help allow that
[19:20] <Repox> Hey guys. I have a novice question; if I have a folder which contains a symlink to another folder, would doing a `rm -rf folder-that-contains-symlink/` also recursively delete contents in the folder the symlink points to?
[19:20] <elricsfate_live> I.E I can install that in the ESP part for windows
[19:20] <elricsfate_live> Then use it to handle passoffs to whatever else
[19:54] <rh10> guys, how do you handle your personal backups?
[19:55] <elricsfate> is there a IRC channel for refind
[19:55] <oerheks> rh10, polling could give 1031 different answers
[19:56] <ducasse> !alis | elricsfate
[19:56] <oerheks> elricsfate, as you seems to use mint, use the mint channel?
[19:57] <rh10> oerheks, well. why not? probably i can find some useful technique?
[19:57] <elricsfate> I've tried
[19:57] <elricsfate> They are completely unknowledgable on the subject :/
[19:57] <oerheks> !backup
[19:58] <oerheks> elricsfate, there you go, use the read ubuntu then
[19:58] <oerheks> mint has its own issues
[19:58] <elricsfate> rh10: For one off backups, I'd suggest a simple dd
[19:58] <elricsfate> Keep a recovery USB on hand and your abckup drive
[19:58] <elricsfate> any issue is a dd away to fix
[19:59] <rh10> oerheks, tnanks for links
[19:59] <rh10> elricsfate, got it
[20:01] <ducasse> rh10: do you want something with a gui or cli? remote or local?
[20:02] <rh10> ducasse, now im asking for 2 local workstation backup. one my station, and another places in same network. cli preferred i think
[20:03] <ducasse> rh10: rsync/rsnapshot are popular, very widely used
[20:04] <rh10> ducasse, got it, thanks
[20:07] <rh10> guys, i'm reading about rsnapshot "It is written entirely in perl with no module dependencies, and has been tested with versions 5.004 through 5.16.3. It should work on any reasonably modern UNIX compatible OS."
[20:07] <rh10> question, how widely perl are using nowadays in ubuntu?
[20:07] <rh10> for example, can i list packages in system, who depends of it?
[20:08] <oerheks> it works fine on ubuntu..
[20:09] <oerheks> !info perl
[20:09] <oerheks> you might have hit old info ..
[20:11] <rh10> oerheks, works, i know it without any doubts. just interesting how widely perl is using today?
[20:11] <oerheks> how to tell, i don't know how widely
[20:12] <ducasse> there are over 4500 packages in 17.04 that depends on perl
[20:13] <ikonia> thats a scary number in 2017
[20:15] <glitsj16> rh10: "apt-cache rdepends perl" will give you that info
[20:15] <rh10> glitsj16, tnanks!
[20:16] <rh10> thanks for your support guys :)
[20:17] <rh10> my system show me - 4892 packages
[20:17] <rh10> some of them marked | on left side. what is it? who knows?
[20:18] <rh10> like |amavisd-new or |libconfig-inifiles-perl
[20:18] <brainwash> most of those packages are perl modules
[20:18] <glitsj16> might be more indicative if you don't count other perl packages
[20:20] <rh10> glitsj16, sound like shell trick :) i used - apt-cache rdepends perl | wc -l, best way to exclude some packages..
[20:24] <transhuman> hi! I have 2 hard drives 1 1TB , new drive 1/2 TB want to use dd rescue (lots of free space on original) is there a way to use ddrescue for this operation?
[20:24] <transhuman> I dont want to use parted/gparted on original, its a delicate situation as it is
[20:25] <ikonia> not sure I'm clear what you're asking
[20:25] <ikonia> are you expecting to use the smaller drive to make a rescue image of the 1TB drive ?
[20:25] <transhuman> yes, lots of free space on original drive (1TB)
[20:25] <transhuman> inside data partition
[20:26] <oerheks> parted/gparted is not reliable and dd is ??
[20:26] <ikonia> am I missing sometihng here ?
[20:26] <transhuman> ddrescue doesn't touch original
[20:26] <TJ-> transhuman: do you trust the original file-system meta-data and superblock to be free of corruption?
[20:26] <ikonia> it has to
[20:26] <ikonia> it has to read it
[20:26] <ikonia> at a block level
[20:26] <transhuman> no I dont trust it in fact I am sure there is corruption
[20:27] <ikonia> then how would dd help
[20:27] <TJ-> transhuman: then there's no way to reliably determine the 'free space' blocks
[20:27] <transhuman> ddrescue not dd
[20:27] <transhuman> thats not what I want to hear TJ, but what I suspected
[20:27] <nacc> transhuman: logically, you want to recover data from a bad disk without reading it?
[20:28] <TJ-> transhuman: if the entire drive is split into partitions, AND you trust the partition table, you could restrict ddrescue to the sector ranges of each partition. If you DONT trust the partition table you'll have to write to a drive of the same size
[20:28] <transhuman> ok perhaps since my larger partition is ok, I can just copy that partition? forget about the system parition? just be a lot of reinstalls, but that would be better than total loss
[20:30] <transhuman> can i direct ddrescue on to a single partition?
[20:30] <transhuman> ddrescue to rescue a single partition?
[20:31] <TJ-> transhuman: if you believe the unused space on the SOURCE is zeroed, you could use the "--sparse" option to conserve actual used space in the TARGET
[20:31] <transhuman> forget it, i will just do a two step copy process, too risky, have to wait till another hard drive becomes available I will just rsync the good partition when space is available
[20:32] <transhuman> take me 2 weeks to recover the system partition with all the installs, but ah well
[20:33] <TJ-> transhuman: this is where a RAID1 setup saves the day
[20:33] <transhuman> I know, believe me I KNOW, I tell other people that all the time, cobblers kids shoes...so to speak
[20:35] <transhuman> thanks guys
[21:27] <expectedjoy> anyone else having an issue with flashplayer plugin getting broken and not wanting to install on updates..ive ran broken install in terminal several times recently to fix it
[21:33] <brainwash> expectedjoy: can you share the error message?
[21:33] <kenrin> I just updated mine to 27.0.0.130ubuntu0.16.04.1 with no issues
[21:37] <demophobia> why does win 7 pro run hotter on a dell d620 (9 yr old) than lubuntu 16.04? e.g. running the fan harder when only a web browser open
[21:39] <kenrin> When you run a bloated system like windows it will naturally use more resources thus get hotter
[21:41] <brainwash> !ot
[21:41] <andrej> Which package/script populates /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs, and how/when is that triggered?
[21:46] <andrej> The reason I'm asking is that running an apt-autoremove seems to set the reboot-required even though it's not necessary at all. Let's say I have a server that was updated 2 weeks ago and rebooted because it received a new kernel
[21:46] <andrej> When I run 'apt autoremove' a week later (the most recent kernel is active!) and it removes an older kernel it still sets the flag. I'd like it NOT to do that
[21:47] <nacc> andrej: so the pkg in there is the old kernenl package?
[21:47] <andrej> because we monitor for reboot required, but I'd like to avoid rebooting machine willy nilly
[21:48] <andrej> nacc - the package in where?
[21:48] <nacc> andrej: in /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs
[21:48] <andrej> There's no mention of a kernel package in /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs, it just states linux-base
[21:49] <demophobia> does lubuntu 16.04 have good emulation for win xp software?
[21:49] <brainwash> andrej: bug 1458204
[21:49] <demophobia> is WINE the go-to for this, and is it now great for xp stuff?
[21:49] <oerheks> demophobia, wine is, but you need support from their channel, we don't
[21:49] <oerheks> !wine
[21:50] <oerheks> wine/playonlinux
[21:50] <andrej> I found a way to (what I believe to be) safely generate a list that reliably tells me whether a reboot is required .... but I don't want some automated process to overwrite MY list
[21:50] <andrej> thanks brainwash , I'll look at that in a sec
[21:54] <andrej> right
[21:56] <andrej> so - while it's nice to know that we're being bit by yet another known bug <BEG> I still would like to know which mechanisms can trigger the creation of /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs and /var/run/reboot-required so I can make sure I can safely replace them by a home-made solution
[21:59] <oerheks>  the file '/var/run/reboot-required.pkgs' lists the packages that requested the reboot. if you write such package, add it to that list?
[22:00] <oerheks> why re-inventing the wheel  ..
[22:01] <andrej> oerheks - I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.  I don't want to write my own packages; I want to make sure that that the list of packages actually reflects the NEED for a reboot
[22:01] <brainwash> andrej: doesn't a comment in that report explain why/how the file is created?
[22:01] <oerheks> yes, that list does.
[22:01] <andrej> IMHO the only valid reasons for a reboot are kernel or libc update (and even that need could be mitigated).
[22:02] <andrej> brainwash : I didn't read all the comments - can revisit them now
[22:02] <oerheks> There are more packages and services that needs reboot, check that list?
[22:02] <brainwash> I've only quickly skipped through them
[22:02] <andrej> oerheks - no, it doesn't.  Removing an old kernel that wasn't active on the system does NOT warrant another reboot
[22:03] <andrej> and it only states linux-base
[22:03] <brainwash> that's what the bug report is about
[22:03] <oerheks> removing an old kernel does not need reboot.
[22:03] <brainwash> oerheks.. please pay attention
[22:03] <andrej> exactly my point oerheks - yet running 'apt autoremove' sets the reboot required flag
[22:04] <oerheks> andrej, but you told earlier that ea newer kernel was not active, that is your culprit
[22:04] <oerheks> i assume it is not fully installed, or you have chosen the older kernel
[22:04] <brainwash> andrej: if the report does not contain any hint for a manual solution, I suggest heading over to #ubuntu-kernel
[22:05] <lucas-arg> any one know why ubuntu 17.10 is using firefox 50?
[22:05] <oerheks> lucas-arg, firefox is not in security updates, as there are no security updates in the beta
[22:05] <tgm4883> !ubuntu+1 | lucas-arg
[22:05] <oerheks> join #ubuntu+1 for support for 17.10
[22:07] <andrej> read again oerheks - I most definitely didn't say that
[22:07] <brainwash> lucas-arg: 55 is available via -proposed
[22:07] <brainwash> lucas-arg: bug 1715030
[22:08] <andrej> brainwash - it mentions /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required being touched by postinst scripts; it doesn't suggest that that's the only way it gets triggered.
[22:09] <andrej> I guess I could run my own thing using cron.hourly :D and brute force a sane state
[22:10] <brainwash> andrej: can you please read all comments?
[22:12] <lucas-arg> thanks brainwash
[22:14] <oerheks> oh you are right, you didn't.  but "it still sets the flag" , maybe you had an update that does require reboot, how to tell ..
[22:15] <oerheks> not because of autoremove, anyway
[22:15] <andrej> oerheks - a valid ad-hoc method is "find /var/lib/dpkg/info -mtime -7 -name \*postinst -exec grep 'reboot-required' {} \+"
[22:16] <andrej> If you ran patches once a week, that is. Otherwise you'd obviously play with the mtime
[22:16] <andrej> brainwash - will do. Cheers
[22:23] <andrej> brainwash - so there's a few other things that touch it; I still don't see that as a final list of possible interference.
[22:25] <andrej> Never mind, though; I think I've come up w/ a solution. I'll modify our prometheus check to run what I posted above (with some jiggery pokery about the timing) instead of simply checking for the presence of those files (and/or their content).
[22:42] <xrandr> evenin
[22:45] <akik> ikonia: #cloud-init said that the ubuntu sudo configuration that they create is back from the time ubuntu created their first cloud images
[22:47] <jackhum> hello , i just tried install komorebi https://github.com/iabem97/komorebi , on my 16.04 , it was good , but then i removed it , but now i cant right click or see my desktop icons and background
[22:47] <jackhum> can anyone help me to fix this
[22:47] <jackhum> also , many people seem to face this problem https://github.com/iabem97/komorebi/issues/13
[22:47] <jackhum>  can anyone tell me what may have gone wrong , and how to fix
[22:51] <cjs226> i'm trying to debug an issue where `systemctl status $prefix[TAB][TAB]` returns more services than `systemctl list-unit-files | grep $prefix` on ubuntu 16.04.  the additional services don't have corresponding unit files nor symlinks to unit files.
[22:59] <demophobia> What is the preferred order of operations for lubuntu problem solving? is it 1) ubuntu website 2) stackexchange 3) askubuntu 4) IRC?
[23:00] <demophobia> e.g. couldn't get windows partition to mount
[23:00] <xrandr> demophobia: is the partition encrypted?
[23:00] <xrandr> also make sure you have the ntfs filesystem type installed and enabled so you can mount it
[23:01] <peyam> Hi, I unsinatalled gcc-5 and now when I want to reinstall it followings appear : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25530623/
[23:02] <demophobia> xrandr, was using liveUSB lubuntu 16.04; does that have the ntfs stuff(?) enabled like you say? trying to recover data from corrupted win OS
[23:02] <nacc> cjs226: i'm not sure why that's surprisinng? systemctl status will report every unit, while list-uint-files ... well, lists unit *files*
[23:02] <nacc> cjs226: not ann issue at all, afaict
[23:02] <xrandr> demophobia: I don't think so. It's kinda barebones
[23:03] <xrandr> boot into the live desktop, then download and install the ntfs packages
[23:03] <demophobia> xrandr, i don't know if it was encrypted, but instead of only 1 C drive (which apparently was some 400 GB) it instead showed several fragments, as if there were multiple drives 114 GB apiece
[23:03] <cjs226> @nacc: thx for responding.  i'm new to systemd and assumed one couldn't have a unit without first having a unit file
[23:03] <nacc> cjs226: a unit-file can contain multiple units
[23:03] <nacc> cjs226: and also, there are things in status like the mounts, etc.
[23:03] <xrandr> demophobia: if it is encrypted, well, good luck on that
[23:04] <nacc> demophobia: why don't you pastebin the output
[23:04] <demophobia> xrandr, part of my problem was that instead of having /dev/sda# clearly listed, it seemed to be /dev/sdb or other odd things, like i think /dev/zram was one listing
[23:04] <nacc> demophobia: of what you tried and what failed?
[23:04] <cjs226> nacc: mind blown with multiple units from a unit file.  do you mean with the use of "instance names"?
[23:05] <demophobia> Thanks: I will have to come back when I have the attempt before me. (It was yesterday.) My main question here just now was actually about order of operations, i.e. what to do before asking here
[23:05] <xrandr> demophobia: if the drive is too corrupt, you may not be able to mount it
[23:05] <demophobia> xrandr, i had wondered about that: the system crashed in windows while copying data to USB, for example
[23:06] <demophobia> xrandr, sorry, that's not a good thing to say -- what i mean is, the computer itself lists the drive saying 'FAILED' in red whil ebooting before loading the OS
[23:06] <xrandr> demophobia: Well, did you have any malware on the system? Something that was chomping on your system files? Also, what kind of data were you transferring?
[23:06] <demophobia> so it seems the drive itself is failing
[23:06] <xrandr> demophobia: if the drive is failing, you may not be able to mount it depending on how badly it is damaged
[23:06] <demophobia> xrandr, battery dead, runs hot (not my computer) seems a student let it run too hot and fried something
[23:07] <nacc> cjs226: i guess i might have been wrong about the multiple units from unit files, but keep in mind that some systemd stuff is generated (not from a file)
[23:07] <xrandr> demophobia: yeesh, that's no bueno. Might be more trouble than it's worth trying to resurrect it
[23:07] <xrandr> even if you could reinstall windows, or install another OS, you still need to deal with the condition of the drive
[23:08] <demophobia> yeah, i intend to ask a supervisor before proceeding; the stored data may not be necessary at this point
[23:08] <Bashing-om> peyam: What is the status of libgegl-0.3-0 ' apt policy libgegl-0.3-0 ' ?
[23:09] <xrandr> demophobia: good luck! I hope it turns out well
[23:09] <demophobia> what does this mean? "[67.991752] ata1: reset failed, giving up" and before that, "[67.991667] ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)"
[23:09] <demophobia> it listed four numbers with this COMRESET failed -16 error, before that final 'giving up', and then that laptop (sony vaio) successfully booted into lubuntu 16.04 from that liveUSB
[23:10] <cjs226> nacc: the services in question for me are ones that i'm somehow creating.  i'm trying to figure out how as i'm creating unit and environment files then enabling the services.  when doing so i see corresponding symlinks in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants for the ones i intended.  but i have no clue where these extra ones' config/state is stored
[23:10] <xrandr> demophobia: how old is this laptop/computer? ATA drives are the old IDE drives
[23:10] <demophobia> xrandr, university registration sticker underneath says 2011
[23:10] <xrandr> yep, IDE drive
[23:10] <xrandr> poor things
[23:11] <demophobia> ?
[23:11] <nacc> cjs226: hard for me to follow, can you use a pastebin annd show what you added and what you are seeing that is confusing?
[23:11] <demophobia> whats' wrong with ide drive? what is ide?
[23:12] <xrandr> demophobia: nothing is wrong with it, it's just old.
[23:12] <xrandr> and they are more prone to failure compared to SATA or SSD
[23:13] <demophobia> found my question without answer at https://superuser.com/questions/1182609/what-is-the-meaning-of-comreset-failed too
[23:14] <cjs226> nacc: i just blew away the instance.  give me a bit and, assuming the problem reoccurs, i'll do so.  thx again for your continued help!
[23:14] <xrandr> demophobia: best guess.. COMRESET refers to communication with the drive. Resetting it may be the kernel's way of attempting to get it to talk
[23:28] <polyneux> Okay so here's a question; when my internet was down this week I was able to sudo in to my server box with a LAN-connected machine. I think it has something to do with my hostname which has my .org in it... could those things be related?
[23:30] <xrandr> polyneux: most likely your router has its own dns server
[23:30] <xrandr> so it knows the host names of your computers on your LAN
[23:31] <eelstrebor> for those of you having trouble with the amdgpu, this solved my problem: https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries
[23:32] <eelstrebor> should be put into a FAQ so that others don't waste a bunch of time like i did looking for a solution
[23:33] <xrandr> eelstrebor: maybe write one and submit it to the ubuntu web masters
[23:33] <polyneux> xrandr: I believe thats correct, when I look at the device list it shows the hostname. But for some reason when the outside connection was down I could not connect to samba shares and could not sudo. It would take a long time to respond and then give an unable to resolve error I can't remember atm.
[23:33]  * xrandr offers CodeMouse92__ some more pretzels
[23:34] <xrandr> polyneux: did you change your DNS settings locally on your Ubuntu box?
[23:35] <polyneux> xrandr: I don't believe so.
[23:35] <xrandr> maybe check that
[23:35] <xrandr> try pinging the other internal server as well
[23:36] <polyneux> xrandr: Fyi It was "unable to resolve host"
[23:37] <xrandr> polyneux: the other computer is a windows box? is it running Windows Server with AD?
[23:37] <polyneux> Everything works fine when the cable is on. I guess I need to unplug it again to test further.
[23:37] <polyneux> xrandr: The other computer was just a windows 10 desktop (pro) box, also tried on a laptop and some other via putty
[23:38] <beterraba> guys, i
[23:38] <xrandr> polyneux: not sure then.
[23:38] <beterraba> guys, i'm trying to execute a script, but it stops saying that: Your Ubuntu release must be at least 12.04 to proceed'
[23:39] <beterraba> however, my release is 16.04
[23:39] <nacc> beterraba: what release are you on??
[23:39] <nacc> beterraba: ah
[23:39] <nacc> beterraba: sounds like a buggy script
[23:39] <beterraba> >.<
[23:39]  * xrandr hands beterraba some bug spray
[23:40] <polyneux> I've confirmed that the resolv goes to router and that the router reads machine as the correct hostname
[23:41] <beterraba> hahah thanks xrandr
[23:41] <polyneux> Could it be having the ".org" in the hostname?
[23:41] <xrandr> polyneux: it could be
[23:41] <xrandr> Any reason why you did that?
[23:42]  * eelstrebor was going to contribute to the ubuntu wiki but i'm fed up with having to register with so many sites!!
[23:42] <xrandr> polyneux: if you need to have a domain suffix in your host name, try .lan
[23:42] <xrandr> instead of a public tld
[23:42] <polyneux> xrandr: That was 5 years ago me and I guess I haven't had an internet outage since between then and now apparently.
[23:43] <xrandr> polyneux: that's a pretty reliable internet connection then
[23:43] <polyneux> I use the machine to host a simple webpage and some files and Plex etc... so it may have been connected to that functionality in some way. I suppose I could always take it off and try :D
[23:43] <polyneux> I suppose I mean an outage that lasted long enough for me to notice/care...or maybe it didn't have the problem before
[23:44] <polyneux> Gonna lose the suffix, pull the cord, see if it works.
[23:44] <xrandr> polyneux: if any of your internal computers are running a DNS server, it should override the DNS server on your router
[23:44] <xrandr> *sigh*
[23:45] <cjs226> nacc: https://pastebin.com/hvyhg8BV shows my problem with systemd
[23:48] <dshin> What do you use to edit PDF files? It's important to preserve the original formatting. looking for linux alternative for acrobat pro
[23:48] <the_onceler> I have a question about custom partitioning from the Live CD.
[23:49] <xrandr> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwihx5TsrKPWAhUH6oMKHdioBbYQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1377562&usg=AFQjCNFaz5yeAT9MnakJSNlunDJlUHTgtg
[23:49] <nacc> cjs226: status will show you (via tabcomplete) all defined services
[23:49] <xrandr> dshin: that's for you
[23:49] <the_onceler> It seems I cannot modify the partition table for the drive at /dev/sda, nor can I format it if it was partitioned elsewhere
[23:49] <nacc> cjs226: not jus the ones that are enabled
[23:49] <xrandr> the_onceler: is the drive encrypted?
[23:49] <dshin> xrandr: ive seen that page, didn't find it helpful
[23:49] <cjs226> nacc: if they're defined, shouldn't there be a unit file or a symlink to a unit file?
[23:49] <the_onceler> xrandr, no, I am trying to format a new drive and set up LVM
[23:50] <dshin> xrandr: i looked at all 10 results on the first page of google results
[23:50] <the_onceler> I do see that the Live CD (I am booting from a flash drive) mounts /dev/sda to /cdrom
[23:50] <dshin> xrandr: have you used any of them?
[23:50] <xrandr> dshin: no
[23:50] <the_onceler> but even after umount -l -r -f /cdrom I cannot partition the drive
[23:50] <dshin> xrandr: thanks for trying to help
[23:51] <the_onceler> partitioning yields "Re-reading the partition table failed.: Device or resource busy"
[23:51] <the_onceler> and formatting: "/dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!"
[23:52] <xrandr> the_onceler: you need to unmount the drive, then format it
[23:52] <the_onceler> xrandr: the real HD is not mounted, it doesn't even have a file system.
[23:52] <nacc> cjs226: i thinkn so, but not in the dir you're in
[23:52] <the_onceler> xrandr: but apparently the Live CD mounts /cdrom on /dev/sda for some reason.
[23:53] <the_onceler> xrandr: this prevents me from partitioning and formatting the real /dev/sda.
[23:53] <xrandr> the_onceler: hmm, that's odd. Ya got me then
[23:53] <xrandr> maybe run the live cd from an actual cd
[23:53] <the_onceler> xrandr: unfortunately, I do not have CDs or a burner. Such antiquated tech! ;)
[23:54] <the_onceler> xrandr: OK, failing that, what is the proper way to set up a custom LVM installation?
[23:54] <the_onceler> xrandr: I tried the manual partition option, but it doesn't seem to provide a way to set up LVM drives.
[23:54] <xrandr> the_onceler: kind of an ambiguous question
[23:54] <xrandr> the installer gui should be able to do that for you
[23:54] <the_onceler> xrandr: so that's why I just dropped to a terminal to set things up with fdisk and LVM
[23:54] <xrandr> but if it's mounting your drive as /cdrom, then well i'm stumped
[23:56] <polyneux> So I lost the suffix and it seems to work fine now. Weird I guess one of those weird little things you do that goes unrealized for a long time o_o
[23:56] <polyneux> xrandr ^
[23:56] <xrandr> polyneux: you could always use a non public host suffix like .lan
[23:56] <polyneux> Do I need it?
[23:56] <xrandr> or log into your router to set up the local domains as .lan
[23:56] <xrandr> polyneux: no
[23:58] <polyneux> I'll make a note in case another issue comes up regarding it. Thanks for the help xrandr.
[23:59] <xrandr> polyneux: my pleasure
[23:59] <xrandr> enjpy
[23:59] <xrandr> enjoy*